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Dems push UFOs

In the last few days, Harry Reid, Obama, and the Biden administration have launched an offensive to push UFOs back into the American mainstream. See "The Conventional Wisdom on UFOs is Shifting." The observations are the same old, same old. Military pilot sees mysterious light zipping around. We're stuck in the 1960s with Project Blue Book and the Condon Report. Those aliens just don't quit, do they? I say shoot them down with a Sidewinder already. If Obama believed any of this nonsense, why didn't he do something about it when he was president? It sure sounds like he's having a ball at our expense nowadays.

When Russia hoax was discredited, The New York Times had a staff vote on what story/hoax to push next. The result was the 1619 project. When there is nothing good to point to in terms of economics, crime, or foreign policy, you can always push UFOs.

Why can't we get the good part of the 1960s back, you know, the mini-skirts and the great music? But no, apparently what the Dems miss are the race riots, the gas lines, and the UFOs. PeterKa (talk) 06:05, May 30, 2021 (EDT

They're Chinese surveillance drones and American counter-drones. RobSFree Kyle! 13:34, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
Of course it doesn't take much to convert a surveillance drone with a precision-guided weapon to knock out a web hosting facility, for example and destroy internal communications. You don't have to ban the president from Twitter.. RobSFree Kyle! 13:36, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
RT: Autonomous drones may have ‘hunted down’ and attacked troops in Libya without human control – UN report. RobSFree Kyle! 13:54, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
None of the videos are recent. There is one from 2004 and another from 2007. Here is a good debunking: "Those amazing Navy UFO videos may have down-to-earth explanations, skeptics contend: The truth may be out there ... or right here at home, in the form of camera quirks and other less sexy phenomenon." Money quote: “There’s nothing new here, it’s the same grainy videos we’re used to seeing,” said Michael Shermer, the founding publisher of Skeptic magazine." PeterKa (talk) 20:37, May 30, 2021 (EDT)
Dr. Ross's findings: "In 1969, however, Dr. Ross met two astronomers who were having regular UFO encounters. Both also happened to be involved in occult activity. Upon investigation, Dr. Ross consistently found a connection between occult involvement and residual UFO encounters. For example, he said, countries with a high degree of occult activity such as Russia during the Soviet era, France, and certain parts of Brazil also had high percentages of UFO encounters. During Russia's Soviet period when every expression of religion except occult activity had been outlawed, he said, “Russians were seeing UFOs at five to eight times the rate Americans were." (see: UFO).Conservative (talk) 09:36, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
(a) Why would it be surprising that Russian's spotted drones and other aircraft 5 to 8 times the rate more than Americans, both before the 1959 U-2 incident and after? (b) What are Dr. Ross's sources? Soviet media? RobSFree Kyle! 15:06, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
UFOs began with the 1947 Roswell crash. The simple truth is that, the Roswell crash was a specially fitted weather balloon with a Geiger counter over the Trinity Test Site, the sight of the first nuclear explosion. The govt. never imagined radioactive atmospheric contamination when they performed the test in July 1945, and the public had high confidence in nuclear weapons at the time. So the harmful side effects from testing, such as atmospheric and downwind atmospheric contamination were highly top secret so as not to alarm the public. Hence the UFO myth, promoted by the Air Force, was born. RobSFree Kyle! 09:47, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
If the public were to figure out that nuclear particles lingered in the atmosphere, floated downwind, returned to earth as rainfall, watered the grass that cows eat and was passed to children in cows milk, public pressure would kill further research. It was another 15 years before the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty of 1962 banning atmospheric testing was signed when researchers finally understood the damage atmospheric testing does. In that interim the public swallowed the cover story about UFOs hook, line, and sinker. Since the public and media is so gullible, willingly consuming b.s. and building their own myths on, UFOs were used for cover for all other sorts of military aircraft and drone testing. Psyop is fine art used by all modern powers (even against their own populations), Trump-Russia and the Batstew flu being only two of the most recent. RobSFree Kyle! 09:59, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
You, Conservative, for instance, accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist for suspecting certain troll sockpuppets, yet nonetheless have not corrected your falling for the CCP propaganda about eating bats in certain articles and essays that you picked up from mainstream media. Likewise, Karajou fell for the CCP propaganda in the original coronavirus article, as well. What's the lesson? Even alleged conservatives in 2020-21 are highly gullible when it comes to reading mainstream media. RobSFree Kyle! 10:05, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
Here's one more example: above I cited the fact that all NASA technology was developed for a military purpose, with cover stories now about measuring global warming, etc. Satellite reconnaissance was developed to replace the U-2, after the vulnerability was exposed in the 1959 U-2 incident. All the history books will tell you the U-2 was equipped with photographic equipment; few will you tell you it was also equipped with Geiger counters (like the "Roswell Spaceship") to measure atmospheric contamination which likewise would aid in pinpointing when a nuclear tests occured to aid in understanding how advanced the USSR's nuclear program was. Now, satellite technology was not developed for radio, television, and internet communication. Those are consumer spinoffs. it was developed for one purpose only, a military purpose. Likewise UFOs were never anything more than a cover story, which the govt. can't come clean on now cause it has to protect the institutional reputation of the Air Force and maintain public confidence in it. RobSFree Kyle! 10:27, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
One more afterthought: Then we have the "life on other planets" spinoff, an outgrowth of public misperceptions about UFOs, which aids in justifying more funding for NASA. RobSFree Kyle! 11:03, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
It is still unknown what caused the coronavirus pandemic. The lab theory has increased its plausibility though.
The Chinese had lots of Chinese travel throughout the world, but closed down travel internally. So ultimately, the Chinese bear a lot of blame.
In addition, if some Chinese people's exotic food taste caused the pandemic (wild animals at markets), the Chinese are still to blame because they should have shut the wild animals at markets down after SARS.
So anyway you slice it, the Chinese bear a lot of responsibility for the pandemic. Conservative (talk) 10:38, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
It's a synthetic virus, and a synthetic vaccine. All the old rules guided by our experience with nature are tossed out. RobSFree Kyle! 10:54, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

"All inferences from historical evidence are probabilistic." - David Hackett Fischer, Historians’ Fallacies: Toward a Logic of Historical Thought (New York: Harper Collins, 1970).

I don't need to be a know-it-all. I can live with uncertainty. And I can live without ever knowing what precisely caused the pandemic. Given the secretiveness/untrustworthiness of atheistic, Chinese communists, we will probably never know anytime soon exactly how the pandemic started. Conservative (talk) 11:12, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

We know it came from China. We know it's man-made. 2+2=4. None of this is a revelation in May 2021 (only the veil of censorship was lifted). All of it was available in open source reporting, which I have documented in Conservapedia since March 2020. RobSFree Kyle! 13:37, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
Lynn Cato, senior bibliographer for the library of Congress, created an entry on UFO bibliography for the United States Air Force Office of Scientific Research. After a two-year investigation, in which she reviewed thousands of documents, Cato stated: "A large part of the available UFO literature...deals with subjects like mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities...poltergeist manifestations and 'possession'....Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press recount alleged incidents that are strikingly similar to demonic possession and psychic phenomenon which have long been known to theologians and parapsychologists." (SCP Journal Aug 1977)[1]
I almost feel sorry for atheists/agnostics who have no reasonable explanation for UFOs. Reasonable and informed Christians can easily say UFOs are demonic. This is yet another example of how infinitely superior and sublime the Christian worldview is!
On behalf of all Christendom, I once again declare victory!Conservative (talk) 12:19, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
Now you're going off the deep end with crazy stuff. UFO's originated at Roswell to cover up what was known about atmospheric fallout from a nuclear blast. Period. Period. What more crazy stuff do want to add? MPR should be reserved for News headlines, not essays on irrelevant topics. RobSFree Kyle! 13:45, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
NYT retracted it's UFO story in 1994, only 47 years after it gave birth to it. That is progress. But what use is filling up MPR with Essays and not headlines in 2021 when there certainly is more pressing news, such as the CCP reporting the first case of Bird Flu (coincidentally days after Americans realize we under bio-attack) transmitted to humans. Bird flu only has 100% mortality rate in birds, so there's nothing to worry about, I suppose. RobSFree Kyle! 13:53, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
And wow, that's certainly a credible source, the United States Airforce, the guys who invented the UFO hoax as a cover story for atmospheric monitoring for nuclear particles at a time when the public viewed nuclear bombs in a positive light and the hope to maintain world peace. Yes, it certainly is a credible source for this statement, "mental telepathy, automatic writing and invisible entities...poltergeist manifestations and 'possession'....Many of the UFO reports now being published in the popular press [et seqq]....". Yes, it's a testament to how gullible the "popular press" is for psyops and propaganda. RobSFree Kyle! 15:21, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
You forgot to mention the leaked emails made by Fauci that if anything proved beyond a doubt that he was a charlatan and a fraud. Pokeria1 (talk) 06:28, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
Why are we pushing the MSM anyways? Right above that essay, it says "News the MSM isn't telling you", then the first article or essay cites the LA Times garbage on govt. manufactured conspiracy theories debunked decades ago. I mean, what is the point? CP and its editors rely on MSM to educate themselves? RobSFree Kyle! 14:00, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
Unexplained UFOs that seem extraterrestial have been seen outside of Roswell. For example, Possible UFOs seen swarming US Navy ship.
Demons are in the Bible. The Bible says that the devil can appear to be something he is not. Namely, the Bible says "Satan disguises himself as an angel of light" (2 Corinthians 11:14).
So given the evidence and given what the Bible says, one can reasonably infer that UFOs certainly could be demonic. It is a reasonable inference. Conservative (talk) 15:03, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
Exhibit B: Why are the demons more interested in a Navy ship than the Russians or Soviets? RobSFree Kyle! 15:36, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
There is no such thing as an unexplained UFO. It's a drone, aircraft, or cruise missile test. It could be American or foreign. You watch too much Hollywood and read too much MSM. RobSFree Kyle! 15:08, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - William Shakespeare, Hamlet Conservative (talk) 15:14, June 2, 2021 (EDT)
I saw one fly over the University of New Mexico at a subsonic rate of speed (morethan 500 mph) and very low altitude (500 ft) burning like green phosphorus. The explanation is quite simple: an F-14 fighter pilot doing night training from Kirtland Airbase accidentally fired a dummy bomb over the city. I'm sure he washed out of the program. RobSFree Kyle! 15:21, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

From History.com: Mysterious UFOs Seen by WWII Airman Still Unexplained. They were cigar-shaped, glowed red and could turn on a dime. Which ruled out even the most sophisticated rockets of the time. Conservative (talk) 22:24, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

We’re all alone: Oxford study says chance of intelligent life elsewhere very low
UFOs are not run by little green men - UFOs are demons. Conservative (talk)
I'll be blunt, I'm extremely doubtful a God who created the entire universe would leave literally only a single planet teeming with life. Seems like a waste, especially for a God who ultimately DESIRES ruling over his creation (wouldn't create it if he didn't desire to rule and micromanage it). Pokeria1 (talk) 06:31, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
In the 1890s, observers reported “a flying machine with a cigar-shaped fuselage and four metallic wings.” Cigar-shaped flying object sitings continued until the 1940s. The flying saucer idea can be traced to a letter by Richard Shaver published in Amazing Stories in 1943. Thousands of letters poured into the magazine from readers claiming to have had similar encounters. Imagine how busy interstellar traffic would have to be if even 0.01 percent of these represent authentic alien encounters. The UFO era began with a siting at Mt. Rainer in June 1947 followed by the Roswell incident in July. In the 1890s, observers had blimps and airships on their minds, so they saw cigar-shaped objects everywhere. Or perhaps the aliens upgraded their vehicles at the time of Roswell. PeterKa (talk) 07:26, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
Mt. Rainer overlooks the Hanford Site, established in 1943 to produce weapons-grade plutonium. Again, testing for atmospheric contamination which was moreless unimagined until after the Trinity Test in July 1945. RobSFree Kyle! 12:05, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
From what I understand, the shape of these things changed over time. Like previous to the space program, the UFOs were less spacecraft like. That is another reason to believe they are demonic. Conservative (talk) 09:58, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
A written account from 1890s is moreless hearsay evidence to the historical researcher, based upon idioms of the time. These accounts also pre-date the Wright Bros. first flight in 1906. There was much interest in airflight at the time by hobbyists and inventors (this predates the military-industrial complex, when most inventions and scientific discoveries came from amateurs and tinkerers). It could have been a kite, for all we know. RobSFree Kyle! 12:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Let's take this phrase, for example, "the shape of these things changed over time". No, not all. The written descriptions in pre-1947 published accounts "changes shape". Period. That is all. Scientifically, and historiographically, that is all the evidence you have. The rest is projection, assumption, and wishful thinking. RobSFree Kyle! 12:24, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Now let's analyze the phrase, "turn on a dime", written presumably by a pilot in his flight report: it's a simple statement that the object had more maneuverability than anything he had encountered or was aware of about the maneuverability of aircraft up to that point. Read more published accounts of American B-52 and fighter pilots' first encounters with the manned ME-262. They were flying at 250 mph, but the 262 passed them at 600 mph. These Americas thought they had the best and latest technology. Many of these pilots literally went into shock (meaning they quite specifically loaded their pants in this life and death situation), and/or become highly demoralized. A fewer felt greater motivation to defeat the Nazi regime quickly as the clock was running against the Nazis because it would take years and years to gain access and copy that technology, or develop counter technology against it. RobSFree Kyle! 15:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Pokeria, the conditions for life is extremely rare in the universe and a naturalistic formation of the origin of life is impossible. That is why the atheists have come up with things like the panspermia hypothesis and the multiverse hypothesis (but these two things are very implausible and "Hail Mary passes").Conservative (talk) 10:02, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
Who said anything about a naturalistic formation of the origin of life regarding aliens? I didn't say anything of that nature at all. I just said that it's unlikely God, someone who craves worship above all else, even saving us specifically to ensure he alone is dominant, would just settle for one planet to have life. If anything God would be far above the naturalistic formation of that concept, and thus most certainly CAN create life outside Earth if he so desired. Pokeria1 (talk) 18:33, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
It isn't that God craves worship, it's just that he's not going to take instruction or challenges from rebellious children. He didn't save us so that he could be dominant, he created us to retake the Earth from evil after Lucifer had been cast down to Earth. Salvation restores us to our original purpose. You evidently have been listening to too much Satan propaganda. RobSFree Kyle! 11:37, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Of course God's not going to take instruction and challenges from rebellious children, because if he did take instruction/challenges from rebellious children, that makes him look weak, and if he loses Earth, that also makes him look weak. When you fail to retake the Earth from an evil, you're weak. And he restored us to being his slaves, ultimately. We may call him father, but we are ultimately his slaves in the end. And I fully intend for all of humanity to be enslaved to God and Jesus, per their directives. Besides, it's stuff like Sinners at the Hands of an Angry God, which if anything was God propaganda, not Satan propaganda, that demands it, as does even Jesus in the bible with his command to his disciples to spread the good news and create disciples across the world. Pokeria1 (talk) 14:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)

Pokeria, there is nothing in Scripture indicating that God CRAVES worship. A craving would make Him needy. Also, the Bible says, "For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." It does not use the plural of WORlDS. For a much more expansive biblical discussion on this, see: Did God create life on other planets? and Life on other planets?.Conservative (talk) 18:59, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Technically, if we go by the historical elements of what was going on at the time of the bible, you could also say North and South Americans as well as Australians/Pacificans are inherently unsaved/do not exist because at the time the bible was written, none of those locations were even known, certainly not the Americas (the Vikings and Christopher Columbus's discovery of America occurred well after the New Testament was written, much less Jesus's crucifixion and resurrection), so I wouldn't go about using that as an argument if I were you. Pokeria1 (talk) 14:12, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
@Conservative, as much as you'd like it to be true that UFO's are demons in the same way you wished Batstew flu came from bats, take a step back. Why are you doing the Deep State and the CCP's dirty work in misleading the people about so-called UFOs? Why are you, again, allowing yourself to be manipulated by fake news and MSM? RobSFree Kyle! 11:22, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Here's how MPR and the news publishing business works: until you publish a retraction of your false claim the conronavirus came from eating bats, you have zero credibility on UFOs. RobSFree Kyle! 11:28, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
I will agree UFOs are demonic in the sense that their existence is a lie perpetrated by evil people in government, coupled with our own sinful nature to willingly be deceived. RobSFree Kyle! 11:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
My article Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic offers evidence that the pandemic could have been started by eating habits or via a lab. There is no 100% certainty on how the pandemic started - despite the protestations of know-it-alls who pretend to know.
UFO sightings have a history that predates the CCP. WWII pilots seeing them[2], etc.Conservative (talk) 12:37, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
From a moral perspective, I wish to re-examine Conservative's reporting on the coronavirus and the Batstew flu. He took the handoff from English language reporting from the WaPo and CNN based upon verbatim reports from the genocidal Chinese Communist Party, and ran for a first down. He never once considered the sources here, and opened himself up to charges of racism and xenophobia. [3] Conservative, you got played like a cheap fiddle by the CCP, WaPo, and CNN. You need to fix these errors, cause they cast doubt now on much of your other work. And this UFO b.s. makes it look like you're moving in the wrong direction. RobSFree Kyle! 12:39, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
My article Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic indicates: "One theory that has been postulated is that COVID-19 was developed in a Chinese laboratory in Wuhan, China.[17]".
In addition, unlike some people, I don't cower in a corner and wring my hands every time some tiresome liberal/leftist lodges some bogus claim of me being a racist. User: Conservative fears God and no other! Conservative (talk) 12:52, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
First of all, Conservative, it's not even a theory at this point. Fauci himself flat out admitted in emails dating back to February 2020 that this was EXACTLY what had happened. And I for one also suspected it was from a lab, not a bat market (never trust communists). It was NEVER about being overweight or anything like that, and I even pointed out the death toll in America was overblown (and if anything, us Americans were TOO paranoid based on personal experience). Not to mention that even recently, Singapore, one of those Asian countries you love to praise over America over its handling of COVID, has just locked down yet again due to COVID, implying it WASN'T successful at all. Second of all, RobS, your undoing edits and claiming DHS demands we not do those edits doesn't make you much better than Conservative. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pokeria1 (talk)
Before we get too far off course, let's return to OP of this thread. Now, it has been recently revealed how the 1619 Project was designed in the editorial boardrooms of the New York Times as a pivot away from the failed Russia hoax. Understanding how the news media and publishing business works should be paramount to us. The NYT editors do not sit around waiting for the next random news story to come in and report on. They begin with a theme or agenda, all daily stories are shaped to fit that theme. The 1619 project was to pivot to all race issues, be it BLM, Defund the Police, or Critical Race Theory. Now, this latest round of UFO fiction, as Peter rightly pointed out in the opening paragraph of this thread, states it is a hoax perpetrated by the Dems and foisted on us by lamestream media. How does Conservative react? He takes the bait and runs with it. In June of 2021, after a bio attack and possible another with Bird Flu, we certainly have more important things to discuss and talk about, like inflation, the budget, Dems efforts to Sovietize America, rather than waste another year and half of our lives misleading our readings with CCP & Democrat bullcrap. RobSFree Kyle! 14:56, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Agreed on that front, not to mention another far more important bit we need to cover is how Fauci was publicly exposed via emails to have known COVID-19 was a Chinese bioweapon that leaked outside the lab during February, even knew that masking DOESN'T work at all, yet repeatedly and deliberately lied up until the present day, flip flopped, and put us all under a completely pointless lockdown. Pokeria1 (talk) 15:30, June 4, 2021 (EDT)
Oh there's a way out of this. They're going to blame Trump. You think Biden will ask for Fauci's resignation? The public and media have lost confidence in him. But the junta doesn't care what people think. That's their job, to change how and what people think. RobSFree Kyle! 10:41, June 5, 2021 (EDT)

The first two paragraphs of this article from Consortium News are directly relevent:

The New York Times has published an article on the contents of the hotly anticipated U.S. government report on UFOs, as per usual based on statements of anonymous officials, and as per usual promoting narratives that are convenient for imperialists and war profiteers.
Together with one voice, the anonymous U.S. officials and the “paper of record” — which is supposed to scrutinize U.S. officials — assure us definitively that the mysterious aerial phenomena that have reportedly been witnessed by military personnel are certainly not any kind of secret U.S. technology, but could totally be aliens and could definitely be a sign that the Russians or Chinese have severely lapped America’s lagging military development. [4]

It's time to reflect. What mistakes were made in CP's Coronavirus reporting? Are we on the cusp of making the same errors with UFOs? Simple solution: Look at the sources before paying attention to any of the context.

A caveat: Sometimes questionable information appears from a dubious source that, ironically, you may wish to be true. In such cases remember, it is ultimately your own reputation you are staking in it by repeating the story. RobSFree Kyle! 06:23, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Note: "hotly anticipated". This is a preview of coming attractions of the tripe and drivel MSM will trot out in coming weeks and months. Don't take the bait by giving it legitimacy by talking about it. Shape the discussion and debate. Don't respond to nonsense with nonsense. RobSFree Kyle! 15:01, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Is Biden the new Jimmy Carter?

Inflation, unemployment, and rising crime creates an opportunity for law-and-order Republicans the same way Carter's presidency did. Joe Biden didn't write the ransomware that closed Colonial Pipeline, but his cancelation of the Keystone Pipeline gives Republicans an opening to blame him for whatever gas shortages might occur. He also appointed idiot child AOC as his point woman on this issue. Was Greta Thunberg not available? The party of FDR wanted to put the country back to work. The party of Biden wants everyone unemployed and living off a stimulus check. I don't get the sense that a group of actual adults has thought this policy through.

Biden is ready to go to war with the American people: "Joe Biden: ‘Terrorism from White Supremacy’ the ‘Most Lethal Threat to the Homeland’" No one calls themselves a white supremacist. I take that this phrase is the equivalent being called "counterrevolutionary" by a Marxist. See "Joe Biden is Jimmy Carter, minus the cheese." PeterKa (talk) 01:55, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

Biden's not the decision-maker. Susan Rice is at the helm. The question now is if Anita Dunn will remain in the politburo or depart (disclosure rules mandate that she give up the names of her lobbying clients if she loses her temporary status).
This is Obama's third term. The same people who brought you the IRS scandal, Trump-Russia, the Libyan war, the European Migrant Crisis, ISIS, the Arab Spring, Benghazi massacre, and FISA abuse (not to mention the Clinton email scandal and Uranium One scandal) are all back in charge. RobSFree Kyle! 02:39, June 2, 2021 (EDT)

I don't think President Biden could swing a hammer. Former President Carter reinvented himself by working for Habitat for Humanity, and not just as a spokesperson but actually building houses as well. (That may be why he's managed to survive many of the health scares he has; the outdoor exercise helps him.) Quidam65 (talk) 11:02, June 15, 2021 (EDT)

Blockbuster expose of Fauci

This Tucker Carlson expose belongs on MPR. Thousands of Fauci's emails have recently been declassified. It turns out that the person Fauci emails the most is Bill Gates. If you remember, it was Gates who funded Neil Ferguson's covid projections, which panicked the world into lockdown.[5]

When testifying to Congress, Fauci dismissed the lab leak theory and denied funding gain-of-function research. But the emails show that he knew a lot more about the research in Wuhan than he was letting on. On January 31, Fauci received an email from researcher Kristian Anderson, which said that the virus had “unusual features” that “potentially look engineered”. Fauci responded by forwarding the email to his deputy together with a PDF of Ralph Baric's research with the file name "Baric, Shi et. al. Nature Medicine - SARS gain of function research." So Fauci clearly lied to Congress. This file name leaves him without any wiggle room.

Anderson's paper, published in Nature on March 17, is here. “By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes,” he writes. Say what? Sometime after the email to Fauci and before the publishing deadline for Nature, Anderson was somehow convinced to participate in the coverup.

Baric's research is about genetically engineering a coronavirus and then covering up the evidence of genetic engineering. What civilian application does this skill have? Just the fact that Baric worked with Wuhan's Shi Zhengli should raise eyebrows. In short, not only did Fauci know about the gain-of-function research in Wuhan, his mind immediately made a connection to the covid outbreak.

In Operation Fast and Furious the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican criminals and to create a justification for enacting gun control in the U.S. I think we should call it the Gates-Fauci-Xi-Shi virus. PeterKa (talk) 03:30, June 3, 2021 (EDT)

Ultimately, this isn't going to end well for all those involved (this includes Fauci, Gates, various liberal politicians [including Democrat, Liberal, NDP, Bloc Quebecois/Parti Quebecois, Greens, Labour Party, SNP, etc.] and their willing collaborators in the liberal media and Big Tech, and corrupt unelected public health officials) in pushing what amounts to a scamdemic, as well as pushing the experimental mRNA gene therapy witches' brews they audaciously call "vaccines" but which, as documented in the CCP global pandemic, CCP virus in the United States, CCP virus in Canada, COVID vaccine and related articles, are actually causing more damage than they were purported to help. If anything, what we've heard about so far in relation to deaths and injuries from the "vaccines" is most likely just the tip of the iceberg because even if most of those who got the shots aren't feeling negative effects from them now, that doesn't mean it'll stay that way for them because of the ingredients used in those concoctions. Those who got the shots really need to be concerned about potential long-term side effects from them. Northwest (talk) 03:33, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
Anderson also wrote that after discussions with colleagues, they "all find the genome inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory." So the view that it was genetic engineering was a consensus of a group involved in studying of the problem. A couple of weeks later, the situation had turned around. Did they uncovered new evidence? Or did they realize that China + Fauci + Bill Gates beats evolutionary theory? I think we deserve some answers. PeterKa: (talk) 04:21, June 3, 2021 (EDT)
Prediction: Fauci is headed for the same fate Peter Strzok, James Comey, Andy McCabe, et al endured. After destroying 46 million American jobs, indelibly impacting the lives of a generation of American school children, and running up the national debt another 6 trillion dollars, he'll ultimately land a job as CNN's Senior Health advisor at a higher rate of pay then he ever earned in government, should he in fact ever be driven out of govt.
I think it's time for a class-action lawsuit against Fauci and his empire. RobSFree Kyle! 07:11, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

The Northam Formula is progressing. Fauci is so toxic that book publishers have abruptly decided not to go to print. Afterwards Jill Biden is scheduled for a TV appearance with Fauci. Joe has publicly thanked Fauci. During the breaking news of last week, YouTube put a link to flattering videos of Fauci on their home page.

My Northam Formula goes like this.... Any low-life Democrat in scandal will get verbally assaulted by all sides and demands from all corners that this Democrat needs to be fired or step down immediately. Then we wait and wait and wait. Blackface Northam stays. Compromised by a Chinese spy Swalwell stays. Sexual assault allegations Cuomo stays. Crimes against humanity Fauci stays. --Jpatt 13:39, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

When's Biden gonna ask for his resignation? RobSFree Kyle! 16:48, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

Here's the battleground

Scientifical polling has unearthed the parameters of the current situation in U.S politics and public opinion. "44% of Likely U.S. Voters agree with Biden that the January 6 Capitol riot was 'the worst attack on our democracy since the Civil War.' Forty-one percent (41%) disagree and 14% say they’re not sure." So, to counter leftist opposition and propaganda, conservatives need better than a 10% break of the 14% undecided/ill-informed/ill-educated/don't care margin. That is 5 out of 7 members of this group. Strategy: don't offend anyone in the neutral group with idiot postings. RobSFree Kyle! 13:26, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

By the midterm elections, crime and economy will far outweigh the Capital riot. The public often has a short memory. Voters have their personal radio antennas to the station WIIFM (What's in it for me?).Conservative (talk) 23:10, June 6, 2021 (EDT)
Worse than 9/11? Bin Laden's plan was to hit both the White House and the Capitol. Wasn't BLM's attack on the White House at least as serious as a bunch of goofballs wandering around the Capitol? PeterKa (talk) 01:41, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
There have been riots and looting in cities across the nation for months. And now crime/murder is way up in many cities. But the Capital Riot is supposed to be the definitive issue when it comes to public disorder because it affected Washington's politicians briefly? I don't think so! Conservative (talk) 02:49, June 7, 2021 (EDT)
Pelosi told the Capitol Police to stand down and refused National Guard offered by Trump. She wanted a riot. Then Antifa/BLM provacatuers were sent in. RobSFree Kyle! 16:46, June 7, 2021 (EDT)

The first thing I mention to anybody that talks about the "worst attack in America" on Jan 6th was the number of weapons confiscated. For the first time in world history, an insurrection without weapons. Then I point out the videos of police escorting people inside the Capitol, videos of people urging police to stop vandalism and them not reacting. I mention Trump's speech and ask which words he uttered caused the attack? There wasn't any or the media would be repeating them every single day for six months straight. Then I go into the timeline of Trump's speech. He was still talking when the Capitol was "stormed". Pelosi and company had a scheme to turn a political rally into an insurrection. The trap was set. Where is Nancy's laptop? And FREE JAKE LANG political prisoner. --Jpatt 10:34, June 9, 2021 (EDT)

Can this be added?

Can this be added:

Setback for Leftists: Pro-Trump American First Javier Villalobos elected Mayor of McAllen, Texas, a border town that is 85% Hispanic and located in county that Joe Biden won by 17%.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-mcallen-mayor-javier-villalobos-texas --TheNewRight (talk) 14:30, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

Manchin says "no" to fraud-friendly voter law

Also,

Massive setback for pro-voting fraud Democrats: Senator Joe Manchin to oppose the For The People Act, which would nationalize elections and essentially legalize voting fraud, likely killing the bill.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-to-oppose-for-the-people-act-says-partisan-voting-legislation-will-further-destroy-democracy/ar-AAKLbMf?ocid=uxbndlbing --TheNewRight (talk) 14:32, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

I just covered both issues on main page right. Thanks.Conservative (talk) 23:25, June 6, 2021 (EDT)

West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin has come out against the "For the People" bill, killing its chances. WaPo and the rest of the left-wing media are in mourning. The bill would have put the Feds in charge of every election nationwide, ending state and local control. The Dems saw it as a way to end "voter suppression." As near as I can tell, this phrase means only that the Dems lost an election that they thought they should have won. The hysterical reaction to the bill's defeat makes sense only if the Dems expected the Biden DOJ to rig elections in their favor. PeterKa (talk) 08:39, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

He's gonna need some good lawyers. They'll probably try to do a Roger Stone/Paul Manafort on him next. RobSFree Kyle! 12:56, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
Extremely grateful that Joe Manchin is against this. I added on his article a while ago that he is one of two Dem senators opposed to ending filibuster. More Democrats need to be against it as well because if they're not radical enough, it will affect them as well. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 14:46, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
They're already playing the race card. [6] Now you know why Meena Harris is followed by Ron Klain on Twitter. She's a policy spokesman/person/thing. RobSFree Kyle! 14:58, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

China versus Greta Thunberg

China is responsible for 27 percent of greenhouse gas emissions compared to 11 percent for the U.S. After fulminating against Europe and the U.S. for years, Greta Thunberg has finally posted a mild tweet about China. Chinese state media promptly turned on the "Swedish environmentalist princess who should reduce her own carbon emissions." Another article says that she might have a better understanding of world affairs if she didn't skip school on Fridays. "Although she claims to be vegan, judging from how she looks, her carbon emissions are not so low herself." See "Chinese Media Fat-Shames Greta Thunberg!.

Greta also tweeted this satellite temperature data. If hadn't skipped school on Fridays, she would have noticed that it shows that global temperatures have been in decline since 2016. PeterKa (talk) 20:30, June 8, 2021 (EDT)

There is an earthquake happening under our feet in just the past few days, the biggest shift in global public opinion since Nixon visited China in 1972. It's bound to have economic consequences lasting well into this century. RobSFree Kyle! 20:48, June 8, 2021 (EDT)
China is being a good boy lately, perhaps to avoid an Olympics boycott. See "China Faces Nationalist Anger Over U.S. Plane in Taiwan." According to the article, "The most-liked comment on a post of C-17 photos said: 'Our red line is no red line. If this is the case, how can foreigners treat Taiwan as part of China?'" PeterKa (talk) 10:44, June 12, 2021 (EDT)

Kamala's 'root causes'

Time to call Kamala out. Kamala's 'root causes' of illegal immigration was the same argument used to sell NAFTA in the 1980s and 90s. Supposedly by opening free trade, it would keep people in their home countries and they wouldn't try to cross the border illegally. That, as well as Kamala's solicitation of greedy Wall Street capitalists to exploit cheap labor south of the border. The more things change, the more they remain the same. RobSFree Kyle! 09:56, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

The main source of illegal immigrants shifted from Mexico to Central America. So in a way, the NAFTA idea worked. But as the number of Mexican migrants dropped, Obama and Biden compensated by encouraging migrants from further away. The real "root cause" is the Dems' desire for undocumented voters. PeterKa (talk) 11:33, June 11, 2021 (EDT)
The Maquiladora boom was short lived, as eventually many of those jobs went to China. RobSFree Kyle! 11:38, June 11, 2021 (EDT)

Why did Rosenstein spy on McGahn?

The headlines today are all about the "Trump DOJ" spying on White House counsel Dan McGahn. See "AP source: Justice Dept secretly subpoenaed McGahn’s records." This happened in 2018, when the DOJ was run by Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein. I still haven't figured out what his game was. But he hired Robert Muller and his wife was a Hillary Clinton lawyer, so he can't be considered a Trump loyalist. I would interpreted this episode as Rosenstein violating Trump's constitutional right to counsel. Rosenstein also renewed the Carter Page warrant, which allowed the DOJ to spy on the Trump campaign, presumably including Trump himself.

Perhaps the Dems are releasing this information now to divert attention from the revelation that the Park Police decided to clear Lafayette Park hours before Trump decided to visit St. Johns' Church, destroying the "Trump gassed peaceful protesters for a photo op" narrative. When the New York Times and CNN produce these anonymously sourced narratives, they are so often lies. I have always thought that anonymous sourcing is unethical. See "‘I was right’: Donald Trump sounds off" PeterKa (talk) 21:19, June 13, 2021 (EDT)

CTH has a good take on it. Hopefully, it's an attempt by the DOJ to get out ahead of indictments by John Durham, But we've had our hopes dashed a few dozen times already. RobSFree Kyle! 22:10, June 13, 2021 (EDT)

Covid shuttered 40 percent of U.S. small businesses

The "shelter-in-place" idea may not have slowed covid down, but it sure hit U.S. small business hard: "The Number of Small Businesses Destroyed by COVID Lockdowns Will ASTOUND You." Large retailers were allowed to stay open. A small business is defined as one with fewer than 500 employees. No wonder Bill Gates and Anthony Fauci emailed each other so much. PeterKa (talk) 22:15, June 14, 2021 (EDT)

Don't forget Bezos. He cashed in bigtime. RobSFree Kyle! 23:09, June 14, 2021 (EDT)

Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often?

Featuring certain excellent articles can help their page view growth. For example, my work on the Bourke Hickenlooper and Leslie Arends articles and some of BHathorn's page creations like the ones for Milward Simpson and Jacob Javits seem like nice ones to feature. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Tuesday, 01:02, June 15, 2021 (EDT)

Why don't we feature articles on Mainpageleft more often? Tradition! Conservative (talk) 20:57, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

Texit primary strategy

Likely won't work and here's why. The article states that the parties can make a rule stating that you must be a party member to sign the petition. Texas, however, does not require someone to state party affiliation in order to vote in a primary (unlike neighboring Oklahoma or equally conservative Florida). So Miller probably won't get enough signatures to do anything. Can't fault him for trying. (Oh, and if Abbott loses in the primary, get ready to say "Texas Democrat Governor _____" because neither Huffines nor West can attract mainstream voters; they will likely sit out.) Quidam65 (talk) 10:59, June 15, 2021 (EDT)

Jon Stewart does a lab leak riff

Jon Stewart went on Colbert and made lab leak jokes. WaPo and much of the liberal media denounced Stewart's riff. What other theory of covid's origin is at all plausible at this point? The Vanity Fair expose shows that the scientists involved suspected a lab leak from the beginning. They were bullied by Peter Daszak and other China shills.

As for the pangolins, they were exonerated long ago. See "No bats or pangolins were sold at Wuhan wet markets immediately before Covid-19 pandemic started, Oxford study says." We should be moving on to questions like, "Was it genetically engineered?" and "Why was the lab's virus database, which could answer this question, taken down in September 2019, just before the outbreak?" PeterKa (talk) 06:02, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Yes it was genetically engineered. That too has been known since January 2020 (Zerohedge, Feb. 1, 2020). By mid-March 2020 all these facts were known and in open source. RobSFree Kyle! 10:24, June 17, 2021 (EDT) See also India research paper, Jan. 30, 2020). RobSFree Kyle! 10:43, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
Suggestion: In intelligence work, 99% of all intelligence material is in open source, and only 1% is classified information. This means any citizen with access to public information can engage in intelligence analysis and reporting. The difference is learning to follow open-source reporting, and not take the bait of MSM, which usually only serves the purpose to deceive and mislead.
Here is another example of following open source rather than MSM, from the Intro of the Biden junta:
"The junta's first actions were borrowed right out of the Nazi playbook;[9] like the Reichstag fire, a false flag attack on the U.S. Capitol building was staged[10] as a pretext to curb human rights and free speech.[11]
In both these instances, nearly one year apart (Jan. 2020 and Jan. 2021), Conservapedia and myself scooped Tucker Carlson by 6 mos. and 18 mos. Lesson learned: Don't follow the rabbit hole of MSM. RobSFree Kyle! 10:56, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
The beauty of following open source information rather than MSM is, when the truth finally becomes widespread and known, you don't have to waste time arguing against bogus information that you knew was bogus from the start. You simply continue and expand upon the facts. RobSFree Kyle! 11:04, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
So, the question is, How do you qualify open source information? Here's an example: *23 July 2020 - KT McFarland: Chinese unleashed a bioweapon on the world.[1]

RobSFree Kyle! 11:13, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Of course, Youtube has removed the video, but a transcript is available at Media Matters (which only corroborates its veracity):
"K.T. MCFARLAND: 49 years ago this month, Richard Nixon, President Nixon, directed his national security adviser to go to China and to open up relations with China, to bring China into the world. I was a young staff aide to Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger at the time. I remember it as if it was yesterday, and that set American foreign policy with China in a certain direction for 50 years, and President Nixon was right, he said "we induce them to change."
Our thoughts, Republican and Democrat alike was that as China modernizes, as China comes into the world, as they develop a middle class, they will have a -- be an open society, an open economy, an open society, but that's not how it turned out. The Chinese, in fact, have exploited that and that's why Pompeo was at the Nixon Library today because he's indicating we now have a reverse, we are now -- we are now acknowledging the fact that the Chinese have stolen intellectual property rights, have militarized the South China Sea, have unleashed a bioweapon onto the world, have practiced wolf diplomacy, and so we, the Trump administration, we the United States, we're going to have a very different approach to China going forward, and that's exactly what he was telling you. [7]

RobSFree Kyle! 11:21, June 17, 2021 (EDT)

Continuing with qualifying open source reporting: So, KT McFarland is an eyewitness to 49 years of events at the highest levels. Contrast that with Stephen Colbert:
"Colbert said: "It could be possible that they have the lab in Wuhan to study the novel coronavirus diseases because in Wuhan there are a lot of coronavirus diseases because of the bat population there."
Colbert evidently has not even read the open source material from The Lancet (published Feb. 6, 2020):
"bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market.”[2]
Conclusion: 18 months after the fact Colbert is either willfully ignorant of the science and open source reporting, or deliberately deceptive. RobSFree Kyle! 11:51, June 17, 2021 (EDT)
I had assumed that Kristian Andersen's article in Nature Medicine (March 17, 2020) had debunked the genetic engineering theory. But Fauci's emails give us reason to revisit this issue. It turns out that Anderson suspected that the virus was engineered and consulted Fauci. Fauci is of course not a specialist on genetic engineering, but rather someone Anderson might consult to determine what sort of findings were politically acceptable. Moreover, it seems that Ralph Baric, whose specialty is making genetic engineering difficult to detect (?!?), was working with Shi Zhengli. So the logic for considering this issue to be closed is no longer valid.
There is also the original reason to suspect that something fishy was going on: Shi Zhengli claimed that RaTG13 was the closest thing she could find to the covid virus in her database of 15,000 bat viruses. The virus is 96 percent identical to the covid virus. This is not close enough for it to be the natural ancestor. But we can think of it as the base virus used for genetic engineering.
As far as your ZeroHedge link goes, I would be reluctant to go down that road until the theory that coronavirus was spliced with HIV appeared in a source that could be considered more mainstream. Anderson's reasons for suspecting engineering were quite subtle. If the covid virus was massively spliced with HIV, that's certainly not something he noticed. PeterKa (talk) 10:16, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
Zerohedge had the link to the Indian researchers who found problems with the gnome sequence and evidence of splicing (splicing is basically the same as "gain of function", i.e. that's why they splice, to gain function). Remember, it was a "novel" back in the day, so no research report was conclusive. MSM was regurgitating CCP propaganda on Feb. 1, 2020, and ignoring science. RobSFree Kyle! 11:41, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
More evidence of Colbert's ignorance: This video, posted Dec. 10, 2019, shows researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology traveling to Yunnan to capture bats. It was widely publicized by April 2020. RobSFree Kyle! 12:11, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

Another illustration

Here's another illustration of MSM reporting with no context. On May 24, CNN reported this uncontrolled leak:

  • "The decision to terminate the inquiry [into the lab leak], which was run primarily out of the State Department's arms control and verification bureau, was made after Biden officials were briefed on the team's draft findings in February and March

So the official MSM version (note, not the administration version cause as we'll see, there was confusion) as of May 24 was the so-called "lab leak theory" was bull and the original CCP bat stew flu cover story was doctrine. Then came the Vanity Fair article on June 9 and, with a wink and a nod, the Biden admin had flipped and was seriously investigating the "lab-leak theory". So what happened in two weeks?

Nothing happened, cause the May and June reporting was all on events from last February. And evidentally whoever leaked the story about the investigation being shut down in February was unaware it had been re-opened elsewhere. This ties in with news about the high-ranking Chinese defector - from last February - whose information now (or at least enough of it) has been leaked which verifies the lab-leak.

  • "vice minister of State Security, Dong Jingwei (董经纬) defected in mid-February..." [8]
  • Conclusion: the so-called "news" we are getting is stale, up to 5 months old. During Obamagate or Fisagate (aka "Mueller investigation"), the reporting was consistently 6 months, and at some point near the midterms as much as 18 months, behind the times. Right now you can conclude that virtually anything the Biden junta allows into the public domain is likely 5 months old, stale, and nobody in the admin gives a crap anymore cause it's old news. RobSFree Kyle! 20:48, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
So here's some pointers in following MSM:
  • Realize there are two types of leaks, controlled and uncontrolled. Controlled leaks are intended to shape a narrative. Uncontrolled leaks usually result in scandal.
  • Washington News reporters and anchors who appear on television always know much more than they are reporting. They are following a script for that day's reporting, i.e. how much the public can handle and are all the explanations and rebuttals in place from various sources.
  • Likewise elected officials and bureaucrats also always know much more than they are commenting on. Feigned outrage can be their specialty.
  • You are being fed news and information in doses, premeasured as to how much you can comprehend in a daily news cycle.

RobSFree Kyle! 21:12, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

There are a zillion examples in recent memory that can be cited. The Awan investigation, for example. It went public about January 30, 2017. For a year and half we waited with baited breath for every scrap of information they tossed us. Then when Awan pleaded guilty, we figured we'd now find out the results of the investigation. it turns out, there was no investigation for that year and half (at least that's the official story). The investigation was over when he got fired from Congress on January 30, 2017, and the news went public. This is what is known as a "head fake."
Another example with bipartisan, Uniparty and Deep State implications. When news was released in October 2017 that Senate Intelligence vice-chair Mark Warner had engaged in witness tampering with Christopher Steele in Feb. 2017, GOP Sen. Marco Rubio was asked about it. He almost had to jog his memory and responded with, 'oh, that's old news. We investigated it." Conclusion: The GOP Senate Intel Cmte was in on the coup and Mueller's attempt to overthrow Trump. It was doing nothing, other than helping to hide, the origins of the Steele dossier. RobSFree Kyle! 21:34, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

There is no "Biden junta"

As the Biden Junta took power, the American people were excluded from what traditionally has been a public event.

A junta is "A military or political group that rules a country after taking power by force."[9]

Did the US military install Joe Biden? Did Joe Biden and/or a paramilitary group go in with their guns blazing and install Joe Biden as president? Of course, the answer to these questions is no. There is no "Biden junta".

It is theoretically possible for the presidential election results to be called fraudulent by state governments and for Biden to be removed from and for Donald Trump to be installed as president, but for now Joe Biden is the president of the United States. To deny this is foolish. Biden sits in the Oval Office and he has issued executive orders. Unfortunately, for all intents and purposes, the Biden presidency is a fait accompli.

Wikipedia is foolish for calling evolution a fact. And Conservapedia is foolish for having the term "Biden junta" in its main space areas of its website.

Denialism gets under my skin whether the political left or right is doing it. Conservative (talk) 16:46, June 18, 2021 (EDT)

"junta" is the same Latin root we get "joint" from, as in Joint Chiefs of Staff. It simply means "together". If you ask a girl for a date in Spanish, you ask her to go juntos (together) with you. The MSM, when speaking of a military junta refers to it as a military junta, when no civilians are involved. Because most modern undemocratically elected juntas consist of civilian socialist elements, junta (or joint committee) is entirely fitting. RobSFree Kyle! 17:05, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
So now you want to redefine the term junta. I am not buying it RobS. And neither is the public. The reason why Conservapedia ranks #1 at Google for the term "Biden junta" is that other websites are not trying to foist the foolish notion of their being a "Biden junta". The whole "Biden junta" thing is absurd RobS. Conservative (talk) 17:16, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
By the way, when are the black helicopters of Biden junta going to land in all 50 state capitals of the USA? Conservative (talk) 17:20, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
Call me a dissenter. I'm not onboard with your acceptance of incremental socialism. RobSFree Kyle! 17:57, June 18, 2021 (EDT)
Call me a realist. I'm not onboard with people refusing to accept reality. Conservative (talk) 06:48, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
Ignoring election fraud cause the election is over is like ignoring murder cause the victim is dead - Sydney Powell. RobSFree Kyle! 09:35, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
Non sequitur. Even if there was rampant election fraud, that does not mean that a military or paramilitary force installed Joe Biden as president. Conservative (talk) 20:55, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
"Grandpa, what did you do when the totalitarian leftists were taking away our rights, destroying civilized society, and persecuting innocent people? Were you with the Resistance or Collaborators? or did you just shut your eyes to the destruction of the Constitution and all the human rights abuses? RobSFree Kyle! 21:56, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

Your emotional "argument"/plea did not overcome my logical and factual argument. Conservative (talk) 22:10, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

Well, at least now we know where you stand. RobSFree Kyle! 23:10, June 20, 2021 (EDT)
President Trump: “I Have Not Conceded”. RobSFree Kyle! 21:49, June 21, 2021 (EDT)
Trump will never concede. Trump's self-concept is that he is a winner. And winners don't lose. The baby boomers have a lot of problems with narcissism.
I do hope some state audits of the presidential election show significant fraud. The USA ranks 57th in election integrity compared to other countries that are democracies.[10] There is a lot of room for improvement.Conservative (talk) 10:54, June 22, 2021 (EDT)
Now you're beginning to see the point. That Arizona audit, which should be complete by August, is key. If Arizona proves fine and reports Biden won fair and square, then we'll toss in the towel and you can move Biden junta to Biden administration. But so far it appears significant fraud in AZ & GA, with PA next to audit.
Why does any of this matter? Because you are deluded to think a Republican will ever win an election again in 2022 or 2024. There simply is not the time to implement the reforms needed. And it doesn't matter if 51%, 60%, 66%, or 75% vote against the Socialist Democrats. No amount of legitimate votes can defeat the collusion of the CCP, DNC, and Big Tech. RobSFree Kyle! 12:55, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Capitol raided by FBI informants?

Did the FBI pay informants to attack the Capitol on January 6? Tucker Carlson is on the case. He argues that the "unindicted co-conspirators" that seem to be everywhere in the legal filings are in fact FBI informants. Given the FBI's track record, they don't deserve any benefit of the doubt. Mueller set Governor Spitzer up with a hooker sting and protected Boston gangster Whitey Bulger. Half the people in the "kidnapping plot" last year against Governor Gretchen Whitmer were FBI informants. During the "war on terror", the FBI was astonishingly good at uncovering terror plots. With Mueller at the helm, why wouldn't they be? He may have stumbled around during the anthrax investigation. But when the plots are FBI generated, they are a lot easier to crack. YouTube is rigorously censoring this story the same way they used to censor the lab-leak story. PeterKa (talk) 02:28, June 19, 2021 (EDT)

Glenn Greenwald has a good take on this. Tucker's idea that the term "unindicted co-conspirators" is code for FBI informant is probably wrong. In the Michigan case, the FBI informants were called "confidential sources." But there are other reasons to suspect FBI involvement, none of which are being addressed by the liberal media. Low level figures in the Proud Boys, Three Percenters, and Oath Keepers are being targeted, but not the leaders. The Three Percenters was also involved in the Whitmer incident and the head of Proud Boys has worked as an informer in the past. PeterKa (talk) 04:40, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
The FBI should focus more on more pressing threats. Strzok and Page should be in jail and Wray should have been fired. If the FBI focused on more pressing threats, perhaps the Twin Towers would still be standing. Conservative (talk) 06:50, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
It's Ruby Ridge all over. [11] The ATF tried to blackmail and frame Randy Weaver to infiltrate Aryan Nations. And when he refused, they murdered his family. RobSFree Kyle! 09:38, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
Liberals vilified the police for months. Then the Capitol Police killed Ashley Babbitt and suddenly they were heroes deserving of Congressional gold medals. The Capital Police somehow managed to deal with the BLM attack on June 1-2 without killing anybody. Where are the gold medals for the Minneapolis police? Nicholas Kristoff tells us that Babbitt watched Tucker Carlson. I want to know what shows the police officer who shot her watched. PeterKa (talk) 20:42, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
If you want to leave libs with their mouth agape, just post "Defund the Capitol Police" in your next Facebook or Twitter discussion. Timing is important. RobSFree Kyle! 21:02, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
Update: Read what happened to this guy and compare it with what happened to Randy Weaver. In both cases, for openers Randy Weaver ran for Sheriff in a primary as a Republican and lost, and this Green Beret ran for Congress in a primary as a Republican and lost. Evidentally, dabbling in Republican politics since 1989 makes the feds think you have leadership skills and makes you a target for recruitment and blackmail. RobSFree Kyle! 22:39, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
I once ran for Minnesota state senate as a Republican. Hey, I won my primary. "Hang the murderers" was my tagline. PeterKa (talk) 23:47, June 19, 2021 (EDT)
Wow. If they can find something or frame you on something, don't be surprised if they come knocking on your door at 7:30 some morning and ask you to do them a favor. RobSFree Kyle! 00:46, June 20, 2021 (EDT)

We need to talk about the elephant in the room

"Woman in Thailand discovers elephant in her kitchen searching for snacks." (SCMP) The photo is hilarious. The Thais believe that you can "make merit" by feeding an elephant, so Thai elephants are not shy. PeterKa (talk) 21:58, June 22, 2021 (EDT)

Give him some crackers or something. Elephants aren't meat eaters, but I'm sure they could bruise your hand with their teeth if you weren't careful and tried feeding them by hand. RobSFree Kyle! 00:03, June 23, 2021 (EDT)

Strange Behavior of this Wiki

Each time I try to log in as "AugustO", I'm logged off immediately, so I cannot use my account. I created this dummy account to make you aware of this problem, and I'd love to know the reason for the strange behvior of this wiki. Thanks, AugustO2 (talk) 09:38, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

PS: "Which Greek city was the center of an ancient empire?" "Athens" was an empire? That was my third try, after Byzantium and Constantinople! --AugustO2 (talk) 09:41, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

When you tried logging in via "AugustO", did you click on the checkbox which says "Check this box"? —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 10:08, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
No. Never. *LOL* Thank you, this bugged me for months! --AugustO (talk) 10:41, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
You're welcome! Unfortunately this problem's been around since last fall, and Andy still hasn't been able to fix it yet. —LTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Thursday, 11:09, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. Let's look at Finland.

Finland was a great place to be during the coronavirus pandemic. Long live Finland whose citizens have capitalism, lots of consumer choices, free speech and many other freedoms!

I will also point out the a very large percentage of the countries that have handled the coronavirus pandemic so far have a Protestant cultural legacy or were strongly influenced by such a country (U.S. had a strong influence on Japan, Singapore was a British colony). See: Protestant cultural legacies.

The national flag of Iceland has a cross on it which reflects its Christian heritage.

See also: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.

Some of the of most successful countries that handled the coronavirus well in terms of per capita deaths are: New Zealand, Singapore, Australia, Taiwan, Japan, Iceland, Norway and Finland.

Obviously, some of the countries had geographic advantages which made them less porous as far as infected people coming into their countries (Islands, etc.).

Let take a look at Finland which is not an island.

One of the most successful developed countries to tackle the coronavirus that didn't have the advantage of being geographically isolated (New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, etc.) was Finland whose deaths per 100,000 people was very respectable.[12]

Does Finland have private medical companies and capitalism? Yes.

Does Finland have lots of free speech and many other freedoms? Yes.

Does Finland give its consumers a lot of choices? Yes.

Is Finnish society very harmonious or is there a lot of contention and the calling of people scum, etc.? "Finns have a reputation for reticence, thoughtfulness and unemotional behavior. They are quiet, reflective, somber and, for some, seemingly stubborn and standoffish. They are unwilling to speak unless they have something of importance to say. There is a saying that when a Finn says something, they really mean it."[13]

Did the harmonious Finnish people have public-private partnerships to tackle the coronavirus pandemic? Yes, they did.[14]

Next time some contentious, leftist/liberal tells you the answer to solving the coronavirus pandemic in a country is to shut down free speech and demonize opponents, tell them how beautifully Finland handled the coronavirus pandemic. Conservative (talk) 14:53, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

It's far from over. RobSFree Kyle! 14:56, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
I will also point out the a very large percentage of the countries that have handled the coronavirus pandemic so far have a Protestant cultural legacy or were strongly influenced by such a country (U.S. had a strong influence on Japan, Singapore was a British colony). See: Protestant cultural legacies.
Here I stand on the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well. I can do no other. Conservative (talk) 15:03, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
My point is, it's far too early to draw any conclusions. No one knows how a man-made virus will behave in the future, or what other man-made viruses await us. Or the efficacy of so-called "vaccines" against man-made viruses. As to the reaction against a bioweapon attack upon the planet, worldwide reaction has been an unmitigated failure and continues to be. RobSFree Kyle! 15:06, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
Unfortunately, in the USA, leftist/liberal ideology in its educational systems, has made the USA less harmonious and less Protestant friendly.
RobS, I retitled the title of this section to: "An observation about the developed countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. Let's look at Finland."Conservative (talk) 15:08, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
Realize the bio-weapon attack was upon the entire Western system of governance, not just their healthcare systems or economies, so I suggest expanding the parameters of your thesis. RobSFree Kyle! 15:16, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
I am very happy with my essay An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland.. I just wanted to make a few key points in an essay. I do not want to write a book.Conservative (talk) 15:58, June 24, 2021 (EDT)
Okay, I see. Then may I suggest you prepare your work as a foundational counter weapon to what appears to be a long struggle ahead for the remainder of this century. RobSFree Kyle! 16:14, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

I don't have any grand plans for my essay.

I have some plans for what struggles I am going to be involved in.

And I am going to be less involved in politics in the future. I view the baby boomers as a selfish and short-sighted generation. And unfortunately, their descendants are not high-caliber people. The acorn does not fall far from the tree. And as long as you have low-caliber people running things, they are not going to be run well.

Also, "No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier." - The Apostle Paul, 1 Timothy 2:4Conservative (talk) 16:22, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

A few years ago we debated "the dumbing down of America" before school boards. Now we have arrived at the pot of gold at the end of the liberal rainbow with CRT.
As to the boomer generation, despite its large numbers, it was never a political monolith. The Vietnam war divided it politically in its youth between Marxists and Patriots. By the election of the first boomer president, the draft dodger Bill Clinton, it was obvious the Marxists won. As a boomer, I'll modify and recycle a slogan used by the NRA in the 1960s: "I'll give up the screwed up world I inherited from the World War II generation when you pry it from my cold dead fingers." RobSFree Kyle!
If the leftist/liberal extremists gain a ton of ground in the USA (defund the police, etc.), I will move to a solidly red state or I will emigrate. I am not worried about politics. I have options. Conservative (talk) 17:33, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

(ec) Cons: here's a suggestion for an essay based on an obvious fact in front of our faces that most people ignore: childless people, particularly homosexuals, have much more time to devote to politics and political activity than voters raising a family. Hence, homosexuals as candidates for office, and in media and academia, can present themselves as alleged "experts" in certain areas. Voters with children and families need to simply apply this litmus tests to people like Kamala Harris, Angela Merkel, Theresa May, etc. etc. etc.. If they don't have children, they don't seem too worried about "what kind of world we leave to our child." They seem more focused on the power they can amass for themselves here and now. RobSFree Kyle! 17:36, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

I so rarely think about homosexuality, the essay would never be written!
I am taking the Apostle Paul's advice to the Philippians at this juncture in my life. "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." - Philippians 4:8. Conservative (talk) 18:29, June 24, 2021 (EDT)

Hands up, don't nuke

Somebody let Biden out of the basement again: "Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government... If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons."

This may sound like dementia acting up, but he's actually said similar things before. He thinks it's a really clever argument: "You don't need those guns cause I am gonna nuke you anyway." Well, we can only hope that the military isn't quite ready to nuke patriotic Americans. Liberals obviously don't believe this argument themselves. Antifa, BLM, the Secret Service, the FBI, the security guards for Hollywood starlets all carry guns. Liberal oppose stop and frisk, which is to say that they don't see any problem with criminals having guns. So what's wrong with guns? From a liberal point of view, the problem is that conservatives have a lot of them and could use them against "peaceful protesting" Antifa and BLM. PeterKa (talk) 07:25, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

Ah, the good ol' days, when people were less barbaric and used the guillotine. RobSFree Kyle! 11:20, June 26, 2021 (EDT)

Bet on gold all the way

How can we tell that we are just about to be hit with some serious inflation? Biden held a press conference to explain how great inflation is: "President Biden: “Pay Them More”" My grandparents told us about being paid in wheelbarrows full of cash in Weimar Germany. So, yeah, I guess in a way they were paid more. Germany used inflation to get rid of its WWI debt. What is the upside this time around? PeterKa (talk) 05:04, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

Before you invest in gold, there are few simple fundamental economic precepts one should understand:
  1. All prices are ratios. For example, a dollar hamburger on the McDonald's dollar menu sells for 1:1
  2. The price of gold sells at a ratio of how many ozs. of sliver exchange for one oz. of gold. For example, today's gold price sells for 1:67.
  3. The price of silver is determined by how man ozs. of silver exchange for one barrel of oil. In this example, we'll use West Texas Crude. Today's price is 2.82:1
What you do with this information is now up to you. Sorry, but I'll have to charge you if you want anymore information. RobSFree Kyle! 17:30, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

Another "four Pinocchios" for senile Joe!

WaPost gives Biden four 'Pinocchios' for saying Second Amendment bans cannon ownershipLTMay D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well! Monday, 17:13, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

The "Longer Telegram"

An anonymous individual associated with the Atlantic Council has published a "Longer Telegram" that serves as a modern-day equivalent to George F. Kennan's "Long Telegram." This one is aimed at China.

Extra, extra, read all about it!

How many 50 cent words were in the Long Telegram? [15] RobSFree Kyle! 20:06, June 28, 2021 (EDT)

What is with the administrative state?

I have been watching C-Span since it first came on, now in its 4th decade. I have got to be the only human being on the planet (outside of DC) who enjoys watching C-Span 3 all day Saturday, a channel no one else ever heard of. But I have never seen anyone in the executive branch flatly refuse to answer a question in a Congressional hearing - not until this year. 5 times so far this year, and 3 times in just the past week. Why do we even have Congressional hearings now, if this is the pattern of the future? Better yet, what do we even need Congress for, if this is the attitude of the people in the administrative state have, since they evidently have all the power and are accountable to no one? RobSFree Kyle! 04:42, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

Add To In The News

Massive setback to the Defund The Police Movement: Former Police Officer and Opponent of Defunding the Police Eric Adams wins the Democratic Primary for Mayor of New York, defeating Anti-Police and AOC-Backed Maya Wiley.[16] --TheNewRight (talk) 16:43, June 29, 2021 (EDT)

How does school choice have anything to do with either evolution or atheism?--Joao felix (talk) 11:06, June 30, 2021 (EDT)

Duh, students who attend a school of their choice are taught to think rather than being force-fed garbage, perhaps? RobSFree Kyle! 11:16, June 30, 2021 (EDT)

Bill Cosby

Is Conservapedia seriously defending mass rapist Bill Cosby? ---BernieandTrumpFan (talk) 12:23, July 1, 2021 (EDT)

Defending? No. We're reporting facts. RobSFree Kyle! 12:59, July 1, 2021 (EDT)
Based on current law and the available evidence they could use, the prosecution could not have a strong case due to the statute of limitation laws and the multiple women asserting Bill Cosby raped them being silent for so long.
Bill Cosby is largely a social pariah now - except for diehard Cosby fans. At least 60 women say Bill Cosby sexually assaulted them.[17]
The Me Too Movement had momentum for a while, but when they stabbed Joe Biden sexual assault accuser Teara Reade in the back, they lost momentum. I doubt the possibility of getting widespread bipartisan support in the USA for statute of limitation changes for rape is there.
Culture changes slow. Feminism has a long history[18], but it's still a man's world and I don't see that ending anytime soon (or ever for that matter). The historian Martin van Creveld is to the left of me culturally/politically. Although I don't agree with everything in Creveld's book on equality (he believes in evolution for example), he makes a lot of good points in his book Equality: The Impossible Quest. Conservative (talk) 22:53, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
Cosby was prosecuted unfairly, in part a result of retaliation against him for a conservative talk he gave to the NAACP in 2004, known as the "Pound Cake" speech.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:09, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
How many women say Bill Clinton sexually assaulted them? Was he ever prosecuted???--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:08, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
Bill Clinton is somewhat of a social pariah now too (Even many Democrats don't like the Clintons now, but there are always partisans in our divided country). That is why Donald Trump had a news conference with 3 sexual abuse accusers of Bill Clinton before one of the presidential debates[19] (It was in response to the press pressing Trump on the Access Hollywood Access tape. Many Republicans would have folded after something like the Access Hollywood tape, but Trump played brass knuckles politics in response to the tape as a counter-response. It was classic whataboutism. Trump was letting the Clintons and media know that there would be a price to heavily promoting/covering the Access Hollywood tape for an extended period.). Conservative (talk) 01:20, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

Macron

Ordinarily, this would be big news. But probably not on a holiday weekend. it could go in his bio or the globalism articles, however. RobSFree Kyle! 20:42, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

Hope he appreciates the irony of chickens coming home to roost, since most of the woke leftist culture that we exported to France recently was in turn exported to us beforehand by people like Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida, also Jean Baudrillard and Sartre as well. I think the only one besides Frankfurt School that France was completely innocent of creating, at least in terms of direct creations, was Critical Race Theory (that one unfortunately WAS directly created by us). Heck, hope he acknowledges France's role in all the non-CRT woke crap and goes out of his way to remove Foucault, Sartre, and the like from the Pantheon if they're even there. Might as well remove Voltaire and D'Alembert as well and restore the King of France as well, even consecrate the Heart of Mary while we're at it. Pokeria1 (talk) 21:23, July 3, 2021 (EDT)
As the Muslim population grows in Europe, the European anti-immigration, nativist, right-wing parties grow concurrently. So European, secular leftists, will be facing a double-barrel shotgun of desecularization and nationalistic/nativistic, right-wing populism in the 21st century. And what is happening in Europe, will spread to the USA. Conservative (talk) 23:12, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

The woke U.S. Navy

Russian military officers learn that Russia will rule the world from Aleksandr Dugin's Foundations of Geopolitics (1997) while the Chinese are reading Anthony Fauci's How to Sell Vaccine Using Genetically Engineered Viruses. (Oops, I don't know if that last one is an actual title.) Meanwhile, American officers are reading How to be an Antiracist by Ibrahim X. Kendi. (No, this one isn't a joke.) In one segment on Tucker Carlson, Admiral Gilday, head of naval operations, told Congress that he recommends this book, "To promote honest discussion about race." This is a mighty amusing reason because Kendi argues that honest discussion about race is itself racist. Petty much everything you can do or say is racist, according to the book.

General Milley, chairman of the joint chiefs, earlier told Congress that he recommends this type of book to "understand white rage." Milley reads Mao to understand Maoism, so why doesn't he read a white supremacist to understand white rage? Because the idea is not to understand anything, but to encourage the military to look at Americans, especially patriotic Americans, as the enemy. PeterKa (talk) 21:19, July 3, 2021 (EDT)

It's the Long march through the institutions of Rudy Dutschke. We've seen it coming for awhile. Now we have it in K-12 and the armed forces. The only solution is to apply the brakes immediately. Otherwise everything is lost. RobSFree Kyle! 10:38, July 4, 2021 (EDT)
I can see America losing our next war. We already made the foolish mistake of having a prolonged and costly war in Afghanistan that achieved nothing for the American people or the country of Afghanistan. Conservative (talk) 09:25, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
Heroin prices now go up. The bad news is, everytime you inject heroin in your arm. you're nolonger supporting the CIA - you're supporting our enemies who are trying to destroy us with drugs. Alternatively, it is good news for Big Pharma (and the budding Mexican poppy growing industry).
I think we already lost our next war, the U.S. Color Revolution. RobSFree Kyle! 11:17, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
Losing the Vietnam War was a boon to the domestic marijuana industry. While the war itself expanded consumer demand, when it ended domestic producers didn't even exist. Now states rely on them for revenue. RobSFree Kyle! 11:27, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
Remember Bernardine Dohrn - Michele Obama's bridesmaid - immortal words from the failed 1960s Marxist revolution: "Dope is a weapon." And she was a trained Marxist, too. RobSFree Kyle! 11:31, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

New York prosecutors indict Trump CFO

The headlines tell us that the Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance's indictment of Allen Weisselberg, CFO of the Trump Organization, is about "accountability." Since prosecutors are not ready to file charges against Hunter Biden or Nancy Pelosi, we can conclude that the crime Weisselberg is really being prosecuted for is working for Donald Trump.

The path this investigation took brings to mind a statement by Beria, one of Stalin's henchmen: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime." Few people have been investigated more intensely or by more authorities than Trump. Comey's FBI investigated him during the 2016 campaign. Hillary put the legal vendetta in motion immediately after she lost the 2016 election. It's been going from one legal authority to the other every since. The FBI soon passed the baton to Robert Muller and Andrew Weissman. The feds couldn't make a case, so now the Manhattan DA is giving it a whack. That's not the way law enforcement is supposed to work. We have fifty states and many jurisdictions. Will they all investigate Trump one after the other?

Vance's case started as an investigation into hush money paid to Stormy Daniels. When he realized that there was nothing illegal about payments of this type, he started looking at the tax status of fringe benefits paid by the Trump organization. This supposedly led him to evidence that Weisselberg kept two sets of books. Keeping a fraudulent set of accounting books is of course a serious offense. But the fact that this accusation comes up at the last minute gives us reason to be suspicious.

America hasn't sent prosecutors after former presidents before. But we can look to ancient Rome for a precedent. During the republic, Roman magistrates had immunity from prosecution during their term of office. After Milo's term as praeter (mayor of Rome) ended, he was put on trial. Milo employed Cicero as his lawyer, but Caesar's mob shouted Cicero down. Milo was convicted and exiled to Marseille. His supporters were anxious to get back at Caesar. When Caesar's own term as proconsul of Gaul ended, he feared a trial in which Cicero's rhetoric would be deployed against him. So he took his legions with him across the Rubicon, marched on Rome, and proclaimed himself dictator. Such was the end of the republic. PeterKa (talk) 21:43, July 4, 2021 (EDT)

The Stormy Daniels case originated with FISA abuse. In this case, the FBI shared the illegal surveillance product with the Manhattan DA.
Once a judge slaps a gag-order on the proceedings, it effectively kills Trump's 2024 prospects. No one seems too concerned about the illegal leaks from the Manhattan DA's office.
DeSantis / Vernon Jones 2024. RobSFree Kyle! 05:59, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
Felony cases take anywhere from 2 months to a year to complete.
If Allen Weisselberg is guilty, the big question is whether or not he will hang tough or whether he will flip.Conservative (talk) 09:53, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
That's a pretty simple question to answer: you threaten a 73 year-old man with 15 years in jail. RobSFree Kyle! 09:59, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
And it's not a question of "flipping" (you allow too much MSM to shape your outlook). It's a question of him agreeing to perjure himself, as in the case of Dr. Jerome Corsi. RobSFree Kyle! 10:01, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
Threats are only effective if they have teeth. What's the average prison time for an offense like this?
In addition, it's often hard for a 60+ year old man to find work. If Weiselberg hangs tough, he could be rehired by the Trump administration if his prison time is short. And if Biden totally screws up his presidency, there is the possibility that Trump could be reelected and pardon Weiselberg.
It would be a mistake to underestimate Donald Trump and the Trump Organization. Both have a reputation of toughness. Hillary Clinton made the mistake of underestimating Trump.
I think we are only in the second inning of this "ball game". Conservative (talk) 10:09, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
Weiselberg is not the target, Trump is. A 15 year sentence with no room for negotiation is a death sentence to a 73 year old man. You seem to be under the mistaken perception you are dealing with honorable people in the Manhattan DA's office. RobSFree Kyle! 12:03, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

If NY state were to go after Donald Trump personally, it could be a Pyrrhic victory. Conservative rich people could use it as another reason to move out of NY state. New York City is bleeding residents - especially wealthy residents. New York State is bleeding wealthy residents too.[20]Conservative (talk) 10:22, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

“With the amount that they’ve charged, it is serious enough for prison time,” Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor, told Yahoo News. Rodgers, now a lecturer at Columbia Law School and a CNN contributor, said that the charges against Weisselberg would “realistically put him in the neighborhood of two to four years.”
“It's not heavy time,” she said, “but he’s [73] years old.”[21]
I realize that Allen Weiselberg is not some old school mafia guy (Old school mafia guys have a reputation of hanging tough and not flipping), but I predict Weiselberg will hang tough and not flip. He could be rehired by Trump at a hefty salary and could even be pardoned if Trump is reelected. Conservative (talk) 10:47, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
I just read the article Allen Weisselberg’s Post-Indictment Strategic Considerations. If Allen Weisselberg is guilty, he might flip. Some other Weisselberg family members might be indicted for tax fraud. In addition, there is NY State's "Little RICO" laws. Conservative (talk) 11:02, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
Why? Why all of this? The object is to tie Trump up so that he cannot run in 2024. RobSFree Kyle! 12:03, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
"War is merely the continuation of politics with other means." - Carl von Clausewitz
The legal system can also be the continuation of politics by other means.
The whole court case could largely be the result of a lucky break the Democrats got as can be seen in these articles: ‘They were offering me nothing’: A fraught divorce sits at the center of Trump Organization probe and CFO arrest and Jennifer Weisselberg, Allen Weisselberg’s Ex-Daughter-In-Law: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know.Conservative (talk) 16:05, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

MPR -- "Pro-Constitution" Group Stopped in MA

The group that was stopped in Massachusetts armed to the hilt were NOT a pro-Constitution militia group, we should not be celebrating them. They are an Islamist group called the Rise of the Moors -- they are anti-Christian and think Muslims and Blacks have special rights in America (meaning more rights than Whites and Christians). Can we remove the story or change it to reflect this? The Lamestream Media are trying to portray them as right wingers because they are clearly woke, CRT, Muslims that they lost control of. --IScott (talk) 15:13, July 5, 2021 (EDT)

Only Democrat racists and the bigoted MSM would disallow law-abiding citizens their Constitutional rights, and use Islamophobic attacks to spread fear. RobSFree Kyle! 17:16, July 5, 2021 (EDT)
If this is indeed the case that they aren't pro-Constitution but a militant muslim group, we definitely need to remove those news items, lest we end up repeating that mistake we made with the Nazis by parroting leftist academics and news media's claims that they were right-wing after World War II (when in reality, they weren't even right-wing under the European definition, much less the American definition. Sure, they were technically to the right of, say, Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin, but then again, even Obama was to the right of Noam Chomsky, yet he was still far-left.). Pokeria1 (talk) 05:40, July 6, 2021 (EDT)
After reading the homo-bashing passages in Trotsky, I suspect he'd be canceled by today's left. PeterKa (talk) 02:34, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
Hey, if you can supply a cite and a link, we could use that in several articles. These revolutionaries today are really crazy, they want to remake the world in their own image. RobSFree Kyle! 02:49, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
Sorry, I read Troksky's History of the Russian Revolution a few years ago. But I can't bring the passage up now. He was making insinuations about some czarist banker or industrialist, if I remember rightly. PeterKa (talk) 23:23, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
I vaguely remember it, too. Exposing the foibles of the rich was an effective way for communists to stir resentment and hatred. Of course nowadays the rich wear gayness as a badge of honor and a protected privilege. Perhaps some googling might bring something up. RobSFree Kyle! 05:27, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

Greg Abbott vs. Allen West

Thoughts?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/allen-west-texas-govern-gop-primary-challenge-greg-abbott

--Geopolitician (talk) 20:40, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

It's exciting. I'd vote for Allen West over Greg Abbott. Abbott does the minimum of what he thinks he need do to mollify conservatives. More leadership than that is necessary today.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:45, July 7, 2021 (EDT)
If West defeats Abbott (which will be hard, Abbott is highly popular especially among Hispanics as he's married to one), give the Governor's seat to the Democrats. Most Texans will not support West in the general election and will sit it out (or less likely vote for a third-party candidate). Blacks aren't going to switch parties to vote for him. Quidam65 (talk) 15:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Environmentalists go to bat for China

Environmentalists have new plan to save the world: Appease China. See "Biden’s new Cold War with China will result in climate collapse, progressives warn." According, to this plan, if we're nice to China, they'll reduce their carbon emissions for us. A list of environmentalist groups, including the Sunrise Movement and the Union of Concerned Scientists, “call on the Biden administration and all members of Congress to eschew the dominant antagonistic approach to U.S.-China relations and instead prioritize multilateralism, diplomacy, and cooperation with China to address the existential threat that is the climate crisis.”

This one is just so stupid, it's hard to know where to begin. What if the Chinese think, "With America run by a senile pushover, now is the time to invade Taiwan." If being the bad boy gets China better treatment, why would other countries follow the rules? I can only conclude that these groups are either on the take or have been fixed up with their own Fang-Fangs. PeterKa (talk) 23:47, July 7, 2021 (EDT)

Of all the modern commie front groups, the Sunrise Movement is one of the scariest. They target 12-year-olds to train tomorrow's Antifa stormtroopers and DSA activists. RobSFree Kyle! 05:31, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
And many of their NEA teachers pushing CRT are their political commissars and recruiters. RobSFree Kyle! 05:34, July 8, 2021 (EDT)
Ocasio-Cortez comes out of the Sunrise Movement. RobSFree Kyle! 05:36, July 8, 2021 (EDT)

APS

Haiti and Taiwan

A China angle in Haiti is now coming to surface. What an eyeopener. RobSFree Kyle! 10:24, July 10, 2021 (EDT)

I don't know. There's growing evidence of the gunmen having ties to both US law enforcement agencies and the Colombian military.[22][23][24]--Geopolitician (talk) 12:30, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Did you see this? looks like RightScoop didn't do their due diligence. Lt. Gen. Robert Schmidle is the father of Nicolas Schmidle, who wrote the b.s. story about Seal Team Six and killing of bin Laden for the New Yorker, as well as its hit piece on the American Sniper, Chris Kyle.
I totally destroyed Nicolaus Schmidle's credibility in Wikipedia's hit piece on Chris Kyle, and was even contacted by families of Seal Team Six with information on Robert Schmidle. Later they thanked me for destroying Nicolaus Schmidle's credibility as a reliable source for Wikipedia (not easy to do for an "award winning", mainstream publication).
Put two and two together - October 2021 is the final timetable for the CCP's invasion of Taiwan. Schmidle says here, (through an alleged rightwing media source), the U.S. isn't ready. It's not beyond the Biden junta or the Deep State to make an overture to the CCP by whacking out Moise. RobSFree Kyle! 13:38, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
For all we know, the invasion could come as early as later this month or as late as October 2025. I say this because CCP media stated in 2013 that the timetable is between 2020 and 2025, and due to weather patterns it can only attack in May, June, July, or October. So the window opened in May 2020 and will close in October 2025.[25][26]--Geopolitician (talk) 17:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Now they're saying DEA was involved. Why DEA? Cause after the Church hearings (as noted here Frank Church), the DEA doesn't have to report back to Congress on any killings outside the US. The DEA has a pool of trained assassins. The CIA has to report book on killings, whether it was pre-planned or accidental to maintain operational security. RobSFree Kyle! 18:19, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
There you have it, today's programmed news. I guess the U.S. has no intention to defend Taiwan when it gets invaded this October. Kinda like the Sudeten Crisis in 1938. RobSFree Kyle! 17:28, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Question About Cuba

I thought a lot of the protestors are against the country's communist and authoritarian government. Am I wrong? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 21:37, July 11, 2021 (EDT)

That is correct, the country's totalitarian fascist rulers and system, the same type of system being installed in the U.S. at the moment. RobSFree Kyle! 00:14, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
I'm sorry to say, but isn't the majority of Fascism based on Far-Right cultural beliefs, instead of Leftist ones? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
No. The American right believes in freedom and liberty. Totalitarianism by whatever stripe is exclusively leftwing. RobSFree Kyle! 20:19, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
May you please cite a source for that? There have been totalitarian Leftists in the past, yes, but it isn't exclusively Left-Wing. An example of a Right-Wing totalitarian leader would be Hitler, and you can't deny nor disprove the existence of his Far-Right beliefs, after all. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 23:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
Hannah Arendt, who invented the term totalitarian, to explain the difficulty many people had explaining which side of the socialist coin they were on during WWII, and in the years following immediately afterwards. [27] RobSFree Kyle! 23:57, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
While the term may have been coined in response to socialism, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is composed exclusively of Leftist Ideologies. In fact, both original and modern meanings describe it as some form of 'An autocratic form of government or political system that restricts political opposition to the state and controls public and private life.' This means that Right-Wing totalitarianism is INDEED possible and very real. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
No it doesn't. Not in American politics. That's a fanciful interpretation that may make sense in European classrooms (after years of Marxist indoctrination), but it is not what Hannah Arendt wrote about or discussed in the 1950s. RobSFree Kyle! 00:44, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Can you tell me the original meaning of Totalitarianism, then? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Well, after the Second World War, the communists were strutting victoriously, and many ex-Nazis were trying to rehab themselves (especially in the Eastern bloc, but in the West, too. Vichy France had a big problem). But many had problems embracing the victorious ideology, as well, at least in territories where free thought and free expression was allowed (i.e. right-wing ideas, by American standards). Hannah Arndt explained that one did not have to embrace the other variant of socialism, which shared the same evil characteristics. RobSFree Kyle! 01:28, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
In which page of the essay is this stated? I want to check. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 12:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
After the defeat of the National Socialist pandemic, the Delta variant of Soviet communism raised its ugly head. Hannah Arendt explained it was not a victorious alternative, it was the same ugly disease of totalitarianism. RobSFree Kyle! 01:49, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
That claim doesn't make much sense when you think about it, as there is plenty of anarchist and freedom-based Leftist Ideologies. Examples include Anarcho-Communism, Anarcha-Feminism, and Green Anarchism. Please note that these aren't the only Free Leftist Ideologies, nor that all Free Leftist Ideologies are Anarchist. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 13:48, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
In the immediate postwar, there were survivors from both sides. The victorious Communists lorded themselves over the defeated Nazis. Arendt reminded people that there was a third way, and the choice was not communism vs. nazism. That communism and nazism were two sides of the same coin - totalitarianism. RobSFree Kyle! 14:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Wouldn't that mean that Right-Wing Totalitarianism is possible, even in the original meaning of the term? The Nazis may have called themselves socialist, but that they weren't, as Hitler killed the actual socialists in the party once he got into power. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 14:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Kennedy biographer Arthur Schlesinger says the Nazis, who were genuine revolutionaries, were not "assigned" to the right until 1948, cause they couldn't figure out where to put them otherwise. Not Right, Not Left, But a Vital Center. This pre-dates Arendt and the Korean War by 3 years. RobSFree Kyle! 15:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
What? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Totalitarian is a uniquely and distinctly Cold War term. It did not exist prior to 1951. It was censored in the 'Communist East', but in West Germany, the United States, the UK and elsewhere many people felt sympathy for Communism. War time propaganda told people that Communism was a form of democracy. When the Korean War started, fighting communism created confusion. So Totalitarianism explained that there was no difference between Communism and Nazism in their suppression of democratic rights. RobSFree Kyle! 14:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
But Nazism is Far-Right, no? If Communism is the same as Nazism when it comes to totalitarianism, that would mean that both the Far-Left and the Far-Right can be Totalitarian. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:10, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
As a kid in the 1960s, we used to joke about the term, after learning about the WWII and hearing all the old war stories. We used to deliberately mispronounce it, total-it-ar-ian-ism rather than To-tal-it-arianism, to tell our teachers the crap they were feeding us didn't make any sense. "You mean people were lied to during WWII by New Deal propagandists?" RobSFree Kyle! 14:42, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Are you replying to me? The formatting is quite confusing. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 14:56, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Yah. It saves space. RobSFree Kyle! 15:25, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Can't you just format it normally? It's confusing this way. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 15:41, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
"Harry and Uncle Joe got on like a house afire." 5 years later Uncle Joe was killing Americans in Korea. So there was some 'splaining to do. RobSFree Kyle! 15:30, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 15:41, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
In America, World War II propagandists, beginning with FDR, claimed that Communism was democratic. Soldiers enlisted to secure "the right of self-determination of peoples". Imagine their shock, like no WMD in Iraq, when people realized they had been lied to. This explains McCarthyism. RobSFree Kyle! 15:52, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
People speak of the Greatest Generation in glowing terms today. The truth is, by 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, those veterans, and their parents and sisters who worked in arms factories, suffered many sacrifices and privations, became very disillusioned. RobSFree Kyle! 15:58, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 16:04, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
The meaning and definition of Totalitarian. The World War II generation had been lied to about Communism. They felt they had risked their lives for nothing. So a new enemy had to be invented - totalitarianism - which was nothing more than the same old enemy, communism and nazism.
IOWs, they had to transfer all the hatred and fear they had for Nazism over to their former allies, Communism, and realize both as twin evils. RobSFree Kyle! 16:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Like I said earlier, if Nazism and Communism are two sides of the same coin, wouldn't that mean that Right-Wing Totalitarianism IS possible? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 17:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
No. At least not in any American sense. The American right believes in God and human rights - that what conservativism is. Even the European-based right originally believed in God. I have no idea what it is today. RobSFree Kyle! 17:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Sure, but Christianism (Or any kind of religion) isn't exclusive to the Right. This is demonstrated by Religious, but culturally Leftist Ideologies, such as Progressive Chritianity. Conservatism isn't exclusive to the Right, as well. Take Progressive Conservatism and Liberal Conservatism into account, for example.
I would also like to know what you mean by 'Human Rights.' Wanting equality for everybody, regardless of trivial factors such as Gender, Race, and, Sexuality sounds pretty Pro-Rights to me. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:25, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Okay, I'll try to clarify for you. There is God and Satan, good and evil, love and hate, right and left. Is that simple enough for you? RobSFree Kyle! 20:09, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
This may come off as a surprise, but the world isn't Black & White. There are good and bad parts of the Right, much like how there are good and bad parts of the Left. There is also overlap between the two sides, as such, saying that all that is bad is the Left's fault and that all that is good comes from the Right is Foolish and Ignorant. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 20:29, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Well, that's the problem when you're dealing with theories, they may or may not be true. Or maybe only half true. And that's what the Political Spectrum theory is, only a theory. Unfortunately, in real life, we need more concrete information to stand on. So why do we teach children these garbage theories in schools? RobSFree Kyle! 22:42, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
I do not understand, nor do I want to engage. This has gone on for way too long. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 22:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
God bless you. Have a nice day. :) RobSFree Kyle! 23:23, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Thank you. Perhaps we can continue this debate at another time. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 11:51, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Vaccine police

Robert Barnes has a good answer for when the vaccine police come to inspect your papers. Tell them you identify as vaccinated. RobSFree Kyle! 03:30, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

Could you please come up with another joke? Repeating the same one isn't going to give it hilarity. At this point, you might as well identify as not funny. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:12, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
Feel free to ban me, as well. I know you like smothering out opposing opinions, much like those "Darned Liberals."ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 18:12, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
It's not a joke. And I'm on solid legal ground. RobSFree Kyle! 20:22, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
I wasn't talking about this supposed Vaccine Police. I was talking about the repeated-to-death transphobic joke of 'I identify as Blank, now give me the right of/to Blank.' Now may you please show me what legal ground you stand on? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 23:18, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
In front of a woke cop or judge, I'll make my argument. In front of a normal person, cop, or court of law, I need not explain. RobSFree Kyle! 00:03, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Basically, my legal grounds are based on science. RobSFree Kyle! 00:13, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Can you cite your sources, then? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:20, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
The same sources that say a man with a penis is a woman. RobSFree Kyle! 00:46, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
I asked for citations, not exclamations. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:50, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
By some scientific fact or will of God, a man born with a penis can will himself into being a woman, you know, kinda like Rudolph Hess trying to bend a spoon or move a chair by force of his will, or Hitler defeating Russian tanks bearing down on him by the strength of his will. This is modern science, after all. Get with the program. RobSFree Kyle! 00:55, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
I am not attempting to deny nor agree with your statements. I am simply asking you to cite specific sources, so you can cement the credibility of your statements. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 01:11, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
I dunno; read this garbage and tell me if it makes any sense to you. [28] RobSFree Kyle! 01:18, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Please, just cite your sources already. ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 01:26, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Google it. There's plenty of crap there. Better yet, go to Rationalwiki, they claim to be experts in sorting out facts from truth. RobSFree Kyle! 01:31, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Even Biden's with me, "We choose truth over facts." I'd rather be morally right than factually corrrect. RobSFree Kyle! 01:32, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Now, you may want to waste years of your life waiting for Amy Coney Barrett to decide if an adult male can expose himself to a 6-year-old girl at the Wu Spa in L.A. or if I can be tossed off an airplane for identifying as vaccinated, but that's your business. In America, people have the God given right to be stupid. RobSFree Kyle! 20:27, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
What does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 23:18, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
Amy Coney Barrett will ultimately decide if a man who identifies as a woman can expose himself in front of a 6-year-old girl legally in the State of California, City of Los Angeles, no matter what laws communists pass. RobSFree Kyle! 00:03, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Again, what does that have to do with anything? ArticleNeedsCitation (talk) 00:20, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
We're just waiting for the right test case. RobSFree Kyle! 00:46, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Fauci is horrified whenever he sees someone who's not paying vaccine royalities: "Fauci: "It's horrifying" to see people at CPAC cheer the government missing its vaccination targets." Hurry! If Bill Gates loses money, he won't be able to finance another scam-demic! The other virus Baric and Shi were engineering is Ebola, so that could be next. PeterKa (talk) 08:23, July 12, 2021 (EDT)
In the Pantheon of history, Lord Fauci is already remembered for his statement, "I am the way, the truth, and the life." What more needs to be said? Why does he bother to keep talking? RobSFree Kyle! 01:58, July 13, 2021 (EDT)

Trump wins CPAC straw poll

I can't believe this isn't on MPR already: "Trump easily wins CPAC 2024 GOP presidential nomination straw poll." Trump got 70 percent and Ron DeSantis 21. No one else broke 1 percent. American Spectator is certainly pumping up DeSantis. A Trump whose focus is proving that he "won" is 2020 sounds like a nightmare candidate. Of course, its still early. Traditionally, this kind of thing gets straightened out soon after the midterm. Gore in 2000 and Hillary 2016 were also consumed by the need to reverse lost elections. But neither of them ever ran for anything again. PeterKa (talk) 18:27, July 12, 2021 (EDT)

In order for Donald Trump to win in 2024, Joe Biden is going to either have to badly screw things up or mentally decline to such a degree that he is unelectable. In addition, Trump has to dodge the NY State prosecutor bullet. I think it is 50/50 at least that Donald Trump could win in 2024. Stress significantly hastens the progression of Alzheimer's Disease[29] and the presidency is a stressful job. Conservative (talk) 11:24, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Stress may accelerate dementia too.[30] Conservative (talk) 11:26, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Actually, I have no idea what is going to happen to the Biden/Harris presidency, Biden's health or the NY State case against the Trump Organization. On top of this, there could be a variant of coronavirus that the current vaccines can't handle. So many things could happen before 2024. It's sad that the Democrats didn't pick someone better than Biden/Harris. They have further descended down the slope of decline since the days of Truman/Kennedy. Conservative (talk) 11:47, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
You see Biden running again? Really, he's way too old. If he does run again, the Harris faction of the party won't be shy about saying so. See "There's zero chance Joe Biden will run in 2024. Why didn't he dodge the question?" The mainstream media was long a center of Harris worship. But they have recently started running stories that tentatively admit that Harris does in fact have certain weaknesses. So perhaps the Dems are thinking of running someone else.
No, I see Biden either stepping down one day after two years, thus setting things up for Harris to finish his term. Very rarely (and not any in recent years) do you see a serious primary challenge in the party of the incumbent. This would give her ten years to destroy America. Can we please have the Second Coming now? Quidam65 (talk) 15:48, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
At this point, I'd say Harris is still the frontrunner for the 2024 nomination. She can clear out the other Dems the way Hillary did in 2016. Damn two party system. We need nonpartisan primaries with the top two vote getters going on to the general election. Highly unpopular candidates like Hillary or Harris could never game their way to the top under those rules.
Harris is a sure loser as far as the general election goes. The polls suggest that she couldn't even beat Trump, never mind DeSantis. PeterKa (talk) 20:57, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
The knives are already out for Kamala. And Biden may not make it til 2024. And there's enough ambitious up and comers in the Democrat party. Gerry Ford barely served two years, and still got to build a presidential library. RobSFree Kyle! 22:49, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Personally, I think Tulsi Gabbard will stomp all of them in the 2024 primaries, Liz, Bernie, Kamala, Bootyboy, etc etc. RobSFree Kyle!
Bottomline: 2024 is an open seat, much as 1948, 1968, and 1976 were. There is no legitimate incumbent (neither Truman nor Ford were elected to the presidency, and LBJ dropped out at the last minute). RobSFree Kyle! 23:34, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
The Dems stole the House through fraud in 2018, the presidency in 2020, and the Senate in 2021. The big question now is preventing Democrat fraud in 2022. If it cannot be done, that will be the last election in a formerly free republic. RobSFree Kyle! 23:38, July 13, 2021 (EDT)
Biden reminds me of the character Titurel in Wagner's Parsifal. He's so old and decrepit, unable to perform the duties of the king of Grail Knights, they already have him boxed up in the grave before he's dead. RobSFree Kyle! 00:12, July 14, 2021 (EDT)
BTW, anybody know anybody who can do good animated memes? I want to plaster Joe and Hunter Biden's faces on Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il's face in this opening clip. It even has the international socialist Red rose (symbolism). RobSFree Kyle! 00:32, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Beware, those who worship false idols...

Mural Honoring George Floyd in Toledo, Ohio Destroyed by Lightning Strike

Northwest (talk) 03:52, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Who shot Ashli Babbitt?

Like Vicky Weaver, Ashli Babbitt was shot for being white. This July 7 article by Paul Sperry claims that Capitol Police Lt. Mike Byrd shot Babbitt. If so, that would seem to be quite a scandal. Byrd has been accused of violating firearms safety rules on several occasions. For example, he was, "investigated for leaving his department-issued Glock-22 firearm unattended in a Capitol restroom." He must have been protected from dismissal by someone powerful, possibly Chuck Schumer.

The response of the liberal media is not so much to defend Byrd as to warn us not to finger a black man for fear of a racial backlash. When Republicans retake Congress, the first thing they need to do is to install a statue of Babbitt (after prosecuting Byrd for her murder, of course.)

In short, Mike Byrd is the new Eric Ciaramella, a guy in the center of the news whose name decent people are not allowed to say. I'm old enough to remember when journalists supported the First Amendment and boasted of revealing news, not of their role in keeping important stories from the public. PeterKa (talk) 23:18, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

What's happened under our noses is, the Capitol Police just received more funding (without a vote) than the $1.9 billion the American people recieved with their $2000 stimulus checks and unemployment insurance. Why? cause, first, some guy took a crap on Pelosi's driveway in San Fransisco, and second, the FBI, in collusion with Antifa black bloc and the USCP, assaulted the Capitol building last January to force this expansion of a non-Executive Branch police force. Now Cuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi can monitor their enemies with the same technology we used in Afghanistan to monitor the Taliban. RobSFree Kyle! 23:54, July 14, 2021 (EDT)

Psaki

There you have it. Now we know how Psaki got the job. We've linked her directly to the Biden-Burisma coverup. See this clip from a May 2014 State Department press conference. "we certainly wouldn't put them in the same category," i.e. Hunter and Joe Biden in the same category with corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs and cronies.

And here I thought all along she got the job after her softball question, "What's your favorite ice cream flavor?" She's in up to her eyeballs, not that she's necessarily on the payroll, but it's fairly obvious now her loyalty is to the party and the Biden family, and not the U.S. government or the American people. RobSFree Kyle! 11:16, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA

Progressive Democrats love: defunding the police; the "mostly peaceful protests" that include a lot of rioting and looting; blaming soaring murder rates on guns rather than criminals; inflationary economic policies; open borders; critical race theory; and talking about packing the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Democrats' leader, Joe Biden, is a corrupt, old man with very noticeable cognitive decline and his side kick Kamala Harris is an incompetent and unlikeable Vice-President who runs a toxic work environment in her office.

Political scientist Rachel Bitecofer correctly predicted a "blue wave" in 2018. She is now "sounding the alarm" about a red wave in 2022.

The Republicans CRUSH Democrats in the special elections that were held in July of 2021.

Behold, the big red wave that is rolling towards the 2022 midterm U.S. Congressional elections in the USA! It is unstoppable. Hallelujah!

A big red wave is rolling towards the 2022 midterm elections in the USA. It is unstoppable! Hallelujah! Conservative (talk) 12:48, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

It's all predicated on faith in the integrity of American elections, which unfortunately has been shattered for many people. We heard this same stuff in 2018 and 2020. And that's why we call it the Biden junta.
The job is before us here, and now, and not in some clouded future. RobSFree Kyle! 13:02, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

You need to pay attention to things like this:

From the outset in October 2020 everything around the “plot to kidnap” Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer seemed sketchy, almost silly. The goofy similarities and suspicions were familiar to those who remembered the sketchy October 2018 “mail bombing plot” that involved Cesar Sayoc.....Yes, you read that correctly, 12 FBI ‘informants‘ amid a group that had six arrests. [31]

Or this:

Rank and Vile – Stunning Inspector General Report Shows FBI Facilitating Predator Coach Larry Nassar Rape of U.S. Gymnasts – Worse, The FBI Lied to Investigators and Then The DOJ Refused to Prosecute. [32]

Time to wake up to what is really going on. RobSFree Kyle! 13:10, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Had the FBI and DOJ released the declassified documents on Muellergate as they were ordered to by the President of the United States in 2018, there would not have been a "blue wave" in 2018. So your source, Rachel Bitecofer doesn't have clue what she's talking about, or else she's just another commie propagandist if she didn't address these issues. RobSFree Kyle! 13:17, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The main issue in American politics today is the role the intelligence community is playing in domestic politics. Period. RobSFree Kyle! 13:20, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The GOP is passing voter integrity laws in many states. Joe Manchin is stopping the Democrats from making big changes in election laws that favor Democrats.
A massive and unstoppable red wave is heading towards the midterm elections in 2022.
Democrats, it's all over with the fireworks kids! Game over! Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.00.Conservative (talk) 14:43, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
The House Oversight Committee just opened an attack on the Arizona audit. The fight is here and now, not 18 months from now. You're luring people into a false sense of security and sleep. You need to educate readers on the issues in this 4 page letter. RobSFree Kyle! 15:12, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
The Arizona audit might be merely the first domino to fall in the slew of state election audits to come. A cascade of election audits might follow after the Arizona audit. Red wave 2022! It's coming! Conservative (talk) 15:46, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
This stuff isn't random, there is a strategy. [33] RobSFree Kyle! 16:06, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
And there is a counter-strategy, which Biden kicked off two days ago in Philadelphia. People need instruction on how to meet this massive counterattack. RobSFree Kyle! 16:09, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
What I'm sayin is, when you're sitting on your own 35-yard line, you don't start doing an end zone dance. RobSFree Kyle! 18:30, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
I am just a humble GOP fan watching from the sidelines. When I see my team racking up points, sometimes I cheer (I don't think the GOP is a great political party, so I am not a huge fan of the GOP. They are by far the lesser of two evils though. Both parties - the GOP and the Democrats - spend too much money and it is often spent on foolish things). Conservative (talk) 18:41, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
There wasn't a lot to cheer about in 2021. The captain of the GOP team, Donald Trump, fumbled the coronavirus ball in 2020 by downplaying the pandemic. Paradoxically, Joe Biden needs Trump to rally Americans to get vaccinated, but he is not giving Trump sufficient credit for the vaccine development and the vaccination drive he initiated. So he is not getting Trump's cooperation (Whether he could get Trump's cooperation is a whole different matter.) See: Essay: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA. Conservative (talk) 18:49, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
It's not a time to sit on the sidelines, or even worry about the GOP. It's time to confront the Communists trying to overthrow our civilization and destroy our electoral process before November 2022 rolls around. You can't wait on hope, you must take action now. RobSFree Kyle! 19:21, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
For example, Nick Rekieta lays out one specific issue we need to address and educate people on. While the fraud uncovered in Arizona and Georgia may not affect Biden's job, it can affect 3 Democrat Senators' jobs. RobSFree Kyle! 19:36, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
"Republicans Outraise Democrats in Second Quarter ahead of 2022 Midterms".[34]
"The National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) announced this morning that it had raised a record-breaking $45.4 million in the second quarter of the year, more than $20 million of which the group raised in June alone.
The National Democratic Congressional Committee, meanwhile, announced just yesterday that it had a similarly record-breaking haul last quarter, but with a much lower final total, with $36.5 million overall and $14.4 million in June."[35]
There is going to be a big beautiful red wave in 2022.[36] Conservative (talk) 19:38, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
Trump never fumbled the ball. If anything, the threat of COVID was in fact exaggerated, and I can prove it: [37] Pokeria1 (talk) 19:55, July 15, 2021 (EDT)
Trump was subverted by DNC/CCP collusion - that's what the history books will read - assuming we, and free speech, can survive and avoid CCP occupation. RobSFree Kyle! 20:33, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Trump is not the first person to fumble a ball. Moses struck a rock twice and never saw the Promised Land. King David gravely sinned.[38]

Samson fumbled a ball and he was given a second chance to be victorious.

Who knows what is going to happen in 2024? Trump may win the presidency again. Given the tribalism that has developed around the GOP/Democrats, I don't see Joe Biden making much headway getting Republicans to have higher vaccination rates. And I think getting Republicans to have higher vaccination rates is going to be the key to conquering this pandemic in the USA as soon as possible (that's assuming it will end or at least be a seasonal problem). Conservative (talk) 20:37, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Democratic Party theme song for 2022. Conservative (talk) 21:05, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Spelling error needs correcting on main page

It is not "lightening" (that means to lighten something, like bleaching your hair), it is "lightning". Quidam65 (talk) 15:44, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

I fixed it. Thanks. Conservative (talk) 15:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

Breaking

Captain Kirk defects to the Klingons. RobSFree Kyle! 16:54, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

The great seed panic of 2020

With the country under lockdown in the summer of 2020, Americans started receiving unmarked packets of seeds from China. Was China trying to export an invasive plant species, a virus, or other dangerous materials? The USDA suggested it was "brushing", a scam in which a company sends out worthless items to get delivery receipts. Such receipts can be used to improve the placement of product reviews on the Internet.

What really happened is a tale of mass hysteria worthy of a new edition of Charles McKay's classic, Extraordinary Popular Delusions. People had ordered seeds in the spring when China was locked down. Shipment was delayed until summer. By this time, customers had forgotten about the orders. They listened to media reports about "mystery seeds" and a crisis of suggestibility followed: "What do you know, Mildred? I got a packet like that too."

To compound the hysteria, Chinese companies often identified their products as jewelry to make it easier to get past customs. Chris Heath sleuthed this story out. PeterKa (talk) 20:46, July 15, 2021 (EDT)

YouTube bans Carlson for exposing voter fraud

Auditors have hit the voter fraud jackpot in Fulton County, Georgia. See "Internet Explodes After Tucker Airs HARD EVIDENCE of Voter Fraud in Fulton County." How do we know Carlson is on to something? Because YouTube has shut him down with astonishing speed and thoroughness. Carlson videos going back several years have suddenly gone poof. YouTube never shut down a Trump-Russia expose, so it's not like the company cares about accuracy. PeterKa (talk) 12:32, July 16, 2021 (EDT)

the Biden Regime is preparing for a civil war against the American electorate to protect the fraudulent results of the 2020 election. The U.S. Department of Justice has been activated along with The Federal Department of Homeland Security, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the U.S. Intelligence Community and elements of the U.S. Department of Defense. In addition to the full weight of the U.S. government, the Democrat National Committee, the Lawfare alliance, activist groups, the U.S. media cond Big Tech social media platform control agents have all been enlisted. RobSFree Kyle! 12:51, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
On the subject of double scanning of ballots leading to double counting, Carlson cites this story in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. It says that this scenario gave Biden an additional 31 votes. Then there's the issue of mail-in ballots, counts of which varied widely in Fulton. After Biden's unhinged speech attacking voting integrity laws, we have to assume the worst about the Democrats' intentions regarding the 2022 vote. Censoring Carlson is a drill. The next election needs every election watcher it can get. PeterKa (talk) 21:54, July 16, 2021 (EDT)
Big Tech collusion with the White House to censor alleged covid misinformation is a dry run for censoring audit results, which will become a bigger and bigger issue now over the next 30 days.
On a side note, a week ago people said Trump's lawsuit was nuts cause he accuses Big Tech as being "state actors" (the First Amendment is only a restriction on govt., not private actors). Psaki's blatherings over the past two days makes it absolutely clear Facebook and Big Tech are acting on admonitions from the White House, evidence to be use in court. RobSFree Kyle! 00:25, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
If Biden were smart, he'd fire Psaki by now. Well, it only accelerates his downfall, maybe also Harris and Pelosi as well if evidence is uncovered that they too played a role in the steal. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:13, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Unbelievable how Tucker Carlson is #1 in cable news and is cut off for reporting facts that the MSM and big tech do not want us to know about. I wish Tucker covered this earlier, like in November 2020, but he was not honest with his audience then. Patriotic Gamer (talk) 09:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Politico reported that Psaki is already on her way out. Symone Sanders is the next obvious choice, but she's more likely to stick it out with Harris. That leaves Beddingfield, but more likely Karine Jean-Pierre who apparently is being set up for the fall.
As to Harris being in on the steal, you're giving her way too much credit for brains. Not likely. Pelosi OTOH is representative of all the big corrupt Democrat machines throughout the country. She was born into it. RobSFree Kyle! 11:53, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Let's go back to the case of Harris for a moment. Marc Elias was her general counsel during her short-lived presidential candidacy. She was the first choice of the DNC insiders to be heir of Obama and cut off the challenges from the DSA and Bernie Sanders. She was first in, and also first out. The question is, Who was working for who? Was Elias working for Harris or Harris working for Elias? Elias most definitely was the mastermind in the "greatest election fraud organization in history", in the same way he was one of the masterminds (along with John Brennan) in the Russia hoax. Elias hired Christopher Steele. RobSFree Kyle! 12:31, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

"A 2019 report published by the Electoral Integrity Project, an independent project based out of Harvard University, found that U.S. elections from July 2012 through December 2018 rated 'lower than any other long-established democracies and affluent societies.' Each country in the index was given a score out of 100 based on assessments of the quality of each of its elections – including categories such as electoral laws, voter registration and voting process – one month after polls closed." - U.S News and World Report (mainstream news organization), 2019 [39]

The "Democrat Dutchmen" can try to put their fingers in all the emerging holes in their dam to control the narrative about U.S. election, but it's a fool's errand. America needs more election integrity. Conservative (talk) 13:06, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

COVID-19 and Fort Detrick

The Gateway Pundit is pushing a theory that reconciles the rival "CCP bioweapon" and "American bioweapon" theories; one in which the virus was created at Fort Detrick but was then smuggled out by a CCP spy.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:58, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/exclusive-china-infiltrated-u-s-military-biodefense-program-fort-detrick/

(a) Old news. (b) That is not what the article says.
Was there cooperation between American government funded researchers and CCP researchers on gain-of-function research? Yes. Was it developed at Ft. Detrick and smuggled out? No.
Right now, you are quoting verbatim official Communist Chinese line of propaganda. RobSFree Kyle! 15:25, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Where's Jen Psaki and Facebook to snuff out misinformation when you need them? RobSFree Kyle! 15:26, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
The article strongly implies that the virus was snuck out of Detrick by one of the several CCP-linked members of Fauci's NIAID team. This is a theory that endorses a Fort Detrick origin but still places ultimate blame on the CCP.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Nah nah nah. You got Dr. Baric and the North Carolina lab to worry about. RobSFree Kyle! 17:04, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Breaking: Remember, you heard it here first.: Senator Rand Paul Says SARS Weaponization Research Happening Right Now in North Carolina and Texas. RobSFree Kyle! 00:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
The Ft. Detrick lab story is more than a year old already. Mar. 13, 2020. It got recycled this spring after a bizarre shootout at Ft. Detrick. April 6, 2021. RobSFree Kyle! 17:12, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
So obviously Fauci, Daszak, and Baric are anxious to take the heat off NIAID and stick it back on the Pentagon. RobSFree Kyle! 17:15, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
I'm not saying there wasn't Pentagon cooperation with the CCP through Fauci, et al, I'm saying the idea of "smuggling" is b.s. They all were full partners - the Pentagon, NIAID, and the Wuhan lab - knowing what they were doing on gain of function. Trump shut it down. The "smuggle theory" is an obvious effort by the American side to deny responsibility for its involvement.
Now, in the Winnipeg lab case, there you do have evidence of illegal smuggling of samples. RobSFree Kyle! 17:24, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
The American side was simply too trusting, that (a) the Chinese side would follow proper handling and security protocols, and (b) that the CCP would not use it as an offensive bioweapon. Whether or not it began with an accident is totally irrelevant. It was released to the world deliberately by the CCP. RobSFree Kyle! 17:30, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
Let's even assume it was an accidental leak. The CCP could have and should have contained it. They willfully decided not to, and rather made the conscious decision to attack the rest of the planet with it to further their global ambitions. That moment altered the course of history for the rest of the 21st century. The only word that matters now is China#Decoupling, which means the CCP can either be overthrown, or go back into another 3,000 years of isolation. Period. PERIOD. RobSFree Kyle! 17:43, July 17, 2021 (EDT)
I'd like to see the USA pursue a restrained foreign policy, for once. That's what the Founders would've wanted.--Geopolitician (talk) 01:12, July 18, 2021 (EDT)
Restrained in what sense? You mean not sending troops into Haiti so as to not justify a CCP invasion of Taiwan in the immediate future? If Biden does send troops to Haiti, rest assured it's the green light to the CCP to send troops into its own backyard. RobSFree Kyle! 01:18, July 18, 2021 (EDT)
Let me back up for a minute. When I said "overthrown", I mean internally. Two regimes that cannot be overthrown externally are North Korea and the CCP. They cannot be removed by external powers like Hitler and the Nazis were. (If you've seen any number of films, Operation Walkure with Tom Cruise, Sophie Scholl, Taking Sides with Stellan Skarsgard, to name only a few recent, you'll see the difficulty of removing a corrupt regime internally). Not being able to remove a corrupt regime by external force is the price we pay for the scientific progress of living in the nuclear age. Iran is next on the list, that we must decide if the planet wants to live with Mullahs running things in perpetuity, or will the people of Iran ever have some hope of living under a freer system. RobSFree Kyle! 01:47, July 18, 2021 (EDT)

Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA

Joe Biden failed: Canada's vaccination rate overtakes the USA.[40]

For more information, see: Joe Biden may have to become more bipartisan to get Republicans to rally behind Covid-19 vaccination in order to get to herd immunity in the USA.

If only Joe Biden gave Donald Trump credit for Operation Warp Speed and his vaccination drive.

The coronavirus pandemic could plague Biden's presidency, just like it did Trump's presidency.

"There is no limit to the amount of good you can do if you don't care who gets the credit." - Ronald Reagan Conservative (talk) 17:18, July 17, 2021 (EDT)

In related news, the count of "fully vaccinated Texas Democrats" now having COVID is up to five. (Then again, this assumes -- and we know what happens when you do that -- they were telling the truth about being vaccinated. Or having COVID. Or both. We are talking Democrats, after all.) Quidam65 (talk) 11:54, July 19, 2021 (EDT)
They didn't use common sense. Unless the private airplane had some kind of hard core air purification/filtering system, a plane, subway, etc. is going to more dangerous because people are breathing a lot of same air and are in close proximity to each other. They should have been wearing masks/face shield. And in some Asian countries, people don't talk in subways because that increases transmission.
The Democrats in question were swilling beer, wearing no masks and probably talking a lot. That is stupid in the midst of a pandemic - especially with the more transmissable/virulent Delta variant which the vaccines are not as able to tackle. Pride comes before the fall. They thought they were invincible. They were not.
There is the term "common sense", but it is getting less and less common. Conservative (talk) 00:03, July 21, 2021 (EDT)
What that whole episode shows is that Democrats do not believe their own propagands. RobSFree Kyle! 03:27, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

"routine doctor’s appointment"

It was announced by the White House that Kamala Harris went to Walter Reed Hospital for a “routine doctor’s appointment” today. [41]

Yah, right. Everybody has a routine doctor's appointment on Sunday. It is beyond insulting how stupid the WH and MSM think we are. RobSFree Kyle! 01:03, July 19, 2021 (EDT)

First January 6th sentence

After months of listening to the media explain that a violent "insurrection" occurred on January 6, Paul Hodgkins is sentenced to eight months for inhumanity of....carrying a MAGA flag around the Senate chamber: "Capitol rioter, 38, is jailed for EIGHT MONTHS in first felony sentence that could set the bar for hundreds of other defendants." Puerto Ricans nationalists shot five congressmen in House chamber in 1954. Their sentences were commuted by Jimmy Carter. PeterKa (talk) 02:21, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

What a waste of time and money this all is. Everyone knows all 532 people charged (and anybody else in coming months) will all receive full Presidential pardons no later than January 21, 2025. RobSFree Kyle! 02:26, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

These really are some sick people

  • 9 January 2017 - Obama White House lifted the ban on gain-of-function research.[1][2]
  • 11 January 2017 - Anthony Fauci made a presentation at Georgetown University stating that there is “no doubt” Donald J. Trump will be confronted with a surprise infectious disease outbreak during his presidency.[3] Biden chief of staff Ron Klain was also in attendance.[4]

If they can't have their way, nobody can have their way. RobSFree Kyle! 20:47, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

On January 5, 2017, Biden, Obama Susan Rice, et al huddled in the Oval office to discuss how to extend the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump team beyond Obama's term office. On January 9 they activated the Fauci-Daszak-Shi Zhengli line as an insurance policy. On January 12 they reauthorized the FISA warrant for another 90 days, effectively subverting the Trump administration and nominees.

This is beyond partisanship. These people are willing to destroy the country if they can't have or remain in power. RobSFree Kyle! 20:55, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

My understanding is that gain-of-function research continued throughout this period, ban or no ban. In November 2015, Shi and Baric published a paper describing how to insert a covid-like protein spike into a SARS virus. If that's not suspicious, what is? This was financed by Fauci's institute, despite Obama's ban at the time. The P3 regulations issued in January 2017 were even less effective. No grants were approved under this process. The real procedure throughout this period seems to have been that Fauci and Collins approved whatever research they liked and ignored published regulations.[42][43] PeterKa (talk) 22:04, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
Yes, the research did continue throughout "the pause" as they call it, probably funded by the CCP and other public and private funders (even EcoAlliance probably had a reserve fund). When funding did resume, Fauci did not pass the project before the mandatory P3 review board for approval. So it was illegal. RobSFree Kyle!
(sidenote: the people who dole out grants, and the recipients, seem to always get more than they need, stash away portions in "rainy day" funds, should political existencies ever get in the way of long term projects). RobSFree Kyle! 22:40, July 20, 2021 (EDT)
It's looking more and more like the pandemic was another "insurance policy in the event you die before you are 40".
Thus far, I've linked Ron Klain (Trump is "not the kind of leadership we need in our next president....It’s hard to think of a more important time to show a willingness to speak out in the public health community and the global health community than it is right now on the eve of Donald Trump becoming our next president.”) and Lisa Monaco.
So, just as the Carter Page FISA warrant was an insurance policy to cover all the Obama administration's illegal spying on the Trump campaign, thwart his cabinet and staff picks, and derail his administration, the plandemic was an insurance policy against his re-election. RobSFree Kyle! 20:13, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

Understanding the mindset

When the Trinity nuclear test explosion occurred, the United States had troops who were enlisted to fight fascism in trenches 90 yards from ground zero, just to see what would happen. They were incinerated, of course (I will hold back the Nazi medical experiments comparison). Or the cases of feeding radioactive oatmeal to retarded children in CIA experiments of the 1950s. These people, who currently re-constitute the Biden junta, attitude toward human life and the American population is no different. It's no different than the "progress" Mao brought to China in 1950s and 60s. They have no compunction in snuffing out your life in the name of social, political, and most importantly scientific progress. Do not be fooled by anything that comes out their mouths, from Xi Jnping, to his underling Joe Biden, to Jen Paski at the bottom of the totem poll, or anybody in between in the administration or Congress, or outside government, in media, in academia, in large corporations. RobSFree Kyle! 20:30, July 21, 2021 (EDT)

2020 polls were the least accurate in 40 years

The national polls in the last two weeks of the 2020 campaign were off by an average of 4.5 points. The state-by-state polls were off by 5.1 points. The errors were always in Biden's favor. The pollsters have now exhaustively analyzed their performance -- and they are happy with it. You see, accuracy is not what they are after. Modern polling is all about telling Dems what they want to hear. In short, just follow IBD and Trafalgar Group and forget the rest. See "Pollsters: ‘Impossible’ to say why 2020 polls were wrong" and "Pollsters Studying Why 2020 Predictions Were So Wrong Decide to Blame President Trump Saying Mean Things About Them." PeterKa (talk) 20:48, July 20, 2021 (EDT)

Preserving the relics of Jim Crow

Biden is not backing off his claim that the filibuster is "a relic of Jim Crow." So should we abolish it? Not so fast! That would, "throw the entire Congress into chaos, and nothing would get done."[44] How do we square this circle? Biden is a racist and proud of it? Or maybe he is pro-chaos?

It hardly matters that Biden made a hash of the real history of the filibuster. Senate Rule 22, the filibuster rule, was adopted in 1917 as a result of a debate concerning the arming of merchant ships in World War I. It was revised by a liberal Senate in the early 1970s to create the current "silent filibuster." PeterKa (talk) 19:45, July 22, 2021 (EDT)

The original filibuster was 2/3; it was lowered to 3/5 in the 1970s. RobSFree Kyle! 20:03, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
That was the post-Watergate Senate in 1975, one of the most liberal ever. Under the Articles of Confederation, you needed at least nine of the thirteen states to enact a law. Perhaps this was a precedent for two-thirds rule that was established in 1917. PeterKa (talk) 20:59, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
I had a good source on the history of the filibuster a few weeks ago and didn't save somewhere. If I recollect, it was something like 3/4 vote by tradition from the 1840s on til 1917 when they made a 2/3 rule in writing, I think. RobSFree Kyle! 21:21, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
Prior to 1917, there were no time limits. That was the big difference. In 1917 they imposed time limits and a test vote to break it. Before that, if you couldn't break a consensus (by whatever definition) by a headcount, off the floor, a bill simply never got voted on in that session. RobSFree Kyle! 21:25, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
IOWs, after 1917 came Cloture votes, and time limits. The time limits weren't really put to the test until the 1964 Civil Rights Act. By 1975, enough Senators agreed that a filibuster that everyone knew would fail was just a waste of time, so they reformed the system by redefining consensus. Filibusters today are all on paper, rather than speeches on the floor. You get 41 signatures on a piece of paper, and it prevents the Majority Leader from scheduling a vote on the floor. RobSFree Kyle! 21:34, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
When one senator finally gets bought off or defects to the other side, he or the Majority Leader files a Cloture Motion, and a Cloture vote is scheduled. RobSFree Kyle! 21:41, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
During the original filibuster in 1837, Calhoun dared the Senate to pass a "gag rule" to end it. This suggests that the Senate could have ended this filibuster by a majority vote. Later, the Senate used a procedure called "suspension of the rules" to end filibusters. This was abolished in 1915. From 1915 to 1917, there was a curious period when there was no rule to prevent even a single senator from blocking legislation. PeterKa (talk) 21:43, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
Hmmm, wow. And the main issue in those days was to expand in the national debt under the gold standard. RobSFree Kyle! 21:50, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
"under the gold standard" being key to understanding. Under the gold standard, the government was not free to print its way out of debt with inflation. The real debt, in real money, with the labor of real workers and citizens, was the only way to repay the debt. RobSFree Kyle!
The filibuster, and Senate's tradition of "endless debate", begins with the premise that there are certain things that we will never agree on. So it protects the rights of the minority, against the tyranny of the majority.
Now, the 3/5's rule on House apportionment also plays a part here. Democrats were overrepresented in the House under the 3/5's apportionment rule prior to the Civil War. RobSFree Kyle! 22:01, July 22, 2021 (EDT)
Pre-Civil War, the filibuster was sometimes used as a check on the Democrats overrepresentation in the House under the 3/5ths apportionment clause, what was called the Democrats' Slave Power. RobSFree Kyle! 16:53, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

You really don't check, do you?

In your desperate haste to use something, anything to smear your opponents with, you've included a link on the Main Page that says this: "the biggest violators of human rights in the world today are China, a Communist state, and USA, a secular state".

What's this now? Don't you love your country? Tsk tsk, "conservatives". Wilhelm Tell (talk) 10:29, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Wow, just wow. Just as i suspected, cherry picking.
IMO, MPR should be used for headlines, and not Essay space. RobSFree Kyle! 16:49, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
Google trends shows a declining global interest in the keyword "atheism" and various nations have a declining interest in the keyword "atheism" too such as the USA, UK, India, Pakistan, etc. And a news website reported on this matter.[45] That is simply a fact. It's not a smear. That the news website has stories on other matters is incidental.
Recently, I listened to a podcast by Dr. Darrell Bock where he discusses his book Cultural Intelligence: Living for God in a Diverse, Pluralistic World.[46] He pointed out that the Bible says that Christians should be diplomatic to unbelievers. And he pointed out that the Apostle Paul was very diplomatic on Mars Hill where he spoke to the Athenians.
As a result, I have decided to be more diplomatic. So I am not going to lock horns with this person who is clearly spoiling for a fight.
I will briefly say that atheistic ideology historically has the worst human rights record. See: Atheism and human rights violations and Atheism and mass murder
"Fighting not good. Someone always get hurt." - Mr. Miyagi, The Karate Kid[47] Conservative (talk) 18:10, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
Well, he's right about the source. It could have been disclaimed, if you felt the need to use it. RobSFree Kyle! 19:28, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
Disclaimers are easy. You say something like, "The commie leftist site blablabla reports....", or "Even the commie leftist site blablabla says....", or "According to the commie leftist site blablabla...", rather than just tossing it out there as a well-researched fact or something you agree with. RobSFree Kyle! 19:36, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
The source was right about the Google trends data concerning atheism. See also: Google trends - Atheism and agnosticism terms
In addition, I cite:
The fallacy of composition arises when an individual assumes something is true of the whole just because it is true of some part of the whole. I could also mention the genetic fallacy. In short, just because a source is wrong about one matter, doesn't mean it is wrong about all matters. Conservative (talk) 19:41, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
I'm not debating with you the substance of the article. The point here is the failure to disclaim the source, which boomerangs on (1) you, (2) the source, and (3) your argument. RobSFree Kyle! 19:46, July 23, 2021 (EDT
I don't think Wm Tell was spoiling for a fight. He did you a favor, pointing out sloppy research. Just fix it with a disclaimer or bury it. Don't take it personal, and use the criticism to become a more diligent editor. RobSFree Kyle! 19:53, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

A final message to User: Wilhelm Tell: I would also point out that I am merely a sojourner in the world and the USA. And empires, countries, ideologies and news websites come and go. But truth is enduring. And I reported correctly on the Google trends data and so did my source.

A message to RobS: I disclaim nothing. I stand by the article I cited and the information in it. Conservative (talk) 19:56, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, it is a general Indian news website. It is not some commie/liberal website. India is pretty conservative country (marriage, male/female roles, etc.). Just because you disagree with a website's particular article doesn't make it communist and liberal website. That is very myopic thinking.
The US foreign policy was not very good from Bill Clinton to Obama. G.W. Bush's Iraqi war was a mess in terms of needless deaths. So it not surprising that the USA has critics in terms of its human rights record. That is one of the reasons why Donald Trump was elected. Americans were sick of needless and costly wars and military escapades.
The history of man is full of bloodshed. No country's hands are clean. It is just a matter of degrees. To think otherwise, is to not know history and to engage in utopian thinking. On the whole, when you compare to USA's human right's history with many others, it is respectable. The USA has a lot of freedom and prosperity compared to many countries - certainly more than in China. Conservative (talk) 20:17, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
I looked at the bottom of the pages of OpIndia. It appears to be a right-wing, nationalist Indian website that is an alternative to mainstream Indian news websites. It is certainly not a communist website. Conservative (talk) 20:37, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
I spoke a little early, I forgot or didn't realize that you actually did cite the source by name on MPR. Sorry. But as Wm Tell suggests, perhpas a bit more qualification to disclaim the source. You can simply use the author's name for economy of space, rather than the site name or characterizing it as such-and-such. This at least detaches it from yourself, and still stands as a statement of fact. RobSFree Kyle! 20:54, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
Like this: "According to Joe Blow: Blablabla..." 20:57, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
I triple down on not disclaiming. I almost feel sorry for the conservatives who give groveling apologies to secular leftists.
"The third thing to remember when undergoing an SJW-attack is to never apologize for anything you have done." - Vox Day, author of SJWs always lie.
Martin Luther is one of my heroes.
"Here I stand I stand. I can do no other". Conservative (talk) 23:32, July 23, 2021 (EDT)
Conservative, please answer a question, a simple question: Suppose someone removed books from the bible, would you view them with reverence or with scorn? I'm asking because that's EXACTLY what Martin Luther did during his revolt, so I'd probably not consider him a hero if you're against removing books from the bible. I know if I were in your situation and I viewed him as a hero initially, learning he removed books from the bible would be more than enough to pull a 180 and view him as a monster overnight. Heck, James 2:24, one of the books he removed, promoted merit, a key ingredient to Capitalism and especially the work ethic, so you can't even call it the Protestant Work Ethic since the protestants under Luther if anything tried to GUT the work ethic. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:49, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
Bzzzt...wrong. James 2:24 does not promise a reward for work.
All it says is that works are evidence of faith. It is not an offer from God for a quid pro quo. RobSFree Kyle! 08:40, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
I don't think you understand. It was moved to the appendix because it advocated for a merit-based system, which conflicts with Luther's "faith alone" policy, meaning it was not considered part of the bible if it's not in the specific text (appendices don't count as being part of the actual bible). Either way, you still haven't answered the question of how you'd feel about someone removing books from the bible (and yes, moving it to the appendix counts as removing them). Pokeria1 (talk) 16:05, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
Bzzzt...wrong again. You do not have to prove your faith to man [people] for salvation. This passage specifically addresses the problem of proving your sincerity (for example, in preaching the gospel) to men [people], not God. Further, the passage (a) makes no promise of reward, and (b) does not imply that salvation comes from man [people] for displaying goods works. RobSFree Kyle! 18:12, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
Did you even READ the article in question? It specifically stated that Luther removed it due to doctrinal issues from his personal views. I'll even quote it for you with emphasis added.
"In the 16th century, Martin Luther adopted the Jewish list, putting the Deuterocanonical books in an appendix. He also put the letter of James, the letter to the Hebrews, the letters of John, and the book of Revelation from the New Testament in an appendix. He did this for doctrinal reasons (for example: 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 supports the doctrine of purgatory, Hebrews supports the existence of the priesthood, and James 2:24 supports the Catholic doctrine on merit). Later Lutherans followed Luther’s Old Testament list and rejected the Deuterocanonical books, but they did not follow his rejection of the New Testament books."
Either way, I was talking to Conservative when trying to point out that his hero Martin Luther removed books from the Bible, even going as far as to remove books from the New Testament, and he STILL hasn't answered the question on what he thinks of people who remove books from the bible. Pokeria1 (talk) 06:57, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
Are we still recycling that old, lame argument?
  • Whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do,
  • Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Is God some kinda idiot, that he can't make himself understood? Oh, do we need it spelled out in the NT?
  • If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.
Martin Luther has zero, nothing, absolutely nothing to do with understanding James 2:24. The answer to that question is strictly between you, and God. RobSFree Kyle! 08:07, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
Actually, my point with the argument was trying to address to Conservative here that his hero Martin Luther removed books from the bible and demanded to know what Conservative's views were on removing books from the Holy Book. I wasn't even originally planning on adding James 2:24 until I saw that bit in the article and, remembering his constantly referring to Capitalism as the protestant work ethic decided to point out that Luther, the guy who founded Protestantism if anything tried to get RID of the work ethic, aka, merit. And no, God, an omniscient being, is NOT an idiot, obviously. Pokeria1 (talk) 08:20, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
bla bla bla
  • For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. RobSFree Kyle! 09:56, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
Lemme 'splain (and this has nothing to do with the truth or validity of the scripture): Martin Luther, a flawed man who would be the first to admit it, saw 406 years ago some idiots might get confused by James 406 years hence, so he tossed it out. RobSFree Kyle! 10:00, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
IOWs (to put it bluntly) Martin Luther was trying to do people like yourself a favor, the prevent them from looking like idiots. But you wanna keep stepping in the doggie doodoo. RobSFree Kyle! 10:15, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
Wow. You could not be more wrong. The issue is information in a citation that you provided that is wrong ("the biggest violators of human rights in the world today are China, a Communist state, and USA, a secular state"). And your only response is "Here I stand." Wow. RobSFree Kyle! 01:26, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

I am not going to check every article on a website before I share an article online. That's a ridiculous and unreasonable standard. Guilt by association is a logical fallacy. Conservative (talk) 01:34, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

RobS, I misunderstood. I thought there was another article on the website that contained that errant quote. I did not know it was in the same article that I shared. I did not read the entire article as I am very familiar with online atheism statistics. I deleted the article from main page right. Conservative (talk) 01:38, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Zhengzhou flooding

Q. What happened?

Heavy rains caused workers at a reservoir to open the flood gates. People downstream in a city of 12 million were not notified for 13 hours. 6,000 commuters drowned in an underground tunnel 5.5 km long, and hundreds died in underground subways.

CCP/Western MSM/CNN version:

A once in a 1,000 year heavy rain, caused by global warming, caused 200mm or three months' average rainfall to fall in 1 hour, causing 33 deaths. RobSFree Kyle! 07:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Or a judgement of God for the communist persecution of the Christians.[48] It's tough to determine the ultimate cause of the heavy rain. It does seem to be of biblical proportions! Conservative (talk) 09:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
"With pestilence and bloodshed I will enter into judgment with him, and I will rain upon him and his hordes and the many peoples who are with him torrential rains and hailstones, fire and sulfur." - Ezekiel 38:22.
It seems to me that China has had quite a bit of pestilence and rain in the past year or two. Conservative (talk) 09:25, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Interesting insights but I haven't been able to find any online corroboration. Do you have a source for the 6000+ dead? Rafael (talk) 09:49, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
The estimate is based on 2 persons per vehicle in the tunnel that hold a maximum capacity of approximately 3,000 vehicles in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic. The tunnel was completely flooded in about 5 minutes, as drivers continued to enter it in rush hour traffic.
The estimate of 2 persons per vehicle is a bit high by U.S. standards, but can probably be taken at face value for urban Chinese commuters.
I posted a summary of this 39 min video. The lady's English is not the best, but I've watched the video in its entirety more than twice now. RobSFree Kyle! 17:42, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Ultimately, it will be the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation which will publish official figure based on the evidence. In the case of the early Wuhan epidemic, which claimed over 45,000 lives in two or three months (versus the official CCP figure of 3,000 used by Johns Hopkins science experts), the Victims of Communism Foundation was fairly timely in publishing a figure. RobSFree Kyle! 17:57, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Here's an excerpted portion from the Youtube-generated transcript (I tried to correct a few errors):

again you see only beautiful or not too bad images; you won't see any of the real situation. this is what the ccp is allowing you to see. you will never see the videos i show you. so now let's place uh another video. say yes, so the left side is how the ccp is report about the flood and the right side is the real situation in Zhengzhou. can you see the difference[?] what worries me is the western media either because they don't have reporters inside china or because they just want to repeat what the ccp is saying are basically just copying or using ccp's images or videos about the flat [flood] and they also adopted the ccp's official dash [death] number as just as they did during the ccp virus or covet 19 pandemic. i saw an audience member in holland saying that the tv news in holland was just repeating cctv's positive news and the mainstream media in the u.s such as nbc abc cnn reuters are all saying that this is a once in a thousand years heavy rain resulting from global warming etc. no mentioning of the human errors, city construction problems, or man-made tragedies...

Leftist British Press

Conservapedia continues to have a blind spot when it comes to the UK, the latest example being the comment about the Leftist British press.

The British press can be mapped across to axes: serious to trivial, and politically leftist to politically right. The Daily Mail, a newspaper often cited here as conservative, is somewhat conservative but tends to be socially liberal and, as a glance at it's website will show, very trivial.

In all, there are two leftist national newspapers in the UK: the Mirror and the Guardian. The rest are solidly aligned with the Conservative Party.

We can see the Conservative Party as stretching from David Cameron closest to the centre and Boris Johnson's backers to the right - we can leave Johnson out of this because he is at best a political opportunist with a personal life that would have him cashiered from any regiment of the British Army. Of the serious newspapers, the Times aligns with Camweron's centre right position.

Firmly on the right, we have the Daily Telegraph - home of James Delingpole who now runs Breitbart's UK office. For some reason, it is cited as part of the Leftist British press.

You have UK visitors. Check things with us. We won't even charge you, although prayers and blessings are always gratefully accepted! Rafael (talk) 09:48, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

The Telegraph now has a paywall. I suppose people can get around it using the Wayback Machine or by subscribing. Conservative (talk) 10:17, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
The Daily Mail is an interesting and very good case study as to what has happened to print publications since the 1990s and online mass communications. Prior to internet, the Daily Mail had a reputation like the U.S. National Enquirer, only it was published daily and not weekly. As it expanded its market with internet, like The Guardian, it recognized the gaps in the U.S., controlled mainstream media, and stepped in. It began to take steps to improve the quality of its reporting and reputation, covering subjects U.S. controlled MSM studiously avoided (The Guardian does the same thing). The domestic National Enquirer likewise has attempted to follow this marketing strategy, as The New York Times became hell-bent on destroying its own reputation (example: the Russia pee-tape).
So yes, it's true. Most American readers are not familiar with DM's UK reputation. But America is the land of opportunity, and so long as DM continues to be dedicated to improving the quality of its reputation and reporting, and the boldness it shows in tackling subjects the elitist-controlled MSM in the US deems off-limits, it does not need to invent things out of thin air like alien abductions. There is enough real life shockers with the Russia hoax, the laptop from hell, Jeffrey Epstein, the Clinton Foundation, etc etc etc for anyone. RobSFree Kyle! 18:19, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Let's take The Guardian, for example; it was a Guardian reporter who a GOP candidate in remote Montana picked up and body-slammed for sticking a microphone in his face. Why does a reporter from the London equivalent of the Washington Post feel the need to take an airline flight to Montana (no direct flights, he has to transfer at Minneapolis, pay hotel bills, etc) to harass a Republican congressional candidate, to manufacture a global news story, for a story the domestic MSM would otherwise ignore? RobSFree Kyle! 18:32, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for explaining the British media to me. Rafael (talk) 10:43, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Hey, we're the ones who have to live with this invasion of UK media. Question: Why does The Guardian feel the necessity to cover a Montana GOP candidate that the Helena Daily Rag, the Podunck Idaho Screed Sheet, the NYT, NBC, CNN, WaPo, etc, etc, etc ignore? Answer: Simple. The London commies are fearful a Trump-supporting congressman will vote to cut NATO, imperiling the UK's ability to fund the National Health System. Now, will the commie MSM in the US cover and explain b.s like this? RobSFree Kyle! 18:23, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
I am glad the USA/UK have a very cordial relationship ("special relationship). It gives us great alternative news outlets and also a place to emigrate if the USA becomes intolerable at some point. Ireland is also a great potential place to emigrate. In addition, the UK gave us other alternatives to emigrate to such as The Commonwealth Countries.
Also, Pilgrim's Progress is my favorite fiction work. Conservative (talk) 14:52, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Kamala Harris and the 25th Amendment

I don't see anything happening on this front until January 2022.

Remember the text says that the most that any person can serve as President is 10 years. If she could get it invoked tomorrow, she could only serve one full term afterwards. BUT if she holds out until January 20th rolls around (or, to be safe, maybe the 22nd or 23rd) and then gets it invoked, she would serve less than a two-year period, thus allowing her to win two rigged elections for full terms. Thus allowing her to finish off the Republic once and for all (barring the End Times). Quidam65 (talk) 14:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

It will never happen. Liberals/leftists always double down. Joe Biden will resign first "to spend more time with his family". Or they will keep Joe Biden away from reporters/public and not agree to presidential debates if they have to.
Joe Biden and/or his advisors gave Kamala Harris the poison chalice of the Mexican border issue and now she is more unelectable. Kamala Harris is a political train wreck. Conservative (talk) 14:32, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
We'd have to look at the language of the 22th Amendment a little closer. As I understand it, a person is limited to being elected twice and two years of his/hers/their/they/them/its (assuming they're human and not a nanoclone) predecessor's term, which could mean the actual limitation is ten years. Am I right? If so, Kamala could take over tomorrow, stuff the ballot box twice, and be forced to hand over the reins of power about 18 months before the end of her second term. RobSFree Kyle! 21:37, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
It's a peculiar provision in the constitution. If the above scenario came about, in the 2028 election, one candidate would be running for a four year term, whereas the other ticket both candidates would be running for president, the public knowing the VP will become president for the 18 month remainder of the four year term. RobSFree Kyle! 21:49, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
The drafters of the 22nd Amendment erred on the side of longterm continuity, rather than short-term chaos and instability. Why should a popular VP who succeeds to office be penalized and limited, and the voters restricted in their choice for a popular figure, because of the unfortunate death a predecessor? RobSFree Kyle! 21:55, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Kamala is unelectable in a national election. She has all the likelability and charisma of a dead, rotting fish. At most, she has all the likeability and charisma of a skunk. A video of Kamala campaigning can be found HERE. Conservative (talk) 22:31, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Actually, we're not discussing the electability of Kamala Harris. We are discussing the internal division within the junta between the establishment Biden faction and the progressive Kamala faction, their ongoing efforts to subvert each other. Kamala holds a trump card with the 25th Amendment, so the establishment Biden faction is waging a PR war to demonize Harris with leaks. Biden is fighting off a coup from his VP.
Biden had no say in selecting Kamala - it was the price he paid Rep. Jim Clyburn for his support on the eve of the Super Tuesday primary, when Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and other contenders dropped out. Clyburn and the Obama power base delivered the black vote to Biden in exchange for their picking the VP spot for their return to power, knowing Biden was unlikely to finish his term. RobSFree Kyle! 01:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Political partisans, news information bubbles, confirmation bias and the coronavirus pandemic.

"A 2012 survey conducted by Fairleigh Dickinson University asked a sample of Americans about their news-consumption habits, and quizzed them about U.S. and international political and economic events. They found that those watching the most partisan television news sources—on both the left and the right — were often less knowledgeable about world events than those who consumed no news at all." - Arthur C. Brooks (former president of the American Enterpise Institute) [50]

I am glad I read a variety of sources about the coronavirus pandemic and did not drink the Kool-Aid that various parts of the political pendulum were peddling. Conservative (talk) 15:50, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

"Like, I mean, if there is some disease out there — maybe there’s just an ebb and flow to life where something’s supposed to wipe out a certain amount of people, and that’s just kind of the way evolution goes. Vaccines kind of stand in the way of that.” - Rob Schmitt, A right-wing, anchor at Newsmax and former anchor at Fox News[51]
What's next the war on antiobiotics, pharmaceuticals and surgeries?Conservative (talk) 16:31, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
On the liberal/leftists side of the political spectrum, we had the ignoring and/or foolish criticism of Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment (which is a great way to treat coronavirus patients).Conservative (talk) 16:39, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
<ahem, Cons, you and Karajou swallowed the CCP/Fauci line about the bat-stew flu hook, line, and sinker from the gitgo.> RobSFree Kyle! 18:47, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Early on, I added material about the lab theory to an article of mine when it was suggested to me to do so. See: Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic.Conservative (talk) 20:09, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
P.S. Rob "Biden Junta" Smith, I hope you are not saying you are more open-minded and reasonable than me! Conservative (talk) 20:15, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
RobS, I have one very emphatic word for you: FINLAND! See: Essay: An observation about the countries that handled the coronavirus pandemic well so far. And let's look at Finland..
Finland handled the pandemic better than the USA.
The USA is going to find out the price of freedom and the price of having a poor educational system, poor journalism and substandard politicians. I predict Finland will keep weathering the pandemic storm well.
Finland has a lot of freedom and it also has a better educational system, better journalism and better politicians than many countries. Conservative (talk) 19:44, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
That's after the fact. I'm referring to initial reporting. RobSFree Kyle! 19:55, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
"According to the article Understanding Finnish Culture is Key to Thriving in Finland, "Finns have a reputation for reticence, thoughtfulness and unemotional behavior. They are quiet, reflective, somber and, for some, seemingly stubborn and standoffish. They are unwilling to speak unless they have something of importance to say. There is a saying that when a Finn says something, they really mean it."[52]
Finland in July of 2021: "Most of the infections are currently traced to domestic sources, such as the gatherings of young people in bars. With almost 60 per cent of the infections reported last week were detected in 10–29-year-olds, young people and young adults should both reduce social contacts that increase the risk of infection and get vaccinated as soon as possible, according to THL. Vaccine uptake has improved rapidly also in the age group, with more than a half of over 20-year-olds receiving the first vaccine injection."[53]
My projection: The thoughtful and adaptable Finns are going to handle the pandemic better than stubborn Americans who attended public schools with low standards.[54] Conservative (talk) 19:59, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

A poll by The Associated Press and the NORC Center for Public Affairs Research found that 35% of American adults who have not yet received a vaccine say they probably will not get the shot, and 45% say they definitely will not.[55]

Many Americans are going to find out the price of stubbornness and/or the price of being poorly educated. Conservative (talk) 20:03, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

Go ahead, ignore what I said. Your blathering is after the fact. RobSFree Kyle! 20:13, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
You are just as responsible for spreading covid misinformation as the CCP and Dr. Fauci. No citation can bail you out. The more you talk, the deeper the hole you dig. RobSFree Kyle! 20:16, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Again, early on, I added material about the lab theory to an article of mine when it was suggested to me to do so. See: Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic.
I just posted above: Rob "Biden Junta" Smith, I hope you are not saying you are more open-minded and reasonable than me! Conservative (talk) 20:17, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
You parroted the CCP/Fauci line from the beginning. It's a fact anyone can easily check. Incidentally, Per Conservapedia, the United States is a Constitutional Republic(de jure) Junta (de facto). I didn't put it there. If you think the election was not stolen and wish to parrot the DNC/MSM party line, go ahead and revert. RobSFree Kyle! 20:20, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
"Junta: In modern usage it refers to a military council that rules a country following a coup d'état, before constitutional rule is restored. In Latin America juntas are normally formed by the chiefs of the army, air force, and navy." - Oxford Reference.[56]
There is no Biden junta. Keep being a partisan and stubborn American. If only you were more like the present-day Finnish with a cultural heritage of Protestantism.
"Why can't a partisan American be more like a Finn with a cultural heritage of Protestantism? Finns are so honest, so thoroughly square; Eternally noble, historically fair. Who, when you win, will always give your back a pat. Why can't a partisan American be like that? One Finn in a million may shout a bit. Now and then, there's one with slight defects. One perhaps whose truthfulness you doubt a bit, But by and large they are a marvelous nation!" - Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady (Very loosely paraphrased)[57] Conservative (talk) 20:35, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
"modern usage", you mean the American Marxist-controlled MSM usage. RobSFree Kyle! 21:03, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
Update on Finland. RobSFree Kyle! 21:08, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
The native Finns are assuming that their Muslim immigrants are as reasonable as them. Tragic mistake! Well being Finns, I am sure they will learn quickly from their mistake in this matter. Conservative (talk) 22:27, July 24, 2021 (EDT)
In America, we call Finns 'Yoopers'. Be forewarned: they have the strangest sense of humor you'll ever meet, and a pastie is not something a stripper wears, it's the driest Hot Pocket you'll ever choke on without gravy. And that Lake Superior whitefish is about as appetizing as Lutefisk all those Swedes and Norwegians in the Mini Apple love. RobSFree Kyle! 02:18, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

I love pasties. I ate some in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. And if I am not mistaken gravy or ketchup is usually put on them.[58] At the places I bought pasties, they had gravy with them.Conservative (talk) 06:54, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Well, according to Yoopers, they made them for miners to carry into the mines in their pockets, so they must have ate them cold. But even though they're available everywhere in the UP, even at gas stations, they could use a little ketchup or gravy. RobSFree Kyle! 07:50, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
And Yoopers called Lower Michaganders below the bridge Trolls long before it entered internet slang, so they still respectfully use a capital "T" to deliniate. RobSFree Kyle! 07:57, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

God emperor Trump: Chosen by heaven

Viareggio is a city in Tuscany whose carnival should be a lot more famous: All embrace me. It's my time to rule at last. Fifteen years have all been waiting. No man alive or dead commands me. I answer to the Lord. Hear my orders. Question me and die. PeterKa (talk) 05:22, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

I never liked the whole "God emperor Trump". It's a cult of personality type thinking. See: Essay: 12 signs American politics is becoming more cultlike. Conservative (talk) 07:06, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
Become? We're already there since the founding of this country with our reverence of the Founding Fathers instead of having an explicit dedication of Jesus Christ, our lord and savior. Ask Christopher A. Ferrara. But I do agree that "God Emperor Trump" isn't a good way at all. I may respect the guy, but I don't view him as a God. There's only one God. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:52, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
You should click and watch the video. I found it entertaining (and guaranteed to trigger liberals). The lyrics say "I answer to the Lord." That's pretty orthodox for a modern-day pop tune. PeterKa (talk) 09:05, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Italian "scientist" is actually a model, actress and television personality

Italian "scientist" Eleonora Brigliadori is actually a model, actress and television personality. The "In the News" item "Italian scientist warns against graphene" should be corrected to read "Italian media personality. warns against graphene". — Dave Wilcox (talk) 22:47, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Hmmm? "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV?" How come the American MSM shut off real doctors in white lab coats when they tried to inform the American public about the scam? RobSFree Kyle! 22:55, July 25, 2021 (EDT)
Jesus: "I am the way, the truth, and the life."
Fauci: "To attack me is to attack science and truth."
What are we suppose to believe? RobSFree Kyle! 22:57, July 25, 2021 (EDT)

Looks like some anonymous troll put some uncited original research in Wikipedia. [59] Wikipedia leftists really need to revise how they set up smears and slanders. It's getting old. No wonder nobody believes them anymore RobSFree Kyle! 02:05, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

So let's get back to the main point, the term "scientist". Is Bill Gates a scientist? Is Dr. Fauci a scientist? Is attacking Fauci attacking science? Is attacking Fauci attacking truth? Now, if we can receive clear explanations to these questions, the OP may have raised a valid point. RobSFree Kyle! 02:09, July 26, 2021 (EDT)
I didn't get the information about Eleanora Brigliadori from Wikipedia. It was in a comment under the Rumble video to which the "In the News" entry linked. In fact, subsequent to my comment on 25 July the title of the video was changed from "Italian Doctor Warns 18 Months After Taking "Vaccine" People Will Start Dropping Like Flies" to "Italian Actress Warns 18 Months After Taking "Vaccine" People Will Start Dropping Like Flies". A cursory search using DuckDuckGo seems to confirm it. No mention of Brigliadori being a scientist or doctor. — Dave Wilcox (talk) 14:51, July 31, 2021 (EDT)
Oh good. What is a scientist? Something holy? A title conferred? Seems to me anyone who can add and two and two to make four qualifies as a scientist. But I have scientific evidence to make valid doubts about many who claim the coveted title. RobSFree Kyle! 15:57, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

The 2024 election page is up

The page is here. Feel free to update it as you wish!--Geopolitician (talk) 13:36, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

First things first. Where's the 2022 Midterm elections page? RobSFree Kyle! 16:22, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

The most devastating video on the Internet

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1420195710750838792 RobSFree Kyle! 07:49, July 28, 2021 (EDT)

Russian collusion

In just six months, America has gone from being an oil exporter to an oil importer, with Russia being our second biggest supplier. [60] That, with the Nord Stream II pipeline, is making Vladimir Putin rich. Why aren't we talking about it? RobSFree Kyle! 22:17, July 31, 2021 (EDT)

I got my vaccine

I got my first covid vaccine shot yesterday. My arm is still a bit sore, but basically I've had no reaction worth mentioning. Just before they give you the vaccine, they tell you that it is experimental and that it doesn't have FDA approval. So we are all guinea pigs.

According to the CDC, 50 percent of Americans are fully vaccinated and 60 percent have had at least one dose. If you look at the chart, Americans over 40 have all been vaccinated. Teenagers are the least likely to be vaccinated. Yet the media tells us that vaccine resistance is a right-wing conspiracy.

The Wall Street Journal has an op-ed by former junk bond kingpin Michael Milken that calls for a huge increase in virus research: "Covid Is the 21st Century’s Sputnik." Bill Gates, Fauci's closest email buddy, has been financing both vaccine education as well as the efforts to develop genetically engineered coronaviruses in Wuhan. In short, it was a giant blackmail scheme. It reminds me of the anthrax mailings. In that case, the perpetrator was a bioweapons scientist (Bruce Ivins) who didn't think his field was getting enough funding. FBI Director Robert Muller manipulated Ivins into committing suicide, which suggests the evidence against him was shaky. Gates and his minions need to do some hard time. PeterKa (talk) 11:16, August 1, 2021 (EDT)

The Democrat's latest tactic is demonizing the unvaccinated, see Brietbart. If you think that the vaccine protects you, why would you worry about whether others are vaccinated or not? PeterKa (talk) 14:47, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
They're not even pretending anymore with Arbeit Macht Frei; they're only too willing to cut everybody an unemployment check. RobSFree Kyle! 15:14, August 1, 2021 (EDT)
If you are under 30, your chance of dying of covid is one in 100,000. So the goal of full vaccination is someone on a power trip.[61] PeterKa (talk) 02:49, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
The two cites linked here ([4]&[5}) in this one sentence stub explain what is happening: Delta variant panic. The Dems need lockdowns by Oct-Nov. next year to stuff the ballot box again with mail-in ballots for the Midterms.
Bottomline: coronavirus and its variants are permanently with the human species now, like polio, Ebola, the common cold, etc. RobSFree Kyle! 03:26, August 2, 2021 (EDT)

DOJ agrees to release Trump's taxes

The Biden DOJ has issued a memo directing the IRS to provide Trump's tax returns to a trio of congressional committees that have subpoenaed them.[62] This case went before the U.S. Supreme Court in July 2020. The court ruled that a sitting U.S. president could be exempt because of separation of powers concerns. To overrule the court and release the returns anyway is a partisan exercise. The next time Republicans gain control of either the House or the Senate, they should subpoena the tax returns of Pelosi and the other Dem leaders. Hey, no separation of powers or constitutional issue there.

There are of course financial disclosure laws for presidential candidates. But these do not require the release of tax returns. So why do candidates release them? This is often seen as a "good government" issue. But that's not actually the reason candidates do it. Back in 1973, someone at the IRS leaked Nixon's returns. Since that time, candidates have figured that they are better off releasing their returns themselves. PeterKa (talk) 22:13, August 1, 2021 (EDT)


Paul Roberts Denialism

Why are the deranged views of Paul Roberts being promoted on the Main Page? He uses the same warped criticism of Covid vaccines as he does for holocaust denial. Is this the slippery slope Conservapedia wants to pursue? [63]

I see Roberts is also a 9/11 Truther.[64] PeterKa (talk) 15:41, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
Roberts' record speaks for itself. He was United States Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy under Reagan and helped defeat the Soviet Union and end the Cold War. He's seen the Deep State close up, and never became part of it. Does he hold some controversial views? Perhaps. Will leftist smears and MSM rot destroy him? I think not. RobSFree Kyle!
Roberts had a big hand in crafting the economic recovery Russia and the United States have endured since 1981, freeing both economies from the leftist totalitarian stranglehold both economies suffered from the 1930s on (and in the case of Russia, before). Roberts was Treasury Undersecretary during the Reagan defense buildup (which gave us internet, cell phones, etc., and Democrats said would never work), while the KGB's only response was global warming hoax propaganda and Marxist infiltration of American public schools. In many ways, Roberts is an architect of the modern world. RobSFree Kyle! 19:36, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
Roberts is not some punk Millenial shooting from the hip Twitter blather on public policy. Roberts speaks from experience, even before Trump, that a man can go to Washington, affect public policy and alter the disastrous course leftists have set for the planet, and remain independent, uncontaminated by Deep State bureaucrats and technocrats. RobSFree Kyle! 19:49, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
Look what Wikipedia says:
Roberts has expressed skepticism at the ability of government to lower taxes and decrease regulation, positing that the personal political ambition of officeholders tends to promote meddling in the economy, a criticism he has directed even at the former Reagan administration of which he was a part.[22]
Ron Hira of the Economic Policy Institute has described Roberts as one of the first prominent economists to "break from the orthodoxy" by opposing offshoring; Roberts believes that the practice is "lethal for America's future".[23] According to him, "a country that doesn't make anything doesn’t need a financial sector as there is nothing to finance".[24] In 2004, Paul Blustein in the Washington Post described him as heretical in relation to mainstream US economics for challenging the positive impact of free trade.[25]
Wow. Prophetic. It was the Clinton globalists who sold us out to China and NAFTA. But it was Roberts in the Reagan era who championed new technology and "high technology" before the words "high tech" came into existence. Those spinoffs to the consumer market became internet and cell phones (in the parlance of the 1980s, it was known as "Tax cuts for R & D ", which the communist Democrats and MSM called "tax cuts for business" and "tax cuts for the rich". If not for Paul Roberts, you'd still be licking postage stamps). RobSFree Kyle! 20:13, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
Yes, Roberts has such experience. But many of his political views are absolutely horrid. Go spend some time on his website and you'll see what I (and PeterKa) are talking about.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:33, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
Yes, I'm very familiar with it. And yes, I take umbrage with some of his historical interpretations and understanding, vis a vis American history and World War II. Coming from the field of history, however, I won't criticize him for publishing the research - that needs to be done in the field of history - it is the nature of the craft. I'm weary of arguments often that go, "this disproves this or that". History is a field that just needs compilation, and readers can take their own conclusions, IMO. RobSFree Kyle! 21:01, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
Brief comment on Robert's essay linked above: It is an historical consensus in Germany and the West that Hitler wanted World War II to begin over the Sudeten crisis. He was robbed of his war, and knew it. Hitler knew the delay of one year only gave more time to the U.S., Soviet Union, and Great Britain to prepare for a war they all knew was inevitable. Had Hitler had his war in 1938, the outcome most certainly could have been different.
This leads to a discussion about what German historians call Functionalism vs. Intentionalism. Why did Hitler begin a war he knew he would lose? Intentionalism is the answer. Hitler never expected to conquer the Soviet Union, he intended to bring about the Holocaust.
As to the Churchill/Stalin alliance that FDR used to preserve capitalist Imperialism, that's another matter which Roberts, unfortunately, co-mingles with Intentionalism. That's all that I can be say on that matter. RobSFree Kyle! 21:32, August 2, 2021 (EDT)
So you are pro-appeasement? If the war had started in 1938, the allies would have started with the Sudeten fortresses, which would have put Hitler at a disadvantage. Hitler may have been eager for war, but his generals were ready to stage a coup to prevent it. Roberts calls neo-Nazi David Irving "without any doubt the best historian of the European part of World War II." Here is a video on Irving by Tik, my favorite WWII blogger: "David Irving - Can you trust ANYTHING he wrote?"
When Obama made his deal with Iran, critics compared him to Chamberlain. The liberal media responded by bringing up all the old arguments for appeasement. The trick is to ignore the Sudeten fortresses and pretend that Chamberlain sacrificed nothing of value at the Munich conference. PeterKa (talk) 11:48, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
I am foresquare an intentionalist. In 1938, Hitler had a chance of securing his Lebensraum in Chechoslovakia, Poland and modern Belarus in a wider war. The war may have lasted to 1950 or 1952. By 1939, it was a gamble. The war was lost by February 1942. Hitler knew it, basically everybody knew it. So the remainder of the time was used in his extermination campaign - which was his intention all along, win or lose.
Appeasement, in retrospect, worked out. It became a dirty word, and was the cause of the U.S. involvement in Korea and Vietnam. In retrospect again, it was just the political rhetoric of the day. As Clausewitz said, if it is to your opponent's advantage to attack now, it is to your disadvantage to be attacked. In war, there has to be a mutual agreement to fight.
The United States and most of the planet are appeasing China right now.
As to Irving, never read him, but understand the jist of his argument. He's a functionalist. Yes, it is true, the British Empire went out of business 7 years after their finest hour. Basically, Hitler never understood why Britain was fighting against him. He always felt Germany and England should be natural allies, both racially and as capitalists, against Soviet communism. Bottomline: WWII cost Britain its empire, if you want to call that victory. RobSFree Kyle! 17:49, August 3, 2021 (EDT)
Appeasement didn't work out so well back in 2004 with the Spaniards after the Muslims conducted their terror attack, nor did it work in Vichy France. Pokeria1 (talk) 20:50, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
Much is overblown about the 1938 Appeasement because much has been written about it. A little more than 15 years later, it was critics of the Munich pact that caused the UN to draw the line at the 38th parallel in Korea - without calculating the consequences. Both sides were known to have nuclear weapons, yet that consideration doesn't seem to have entered into the decision to go to war. Let me stress again, in war, there must be a mutual agreement to fight.
In the Second World War, the best illustration of this mutual understanding to fight was the war in North Africa, which accomplished little or nothing, consumed manpower and material, over territory nobody wanted. Gen. MacArthur was a huge critic of the North Africa campaign, claiming the wasted resources there should have been given to him to fight the Japanese in the Pacific. (Does anyone really believe Hitler wanted Lebensraum in Libya?)
By the time Hitler made his January 30, 1939 Reichstag speech, he knew his chance of winning a world war was less than a coin toss, and he was daring the West (Britain and France at that time) to not appease him one more time - and ultimately trying to share the blame or the guilt for his decision to move ahead with a "Final Solution" if they declared war. That was the purpose of announcing it publicly.
So let me be clear on my view - which I think is born out by historical facts. The 1938 Appeasement was not a standing policy. It was flexible, that could be changed in short order. Yet post-war writers and foreign policy experts treated it as if it was a policy written in stone, and forever to be avoided in the future. Why then did the West appease Xi Jinping when he just committed the same "Crimes Against Peace" and International Law last year that the Nuremberg defendants were accused of? or Putin did in 2014 in Crimea? RobSFree Kyle! 01:17, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
The United States abandoned its policy of "not appeasing aggressors" in 2004 when it granted China Most Favored Nation trade status, after the Tiananmen massacre, knowing full well that there not only were no reforms, but Uyghur concentration camps and the slaughter of Falun Gong was ongoing. How now, do we walk back such bad decisions? RobSFree Kyle! 01:43, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
Yeah, and it was a mistake that we did that back in 2004, that much I'll agree on. However, that still doesn't change that appeasement should NEVER be embraced, not even as a temporary measure (ie, flexible and to be changed in short order), especially when we've had far too many "flexible and to be changed in short order" strategies that became permanent (case in point, the lockdowns, social distancing, and masks, also the income tax) as it is. If you ask me, we should have gone down Xi Jinping's throat. Not that I even care about International Law violations at this point since we clearly didn't go after Stalin or Mao or Ho Chi Minh or any of those guys (and if anything, international law went against US during those times). In fact, the only country that I can think of that DID have international law actually applied to them was Cambodia for Pol Pot's genocides, and that was well after the fact. I'd even argue International Law was a mistake that shouldn't exist precisely because it rarely gets enforced (heck, Sartre technically committed crimes against peace by pretty much deliberately aiding in instigating Pol Pot's genocide and they reacted with chirping crickets). Che Guevara, BTW, blatantly admitted in 1964 to committing crimes against peace and international law in 1964 with that stump speech right to the UN's face, and not only did they not arrest him, they if anything cheered for him. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:37, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
The "never appease an aggressor" stance is just playing neighborhood tuff guy and bully. It's like when your little brother comes home all beat up, and you go out and beat up whoever did it, only to discover afterward he threw a rock through their window first.
The question of International Law is interesting. Germany did not have a lot of colonies, nor was very familiar with the Law of the High Seas, and many Germans before and during both World Wars argued that there was no such thing as "international law". The failed League of Nations made the case even stronger. But the Atlantic Charter (Angelo American alliance), the Nuremberg Tribunal, and the establishment of the UN pretty well ended that debate.
You really have to pick your fights. Japan tried to knock out the US with one punch at Pearl Harbor. When the sleeping giant awoke, there was now a mutual agreement to fight. Midway, like Stalingrad, decided the outcome of the war for Japan. And that was only 6 months after Pearl Harbor (Midway, incidentally, I always think of as the day the U.S. became a superpower, and never looked back until now).
Now a friend of mine, a veteran of WWII, told me Japan's big mistake was attacking the U.S.. That Japan should have just focused on driving the Brits out of the Pacific (Hong Kong, Indonesia, Singapore). Had that happened, the outcome for Japan and Germany could have been very different.
As a hegemon or Superpower, you always have to be on your toes not to fall for any provocation, which both your allies and enemies are always trying to get you involved in.
Bottomline, nowadays we respond to aggression with "targetted sanctions" rather than direct military force. Is it effective? In the long run, probably not. These international agreements need to be reworked. I'm with Putin, we need a Yalta II Summit, and India should be given a permanent seat on the U.N. Security Council. RobSFree Kyle! 06:41, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
I wouldn't even say it ended the debate, especially when the UN basically became a front for the Soviet Union even with the Korean War, to say little about how they consistently aided the communists and far-left policies even after the Soviet Union fell, and conveniently turned a blind eye to, say, Nelson Mandela's terrorism. Had international law truly meant anything, they'd haul Mandela's sorry butt to Stockholm and found him guilty of war crimes and terrorism, for example. As far as never appease an aggressor, actually, that's not even close to bully talk, it's how you're supposed to deal with bullies if anything, never appease them. When you give bullies an inch, you give them a mile. In fact, what Bill Clinton did with al Qaeda during the 1990s WAS flat out appeasement, where he repeatedly turned down any attempts at dealing with Osama bin Laden, which eventually culminated in 9/11 and thus our even NEEDING to go to Afghanistan in the first place. Personally, our biggest mistake during World War II short of allying ourselves with Stalin was allying ourselves with Mao Zedong and stupidly letting him take control of China. Even New American had a huge call out on both Vinegar Joe and George Marshall for their bungling China. Had we just backed Pai Chek instead of Zedong, China probably won't be Communist to this day. Heck, we might have had a chance of averting the Yalta Conference resulting in Eastern Europe being turned communist had China avoided becoming communist. Heck, had we just assassinated Vladimir Lenin before he boarded that train in Germany, we wouldn't have either the USSR OR Nazi Germany (in fact, part of the reason why the Nazis were formed was in part due to Lenin and his antics, including his trying to do a huge invasion of Germany [yes, it was Germany he was targeting, not Poland. He was simply stopped there]). Marx's goals would have ended right then and there. All the Christian blood spilt by those commie jerks, was ultimately on us, because we failed to act decisively in stopping them, and in worse case scenario ended up if anything aiding them. Pokeria1 (talk) 09:25, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
Actually, it was Susan Rice in the Clinton White House who protected bin Laden, you know, the same Susan Rice whom Ric Grenell calls the 'shadow president' today. Allen Dullas, who ran State Dept. operations in Zurich in 1917 tells a funny story how one day he had a lunch date with a girl and was getting ready to leave when his secretary told him there was a visitor asking to see him. He peaked into the waiting room, saw a bald guy, and told his secretary to tell him to come back later so he wouldn't miss his lunch date. The man never came back. Sometime shortly afterward he saw his picture in the newspaper declaring the Soviet state in Moscow. And we now know it was Harry Dexter White who lost China. The problem was, he died almost two years before Republicans got around to asking "Who lost China?" RobSFree Kyle! 09:45, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
As to the point about the Sudeten fortresses, they are indeed valid. The war Hitler wanted in 1938 (Hitler's War, so to speak) would not have been a frische und fröhliche krieg, as is often portrayed then and now. It would have been World War II, spilling over borders and engulfing neighboring countries. Appeasement - deciding to delay confrontation til a more opportune time, was the best decision. Political infighting in the West over such a stupid mainstream media and public relations term is what led to anti-appeasement policies, leading Washington D.C. politicians blindly into unending wars in Korea and Vietnam (so-called "Cold warriors" and "hardline hawks". Anti-appeasement sentiment is what built the military-industrial complex, which Ike himself rebelled against and Roberts has carried on the same tradition. Ironic, it is, that Ike, Trump, George Soros, and Paul Craig Roberts all see the death of America as bound up with its commitment to the military-industrial complex, U.S. hegemony, and the American empire). RobSFree Kyle! 13:48, August 4, 2021 (EDT)
Roberts does have valid points regarding American imperialism and its resulting crimes, yes. In that regard, he and I are very similar (ironic, given your obviously very different opinions of him and I). But what really turns me off about him is not just his reprehensible positions on WWII and the Holocaust, but also his many foreign policy advisories to countries like China, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Venezuela, and on at least one occasion ISIS. His disdain for American imperialism has mutated into hatred for the US itself, and now he's actively rooting for the other side to take retaliatory measures against the US, whatever the cost.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:04, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
For further clarification, here's the difference between him and I when if comes to opposing American imperialism. I'm the person who would go from "no war" to either "end the war" or "win the war" when a cold conflict becomes hot. He's the person who would go from "no war" to "I hope we lose" and "death to America" when a cold conflict becomes hot. Sometimes, the less prominent differences matter.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:04, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
So, in other words, from what you say, Roberts is exactly like George Lucas when he modeled the Rebel Alliance after the Vietcong and made no secret in wanting America to lose the Vietnam War? Pokeria1 (talk) 08:04, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
You have no idea what his "position" on the Holocaust is. In fact, you have no idea what David Irvings's "position" on the Holocaust is, either. 16:09, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Roberts is an economist, not a political commentator. He's in his 80s now, and sometimes, rarely, he comments on contemporary events. He writes occasional essays or reviews on historical publications. His basic philosophy comes thru, that government is a bad thing, not a good thing, and the modern world is insane for adopting the 20th century view, under Karl Marx and later the New Deal, that government is benevolent. It is precisely this view that led idiots (Dr. Fauci, for example) to trust in the benevolence of the PLA and the Communist slave masters. RobSFree Kyle! 16:19, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
I'll grant you Fauci as well as the New Deal bit regarding viewing government as inherently benevolent and being stupid as a result, but Marx NEVER viewed government as benevolent, he viewed it as something to be destroyed alongside any class distinctions. Let's not forget, he advocated for a classless, stateless society, and last I checked, government IS the state. It's why those who are for the expansion of government are called "statists." Heck, he wanted an even gorier reenactment of the reign of terror by Robespierre, and it's unlikely he wouldn't have known about, say Grignon's orders at the Vendee due to his explicit admission he wanted revolutionary terror and didn't care if he was viewed as a monster after the fact. To sum it all up, Marx was not for government at all, he if anything was closer to an anarchist like Bakunin, with the only difference being HOW to implement it (it's the same difference as Hillary Clinton's infiltration style of revolution over Alinsky's more overt take down of society). Pokeria1 (talk) 08:02, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
You're right. I overstated the point. But you'll probably agree there are few people who can articulate Marx's vision as clearly as you did, let alone understand it. And virtually everybody, beginning with socialists themselves, all claim Socialism has never been achieved anywhere (witnesses the denials that the USSR was neither Socialist or Communist). Better than 95% of the people who wear or have worn the label of socialist are not really seeking a classless society, they want a sugar daddy to take care of them. 08:47, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
It's also the reason why I absolutely refuse to buy the claim that anarchists are right-wing, fitting as well as Nazis (in fact, I'd even argue that totalitarianism and anarchism are two sides of the exact same coin). And I wouldn't be too sure about that claim about their motives. I've heard of a few socialists who outright advocate murdering their own daddies as part of the revolution, making it extremely unlikely they'd want sugar daddies. Case in point, Bill Ayers. And I'd argue their motivations are in fact closer to what Joker tried to do in Injustice 2's Joker ending, not simply having a sugar daddy. The closest thing to a truly accurate picture of right vs. left in my view is more like pure secular government (if government is even to be considered on both sides, otherwise just stick with society) with absolutely no god on the left, and theocratic government ruled directly by God and Jesus alone on the right. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:48, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
That's a very clear and astute observation about totalitarianism/anarchism, and I thank you for it. My only reservation is that totalitarianism can be more enduring, whereas anarchism generally is only a temporary state. As to the theocratic vs. secular argument, I'd have to think about that a bit more (Note: when I told User:Conservative that desecularization is what's happening in Afghanistan right now, he's been a little more quiet on the subject). RobSFree Kyle! 07:31, August 15, 2021 (EDT)
Perhaps you should read this article of Roberts', then.
Here, he not only contends that there was no written order issued by anybody, much less Hitler, to exterminate the Jews (as if Hitler's speech to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939 wasn't enough evidence in itself), he also contends that there were no death camps of any kind and that the gas chambers are a hoax. Oh, he also implies that the war itself was started by a Jewish conspiracy and that the pogroms in occupied Russia were justified because "Jews caused the Holodomor."--Geopolitician (talk) 17:30, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
You are recycling more crap. That is not what any of that says. RobSFree Kyle! 18:23, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
I will not sit here and listen to criticism of Irving being applied to Roberts. Period. If you wanna discuss David Irving, discuss Irving. RobSFree Kyle! 18:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
And I will give you one warning on this matter, your misrepresentations border on trolling. RobSFree Kyle! 18:27, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
My criticisms of Roberts also apply to David Irving. Like Roberts, Irving also denies that there were gas chambers.[65] He wasn't always that way; he acknowledged their existence in the original 1977 edition of Hitler's War, only to remove them in a 1991 re-issue.[66] Meanwhile, just because Roberts borrows his talking points on this issue from Irving (and likely others) doesn't make them any less reprehensible.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
I don't give a rot what commies say about Roberts.
Update: Roberts speaks for himself. They Killed People for Vaccine Profits. He calls 'em as he sees 'em. RobSFree Kyle! 18:22, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Actually, some (or perhaps a lot of) commies love Roberts. Why else do you think he's promoted on sites like Counterpunch and Telesur? Oh, and here's an article where he praises both Marx and Lenin, and cites a site called "marxist.com" to back his talking points.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:26, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Looks like historical research to me. RobSFree Kyle! 19:40, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
There's research, and then there's conclusions.--Geopolitician (talk) 20:01, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
That's right. And your lame efforts to impugn Roberts as a holocaust denier is a faulty conclusion. RobSFree Kyle! 20:21, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
How is denying the existence of the gas chambers not Holocaust denial?--Geopolitician (talk) 20:34, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
You will get blocked for trolling if you persist. Give one piece of evidence, right now, that Paul Craig Roberts ever said the gas chambers used in the Holocaust did not, or do not exist. Are these instructions clear? Roberts. RobSFree Kyle! 20:45, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

Irving

In this article, Roberts restates what he believes are Irving's conclusions and does nothing to refute them, while also commending him as someone who is being persecuted for telling the truth. These conclusions include strong implications that the gas chambers did not exist.

Then, in another article published several months later, Roberts responds to criticism of the previous one by condemning the Holocaust story as a "dogma" that is "inconsistent with free society;" and at the end he links to an article by Ron Unz, who appears to be even more adamant in his Holocaust denial than Irving. Meanwhile, in the same article Roberts makes no effort whatsoever to clarify his own position, instead saying that what matters is that the Holocaust be a subject of debate, while also saying that the 'Zionist's refusal to allow debate' is a sign that the 'official story' is indeed a hoax. I don't know about you, but my conclusion here is that all of this points to Roberts either being a Holocaust denier himself, or just being really, really bad at conveying his opinion on "dogmas."--Geopolitician (talk) 22:14, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

One more thing. Even if we were to ignore his positions on WWII and the Holocaust, I'm puzzled that you admire Roberts despite his positions on modern geopolitics being much more radical than my own.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:28, August 5, 2021 (EDT)

I am running out of patience with your wikipedia crap. RobSFree Kyle! 22:34, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
A person who points out the plain historical fact that there does not exist a piece of paper, that survived the war, with Hitler's signature on it ordering the extermination of the Jews, is not a neo-Nazi. 22:38, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Even in the United States, we have such laws guarding presidential prerogatives and classified information. Under U.S. law, a president must issue a Presidential Finding to initiate covert activity. The Finding can be given orally, however the National Security Advisor must reduce it to paper within 24 hours. Again, there is no prohibition on the National Security Advisor from destroying his written Presidential Finding later. RobSFree Kyle! 22:44, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Presidential Findings are virtually always on matters of life and death, under the president's sworn responsibility to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution." In the recent Anwar al-Awlaki case, the courts have ruled that an American citizen can be executed witout trial, arrest, counsel, a even a Miranda warning. [67] That due process is served by a Presidential Finding, even if it remains classified, it was given orally, or no paper trail exists.
Now, this in no way is any sort of argument or justification saying that Hitler's orders were legal. The point being made is simply that it is virtually impossible to find a written paper trail linking Obama to the death of Anwar al-Awlaki.
With Irving, the definition of "holocaust denier" was stretched from its original meaning assigned to Arthur Butz when Hoax of the 20th Century appeared in 1976, to say anyone who wasn't satisfied with the written documentation Lucy Dawidowicz unearthed in her Holocaust Reader, including Goering's Commission to Hyderich, the Minutes of the Wannsee Conference, coupled with the Borman Notes (also known as Table Talk), all point to one irredeemable conclusion: Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews.
History is essentially concerned with written documentation. The sources cited in the above paragraph supply that written documentation. Even oral history must be written down at some point. Anything other than written documentation about the past, belongs to the fields of Archeology or Anthropology. RobSFree Kyle! 23:20, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
I did not at any point call anybody a neo-Nazi. I called some people Holocaust deniers, but I did not call them neo-Nazis. Indeed, you don't have to be a neo-Nazi to be a Holocaust denier. Just ask Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. And I honestly couldn't care less about the existence of a written order for genocide, or the lack thereof. Written order or no written order, it's clear that Hitler wanted the Holocaust to happen, given his speech to the Reichstag on January 30, 1939.
Meanwhile, that specific issue is not even among the reasons I concluded that Irving, Roberts, and Unz are all Holocaust deniers. I concluded Irving is a Holocaust denial because of his explicit statements denying the existence of gas chambers, and his removal of all references to the Holocaust from later editions of Hitler's War. I concluded that Roberts is a Holocaust denier because of his general endorsement of Irving's work, his repeated refusal to rebut any of Irving's claims, and his linking to Unz's article. And I concluded that Unz is a Holocaust denier because he flat out stated in his article that he wouldn't be surprised if the "official story" was entirely false.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:25, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Well, the only evidence you produced for that statement on Irving (which you are attempting to smear Roberts with), is the Irish Times. I'd need to see the trial transcript.
As to the Irish Times, we can apply a very simple test:
  • Has the Irish Times at anytime in the past 5 years implied anything about Trump-Russia collusion?
  • Has the Irish Times in the past 18 months implied anything about the coronavirus coming from people eating bats?
If so, I say take the Irish Times and stick it where the sun don't shine, which I'd advise against cause there are rectal receptors that can absorb poisons into the bloodstream. RobSFree Kyle! 23:39, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
First off, I provided a second source regarding Irving. I'll re-post the link here.
And second, the Irish Times article was published in 2000. If you want to assess the credibility of that article, then you need to assess the credibility of the Irish Times circa 2000, not circa 2016-21.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:48, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Okay, I leafed through enough of the 355-page report see that it is allegations. I'd need to see pages 162 and 179 of Irving's 1977 book.
The Irish Times is no substitute for Irvings own words at trial. Especially if you want to leave the Times unqualified. 23:57, August 5, 2021 (EDT)
Here's an even simpler test: Has the Irish Times republished anything from NYT, WaPo, or the AP in the past 6 years? RobSFree Kyle! 00:00, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
All you've done thus far is present a sort of Steele dossier as evidence, whereas, where are the damning passages in Irving's own words? I've never read Irving, don't care to, and have no reason or need to. Roberts put great stock in him cause Irving evidently has studied more primary source material than either me or Roberts. It's no secret the Germans tried to keep the Holocaust secret, which is NYT's defense now. But I've never seen any direct excerpts from Irving's text for the 20-odd years this controversy has been ongoing. And Irving himself has been canceled so he can't defend himself. So all I'm left with is allegations from many sources, without the direct text, from critics who many themselves are questionable.
So Roberts, like Chomsky and Finkelstein, criticizes Zionists, which of course is all the rage now from Bernie Sanders, AOC, and the Biden State Department. Does that make them neo-Nazi holocaust deniers, too? RobSFree Kyle! 00:16, August 6, 2021 (EDT)
I don't know which source you looked at, but I looked at the actual transcript of the trial, and its content confirms what is in the Irish Times report. The link to the transcript is here. The most damning parts are (1) Pages 229 line 17 through 230 line 5; and Page 237 lines 7 through 11. Note that the page numbers are at the bottom of the pages; if you find the page numbers and then scroll down rather than up you will get lost.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:49, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

<----- Okay, I read a little bit more starting around the point you suggested and beyond, enough to gain the context. And yes, I am familiar with the historiographic context under discussion. The word "holocaust" did not enter the historiographic lexicon until after 1976, assigned to events 30 years prior. The words "Final Solution" is what appears in the primary source documents.

The Nuremberg Indictment, which appeared some eight months after V-E Day, estimated some 5,710,000 or 5,720,000 murdered from all parts of Europe, as far away as Ukraine. Over the next 30 years, this figure was rounded up in common parlance to 6 million. Some dispute remained that figure was too low, and may not have included the actions of Einsatzgruppen, for example. The New York Times reported on the liberation of Auschwitz before the war's end, quoting Russian Generals as saying possibly 1 or 2 million perished at Auschwitz. Recently I read somewhere that 1.1 million were murdered at Auschwitz (Wikipedia: 1.1 million), which surprised me cause I thought the number may have been too low. That is what is being discussed at p. 235 line 23 to p. 236 line 2, "The millions in gas chambers". Here's the full context:

23 Q. [Mr Rampton]: Let us get back to the present. Which of those elements
24 in that statement “factories”, plural, “of death with gas
25 chambers”, plural, “in which they liquidated millions”,
26 plural, “of their opponents”, which of those elements do
      P-236
1 you still deny
2 A. [Mr Irving]: The millions in gas chambers


So, by this definition, Wikipedia and all its editors of the Auschwitz article are holocaust deniers.

Now, the "factories of death", Sobibor, Treblinka, etc., many did not have gas chambers, and the few that did have much smaller gas chambers than Auschwitz, could not have made up the difference of 700k to 900k to bring total of 2 million (plural) for the statement "millions perished in gas chambers".

Wikipedia is either corroborating David Irving, or using David Irving as a source.

Back to the point about the number cited in the Nuremberg Indictment. That figure has been researched thoroughly and considered amazingly accurate, given the short time Nuremberg prosecutors had, and under the conditions at the time.

Obviously, much more can be said on this subject. The problem basically is, for historiographic purposes, imposing a lexicon written 30 years after the fact which doesn't appear in the primary source documents. RobSFree Kyle! 22:26, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

What about this section here?
13 Q. [Mr Rampton]: We have touched upon Mr Liechter. We are going to grapple
14 with him much more extensively next week. We have touched
15 upon Mr Liechter and it has led you to this conclusion
16 that there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz, is it not?
17 I use the historic present. It was Mr Liechter’s report
18 and the bit about the laboratory tests which converted you
19 into disbelief that there were gas chambers at Auschwitz,
20 is that right
21 A. [Mr Irving]: That is correct
22 Q. [Mr Rampton]: Is that is correct. As a consequence of that, you have
23 come to believe, perhaps it was a matter of protest,
24 perhaps not, I do not know, that the Nazis did not use gas
25 chambers for the extermination of Jews let alone millions
26 of Jews
P-255
1 A. [Mr Irving]: Yes, I have become very sceptical of that element of the
2 story
P-256
In this section, Irving confirms that he is a skeptic about the existence of any kind of gas chambers at Auschwitz, citing the "Leuchter Report" (more info on that here).--Geopolitician (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Even Hugh Trevor Roper was hoaxed by the Hitler Diaries circa the same time (1982?), which was just your everyday run-of-the-mill mainstream media hoax. The Leuchter Report was "current scholarship" in 1991 when Irving removed the phrase from his book. The fact that ten years later he remained "very skeptical" I have no explanation for.
So now we're into degrees of denialism. What is the difference between being very skeptical and outright denialism? Is there a midground like "Holocaust agnosticism"? RobSFree Kyle!
Now that is an interesting question. Not just in the context of the Holocaust but also in the context of other topics (namely religion). Personally, I do consider agnostics to be deniers, in both contexts.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:38, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Now, let me restate a fact about Intentionalism: after the defeat at Stalingrad and the German armies were in full retreat, trains were used for transport of Jews to death camps, and not to facilitate the retreat of soldiers. What does Irving say about this? That, it seems to me, would be the issue with Irving, not the lame barking up the wrong tree, parsing of post-1976 historiography versus the original primary source documents. RobSFree Kyle! 22:51, August 6, 2021 (EDT)

I can't find his position on that subjet in the trial transcripts. Feel free to double-check for me, if you have a browser with a word-searcher like I do.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Yes, probably because it was never asked. RobSFree Kyle! 17:52, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Let's return to the timeline. Quoted below it says, "the first death camps became operational in late 1941". The surrender at Stalingrad was February 10, 1942. From that point on the extermination campaign became priority. It was not incidental to the war and occupation in the East. For the entirety of 1942 and 1943 (the period usually referred to in many histories and videos as the period of "Total War"), trains were expedited for transport of Jews from ghetto collection points to death camps, and not for the evacuation of soldiers, many of them on foot, from the East.
This is the cap and the seal on Intentionalism, along with all the other evidence, beginning with the January 30, 1939 Reichstag speech. RobSFree Kyle! 18:26, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Let me summarize and simplify this incredibly complex subject in as few of my own words as possible. World War II, the "Total War", and Holocaust was basically a hostage situation where all the hostages were killed. Beginning with the January 30, 1939 speech, Hitler was saying, "If I don't get my way, I'm going to kill all the hostages." When war broke out in Sept 1939, Hitler remained true to his pledge (the so-called "Holocaust by bullet"). When Hitler lost the war at Stalingrad, he accelerated the program which became more efficient after 2 1/2 years already.
This even explains Hitler's inexplicable decision to declare war in the United States in December 1941; Hitler knew he was losing the war, and was going to lose the war. He declared war on the U.S. to bring about a truly overall World War and state of confusion, to hide his actions and motives in the fog of war.
Functionalists do not have a leg to stand on. Hitler was denied his war in 1938 (which not having read Irving, presumably is what Irving references as Hitler's War, which never was fought). The war after September 1939, when Britain and France declared war, was a hostage situation that Hitler used to take his revenge, having been cheated out of his designs to secure permanent Lebensraum in 1938. RobSFree Kyle! 23:16, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Let's continue this analysis of intentionalism briefly. What Hitler wanted to happen in 1938 and 1939 is the opposite of what actually did happen. In 1938, when Hitler moved into the Sudetenland, Hitler wanted Britain, France, and the USSR (or some combination) to declare war. In 1939, he hoped they would appease and sit idle, and the division of Poland would be peaceful like a year earlier in Czechoslovakia. These two events were interspersed with his January 30, 1939 threat to kill all the hostages if he wasn't appeased again. The takeover of Poland, accomplished as quickly as Czechoslovakia, was followed by the Sitzkrieg or Phony War, where some didn't even believe that there would be any fighting in 1940.
So, if you flip the events of 1938 and 1939 in your mind's eye, you see what some now call Hitler's War or Hitler's strategy. Whether Hitler intended to implement a "Final Solution" at the time of the Sudeten Crisis is a matter of speculation. Personally, I think not, but likely some other form of forced removal and possibly ultimately pogroms. But having been robbed of his war in 1938, in January of 1939 he made up his mind (intentionalism) to move forward with a "Final Solution" if the Brits & French declared war. RobSFree Kyle! 20:04, August 14, 2021 (EDT)
Much of this analysis is important today in viewing Hong Kong and Taiwan and the similarities to Czechoslovakia and Poland. Now, you may say 'I don't see the parallels.' Fine. You may not see it, but I assure you military planners the world over are making the same calculations the Nazis, British, French, Soviet, and American military strategists and planners were making between 1938 and 1939. RobSFree Kyle! 20:18, August 14, 2021 (EDT)


Irving, part 2

Now, here's an excerpted transcript from a popular Youtube video with 5 million hits: [68]

"When most people think of the Holocaust, the first thing that comes to mind are the horrors of Nazi extermination camps like Auschwitz and Treblinka, where millions of European Jews were systematically murdered in specially designed gas chambers and crematoria. However, there are many more stages and elements to the Holocaust than just the Nazi death camps. In fact, by the time the first death camps became operational in late 1941, the Holocaust had already been occurring for at least three years and an estimated two to four million people had already been killed in what is referred to by historians as the Holocaust by bullet.

Question: Is this denialism? RobSFree Kyle! 05:31, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

No, it's not. It's very easy to reconcile this statement with the facts regarding what occured post-1941 (especially if you use the lower number of pre-1942 deaths).--Geopolitician (talk) 17:15, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Let's not allow this discussion to wander all over the map. So far it's been very positive. Let me be clear, I am not attempting to defend Irving. But I think both of us are familiar enough with the core issues to answer this question:
Is the statement, "6 million Jews were killed in gas chambers" a true or false statement? RobSFree Kyle! 17:57, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Of course that's a false statement. 6 million Jews did die in the Holocaust, and many of them did die in gas chambers, but not all of them died in gas chambers. The Nazis employed several other ways to kill them, as we all know.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:38, August 7, 2021 (EDT)
Okay. That's the whole point with Irving, in my humble speculation. His 1977 book appeared at the time that the historiographic consensus came to be replacing the offensive term, "Final Solution", with "Holocaust" ("History is written by the victors.") His 1977 book incorporated the revised term, "holocaust". His 1991 reissue expunged the term "holocaust." Between 1976 and 1991, much Holocaust literature, and even Holocaust Studies at the University level were teaching "6 million Jews died in gas chambers."
Those, I assume to be facts. And I would further speculate that Irving, like Finkelstein and Chomsky, rebelled against the so-called "holocaust industry" that grew up between 1976 and 1991. RobSFree Kyle! 19:13, August 7, 2021 (EDT)

Global elites

Roberts rages against global elites. It was the diplomats, not the military, that caused World War I and loss of 5 million lives. That's why Wilson proposed the League of Nations as a reform measure, so global elites could keep talking 24/7 round the clock and get to know each other better. Hitler was excluded from the Club, and never invited to Paris or any summit, which only increased his suspicion of a conspiracy against Germany.

A word on "denialism": there are two types, (1) denial that the Holocaust occurred or was technologically feasible (originally articulated by Herman Goering at Nuremberg), and (2) denial that Hitler ordered it. Most people who toss the term around today have no idea what Functionalism is. A so-called "denier" can say yes, the Holocaust occurred, but we can't find a paper trail linking Hitler to it (which is essentially Irving and the school of Functionalism's argument). The timeline of events, and the conversations recorded in Hitler's Table Talk in July 1942 (after the defeat at Stalingrad) however, provide the missing "paper trail" that Functionalists or so-called "deniers" claim is missing, and corroborate the Intent to commit genocide. RobSFree Kyle! 09:59, August 4, 2021 (EDT)

So, having dealt with that question, let's move on to a more relevant question regarding Roberts. After having destroyed the Soviet Union, and ending the Cold War by securing tax cuts for the rich to develop new technologies with consumer spin-offs, why does Roberts rage so much against the military industrial complex? And what is his relationship with Russian Atlantacists and elites? RobSFree Kyle! 10:39, August 4, 2021 (EDT)