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Mika rips Biden a new one

There is no future for Biden after this interview: "How Mika REKT Joe Biden - Real Lawyer Explains - Viva Frei Vlawg." I am absolutely shocked. Where did this "no rape" standard come from? Bill Clinton could rape all he liked. Drudge and Norm McDonald were the only ones who ever gave him a hard time about it. PeterKa (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

20-25% of Bernie primary voters say they're not voting for Biden. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 02:48, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
In the most telling moment, Biden is helplessly unable to explain why he won't allow a search of the personnel records archived at University of Delaware. Mika lets us feel the awkward silence. Even the answers that sound fluent are actually full of evasive phrases and tactics, as Frei ably explains in the video above. Whether he is guilty or innocent is almost beside the point. A major party presidential candidate has to able to give a better interview than this. The superdelegates need to start thinking in terms of, "Who else can be the nominee?" PeterKa (talk) 03:39, 3 May 2020 (EDT)
I thought this affair might be part of a clever plot to replace Biden with someone Hillary might like more. According to The Week, there is no one with the authority to replace a nominee. Biden would have to drop out. But why would he? This is the only shot at the presidency he is ever going to get. If Biden dropped out before the convention, it would be Bernie Sanders' nomination. I don't think anyone wants that. So the window of opportunity is August and September. PeterKa (talk) 08:26, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Mika, the great pretender and Biden ally. Mika intentionally does not bring up the corroborating witnesses

Mika (a friend of Joe Biden) pretended to rip Biden a new one: MSNBC finally confronts Joe Biden over Tara Reade allegations, but intentionally does it in a poor manner - leaves out corroborating witnesses and does not confront Biden over his past history of lying.[2][3]

Mika intentionally left out the corroborating evidence of Biden's purported sexual assault. But the progressives at The Hill did bring out the corroborating evidence. [4][5]

Sometimes the establishment does a weakened form of attack about a particular issue via the mainstream media in order to innoculate their followers. But once you bring up the corroborating evidence and Biden's long history of lying, then the weight of evidence goes against Biden.Conservative (talk) 04:36, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Tara Reade’s Ex-Neighbor on Joe Biden Sexual Assault Allegation: I Believed Her Then & I Believe Her Now.[6][7]
That fact that Reade told family and friends at the time that she had problems with Biden certainly makes her more credible than Kavanaugh's accusers. All the same, it is now 27 years after the alleged incident. Why didn't she speak up in 2008 when Biden was nominated for vice president? Reade started talking to reporters a year ago, perhaps hoping that a reporter who supported a rival Democrat would be interested in her story. More recently, she cancelled a scheduled interview with Fox News. It's obviously important to her to be seen as a good Democrat.
The Anita Hill-Clarence Thomas hearing was in 1991. The hearing suggested to people at the time that if Thomas had in fact been guilty of telling a pubic hair joke to a female assistant, he'd have no defense. The Biden-Reade incident happened two years later. The "No Means No" movement was at high tide. PeterKa (talk) 22:14, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

It's a man's world. Sexual impropriety allegations against Joe Biden may not be a mortal blow

Bill Clinton, Brett Kavanaugh and Donald Trump all faced sexual impropriety allegations. All of them went on to hold office. Kavanaugh allegations were not credible, but he did have to admit to drinking to excess though.

It does seem as though post Me Too Movement that sexual assault allegations may have more punch - especially against a Democrat. For example, Al Franken threw in the towel and resigned. So the jury is still out on how damaging the sexual assault/impropriety allegations will be against Joe Biden.Conservative (talk) 05:00, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Masks, coronavirus countermeasures and the culture war. Politicalization/political rigidity clouds judgment


More and more I see how becoming more ideological/political rather than being evidence-based and objective in one's decisions is detrimental to making sound decisions.

Wearing a mask vs. not wearing a mask is now part of the culture war.[8]

From an evidential/scientific point of view of tackling the coronavirus crisis, I see Republicans and right-wingers not stressing the utility of masks enough and are more likely to be anti-vaccine extremists. Furthermore, Republicans and conservatives are less likely to see the utility of social distancing (I realize there is a spectrum on the degree of social distancing). On the other hand, right-wingers are better at stressing the importance of taking responsibility via weight loss in order to reduce one's mortality rate and being a burden on the health care system (obese coronavirus require more intensive care usage for coronavirus patients). In addition, right-wingers are often more practical when it comes to border security as a means to keep coronavirus from infecting the native population. Also, Republicans and right-wingers stress how a recessionary/depressionary economy can increase mortality rates (suicide, etc.). Furthermore, right-wingers see the utility of Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment (Hydroxychloroquine).

I think Asians like Taiwanese, Singaporeans and Japanese are tackling the coronavirus pandemic better because they seem more practical and less ideological. They also seem to be more disciplined societies that also stress personal responsibility (keeping a healthy weight). There is a healthy balance between acting in a way for the common good and taking personal responsibility.

I asked a grocery clerk I know if she personally knew a family member or friend who died of coronavirus. Sure enough, it was a overweight family member in his 50s who was taken off a respirator and died shortly afterwards.Conservative (talk) 06:55, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Liberals/leftists are more likely to be advocates of "fat acceptance" and to be more against "fat shaming". The Japanese are more practical and do not embrace "fat acceptance". I don't see Singaporeans embracing the "fat acceptance" movement anytime soon either.Conservative (talk) 07:04, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Conservapedia stories converging: Business as usual crony medicine favoritism, top offenders of which not proven but with no explanation for behavior prematurely knocks away Bill Gates domino

Theory: the false models that forced Western governments into lockdown, made up by Neil Ferguson, a Bill Gates cutout. Trump has chance now in this month and next to pull curtain from the hysteria op by elevating rival scientists (Ioannidis etc.)

I'm not going to be citing sources at Twitter for a while. The slackers who moderate Twitter, as shown by James O'Keefe's reports, are activists, and now they think it's funny to play games with the operation of accounts that talk too much about (other) liberals who abuse their power. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:18, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

Gilead Science can't give away their remdesivir drug. Or rather, they do, and it doesn't catch on. I think they gave out a million and a half free doses. Is "pirahna" marketing (payoffs?) the reason why Gov. Cuomo halted research on the Sean-Hannity-promoted hydroxychloroquine preventative regimen by Dr. Zelenko, and who then appealed to Donald Trump in a video, and then on behalf of whom Trump stepped in to allow?

The patent on hydroxychloroquine is expired, while Gilead Science's remdesivir is still current and potentially lucrative.


Remdesivir was rapidly pushed through clinical trials due to the West African Ebola virus epidemic of 2013-2016, eventually being used in people with the disease. Preliminary results were promising; it was used in the emergency setting during the Kivu Ebola epidemic that started in 2018, along with further clinical trials, until August 2019, when Congolese health officials announced that it was significantly less effective than monoclonal antibody treatments such as mAb114 and REGN-EB3. The trials, however, established its safety profile.
As of April 2020, remdesivir was viewed as the most likely promising treatment for COVID-19 by Johns Hopkins University. Data from one randomized controlled trial was released early in error and before peer review; it did not show improvement. Gilead Sciences stated that due to low enrollment the study was halted while a non-associated researcher stated it does mean if there is any benefit, then that benefit will be small. Other clinical trials were underway or planned.

Yet at the end of April (the 29th) it gets a new burst of publicity from a Trump enemy:

"Gilead’s remdesivir is likely to get speedy approval or expanded use after the company said the drug worked in coronavirus patients, Wall Street analysts say." —Bloomberg Business

This yielded some uncharitable comments:

"Didn't independent studies show it's basically useless
>the company said the drug worked
Oh ok then take my money
"Reminder this is a failed ebola drug which was hastily ghetto-rigged into a corona drug except all trials which say it works were done by Gilead, the manufacturer who stands to make a fortune off it, themselves[,] and the few independent trials there were[,] showed that it's useless"

The world doesn't begin with hydroxychloroquine and end with remdesivir, however. There are other drugs thought to be virus inhibitors whose best dosages seem to converge on an optimal level: amodiaquine, atazanavir, camostat, ciclesonide, dipyridamole, doxycycline, favipiravir, HTCC polymer, IFN-α 2b, indomethacin, itraconazole, mefloquine, nelfinavir, niclosamide, nitazoxanide, rimantidine, teicoplanin, tetrandrine.

Nevertheless, a poll showed that the most-used treatment for front-line doctors was hydroxychloroquine. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 01:27, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

Bill Gates' foundation also invested close to a billion dollars in cell nodes capable of 5G technology in February. These are not cell towers but nodes along public throughfares!

VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 02:34, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

Yellow fever and partisan cures

!n 1793, yellow fever killed 10 percent of the population of Philadelphia, then the U.S. capital. Both Hamilton's Federalist Party and Jefferson's Republican Party had been organized the previous year, so partisan politics was new and exciting. Hamilton favored the quinine treatment of Dr. Edward Stevens while Jefferson preferred a bleed-and-purge regime developed by Dr. Benjamin Rush. (It sounds like more like torture than a treatment.) Quinine is of course a natural equivalent to the synthetic hydroxychloroquine used by Zelenko. Both medicines fight virus infection by increasing zinc uptake.[9] PeterKa (talk) 07:33, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

High page views for CP pages...

Did anyone else notice that the CP page for Abby Finkenauer got over 8,000 views, not to mention that the page for Abigail Spanberger got over 5,000 views? In fact, the latter page was only created three days ago. I'm not entirely sure why, and this does seem very interesting, as I've always been observing page view numbers. One speculation is, since I exposed some of these freshman Democrats for being fake "moderates", if their name is searched in a search engine along with the keyword "moderate", the CP page for the subject will show up in among the top results. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 00:07, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

My own personal impression is for certain controversial high-profile Democrat elected officials, CP is one of the first sites DNC operatives sometimes check in their efforts to control narratives. When negative information exists, they may check here first before waiting for Brietbart or someone else to write on a subject. For example in the Katie Hill episode, Hill was forced to resign by Pelosi before the neo-nazi narrative took root and they thus preserved her as a victim of homophobia. Again, I observed a discussion board in 2019 debating how to address some of the points raised about Cory Booker back here. I suggests watching for news items that in someway try to address or obfuscate the content of those two articles. RobSLive Free or Die 17:18, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
That's certainly an interesting analysis. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 17:56, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
It's also important to note that those pages have the Template:Democrat establishment transclusion, so your take does seem very likely, as they directly refute the narratives promoted by the DNC, DSCC, and DCCC. After all, for people who understand U.S. politics, who would've thought that establishment Democrats are actually left-wing deceitful bait-and-switch pulling politicians focused on impeaching Trump rather than keeping campaign promises? After all, it's totally not like they wanted to impeach Trump ever since the latter got elected in 2016... --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 18:04, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Alexa reports a growth of inbound links to CP. In the past month there have been at least three times where CP gained at least 20 inbound links overnight. These could be links from Democrat discussion boards to review the content. You need a good program to check for inbound links to those pages to confirm. RobSLive Free or Die 18:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
It could potentially be some idiots in Democratic Underground. --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 19:43, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, them plus 20 other discussion boards. If I remember correct, it was this back link checker where I found a discussion board vetting information in the early days of the 2020 presidential election article. RobSLive Free or Die 19:59, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Seems quite interesting... --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 20:02, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Alternatively, when negative information exists we may be one of the first sites they check to see if we got hold of it, which would generate traffic even if we don't have the information yet. That could be a telltale signs such information exists if there's high traffic to an otherwise mundane article. RobSLive Free or Die 20:13, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
@ Liberaltears said: "I'm not entirely sure why, and this does seem very interesting, as I've always been observing page view numbers." Unfortunately, we aren't going to know why. I asked for the ability to do full-scale metrics some time ago, but there didn't seem to be any interest in it. Now the time you are referencing has passed, and the metrics can't know the past unless they were in place during that time period. Conservapedia keeps losing a lot of opportunities such as this one due to not having a more comprehensive page metrics system in place. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:18, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Are you referring to something like a line graph showing page views over time? --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 19:42, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, among other things. Full scale metrics would also provide a simple total page views, which we currently have(so that would not be lost), but in addition there should be line graphs, multiple page comparison, probably alerts, and most importantly 30-60-x day time period metrics. The ability to see what pages drop off or what pages suddenly become active would be a game changer for us. I say "should", because during implementation there would be discretion on which would be enabled. Right now we're just kinda coasting along blindly based on whims, without the ability to react and take control of our own destiny. Progressingamerica (talk) 00:22, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Coronavirus, semi-serious Americans and tackling a solution

I have noticed that Americans are semi-serious about masks. Despite masks being mandatory in some areas of the USA in public areas, people's use of them is semi-serious. Like some might have a mask on their head, but it is not over their mouth/nose. Because many people are creatures of habit and do not like masks.

And many Americans are overweight and people who are overweight have much higher mortality risks when they get infected with coronavirus.

As far as the medical establishment, it appears as if they will not get serious about backing an effective treatment unless a profitable drug backed by well-funded research is done. And cheaper drugs do not have lots of research related to coronavirus treatment because the return on investment is not there. In short, in order to get medical establishment backing, the USA government would have to do the research and many times government is slow and ineffective.

After all is said and done, I don't think this coronavirus situation will be greatly resolved until there is a vaccine.Conservative (talk) 05:31, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

The warm weather may rapidly reduce the transmission rate in this country. But I think only college-age students and younger should go to the beach or park if there ought to be a lockdown like in New York City. For some reason they are neither prone to infection or transmitting the disease. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 04:58, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

Ferguson, Obama break lockdown rules

The people responsible for the lockdown rules know that they are bogus. Why should they follow them? "Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover." The Wuhan virus hasn't interrupted Obama's golfing schedule. Unlike lockdowns, sunlight is a proven virus fighter. We should all go out and get more, just like Obama. Yet California's beaches remain closed. PeterKa (talk) 20:58, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

Well, can't say I'm surprised that the Democrats would pull something like that, seeing that they exempt themselves from the same rules they impose on everyone else and expect us to follow (the same kind of stunt pulled by Justin Trudeau up here in Canada). It's just another example of just how much a group of elitists liberal politicians and public officials really become any time they're able to get any measure of power. Northwest (talk) 02:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
I think RobS and Conservative agree with me that large cities that have a lot of potential sufferers with pre-existing conditions (hypertension, obesity, age) or put themselves at risk of non-compliance, might benefit from a lockdown, but I don't understand why the focus is not on the persons with pre-existing conditions to begin with instead of quarantining the healthy. Or rather, now that those pre-existing conditions are known, wouldn't it be good change strategies? No, because maybe someone will get the idea to assassinate the elderly? Or maybe someone will pretend to live with someone with pre-existing conditions and not go to work? Or maybe more realistically some kids couldn't go to school, and there'd be large populations out of sync?
Here's my speculation: many liberals actually wanted to condition non-socialist countries into shutting down longer and in more places than necessary each time a virus appears and provide dazzle camouflage for the faults of socialist countries and cities.
One last thing: Viral outbreaks like the flu are measured in seasons. The Wuhan virus infected about 3.6 million people worldwide, while a flu virus in a season can typically infect 4-5 million flu patients. So the Wuhan virus is both as fatal as flu and as contageous as well, as we're well into the start of a new season—and one where the flu typically dies out in the United States due to warm weather.
VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 04:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
We're walking a fine line here. Masks work. It's a question of arresting people for not wearing masks, and getting voluntary compliance. For this reason conservative and libertarian sites ought to be very careful about stirring up resistance and trash talking government and science experts.
The simple facts are: masks are not worn to prevent catching the virus, they are worn to prevent spreading the virus from asymptomatic individuals (a majority of the population) to vulnerable persons. It is a simple matter of publicly displaying respect for other human beings. Until this simple basic fact is understood by the general population, most people ought to just shut about lockdowns and other things they do not understand. RobSLive Free or Die 00:22, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
I agreed with your arguments that you made for wearing masks when you made them, which you have just now repeated, and you have my thanks for reinforcing the important information they contain. In fact, some counties have required that all citizens wear masks. But working citizens who live in small towns and rural areas shouldn't be made to suffer financially for the sins of big cities, which can be amplified by who's running them.
Let's talk about the advice of state and science experts when they come into conflict with each other. I think all hands agree lockdowns need to be flexible as infomation comes in. But in Florida, with a Republican governor, once it was learned that the virus affected the elderly, as was shown in a Washington state nursing home at the very beginning of the U.S. outbreak, the state government quarantined all elderly altogether above a certain age who happened to be in hospitals or nursing homes. But in the State of New York, Wuhan virus patients were required to be admittable in any nursing home. I still don't know why. To fight a non-existent sickness-stigma?
Maybe it was part of the virus being politicized by New York City officials to make Trump look bad by, for example, encouraging people to attend a Chinese parade in the city (while the contagion of the Wuhan virus passed undetected, ironically started by visitors from Europe). Consequently, New York has had nine times as many Wuhan virus cases as Florida, which also has large cities (though, true, it has a warmer climate).
One last thing to emphasize the danger of the virus that Rob brought forward (which I agree with): I mentioned the Wuhan virus infection was shown to have same contagion rate and fatality rate as the flu. But as someone said in an earlier section of this page, the duration is thought to be seventy days for those who succumb to a full infection and survive. That alone proves it can't be treated the same as the flu when comparisons are unknown, especially for those above the age of likely infection—which is yet another dangerous unknown in formulating public policy, because it's a matter of degrees after a certain point.
Does that mean I agree with the Michigan protestors? I only agree that a non-responsive Governor who was thought to have abondoned her constitutional role may have been more dangerous to the welfare of Michiganians than the virus—after all, look at Justin Trudeau's gun seizure edict and repression of the freedom of peaceful assembly afterward. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 03:23, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
What is needed is basic education. There is still much unknown about the virus. Statistics are becoming useless for two reasons (1) China lying about data (death's there may have exceeded a million already), and (2) because Congress in the U.S. has incentivized padding the numbers. Scientifically speaking, we're left with smaller sample populations, such as South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong to gather any meaningful scientific data and statistics. Key here also is an educated population about mitigation, masks, social distancing, lockdowns, etc.
When the U.S. committed to flattening the curve, we also committed to lengthening the time of exposure to the pandemic. But let me return to the original point - there is still much unknown about the novel virus. Conversely, South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong don't need an extended period time to educate the populace on mitigation efforts - the U.S. does. And yes, we have cultural resistance to learning those mitigation efforts our East Asian partners may not have.
What is known (so far) is some 30 strains of the virus, which presumably explains why some people who allegedly are recovered get sick again. and it complicates the need for some 30 vaccines.
Here's the point that is difficult to swallow - you can't avoid catching the virus. It will happen, unless you move to Antarctica or somewhere. So then people ask, "What's the point of preventative efforts" (lockdowns, masks, etc.). Like speaking to school children, you must explain the difference between "preventative" and "mitigation". Again, back to the problem of asymptomatic carriers, young, healthy, stupid, culturally resistant people (of whatever political stripe). Our best mitigation effort is to show compassion, respect, and tolerance for other people who may have weakened immune systems. It is a social phenomena that the heavy-hand of government will have difficulty imposing on a culturally resistant United States. In China, the threat of tossing you into a quarantine gulag for not wearing a mask is effective.
Do we have communist tyrant governors, mayors, and sheriffs in the United States? Yes. Does trash-talking mitigation efforts and building a resistance movement to wearing masks and social distancing an appropriate reaction? No.
A question comes to the fore: What about relief from liability to employers and business owners from lawsuits as employers recall employees and customers go shopping again, and someone contracts the illness? Here mitigation efforts, i.e. educating the populace, if we want to reopen America is essential. Ok, so a business won't let a customer in cause he's not wearing a mask, and the customer shoots and kills the security guard. What now?
This is why I warn about trash talking mitigation efforts. You will get sick sometime in the next two years. You have a responsibility to yourself, and to others, to educate yourself and understand what is happening. If you think Chinese Communism is superior to democracy and freedom, go ahead, be ignorant of the world. If you think the United States should not cower and you love your freedom, you have a responsibility to educate yourself on the facts that are known now, and a responsibility to strangers you pass on the street, in shops, your, friends, family, and co-workers. And there is no more time to debate this subject. RobSLive Free or Die 04:12, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

Biden's back; Me Too is dead

For a few days, it was touch and go. But today the Dems decisively rallied behind Biden. "It Would Be Completely Absurd to Force Biden Out of the Race," as Jonathan Chait puts it. It's not that I disagree. But Tara Reade's accusations are both more serious and more credible than those against Kavanaugh. Reade should obviously have gone to a therapist since liberal pundits all trot out the argument that Blasey Ford is credible on account of her "therapist notes." I have to say, Huh? For a more articulate refutation, see "Tara Reade's neighbor offers stronger corroboration than Christine Blasey Ford's therapist notes." If feminists still back Biden, perhaps its time to dump Me Too and revert to a traditional "innocent until proven guilty" standard. We've been around this racetrack before. Hillary Clinton killed the "No Means No" movement in 1998 when she announced that the women who accused her husband were pawns of a "vast right-wing conspiracy." PeterKa (talk) 10:18, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

Here is an interesting ngram for "No Means No." Guess what? Usage peaked in 1997. PeterKa (talk) 10:27, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Peter, you're going to need lot more instruction and experience before you ever become a good statistician. Besides that, women are very mysterious, and you may learn more about what they think by what they don't say, than what they say. But then again I guess the chart shows that too. So never mind. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 22:09, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
  • Chait argues that if Biden was forced out, his voters would be disinfranchised. But Dems also voted for Bernie and for other candidates. Were those voters "disinfranchised" when their candidates dropped out? The candidates that most people vote for end up dropping out. That's just the way the process is set up.The title "presumptive nominee" is bestowed by the pundits, not by divine right. The nomination process is all about what's best for the party. If Biden drops out before the convention, his delegates will vote their preference the old fashioned way. The problem is that they might vote for Bernie. Hillary won't stand for that. The party establishment is terrified of Hillary. PeterKa (talk) 20:31, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
It's still a man's world when it comes to U.S. presidential politics. Biden is not going to drop out due to Me Too Movement problems. Democrats want to beat Trump and Biden, despite all his problems, is their best shot because they are a pathetic party with a bench that is not deep. Once again, Democrat ladies are going to have to suck it up, hold their noses, and submissively do what the Democrat men tell them to do! Of course, the Democratic women/feminists are too proud to admit this!Conservative (talk) 21:29, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
The Biden campaign --> Battered Wife Syndrome on the Democrat Plantation. RobSLive Free or Die 21:46, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

Biden going down

"According to the poll, 45% of Americans said Trump was better suited to create jobs, while 32% said Biden was the better candidate for that. That pushed Trump's advantage over Biden in terms of job creation to 13 points, compared with the Republican president's 6-point edge in a similar poll that ran in mid-April.

Thirty-seven percent said Trump was better leading the country's coronavirus response, while 35% preferred Biden. A similar poll in mid-April showed Biden had a slight edge over Trump when it came to the nation's response to the disease." —unsigned comment by NishanXavier (talk) Wednesday, 16:03, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

A week before Iowa, the polls told us Biden would win Iowa, come in a strong second in New Hampshire, and sweep his way to the nomination. He was fourth in Iowa with 15 percent of the vote. In New Hampshire he came in fifth with 8 percent. Nothing so dramatic will happen in a national election. But we can expect him to continue to underperform. PeterKa (talk) 06:43, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

Ann Coulter and the Neocon Lab

Interesting read from Ann Coulter here.

Personally, I believe the virus itself was cooked up in a neocon lab, not just the "Wuhan lab" theory. --Geopolitician (talk) 23:05, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

Are neocons really that awful or something? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 23:37, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
I'm a big Coulter fan, but I found this article disappointing. Lab leaks happen. They aren't a conspiracy theory. See "SARS escaped Beijing lab twice." In her last column, she pointed the finger at bat eating, the "primitive Chinese custom." Nobody eats bats in China. None of the bat-eating videos that made the rounds on the Internet were actually filmed in China. Most were from Cambodia. There is nothing unsanitary about eating a bat, provided you cook it first. Now Coulter is blaming pangolins. Here is the Journal of Medical Virology: "Interestingly, the coronavirus carried by pangolins did not have the RRAR motif. Therefore, we concluded that the human SARS‐CoV‐2 virus, which is responsible for the recent outbreak of COVID‐19, did not come directly from pangolins." PeterKa (talk) 01:56, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
LiberalTears, yes they are that awful. Actually, "evil" is a better term to use. --Geopolitician (talk) 12:04, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
The question is, Why do research on creating a deadly, man-made transmissible virus from bats to humans?, which both the U.S. and China did (jointly). Ok, while the U.S. never intended to use the virus as a bioweapon, the theoretical scientific possibility that an enemy could do such a thing leads (or forces) the U.S. to engage in such research, and develop a vaccine, because of the possibility our enemies could be doing the same. Technological competition. It was the same justification for the Manhattan Project because of the possibility Hitler may have been secretly engaging in the same research.
In the case of the CCP, there is no evidence CCP scientific research is benign. RobSLive Free or Die 13:59, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

U.S. is responsible for 32% of worldwide fatalities outside Italy and China, but 50% of them are overcounts, so it's 19%

The U.S. federal government sent out a directive to states to call deaths with a component of the Wuhan virus infection among other components to report the resulting cause of death as a Wuhan flu virus death. This was apparently because it would be easier and would be making use of a less easily disputable count to compensate medical facilities who had to deal with those infectious patients, especially if the medical system became overloaded. The directive explicitly said they only sought a 50% accuracy with regard to the actual number of those who succumbed to the disease, with health care providers financially motivated to err on the side of more victims.

A reporter looking for publicity (she had just published a book) said there were more fatalities in the United States due to the Wuhan flu than U.S. fatalities in the Vietnam War. But if the recording practice is correct, there have been 50% of 73,863 fatalities or about 37,000 Wuhan virus fatalities, which is less than the number of U.S. fatalities in the Vietnam War. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 04:01, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

This is fake news and pseudoscience. No one knows the number of deaths in China. The CCP is paying $420 in hush money to families of victims in Wuhan and threatening anybody who talks about it. RobSLive Free or Die 13:46, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
What? Pseudo-science? If your purpose here, among those who are trying to get a good picture of today's political environment, is to hurt my feelings, well, mission accomplished.
Let's take a more careful look: Worldwide Wuhan virus fatalities totalled without CHINA AND ITALY, as I described it, is 270,990 (world total without counting China) minus 30,201 in Italy brings world total fatalities minus those that were mentioned to 240,789, as of yesterday.
The U.S. recorded 77,661 fatalities and, by hypothesis, half are fake. The number of phantom fatalities would then be 38,830. Now subtract that from the world without China or Italy (240,789) and you get 201,959.
By the same token the number of actual U.S. Wuhan virus fatalities is 38,830, half of what was reported. Now just divide through, and you get 19.23%. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 19:15, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Ok, my apologies. I'm sorry, I spoke too soon on the facts as the way you have explained them. My only hope is to qualify them as authoritive, either by disassociating these facts from the officially sanction WHO/CCP apparatus, or in the name of some other qualified organization, group, person or yourself. RobSLive Free or Die 19:55, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
I got the data from the website you passed along to me: "". It's run by a user named "shortbread". VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 19:44, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

Des conservateurs américains nient la relativité d'Einstein

Barthélémy, Pierre (April 3, 2013). "American conservatives deny Einstein's relativity." Le Monde website.
"Plusieurs de ces 48 pseudo-preuves n'ont pas de lien direct avec la relativité et elles montrent surtout que ceux qui les ont rassemblées – lesquels semblent vouloir se contenter de la théorie newtonienne de la gravitation – ne comprennent pas grand chose au sujet. Un constat que confirme l'examen de leurs sources. Pour ces 48 contre-exemples, on compte seulement 30 références et parmi ces 30 références, une seule est un article publié dans une revue scientifique à comité de lecture...."
Google translate:
Several of these 48 pseudo-proofs have no direct link with relativity and show above all that those who gathered them - who seem to want to be content with Newtonian theory of gravitation - do not understand much about the subject. A finding that confirms the examination of their sources. For these 48 counterexamples, there are only 30 references and among these 30 references, only one is an article published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal....
"So, Pierre, you called Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Relativity 'pseudo-proofs' and construed that only one of the list's referenced articles was 'published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal', a state of affairs which is 'confirmed' by your inspections that 'show above all that those who gathered not understand much about the subject.'"
"That's right."
"Tell me, how many of Einstein's papers would you construe were peer-reviewed by the journals in which they appeared?"
"? Just a minute." [goes back inside]
[ten minutes later, comes out]
"I'm not supposed to talk to you."

VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 09:48, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

"I'm not supposed to talk to you" - that sounds just like one of the rote replies that those confronted by Canada's Rebel News give in response when questioned about the illegal shenanigans of Justin Trudeau and his Liberals (or any other left-wing provincial party currently in power), their cronies and their liberal media (i.e. CBC, etc.) lapdogs, along with other liberal/leftist public officials (and the criminals they protect), corrupt police officers, Marxist college professors, leftist special interest groups and Communist professional protestors, and for the same exact reasons - like the groups I mentioned for their own reasons, those critical of the counterexamples to relativity, who dismissively call them "pseudo-proof" without giving any explanation why they make that claim, are extremely uncomfortable with the truth getting out and don't want it being exposed to the light of day for fear that their already-shaky and fragile narratives would be ripped to shreds. Northwest (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
This and the Jimmy Kimmel one are my favorite satires that I did. Could I have reached peak Milan? VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 10:51, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

SamHB from Boston

SamHB from Boston is apparently alive and well in hard-hit Massachusetts, his feelings still attached to Einstein's relativity. I wonder why Pierre Barthélémy didn't read SamHB's replies? With sounder arguments, he wouldn't have needed to contort himself into ridiculous positions to try and refute the counterexamples. Then again maybe he read an early draft where Sam said in the equation E=mc2, the "c" stands "constant" not "celerity" and gave up. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 23:31, 7 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm pretty sure I never wrote, in any draft anywhere, that "c" in E=mc2 stands for "constant". Can you cite the diff? I generally cite the diff when I am claiming that someone wrote something. Your reputation for accuracy, probity, and honesty would be enhanced if you did that. Now I probably did write that "c" stands for "constant" in a page on indefinite integration. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
This is the smoking gun for the peculiar claim you made about "constants" that I described. No integration.
OK, thank you for clarifying that for me. The discussion was about whether the speed of light has changed measurably in cosmological time. Speculation on this subject (other than nonsense from creationists) involves calculation of the fine structure constant from spectroscopic examination of stars in deep cosmological time. (See C_decay for a discussion of this.) While the change, authored by me, does contain the word "constant", it does not relate that to the "c" of E=mc2. The change also contains these words: counterexample, century, causing, conserved, complete, concern, classical, collide, can, calibration, considered, correct, clear, course, correspondence, complex, core, collapse, cited, comes, Conservapedia, claim, and cable. None of them are suggested as the origin for the letter designating the speed of light. In fact, that designation long predates the speculation on whether the speed of light has changed. It very well may have been based on "celerity"; I don't know or care. And thank you for the song lyrics below, or whatever that is. SamHB (talk) 20:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
You: The factor "c" appearing in equations of relativity (E=mc^2, the Lorentz factor, etc.) is the calibration constant for space vs. time. While it was perceived as the "speed of light" back in 1905,...
Thesis: "c" was identified as the "c" in E=mc2.
Antithesis: "c" "was perceived" as the "speed of light", but is not the "speed of light".
Sythesis: the factor "c" "is the calibration constant for space vs. time", not any of those other "c" terms you mentioned.
Corollary: "c" always stood for "calibration constant", and the "speed of light" was a misidentification.
Assumption: "c" never stood for some third identification with a numerical value.
Conclusion: Since "c" was only always identified with "calibration constant", therefore "c" must stand for the "calibrition constant", which, naturally, is a type of constant.
The worst part about this misidentification of "c" as an abbreviation for what is a constant, is that the underlying judgments that made you determine this, aren't even correct: there is a good deal of evidence that suggests it's not a constant at all, while remembering a photon neutrino can travel at a rate equal to the [potential] speed of light over long distances, until it [spontaneously] decays (an event which distinguishes that velocity from that of the calibration "constant", but not light's [typical] velocity over long distances).
  • That the Higgs Field is of equal dimensions throughout the visible universe, that the Higgs field doesn't change as time passes and that the Higgs Field doesn't expand even though the visible universe is thought to be expanding are all unproven assumptions which, if not true, would cause the "calibration constant" to vary.
Why? The physical properties penetrability permittivity of free space and permeability of free space may be determined, and vary, by physical features of the Higgs Field and those properties in turn may determine the value of the calibration "constant".
  • Richard P. Feynman, the father of quantum electrodynamics, a more important field than relativity, said:
The major contribution of P(A to B) occurs at the conventional speed of light—when (X2 - X1) is equal to (T2 - T1)—where one would expect it all to occur, but there is also an amplitude for light to go faster (or slower) than the conventional speed of light. You found out that in the last lecture that light doesn't go only in straight lines; now you find out that it doesn't go only at the speed of light!
It may surprise you that there is an amplitude for a photon to go at speeds faster or slower than the conventional speed, c. The amplitudes for these possibilities are very small compared to the contribution from speed c; in fact, they cancel out when light travels over long distances. However, when the distances are short—as in many of the diagrams I will be drawing—these other possibilities become vitally important and must be considered. (1983)
VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 02:13, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 17:22, 24 May 2020 (EDT) corr. 11:49, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Pistol was still smoking/Man lay on the floor. Sam
HB said he had an understanding with the law
Your intellectual methods would be well-accredited outwardly to seize the first opportunity to learn to use the search engine.
Tangentially, I'd advise you tend to your own reputation to see if the virtues you describe haven't already escaped you in some way, remarkable as it may seem. To the point of this tangent: If the 1919 eclipse fakery didn't sway any physicist to reconsider, it's doubtful they'd change their mind on account of any future adverse exposure. After all, it's majority rule, and sometimes the majority is prejudicial. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 08:55, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
English is a powerful, expressive, beautiful, and noble language. In fact, I believe user:conservative and I were in agreement on this observation in some discussion many months ago.
I would suggest that you read some books about science. You might find that, according to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, measurements of an operator yield a wave function that has some amount of dispersion. If the quantity being measured is the speed of photons, some results will be slightly higher than "c", and some will be slightly lower. People who understand basic quantum mechanics know this. This, and similar phenomena, do not contradict the behavior of non-quantum physics outside of the quantum realm. You would do well to read the Feynman lecture that you are citing.
You might also find that, because neutrinos have mass, their speed is very slightly less that "c". And they don't decay—there is no particle for them to decay into.
You might also learn something about the Higgs field, so that you can clearly communicate whatever you are trying to say about it.
You might also learn about the "permeability" and "permittivity" of free space, as well known and effectively complementary attributes relating to electromagnetism and Maxwell's equations, and that "penetrability", by contrast, is an obscure term apparently designed to put gravity on the same theoretical footing as electromagnetism. But it doesn't work, because it uses the classical Newtonian formulation of gravity, which hasn't been used for about 100 years. And that "permeability" and "permittivity" were formulated about 100 years before the Higgs field.
If you want to write Conservapedia articles about any of these topics, feel free to do so. SamHB (talk) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
My goodness! I'm quite surprised by the reception I got for one tiny change to a number. I guess I'm a rather renowned person around here. I'm flattered, because I often get the idea that I'm not well liked. It's good to know that I have some fans. I'll have more to say on these issues soon, but I've been very busy of late. By the way, I'm not from Boston. SamHB (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
If facepalms are a sign of esteem, you're 100% correct. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 03:26, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
No, SamHB, you're not "renowned" to the extent or for the reasons you think you are, but for you to think that in the first place would indicate narcissism on your part. You're also still causing problems in your replies by inserting some of them in the middle of other people's posts to interrupt the flow of the other posters' messages (seen here), which is considered poor form and perhaps even a bit rude. Northwest (talk) 01:54, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
I strongly suspect that Einstein was right about relativity for the most part. I have a Christian friend who is a scientist and reasonable man and he told me that Einstein was probably right. After looking at one of my diagrams, my physics high school teacher said I might be a physicist some day, but I will never be an artist. :) So that is the expertise I bring to the table. :)
Greeting Cons! You say sensible things occasionally. But I'd suggest that you not couple relativity with religion. I'm sure you know lots of Christian friends, and I'd guess that every single one of them who is not a Conservapedia contributor accepts relativity. I also know lots of Christian friends (as well as Jewish, atheist, agnostic, and so on), and I'm sure they all accept relativity. Keep up the good work. SamHB (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
If you read the Irreligion and superstition article, it cites a Wall Street Journal article citing research that shows that evangelical Christians are less likely to believe pseudoscience and superstition. That is why I mentioned that my scientist friend is a Bible-believing Christian and is reasonable too. Sorry I did not make this more explicit.
You don't need to apologize for that; what you said is quite clear, to me at least. I would guess that essentially all of your acquaintances are Christian, scientifically literate, reasonable, and accepting of relativity. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
With that being said, ultimately you have to run carefully designed experiments and duplicate results to achieve a high degree of scientific certainty. Conservative (talk) 16:56, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
Absolutely right. And the experiments that validate relativity have probably been run millions of times over the last 100 years. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
I also know that force equals mass times acceleration. I did create a lot of weighty atheism articles with great alacrity so Conservapedia is a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the topic of atheism. :) Conservative (talk) 23:45, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
I do appreciate the humor, and the pun on "alacrity". SamHB (talk) 15:54, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
In that case, if I were to edit the Einstein article, you might be a bit surprised by what you found, beside his scientific papers never being peer reviewed by the journals in which they appear. I'm sure many good and decent men believe evolution is still a soundly established scientific theory. And some of them are just goobers who try to insult Conservapedia. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 00:11, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
I'm not sure what you mean. Why don't you edit it, and then I'll tell you whether I am surprised.
I was talking to Conservative. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 10:36, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Relativity Denial? Really? It's still around?

I had thought that relativity denial had died out here at Conservapedia. Andy Schlafly seems to have lost interest, just as he had earlier lost interest in Complex number denial, Axiom of Choice denial, and his strange definition of elementary proof. Of course, he can speak for himself.

But I had thought that relativity denial had truly died out, and that my job was finished, which is why I haven't been around for a few months. Now I've noticed that occasionally someone other than Andy gets on the relativity denial bandwagon, and I had generally assumed that these were just cases of sycophancy. And I had noticed that such people seem to disappear when asked serious questions about the subject. In fact, this phenomenon was described, quite some time ago, in my [10] section.

A great man once said, "he who asserts move prove"! He really meant something different, but with the typo, he gave the logical rule a pleasantly dramatic sense of urgency.
I'm not going respond to your little jabs, even though you don't grasp the concept of being able to argue both sides of the case or the concept of you and AugustO repeating stale arguments because you think they are game-changers. I won't respond because you serve up sycophancy sandwiches and hidden inside is the assumption that only someone showing personal favoritism to Andy could ever defend any of his ideas. Tough luck for you. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 09:18, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

I can't believe that I need to explain that Einstein's papers on relativity were peer-reviewed

The ignorance is utterly appalling. It has to be intentional.

But, since some people here seem to think that relativity, not to mention reality, is "fake news", let me spell it out for you.

Einstein's four main papers on relativity:

  • On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies (Zur Elektrodynamik Bewegter körper)
  • Does the Inertia of a Body Depend on its Energy-Content? (Ist die Trägheit eines Körpers von seinem Energieinhalt abhängig?)
  • On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light (über den einfluß der schwerkraft auf die ausbreitung des lichtes)
  • The Foundation of the General Theory of Relativity (Die Grundlage der allgemeinen Relativitätstheorie)

were all published in Annalen der Physik, a renowned scientific journal that's been around for 220 years. Its submissions are peer-reviewed. While it's possible that the peer-review process might not have been as rigorous in 1905 as it is now, that is easily made up for by the fact that these papers have been world-famous for over 100 years, and the Theory of Relativity has been effectively peer-reviewed thousands of times over by thousands of scientists. Wikipedia ariticle on Annalen der Physik says that its articles are peer-reviewed. For people who don't accept reality, here's the information for people wishing to make submissions:

Only original papers not yet published and not simultaneously submitted for publication elsewhere can be accepted.
"When considering submission of an article to Annalen der Physik, read the General Information (see carefully. In case of any questions, contact the Editor-in-Chief. Submit your paper as simple PDF document via our online submission system (ScholarOne) at Your submission must be accompanied by a statement that the paper has not been submitted simultaneously to another journal. A covering letter explaining briefly why you believe your article is appropriate for Annalen der Physik will be appreciated. Please also indicate in the cover letter the Editor to whom your paper should be forwarded. Annalen der Physik is a double peer-reviewed journal with a preceding editorial screening."

Anyone wishing to submit Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Relativity page to Annalen der Physik is welcome to do so. Let us now how it turns out. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Sam: Water? You mean like from the toilet? Sam's equivocations

I think it is unseemly to put a reference to toilets in a subheading, so that anyone looking at the table of contents will see it. This has nothing to do with the subject being discused. SamHB (talk) 01:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

He never said it, but it's almost if you'd've expected him to, the way he equivocates, which means only using a word's definition in the sense that is convenient to him as a conveyance to different subjects as pleasing as they are irrelevant. A vivid denunciation in a header and the lede, followed by interpretations that could mean almost anything and prove nothing. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 09:45, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm sure SamHB knows nothing about embarrassment (see below), so he wouldn't understand why a peer reviewer would want to praise a paper of Einstein's, whether he believed it or not. Faking that 1919 paper is like winning the Heisman trophy and then later finding out the player had been taking steroids. To physicists on the "team", overturning the reputation of relativity scientists would have to be prevented at any cost! VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 09:54, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Peer review is overrated. Scientific fraud is relatively high now and peer review doesn't seem to be making an appreciable difference in stopping its uptick. And right now, academia is filled with corruption.
There is much truth to what you say. There is a lot of dishonesty in the scientific field, as there is in all fields. But Einstein's papers have been informally but effectively "peer reviewed" thousands of times over the last 115 years. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
My friend said that GPSs and atomic clocks confirm that Einstein was right because the technology confirms and/or is based on Einstein's work.Conservative (talk) 02:34, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
Louis Essen invented the atomic clock, and he didn't agree. Food for thought. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 03:13, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
People who cite Louis Essen against relativity ought to read his arguments on the subject. I have found them, archived on the "wayback machine", in this 1986 paper:
and, of course, this 1988 paper:
Many similar discussions from that era may be found in this archive:

Relativity deniers who want to take Essen seriously should read these papers and distill them down to brief explanations in the Counterexamples to Relativity page. I'll be watching, knives ready, for your additions. Until then, it is impossible to take people's reference to Essen seriously. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

No wonder you think anyone who helps Andy is a sycophant; you can't bear the thought of ever disputing Einstein, so with your one-sided abilities, you get others to do it for you, so additionally you don't have to admit you sought out their arguments; they were brought to you.
Me, on the other hand, I often defend Andy's ideas whether they interest me less or more, as examples of the merits of his arguments, not in hopes of swaying his opinions simply because I can defend them, as could many other people if they were honest with themselves. It's none of your business which of Andy's articles I'm interested in, and those in which I have less interest. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 10:15, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
I had no idea. My high school algebra teacher was better than my physics teacher. One of the editors of the User: Conservative account went to a strict private school. I went to some good public schools, but frankly, most private, strict, religious schools are better than public schools in the USA. By strict, I mean they have higher standards including more homework.Conservative (talk) 03:50, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
Cons, I agree. A lot of schools have scandalously low standards, and many religious schools are bucking that trend. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
The more you understand about this 1972 incident, the more embarrassing it gets. It's even worse than the 1919 star-bending fakery that made Einstein famous. The results were predicted from the theory of the nature of gravity as a field and motion path studies, but they used special relativity theory having to do with uniform relative velocity to solve the equations.
What are you referring to? To me, the phrase "1972 incident" refers to the Watergate break-in. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
I'm not surprised you don't know! Just look how you messed up the heading hierarchy in your attempts to "be cool". VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 10:51, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
The atomic clocks were de-synchronized in the experiment by as much as 300 nanoseconds. But they didn't use all the data, so they could have cherry-picked them. And they use a kind of statistical renormalization on the data, but they never give the details, and the de-synchronization may actually represent a place within the margin of precision that is statistically insignificant.
The journal Science apparently refused to make a retraction, and the journal Nature definitely wouldn't publish a report of the anomalies, but a Creationist journal did. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 10:22, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
The embarrassment continues to this very day. The gravity wave detector project claimed to discover gravity waves, but why did they first leak the results to a non-scientist atheist activist that you profiled who couldn't authenticate it? VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 10:29, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
What "embarrassment" are you talking about? To whom was the discovery leaked? Was the leak improper? Does it invalidate the discovery of gravity waves? See Gravitational waves for our article on the subject, by the way. Is it significant that this person was an atheist? An "activist"? A "non-scientist"? SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
It's a pity that someone like you, from whom we see undeniable glimpses of genius, is so uneducated. You seem as though you know virtually nothing about creationist science. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 10:26, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Sam HB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts

SamHB, I worked for a company based in Framingham, Massachusetts. Here is a news story for you: Strange accent leads to Framingham arrest.

Thanks for that story. I had expected it to be about the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" accent that people wrongly ascribe to Massachusetts folks. But instead it was about a police officer who was so knowledgeable about Spanish that he picked up on someone not having the Puerto Rican accent that he should have had. By the way, the "pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd" canard is way overblown. Most Bostonians/Cantabrigians don't talk that way, because (a) mass communication (i.e. television) has homogenized the language, and (b) most people other than the elderly came to the area from elsewhere in order to attend college, and are still there. SamHB (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

By the way, a message to all people from Boston, Massachusetts: Stop pronouncing the word car wrong! Conservative (talk) 02:20, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

OK, suh. I mean OK sir! SamHB (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

Antifragility, stress testing and silver linings

"Antifragility is beyond resilience or robustness. The resilient resists shocks and stays the same; the antifragile gets better."[11]

Stress testing "(sometimes called torture testing) is a form of deliberately intense or thorough testing used to determine the stability of a given system, critical infrastructure or entity. It involves testing beyond normal operational capacity, often to a breaking point, in order to observe the results."[12]

It was recently pointed out that evangelical Christianity thrives even under extreme economic/social instability/duress.[13]

On the other hand, it has been pointed out that the coronavirus pandemic showed the shortcomings of secular leftism/liberalism and that various secular leftists/liberal institutions got hammered during the pandemic.

Pointing these matters out triggered a blogger at the Friendly Atheist blog and triggered certain gentlemen at an atheist/agnostic wiki.

Gentlemen, it is not my fault that biblical Christianity is so robust and that secular leftism/liberalism is more fragile than vases and eggshells.

The prestigious Mayo Clinic found that that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.[1]

The Telegraph reported: "Patients with a strong “intrinsic faith” (a deep personal belief, not just a social inclination to go to a place of worship) recover 70 per cent faster from depression than those who are not deeply religious." (see also: Atheism and depression).[14] The prestigious Mayo Clinic found that that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better physical health, mental health, health-related quality of life and other health outcomes.[15]

The Apostle Paul and the other disciples of Jesus Christ went through severe persecution and hardship without mentally breaking down (2 Corinthians 11:25-28). According to Dr. Ernest Liang at Houston Baptist University, resilience is a hallmark of Christian character.[16]

On the other hand, the election of Donald Trump upset many secular leftists to the degree that it caused them depression and mental illness (see: Secular leftists and psychogenic illness and Atheism and depression and Atheism and suicide).

On October 2, 2019, the atheist David Silverman indicated the experience of being accused of sexual harrassment, being fired from the American Atheists organization and losing many of his former atheist friends caused him a "horrific level of pain" that "damaged" him and that he now has textbook symptoms of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.[17] In addition, he did have suicidal thoughts.[18] Furthermore, he says he now takes medication and he is still a damaged person.[19] Silverman formerly served as the president of the American Atheists organization. Silverman told atheist David Smalley in an interview that he suffers from depression and that he doubts his self-worth.[20]

When asked if he believes in God, Jordan Peterson responded: "I think the proper response to that is No, but I'm afraid He might exist".[21] In 2019, the New York Post published an article Jordan Peterson enters rehab after wife’s cancer diagnosis which indicated "The “12 Rules for Life” author has sought help trying to get off the anti-anxiety drug clonazepam".[22]

And it is not my fault, that many atheists/agnostics lack backbones and intestinal fortitude. See: Atheism and mental toughness and Atheism and cowardice.

I hope this clarifies matters.Conservative (talk) 10:36, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

To be fair, Peterson had a paradoxical reaction to the drug; it made him more anxious. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 10:56, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
Like many atheists, Peterson is an oddball who is a bit nuts. He only eats meat for example.
None of the apostles, if they were alive today, would need to take drugs to cope with life's troubles. Neither would John Wayne for that matter! :) Secular liberals/leftists are not as resilient as Bible believers who God matures and gives strength to. The Telegraph reported: "Patients with a strong “intrinsic faith” (a deep personal belief, not just a social inclination to go to a place of worship) recover 70 per cent faster from depression than those who are not deeply religious." (see also: Atheism and depression).[23] 12:57, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
Even as the coronavirus crisis keeps Christians from churches, faith appears to be growing, while atheists continue to lose influence in the world.[24][25]
The data keeps pouring in! A tidal wave of confirming data. It's really an embarrassment of riches!Conservative (talk) 13:15, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
It's been crashin all around us like an 'uge tidal wave, and they all bear the mark GAC (guilty as charged). VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 12:56, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Times-are changing—
Soon-they'll be...
Just-like Ho, lly-wood...
Saw-it on na
Sil, ver-screen...
The-sto ry-don't look good.
VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 12:56, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Okay, enough "professional wrestling"-type moves. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 15:23, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

Deep state loses its allure, starts to appreciate civil rights more

Is it just me, or is Northwest not the only conservative that's being more aggressive?

I played these clowns and got them right where I wanted when they tried to set me up with the $10,000 in Israel. I gave it right to my lawyer. That money has tracks and they lead directly to the special counsel. —George Papadopoulos

If George would just come out of his shell and say what he really means, he could make a solid contribution to helping us all overcome our lack of confidence in confronting the deep state. He also said the $10,000 was the iceberg into which the Titanic deep state struck. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 11:28, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

Another defeat for the Deep State as Trump begins to turn against Saudi Arabia and begins rolling back our military presence there.[26]--Geopolitician (talk) 17:48, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
George means the Mueller team engaged in prosecutorial misconduct. The bills are marked, and can be traced directly back the Mueller team, which marked them. They had zero probable cause to harass and/or investigate him. Lawyers face disbarment and civil rights charges. It's bigger than Watergate. RobSLive Free or Die 15:42, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

Lesson of the Flynn case: Don't talk to the police

Thirty years from now, liberals will still be talking about the dropping the Flynn case as the Great Crime of the Trump administration. Obama himself is already laying the groundwork: "Exclusive: Obama says in private call that 'rule of law is at risk' in Michael Flynn case." Why do I say this? Because this fiction is only way liberals can avoid admitting the obvious, that Obama targeted Flynn as a political hit. None of the principles here -- Obama, Comey, and Strzok -- ever showed the slightest interest in enforcing the Logan Act against anyone other than Flynn. DOJ regulations require that the investigation of a cabinet officer must be approved by the attorney general. Yet it seems that Sally Yates was bypassed: "Sally Yates learned of Flynn targeting from Obama as Comey kept her in the dark, declassified documents show." The bottom line is "Never talk to the police." You have a right to remain silent. Use it. This is the advise that every lawyer gives, but Flynn didn't follow it. Flynn's case is remarkable because you'd expect that the FBI would respect due process when the suspect is such a prominent individual. But this video tells the tragic tales of lesser known suspects who made the same mistake. PeterKa (talk) 23:51, 8 May 2020 (EDT)

Joe Biden was present at the January 5, 2017 Oval Office meeting, too. [27] RobSLive Free or Die 00:17, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Here is a classic video from Regents University in relation to the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution: Don't Talk to the Police.
I was called into a police department for questioning about a 2 year old incident in which a young man in his 20s came home and spit up blood and shortly died afterwards. It happened after he attended a high school graduation party which I attended. The police evidently suspected foul play.
A policeman became very aggravated at me after he asked me if I recalled someone wearing sunglasses at the graduation party which happened at night. My police interrogator said in a followup question, "Surely, you would remember someone wearing sunglasses at night?". I responded, "That was 2 years ago". The policeman gave me a disgusted and aggravated look. And that was pretty much the end of the interrogation.
Maybe it was foul play. I found out some negative things about the person giving the party in the neighborhood afterward.Conservative (talk) 01:17, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
The January 5, 2017 meeting shows Obama's complicity in both the illegal spying and coup. Obama was illegally getting the substance of conversations of transition members. The January 5 meeting was called because a day earlier the FBI cleared Flynn and the FISA warrant was due to expire January 12. The immediate problem was to extend the FBI's illegal surveillance beyond Obama's term of office by getting a FISA renewal. Obama is complicit in Deep State coup 1.0. RobSLive Free or Die 13:26, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Obama claims that there is "no precedent that anybody can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free." So it's all about the Justice Department's track record? Really, Obama should have thought of that before he charged Flynn. What about Bill Clinton's impeachment? The Democrat line was that the Clinton case was "just about sex." Whether or not it was right for him to get off "scot-free" on a perjury charge never even came up as an issue. PeterKa (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Sit still. There are more revelations to come. We're only talking about the Flynn case. At minimum, prosecutorial misconduct of the Mueller team should result in disbarment if not criminal prosecutions. RobSLive Free or Die 20:02, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Jonathan Turley looks up the record and finds that Obama is full of it. Eric Holder, Obama's own attorney general, dropped a perjury conviction for same reason Barr did in the Flynn case: prosecutorial misconduct. The problem is apparently common enough that there is a specific rule (FRCP 48(a)) and a Supreme Court opinion to cover it. PeterKa (talk) 02:18, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Is that the Ted Stevens case? RobSLive Free or Die 05:11, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, U.S. Senator Ted Stevens' conviction was overturned in 2009.[28] PeterKa (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Obama said "perjury"; first off, where are Flynn's FBI 302 interview notes? They were destroyed, evidence tampering on the part of the FBI (McCabe, Strzok, and Pientka). Secondly, "perjury" refers to a judicial proceeding, not an interview with executive branch officials. If Obama want's to litigate facts, let's do it. RobSLive Free or Die 20:08, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Sad shape


Conservative once said that over time, the infection rate will increase and decrease in the shape of a bell curve.

But, for now at least, it is spreading like an oil slick (i.e. at a constant daily rate until it can't spread any more). VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 00:10, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

Read A snapshot of coronavirus in the U.S.: A high plateau of new cases portends more spread.
Of course, the solution is self-evident. If people wear their masks around their neck or sloppily do not cover their nose with their masks, they need to be publicly hanged! And if someone tries to walk closer than 6 feet of you, shoot them! It's everyone man for himself! The Mad Max movie series gives mankind the solution to the coronavirus pandemic! Of course, I am being satirical. I hope you have an appreciation for dark humor.
Some gentlemen at an atheist wiki have let the silver linings posts concerning the coronavirus crisis get under their skin. Yet, I do think the coronavirus shows that some worldviews are robust and their adherents handle stresses/instability well, while others worldviews suffer under such stresses and so do their adherents.Conservative (talk) 01:42, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
"Shoot them dead": Philippine President Duterte threatens coronavirus lockdown violators.
"On Thursday, as often happens after Duterte makes these sorts of inflammatory public remarks, Filipino officials rushed to insist that the president was simply using hyperbole to communicate the gravity of the situation.
"Probably the president just overemphasized on implementing the law in this time of crisis," Philippine National Police Chief Archie Gamboa said, adding that officers understood that they were not actually being instructed to kill troublemakers."[29]Conservative (talk) 02:09, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
The psychiatric hospital Serbsky State Scientific Center for Social and Forensic Psychiatry, formerly called the Serbsky Institute, was used during the Soviet Union era to engage in “psychiatric terror” against political dissidents. See: Atheist hospitals.
Actually, I think much more humane approaches can be taken when it comes to rigorously enforcing the public wearing of masks and social distancing.
A puritanical approach could be used. Countries could bring back the use of pillories, public floggings and the wearing of scarlet letters for people who don't wear masks, wear their masks improperly (like around their necks or not covering their noses) or who don't practice social distancing for the prescribed 6ft.
For the Catholic portion of the populace, one could have nuns with very big rulers enforce the quarantine rules.
The Muslims could have caning and public flogging for those who flout quarantine rules.
The atheists could use atheist hospitals where "psychiatric terror" is used against people who flout the quarantine rules.
And because wimpy agnostics have no tradition of no-nonsense approaches to enforcing rules, they would have to be put in internment camps.
This approach would essentially be a very strict form of nanny statism. A hybrid of liberalism and no-nonsense religiosity/irreligion.
I hope this clarifies on how bell shaped curves could be accomplished in the absence of a vaccine. :)Conservative (talk) 06:36, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
The Texas woman who thumbed her nose at the $7,000 fine imposed on her for opening up her hair salon shows that mere wimpy, nanny state, liberalism is not effective and a hybrid form of liberalism and no-nonsense religiosity/irreligion has to be used. :) Conservative (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Conservative: Here's some source material for the CCP's use of Psychiatric confinement of political dissidents (See page 3, Table I and footnote 14 which leads you to other source information). RobSLive Free or Die 13:38, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
The reason the coronavirus crisis is such a calamity is threefold: 1) The medical community is poor at recognizing/acknowledging non-drug/non-surgery elements of treatments out of greed/ignorance (zinc sulfate, see: Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment). 2) The mainstream news organizations are very poor at reporting the news (such as how effective Zelenko's treatment is) 3) Americans and many other nations have populations that are too overweight so there is a risk of ICUs being overwhelmed plus it raises the mortality rate of coronavirus infections. Conservative (talk) 15:38, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

Political profiling

Question: Demographically, what is the most determining factor of whether you show up at a picket line or mass demonstration to be a part of a mass protest? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 00:34, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

I'll take a shot in the dark: a white person between the ages of 35 and 55 who self-identifies as Progressive. RobSLive Free or Die 13:19, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Contest ends 10p Eastern Time today. The winner gets 5$ worth of groceries. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 19:31, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
College educated white liberals below 35. RobSLive Free or Die 20:21, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
Nobody won the groceries. The surpising answer to what the most determining factor to being a sign-carrying protestor is...being an atheist. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 22:56, 9 May 2020 (EDT)
VargasMilan, may I see your source please?Conservative (talk) 00:09, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
I learned that over 30 years ago in college. No! Nobody may know my source! Next question! VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 07:19, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Missing Mifsud clue

In July 2018, George Papadopoulos's wife Simona Mangiante testified that deep state Joseph Mifsud was a member of the Clinton Foundation as well. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 20:11, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

In and of itself, that means nothing. Mangiante was quoting what Mifsud told an Italian language magazine about himself. Truth is, the Clinton Foundation doesn't have "members". It has donors, a board of directors, and employees. Mifsud has never been any. RobSLive Free or Die 20:24, 9 May 2020 (EDT)

Official election predictions from Conservapedia?

Just wondering, should Conservapedia make official election predictions for the 2020 U.S. elections (presidential, Senate, House, and gubernatorial)? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 00:13, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

You mean like create page? If so, how about 2020 unofficial election predictions just to put a little air between inevitability. RobSLive Free or Die 01:06, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Is it okay if it's in the form of a Conservapedia project page? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 01:11, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
I guess it depends how you want to use it. Linking from the Main Page? It could also be titled 2020 CP unofficial election predictions. Consider it experimental; after the election, see how the predictions stack up against other forecasts. If it beats an average of some big name forecasters, next time maybe call it official. RobSLive Free or Die 05:07, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

I think it's a great idea, Liberaltears. If it gets really good, even the lamestream media may have to report on it. Of course, it's a work in progress and just beginning. But we can compile all the best polls and other information for each state. If it's anything like even 90% accurate, in comparison to final results, that'll be great and much, much better than what the liberal media was able to do. God Bless. NishantXavier (talk) 11:54, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Obamagate trending on Google and Twitter


Obamagate is trending on Google and Twitter since President Trump tweeted it this morning. CP virtually owns the name ObamagateTM and definitive narrative. RobSLive Free or Die 23:23, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Hashtag ObamaGate trending No. 4 on Twitter with 1.5 million tweets. [30] RobSLive Free or Die 23:49, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Correction: 1.7 million hits 10 minutes later. RobSLive Free or Die 00:21, 11 May 2020 (EDT)



Just so you guys know, Japan's also locking down as well. I'd know because some of the games I'm playing are negatively affected by the COVID-19 aspects, including having livestreams being cancelled and having half-baked events, also extended events and even having blatant reruns of past events. Oh, and they're making TGS 2020 a digital-only event in large part thanks to COVID-19's outbreak, so it's not just us who's locking down. Not that it's a good thing that we're even engaging in a lockdown, though. Pokeria1 (talk) 05:53, 11 May 2020 (EDT)

Japan has an aging population. Oldest average population in the world. Italy is second. Coronavirus infections are especially bad for elderly people. Conservative (talk) 05:13, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

Relatively unimportant

"[C]ompared to this discovery that Newton's laws of motion were quite wrong in atoms, the theory of relativity was only a minor modification."—Richard Feynman, father of quantum electrodynamics.

VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 05:37, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

Employed workers in the U.S.

As I said earlier, in March 2020, 3.0 million people dropped out of the employed labor force. Now it's reported in April 2020, another 22.3 million people dropped out. The total popluation size of the employed is now 133.4 million. People are still hoping for a V-shaped recovery, though. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 19:37, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

We have the birth of a whole knew industry - contact tracers. RobSLive Free or Die 19:47, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
I expect those that hold those jobs who pester innocent Americans will end up phoneless and broozed.
People have failed to take my advice to heart and are reporting ridiculous numbers of the unemployed. NumbersUSA apparently doesn't know their estimates are inaccurate enough to represent an irony to them that the whole goodwill caused by an attachment to the basics that their company name implies will turn into a negative should any of their rival population data-gathering services make an effort to point it out. Their count is 40 million (not 25.3 million). VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 02:55, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
"unemployed" is defined as actively seeking work in the past 30 days. Because of lockdown, the real unemployed rate is probably double what has been published. RobSLive Free or Die 21:34, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
Yes, and they are seeking work from businesses that are closed. It's not a good index during a pestilence. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 23:32, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
If we have 30 million unemployed today, we'll be lucky to have 12 million unemployed by the end of the year. That's a lot of people that need to be mollified and shielded from DNC/CCP propaganda between now and the election. Pelosi is already pulling an Andrew Yang, promising them $2,000 to sit on their butts and claiming its the GOP standing between them, their monthly allowance, and their drugs. RobSLive Free or Die 03:49, 14 May 2020 (EDT)RobSLive Free or Die 03:46, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
I need a new word: There are 25.3 million disemployed. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 18:26, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

Jon McCray made a video about an "Atheist Church"

[31] Notice it has one of those "attention mass shooters, we're all unarmed in here, so come in and kill us" sign by the door. Then again, most mass shooters are Atheists or Muslims, and Christians are more often the targets. This "assembly" looks like one of the most depressing places in the world. Are there articles about this? Shobson20 (talk) 21:30, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

Jim Jones. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 03:01, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

Russians could have taken screenshots, Crowdstrike president says

Since Crowdstrike refused to give the FBI access to the DNC servers, the "Russians hacked the DNC" narrative was always based on the Crowdstrike's unsupported claims. In recently declassified testimony, Crowdstrike President Shawn Henry admits that the FBI's tech people were not satisfied with the access they got, Comey's claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Furthermore, there is no record of hackers downloading DNC data, or "exfiltrating" it, as Henry puts it. Could they have access anyway? Well, they could if they took screenshots, according to Henry. No, I'm not kidding. This is 70 gigabytes of data: "[If] somebody was monitoring an email server, they could read all the email," Henry said. "And there might not be evidence of it being exfiltrated, but they would have knowledge of what was in the email. … There would be ways to copy it. You could take screenshots."[32] Just think of all of the years that were wasted because we assumed that the "experts" at Crowdstrike knew something that the rest of us didn't. PeterKa (talk) 20:56, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

The ghost of Seth Rich lives! NBC's Shawn Henry evidently colluded with Crowdstrike to hoax America. RobSLive Free or Die 21:37, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

New poll reveals Trump leading Biden in two critical 2020 states

"In Ohio, the poll showed Trump leading Biden 46 percent to 43 percent. It also found that 62 percent — a vast majority — of Ohio voters believe the president will be reelected.

Trump’s lead in Texas is even bigger, with the president leading Biden 47 percent to 41 percent.

In Texas, 61 percent said they believe Trump will win a second term in office." NishantXavierFor Christ the King 21:20, 13 May 2020 (EDT)

Even Obama's panicking

Apparently, even Obama's panicking at the walls closing in on him, based on his outburst to the New York Times, so this should be noted:

Pokeria1 (talk) 12:29, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

It's a delaying tactic. Obama and his totalitarian cohorts want a delay with this amicus hearing. Then Sullivan imposes a sentence and the alleged conviction stands to protect Obama and his corrupt administration. This of coarse can be thwarted with a presidential pardon before final sentencing.
Alternatively, without a pardon, Sullivan can sentence (even give a suspended sentence, but the conviction stands) and Flynn appeals, which drags the whole thing out past the election. Look for either (1) Durham indictments which then give cover to a presidential pardon, or (2) a presidential pardon before sentencing to end this nonsense. RobSLive Free or Die 12:56, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
Haven't the prosecution already dropped Flynn's case? VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 18:42, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
Yah. So Obama says Flynn committed perjury when he pled guilty, lying to the court. Then the judge appoints Sally Yates and Andrew Weissmann's attorney to write a brief saying as much. The judge then can appoint somebody to prosecute. It's totally illegal of coarse, but we're dealing with the Obama machine that has no respect for law or human rights. RobSLive Free or Die 20:35, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
  • I am not so sure that Obama is panicking. Maybe he wants to be president again. What's holding him back, you ask? I'm thinking it's Michelle. Now he can now tell her, "I have to run for president or big bad Trump will put me in jail." Would the media give Tara Reade's accusations so much attention if Biden was in fact Obama's man? PeterKa (talk) 03:55, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
At this point it's almost a foregone conclusion Biden will be dumped. He needs to step back voluntarily. Health matters seems to be the best cover. An orderly transition is necessary, so it would seem Biden needs to anoint the successor, which presumably would be a woman (including, per Biden, the possibility of a transgender). He could announce on opening day of the convention, "Thanks, but no thanks. The doctors say blah blah blah. Here, take my illegitimate daughter in my place (insert female candidate)." RobSLive Free or Die 04:22, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Rob, the futures markets haven't budged. You thought Biden would be gone after South Carolina. I don't think your memories of Biden match up with today's reality. But if I'm wrong, you stand to make a fortune by shorting Biden in the futures market. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 11:40, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
Nominating Biden would be tantamount to throwing in the towel to another four years of Trump, as even most Democrats see it. Unless they have a foolproof method of stuffing the ballot box nationwide in key states. The absence of downballot candidates complaining makes it worrisome. RobSLive Free or Die 13:54, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Wikipedia is adding back Niskanen predictions for their Senate elections page

Did anyone notice that Wikipedia recently added back the Niskanen predictions for their Senate elections page? I'm really not sure why their editors would view that as a good idea, given Niskanen's self-admitted bias against Republicans in claiming that they supposedly try to use voter ID laws to suppress minorities. And the predictions seem like hogwash. For Arizona, it's almost as if this mere RCP page says everything! And no, as of right now, the Colorado race for Sen. Gardner is not just going to be “Likely Democrat”. The latter would only be the case if Hickenlooper is the nominee, and he lost in the precinct caucuses to Romanoff (a far-left progressive) by a landslide. But come to think of it, it's really not like Wikipedia is full of liberal bias or anything... --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 01:17, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

Wuhan gets tested


The insanity of virus testing is on full display in Wuhan. China is in the process of testing the city's 11 million residents in ten days. The people of Wuhan have a lot on their plate these days, if this call recorded by the mayor's office is anything to go by: "Do you know that we don't normally go out? Then you suddenly asked us all to go out, get together and line up since 8 am. We still couldn't get tested. We've been waiting for three hours. Our kid hadn't been out for a few months. Now our kid has to get tested too. What on Earth are you thinking? During the testing process, you have to take off your mask and open your mouth. With so many people to see to, how can the medical staff have time to change gloves and disinfect? People there are coughing and sneezing. The air is contaminated."[33]

The propaganda department needs statistics. Perhaps the party will use the testing to claim that everything is fine in Wuhan, or perhaps they can no longer cover up how bad things have gotten and need a face saving way to let the truth out. Either way, it's hard to see how this operation is serving a public health purpose. PeterKa (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2020 (EDT)

It's a propaganda campaign. They reported six new cases, so they are going to test 11 million people in 10 days - logistically impossible. That won't stop American fake news media from reporting it as fact, in support of the Chinese Communist murderers game of one-ups-manship with Trump. RobSLive Free or Die 04:13, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Yah right. Testers don't change gloves; swabs cross contaminated in jars, etc. [34] RobSLive Free or Die 08:58, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

2nd wave of Wuhan virus

The most probable hottest day of the year in the northern hemisphere will be about July 21, 2020. Likewise temperatures are most likely to become colder than average about October 21, 2020. By the second date, whatever infections that remain that don't lead to the infected to seeking medical attention and quarantine but make the infected ill enough to spread if they fail to take precautions, will seed the 2nd wave of the Wuhan virus. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 09:51, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

An estimated 55 million Americans have contracted the Wuhan virus according to Bill Mitchell. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 12:05, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
There's no reason to doubt that estimate, and seems pretty good. Texas is now just getting hit, and L.A. could have serious problems in the near future which could be more drawn out than the New York experience. But some things have been learned from New York.
A big unknown remains about reoccurrences. And a full range of identifying symptoms has yet to be fully developed. RobSLive Free or Die 13:50, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
If the virus comes back, I'll be ready with my "3-D" masks and hand sanitizer. I certainly hope that's what everyone else does. I don't think the economy can take a another lockdown. PeterKa (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Trump and hydroxychloroquine

Trump is taking hydroxychloroquine and zinc, according to White House physician Sean Conley. The drug takes all the energy out of you, at least when you first start taking it. As Zelensky says, it is not candy. If he has been taking it for a week and a half, I am surprised nobody has noticed any side effects yet. The great part is that the liberal media is convinced he'll be dead in a week. They've certainly been shilling hard for remdesivir. I hope Gilead Sciences pays them a bonus. PeterKa (talk) 22:42, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Trump has been a germophobe his entire life, and only started shaking hands in 2016 on the campaign trail. He may have low immunity to many common infections. RobSLive Free or Die 22:50, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
If Trump is worried about covid-19, he is taking the right drug: "Hydroxychloroquine rated 'most effective therapy' by doctors for coronavirus: Global survey." Use of the hydroxychloroquine is politically fraught in the U.S., but Spanish and Italian physicians are big on prescribing it. If the drug was actually dangerous, I'm sure we'd be seeing news stories about all the fatalities in those countries. PeterKa (talk) 23:25, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
I did not know that hydroxychloroquine takes all the energy out of you, at least when you first start taking it. Donald Trump can take hydroxychloroquine and zinc because unlike Jeb Bush he is not "low energy". Arriba, arriba! Andale, andale![35]Conservative (talk) 00:22, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Please remember it's hydroxychloroquine SULFATE. RobS discovered the Chinese erroneously recommended hydroxychloroquine PHOSPHATE, the same fish tank cleaner that killed the Democratic woman's husband. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 01:00, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Trump's association with the HOCQ Sulfate treatment is a grand slam for Trump. It makes him look like Thomas Edison. Cynically speaking, Biden's best move is just to make a mess of that picture for horselaughs if the facts and Trump's judgment can't be disputed, even if it costs Biden support by those who respect scientific literacy, most of whom probably wouldn't ever vote for him anyway. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 10:47, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Bonus points: The chemical name of Clorox is sodium hypochlorite which sounds a little like hydroxychloroquine, so it's an easier chemical than most to entangle with it when you're sassing a Trump defender. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 13:10, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

The incredible seven-decade-old drug is back in the news because of the FDA. What the media won't mention is that it has to be taken with Zinc to be effective, alone the drug won't help COVID patients. Two sentences into the article they go for the Trump jugular. Liberal journalism is comprised of schoolyard taunts and grudges. [36] --Jpatt 09:47, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

Who walks Pompeo's dog?

I may be going out on a limb here, but frankly I don't care who walks Pompeo's dog. Furthermore, I don't think the State Department should have an employee whose job it is to find out: "Fired State Dept. IG Was Probing Whether Pompeo Made Staffer Walk His Dog." Why should the department keep an Obama holdover as inspector general? This was the best answer Steve Linick could come up with. PeterKa (talk) 02:09, 19 May 2020 (EDT)

My God, did he cuss the staffer out and eat his salad with a comb, too? Did her digitally penetrate the staffer? RobSLive Free or Die 02:21, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Here is the cute little pooch. Who wouldn't want to walk him? I bet he growls at the Chinese ambassador. PeterKa (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2020 (EDT)
Back in the "scandal-free" Obama administration, the mayor of Sacramento used federal funds to pay hush money to underage girls who accused him of sexual abuse. What did Obama do about it? He fired Inspector General Gerald Walpin for reporting it: "Obama Fired an Inspector General to Cover Up a Sex Scandal and No One Said Boo About It." PeterKa (talk) 18:12, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
If you practice cultural Marxism, especially if you belong to an identity group, you are immune to publicity if you commit a sexual offense. That "immunity" is why they are going down in flames. They never "opened a dialogue", but fantasized that everybody liked what they did. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 18:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Liberal commentators are arguing that Linick is non-partisan because he issued a report critical of Hillary's email usage in May 2016. But of course Democrats were involved in promoting the email story early on. Obama aide Valerie Jarrett leaked it to the New York Times in March 2015. Obama didn't get around to exonerating Hillary until an interview on Fox News on April 10, 2016. Perhaps he was hoping that someone other than Hillary would be the nominee. PeterKa (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Trump embraces "Best of the public"

"Thank you to all of my great Keyboard Warriors. You are better, and far more brilliant, than anyone on Madison Avenue (Ad Agencies). There is nobody like you!" —Donald J. Trump (May 14, 2020).

VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 04:16, 20 May 2020 (EDT)


Yesterday, I made some sourced entries at the Pakistan page - only to find a day later that they had all been removed by a user named Bytemsbu who replaced it with some particularly opinionated and non-objective views. Going through the contributions of this account, I find that their edits are highly influenced by a pro-India slant, and have little to do with American conservative thought. Is there a place where one can discuss content disputes and edits? I am feeling highly discouraged after seeing this. RepublicanRichard (talk) 11:08, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Bytemsbu was also edit warring in the Barack Hussein Obama page, as evident in the page history here. As for discussing disputes, that would be on the talk pages for the content pages being disputed over. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 11:56, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Also, if you have more issues like this one to inquire about in the future, it's better to do it in Conservapedia:Community Portal that's internally linked above, as this page is related to content for the Main Page. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 11:59, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Atheists in praise of Christianity! Is this a sign of things to come?!

I love this. Atheists are praising Christianity as the foundation of western civilizational values, and admitting atheism might not be able to have any substitute for it! "Holland’s passionate defense of Christianity is fascinating because it appears to be part of a trend. As the West becomes definitively post-Christian, many secularists are suddenly realizing that Christianity may have been more valuable than they thought. While many — including Holland — cannot quite bring themselves to believe Christianity is true, they are starting to believe that Christianity might be necessary.

Douglas Murray, the conservative author and columnist, is also an atheist. In recent years, however, he has started to warn that the decline of Christianity is a dangerous thing. Society now faces three options. First, Murray says, is to reject the idea that all human life is precious. “Another is to work furiously to nail down an atheist version of the sanctity of the individual.” And if that doesn’t work? “Then there is only one other place to go. Which is back to faith, whether we like it or not.”

Murray now occasionally refers to himself as a “Christian atheist.” Speaking with Esther O’Reilly on the Unbelievable podcast, Murray lauded the “revolutionary moral insights” of Christianity. He told her that while visiting the Sea of Galilee, he couldn’t shake the feeling that “something happened here.” And he admitted that as atheists consider morality, “the more we may have to accept that … the sanctity of human life is a Judeo-Christian notion which might very easily not survive [the disappearance of] Judeo-Christian civilization.” NishantXavierFor Christ the King 11:47, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

Article 23 for Hong Kong


A bill to ban sedition and "external interference in Hong Kong" has been tabled at the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, China's sham parliament. This type of "Article 23" law was proposed after the handover, but withdrawn in 2003 after massive protests in Hong Kong. See "Two Sessions 2020: Beijing ‘out of patience’ after long wait for Hong Kong national security law, plans to proscribe secession, foreign interference and terrorism in city." Current Chinese leader Xi Jinping is a protege of Zeng Qinghong, who was the chief sponsor of the 2003 proposal. When Hu Jintao was China's leader (2002-2012), money was the country's boss. But Xi is more focused on settling old scores. Just a few months ago, Xi and the hardliners were in retreat. A controversial extradition law was withdrawn in September and pro-democracy parties triumphed in local elections held in November. Since that time, the covid outbreak has strengthened the hand of the Chinese Communist Party. PeterKa (talk) 18:57, 21 May 2020 (EDT)

Why Trump will win

"America is a nation of believers, and together we are strengthened by the power of prayer." - President Donald Trump

If you worry about the matchup polls that show Biden ahead, Harry Enten has good news for you. For the last thirteen election cycles, there has been an average shift of 11 percentage points between the May matchups and the final results. So Biden's current lead of 5.5 points is not terribly impressive. In American politics, presidents generally get reelected. Trump's current job approval is pretty much where it has been all along. Judging from Biden's results in Iowa (15 percent) and New Hampshire (8 percent), many of the people who tell the pollsters that they will vote for him don't end up doing so. He is clearly a less formidable candidate than Hillary was. Based on the recent special elections in California and Wisconsin, there is reason to think that 2020 will be a Republican year. PeterKa (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (EDT)

If Donald Trump wins, it will be the capstone of 2020 being the worst year in the history of atheism given the religious liberty policy of a Trump administration and its great relationship with the American evangelical Christian community (see: Donald Trump and American atheists).
And I agree with you that Trump is favored to win.Conservative (talk) 23:07, 21 May 2020 (EDT)

[Kamala] Harris introduces resolution condemning use of "Wuhan Virus" as racist

So says National Review—but I think it's okay, though: since she's a cultural Marxist who is praising the "right" form of socialism or communism (and belongs to more than one identity group!), she's criticisms of her sense of accountability, consistency, prejudice and even her racial favoritism (racism)! Isn't Lyme disease named after a place in Connecticut? What about Ebola, Zika, Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, MERS, SARS... All named for where they originated. Don't "play doctor", though and search for a preventative vaccine for yourself, if you don't have a similar ideology and/or identity group profile—wherever the media monopoly is, they're not going to supply you with any antibodies of indulgence for those transgressions.

The only risk is if she becomes a contagious carrier of a painfully idiotic strain of oratory, even though she's not herself infected—the monopoly media will take care of that too by quarantining her for a few news cycles...of abusing the media-consuming public by means of other liberals.

As a typical example, the TV networks used to say "if you don't like it, turn it off." Now it's "chime in" (NBC, beginning January 2008), so we can see which misinformation from our narrative engineering is getting through your mental defenses." Or "if it's basic cable, you have to pay for it." Or "You know you might slip out of your identity group, and you know what can happen then. No protection. The thin line between love and hate. You need to prove your membership by only watching us and loading up on those talking points for your casual or election-time conversations."

So it turns out they're not too fond of American liberty, ever since it became the case that their own oxen were getting gored. Meanwhile, as we've just discovered, they've reconciled with America having a class system with grievance-class identities. So much for equality. And come to think of it, they're cool with single-sex parenting. That's really going to help fraternity. Especially if you admire French political values, you can cheer "A trifecta!" VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 03:40, 22 May 2020 (EDT) improved: 07:25, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

For liberals, 9/11 transformed Muslims from just another anti-choice group into the ultimate victims. Releasing a deadly virus has worked the same magic for China's standing in the world. Hong Kong used to be China's victim. After killing thousands of Americans, Beijing is ready to quash the city's pro-democracy movement. This time around, I expect the U.S. media to cheer them on. PeterKa (talk) 04:49, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
But they're so heartsick. Can't you tell? Kind of like Lenny from Of Mice and Men. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 07:31, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
Biden to blacks: "You'd better get back into your identity group, if you know what's good for you. And the boundaries of your identity group are whatever we say they are." VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 13:17, 22 May 2020 (EDT)


I never knew the Conservative group wrote so many articles about atheism. There's over a thousand!

Titles of my own like: Unsung Giant or Unsung Genius come to mind.

VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 17:21, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

Thanks.Conservative (talk) 08:41, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Study of hydroxychloroquine in The Lancet

The Lancet just published a study of "96 032 patients (mean age 53·8 years, 46·3% women) with COVID-19 [who] were hospitalised during the study period and met the inclusion criteria." Some 81,144 of these patients were in the control group while 3,016 received hydroxychloroquine and 6,221 received hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide. "Macrolide" means azithromycin or a similar drug. The findings: "Compared with the control group (9·3%), hydroxychloroquine alone (18·0%; HR 1·335, 95% CI 1·223–1·457), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (23·8%; 1·447, 1·368–1·531), chloroquine alone (16·4%; 1·365, 1·218–1·531), and chloroquine with a macrolide (22·2%; 1·368, 1·273–1·469) were independently associated with an increased risk of in-hospital mortality." See "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis." PeterKa (talk) 21:49, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

Some 65·9 percent of the patients studied are in North America, who would not have been given HCQ until they were in a very late stage of covid. So this is basically the VA study on a larger scale. PeterKa (talk) 23:14, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
Right. This is fake anti-Trump, politics-masquerading-as-science junk. HCQ, like Tamiflu, is effective when given early. Wait until a patient is near death and nothing is learned by the reaction to medication.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:55, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
According to the study, the higher death rate for patients on HCQ is most likely because the drug can "result in electrical instability and predispose patients to ventricular arrhythmias." So taking the drug certainly involves risk. To learn what effect HCQ has on covid, we will have to wait for a clinical study that administers it at an earlier stage of the disease. PeterKa (talk) 00:19, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
Hydroxychloroquine makes the cells have a higher zinc uptake. Zinc is an antiviral. But the key point is that Dr. Zelenko also gives his patients zinc sulfate. I think that is why he gets such great results (see: Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment). Most doctors and medical researchers are not very receptive to supplements though and are very drug/surgery oriented and that is why zinc sulfate will be left out of all or most studies.Conservative (talk) 01:07, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
I don't think we should dismiss the study itself as political. It's a study of the drug's effectiveness when it is used in the way doctors are currently prescribing it. The problem is that doctors wait too long to prescribe it because of all the uproar. On Louder with Crowder they talk about how pharmacists are calling doctors to question HCQ prescriptions. That is to say, prescribing it someone who isn't already in the hospital results in immediate blowback. PeterKa (talk) 02:01, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
  • It sounds like this report was a fraud after all: "LancetGate: Pulling a Fast One on Proponents of Hydroxychloroquine and Chloroquine." Surgisphere, the company that put together the 100,000-patient database that the study is based on, is a five-man operation nobody ever heard of earlier. There was nothing in the Lancet article about what stage of the disease treatment started, even though this had been a major point of controversy with the earlier VA study. Nor did the article say anything about dosage. The study reports that more patients were treated with chloroquine than with HCQ, although CQ has not been in common use for some time. PeterKa (talk) 10:40, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

Dr. Fauci says we can reopen

We finally have Dr. Anthony Fauci's permission to reopen the country. Fauci's title is head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Who ever heard of this group? It is ridiculous how powerful this quack is. "Dave Portnoy unloads on Fauci in blistering rant on ‘Tucker Carlson Tonight’" PeterKa (talk) 07:25, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Wow, that's big of him! VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 12:00, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

40,000 British healthcare workers are taking hydroxychloroquine

This should go on MPR: "Hydroxychloroquine: NHS staff to take drug as part of global trial." I guess we will soon have answers as to whether HCQ works or not. The Telegraph's headline is more amusing: "Donald Trump drug to be tested on NHS staff with hopes it could prevent coronavirus." PeterKa (talk) 10:54, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

ShockofGod right again: Einstein had Santa Claus syndrome!

Except Einstein's animus was toward Bible stories. The Bible was written mostly so that people of every age in Israel could find interest and benefit from it. But somehow he couldn't seem to grasp there were lessons in those same stories about spiritual realities only adults could understand and about whom in the community these spiritual laws were important. Strangely, he never discovered them or appreciated how God helped leaders and members of a vulnerable people face the threat of national disaster or the threat of the fruits of their own sins.

"Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a fanatic freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections." —Albert Einstein, 1945.

VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 12:00, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

The philosophical procedure of syntopical reading

Syntopical reading should follow elementary, inspectional then analytical reading, but sometimes a given list of readings is so small that there's some profit in going right to syntopical and stepping down to the other levels as needed.

Here are the rules a philosopher with an emphasis in dialectical studies came up with:

I. Surveying the Field Preparatory to Syntopical Reading
  1. Create a tentative bibliography of your subject by recourse to library catalogues, advisors, and bibliographies in books.
  2. Inspect all of the books on the tentative bibliography to ascertain which are germane to your subject and also to acquire a clearer idea of the subject.

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II. Syntopical Reading of the Bibliography Amassed in Stage I
  1. Inspect the books already identified as relevant to your subject in Stage I in order to find the most relevant passages.
  2. Bring the authors to terms by constructing a neutral terminology of the subject that all, or the great majority, of the authors can be interpreted as employing, whether they actually employ the words or not.
  3. Establish a set of neutral propositions for all of the authors by framing a set of questions to which all or most of the authors can be interpreted as giving answers, whether they actually treat the questions explicitly or not.
  4. Define the issues, both major and minor ones, by ranging the opposing answers of authors to the various questions on one side of an issue or another. You should remember that an issue does not always exist explicitly between or among authors, but that it sometimes has to be constructed by interpretation of the author's views on matters that may not have been their primary concern.
  5. Analyze the discussion by ordering the questions and issues in such a way as to throw maximum light on the subject. More general issues should precede less general ones, and relations among issues should be clearly indicated.

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I'd just like to add that in Biblical studies, unlike other books, the Bible isn't something to weigh, but the way to approach is to choose the interpretation that reads as much truth as possible, as when we approach the Holy Book with faith, that is our expectation. But Thomas Aquinas tells us, that not only are there the presence of multiple readings in the Bible, but that we can expect to see them virtually everywhere.

Secondly, it's not necessary that the books be considered to have the same authority. When there is opposition in interpretation that can't be resolved, there can be a hierarchy of authorities with which to settle it, with Sacred Scripture at the highest, of course.

VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 16:06, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Fruits of syntopical reading


The philosopher in question used his techniques to identify about 2,000 streams of conversation over the past 3,000 years. To the right is a sample index page that shows how they are organized for fast access.

If you see a conversation stream on the sample page you're interested in, or have an idea of your own you'd like to locate and learn about, let me know, and you can try it out.

Bear in mind, however, that the "participants" of the conversation may only go up to 1924 due to copyright law. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 11:36, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

Twitter "fact checks" Trump

Who thinks of Twitter as an authority on mail-in ballots? The social media company has responded to a Trump tweet criticizing mail in-ballots with an unprecedented "fact check" linking to a CNN story that promotes a conspiracy theory about Trump laying the groundwork to challenge the November election. The problem with mail-in ballots is that they make it easier for non-citizens to vote. I don't think anyone disputes this, but Dems don't consider that to be a form of voter fraud. This is how CNN can claim with a straight face that mail-in ballots don't promote voter fraud.

I find it unlikely that the subject of challenging the election is actually on Trump's mind: "I can't possibly beat that idiot Biden in a fair contest. But what I can do is to cleverly lose the election and then claim fraud afterwards. Hey, it worked for Hillary! Oh no, I guess it didn't." Given that the "challenging the election" narrative makes no sense, why is the MSM pushing it so hard? IMO, it is a pretext to talk about Trump losing. The Dems are convinced that blustery confidence is the key to winning, despite the fact that this strategy backfired in 2016. PeterKa (talk) 23:28, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

Just think: Of all the issues people tweet about and Twitter could have taken a stand on, the one they pick is promoting voter fraud. Why? Perhaps they think that not allowing illegal aliens to vote is a form of racism. That's just one step away from saying that democracy and rule of law are forms of racism. PeterKa (talk) 04:02, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I don't know who wrote the headline on the main page right news section but Twitter "caves" is inaccurate. That is to say that they were on the fence on how to deal with Trump. When all along they had a plan in place, people in place to disrupt the rightwing. What is going on now is that Twitter plays innocent, they're independent of fact-checkers. Except the fact-checkers employed are rabid progressive lunatics. The case for interference in the election is looking good. If it breaks them, even better. --Jpatt 11:10, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Laura Loomer is suing Twitter for not allowing her to use a Twitter account to campaign for a U.S. representative seat. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 13:16, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Confirmed: Biden does an Eric Swalwell on video. [37][38] RobSLive Free or Die 20:06, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Jeff Sessions for U.S. Senate

President Trump has endorsed Coach Tommy Tuberville, an open borders fanatic, against Jeff Sessions in the Alabama Republican primary. Sessions was of course a nightmare as attorney general. It seems that he was intimidated by the Dems' threat to prosecute him for perjury and other matters. Despite what he claims, there is no law that required him to recuse. In any case, recusals are monitored by the DOJ's Ethics Office, which reports to the attorney general. The head of the office is a G-12 civil servant who is supposed to stay out of politics. So I doubt that Sessions' was seriously restricted by the recusal. He supported Trump's decision to fire FBI Director James Comey, but on the grounds that Comey had disclosed "derogotory information" concerning Hillary. There were many good reasons to fire Comey. A Republican does not need to worry that he wasn't nice enough to Hillary.

Having said that, senator is a different office than attorney general. We have a pretty good idea of what Sessions would do as a senator since he has a long track record. The appointment of the special counsel was at least as much Trump's fault as Sessions'. If Trump had waited for Sessions' recommendation, it's unlikely that firing Comey would have generated much controversy. I would have looked at the recommendation said something like, "Oh my, I had no idea that Comey was so mean to Hillary." See "Jeff Sessions Deserves Your Vote". PeterKa (talk) 19:26, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I don't know enough about Tuberville. His open border stance will not affect anything. Sessions on the other hand is a career politician. His actions gave us three years of Mueller and likely cost the GOP control of the U.S. House. The politics in Mississippi/Alabama is crazy mob-like control where Republicans will get support from Democrats if the candidate can't be bought. Sessions makes it in, I'm okay with that. There are still hundreds of people in DC just like him ,not helping the country one bit. I'll take my chances with Tubby. --Jpatt 20:31, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Personally, I don't view either of them as the best candidates to take on Doug Jones; such that Sessions is the nominee, he will lose some Republican voter base support because of his imperfect handling as attorney general; such that Tommy Tuberville is the nominee, there will be lessened support from hard-core conservatives who favor economic nationalist policies. Bradley Byrne would've been better to take on Sen. Jones, though he lost in the initial primary, having garnered only around 25% of the vote.[39] With that said, I would still support whoever becomes the Republican nominee to take on Jones, be it Sessions or Tuberville. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 21:35, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I heard the other day Trump is going to campaign for Tubby. Also polling shows despite the Presidents endorsement, 7 in 9 GOP voters decisively go for Sessions. --Jpatt 09:52, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

SamHB and ignoratio elenchi

Me: [Sam] never said it, but it's almost if you'd've expected him to, the way he equivocates, which means only using a word's definition in the sense that is convenient to him as a conveyance to different subjects as pleasing as they are irrelevant.

Sam: English is a beautiful language. [Repeats behavior.]

VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 09:40, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Relativity deniers

"Relativity deniers who want to take Essen seriously should read these papers and distill them down to brief explanations in the Counterexamples to Relativity page. I'll be watching, knives ready, for your additions. Until then, it is impossible to take people's reference to Essen seriously. SamHB (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2020 (EDT)"

You'll be watching with "knives ready", Sam? That's not very collegial of you, Sam. I always thought science was a rational pursuit. Go figure. Meanwhile you insist Essen has somehow strayed outside of approved behavior by the physics identity definers and PUSHED out from the physics identity group, forever to be regarded prejudicially.
It's almost as if "relativity" were a moral quality. And a pseudo-principle at that as it applies one way to your friends, but if it escapes the definitions you're comfortable with, it's too different, and that person becomes impossible to be "referred to" seriously, much less what his ideas happen to be. You didn't used to be that way. At one point you called Essen "fiery". VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:57, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

By the way, everybody knows the word "deniers" comes from people who are labeled "holocaust deniers". Yet somehow Einstein felt he had more in common with Joseph Stalin than Harry Truman or Dwight David Eisenhower... VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:14, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Wuhan virus update, worldwide


Iceland has two remaining reported infections, New Zealand has one remaining infection, and Belize has no remaining infections. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 18:11, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

Minneapolis riots

I've watched hours of footage. Haven't seen a single black violating the law. Virtually all the rioters are white. RobSLive Free or Die 12:56, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Incidentally, I lived in that neighborhood being burnt down in the 1980s. It'll never come back. Detroit was the 10th largest city in the U.S. in 1967. After the riots it never came back. Today it's number 36. RobSLive Free or Die 12:59, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

Minneapolis cop charged; the cops will show this video from 6 weeks ago and say they felt threatened by the crowd filming the arrest and that's why they didn't stand up and get off Floyd's neck, fearing for their own safety. RobSLive Free or Die 15:56, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

I saw video of mostly black folk looting a Walmart, but it was later scrubbed from Twitter. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:21, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
It is white anarchists and provocateurs from Antifa who break windows and set fires and mainstream fake news media exploiting the situation for ratings. Blacks are caught in the middle, getting blamed for the violence and not getting their message out about injustice. This entire situation is neither novel nor unique coming from the commie media/DNC complex. RobSLive Free or Die 19:46, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
I keep reading rumors that Black Lives Matter is involved, and that their leader has been raising funds upwards to over a million dollars for concrete projects that never materialize. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 21:41, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
BLM occupied CNN's headquarters tonight.
Do not imagine for a minute that these protests and riots all over the country are spontaneous. RobSLive Free or Die 22:18, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Look at the 1960s model, for example; you have a large, non-violent communist organization, the SDS conducting "peaceful protests"; from within that organization you can recruit a few radicals and hot heads, the Weather Underground, and it's sister organization (in the days of segregation) the Black Panthers. These are the people who, in the midst of a "peaceful protest", smash windows and toss firebombs. RobSLive Free or Die 22:27, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Sharpton, Obama's favorite thug, is complaining about the Minneapolis rioters: "Al Sharpton says destruction of 'black-owned stores' in Minneapolis is 'reckless'." PeterKa (talk)

Total incompetence. Why weren't any of the 4 policeman quickly arrested? Why hasn't at least one of the police still not been arrested? Are police union protected workers above the law (they have the policeman on camera heavily abusing the guy)? Why did the track record of abuse of the some of the officers not cause them to lose their jobs earlier?

Why wasn't there a heavy police and national guard presence to prevent large scale arson in the area? South Minneapolis previously has had choppers with spotlights during heavy crime times that was related to gangs, etc. Why not now?

Why wasn't a curfew quickly implemented - especially given the lack of an arrest of a single police officer?

Why didn't the city of Minneapolis have constructive public hearings to help let out some of the steam?

Why haven't Minnesotans passed a constitutional amendment for private school vouchers aimed at closing the stubborn student achievement gap been done by now so there is higher social mobility? Teacher unions and the public not wanting healthy competition? And given the importance of Bible reading, why didn't black church leaders push for educational reform earlier?

Why weren't black church leaders and other black leaders loudly proclaiming that violence and looting should not occur?

The whole mess reeks of liberal/Democrat mismanagement.Conservative (talk) 23:11, 29 May 2020 (EDT)

A refugee-hire Somalian black policeman shot and killed an elderly white woman reporting a sexual offense she observed in Minneapolis a few years back and needless to say, there was no rioting. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:22, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
It's sick. It's all a bunch of outrage performance art. Lights, camera, action. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:27, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
There were not Scandinavian-American Minnesotans rioting in the streets due to the refugee-hire Somalian black policeman misbehavior? Kind of hard to believe, isn't it?
It's almost like Scandinavian-American Minnesotans were well-known their strong work ethic, valuing education and peaceful/calm demeanors.
Where was the Lutheran pastor Al Sharptons? Were they too busy organizing pot luck, casserole dinners?Conservative (talk) 23:35, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Conservative: Public hearings? Any community activist who wanted to become world-famous would simply have to show up with an unruly mob and force it to close down by interpreting any concession as an admission of guilt! VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:39, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Minnesota nice and political correctness is not working. They need a Mayor Giuliani to get a handle on the situation. And real reform should have happened a long time ago.
Conservative (talk) 23:47, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Vox Day knows his SJWs, so I went to see what he had to say. He found media manufactured outrage at play:
A smaller protest continued Thursday at Chauvin’s home.... A photographer at the house Thursday morning appeared to stage a shot in the officer’s driveway by encouraging two people to spray “Kill Pig Cops” on the garage door, according to Jennifer Kennetz of St. Paul. She said the woman claimed to be a magazine photographer and tried to persuade Kennetz and others to pose for her near the home.
Kennetz said she later saw the photographer persuade a young couple to spray paint the garage door while recording it with her cellphone. Police confiscated the phone, Kennetz said, and an Oakdale police spokeswoman confirmed the incident was under investigation.
VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:51, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
(a) It is impossible to fire a civil servant, to wit McCabe, Strzok, et al. So the story he was fired is bull. He has appeal rights. (b) On the day the cop is arrested, the coroner has already cleared him . No asphyxiation. No strangulation. It'll take years to get a court-ordered second or third hand autopsy report. BY then, who cares? RobSLive Free or Die 23:59, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
True story: I had a big city police officer ask me in a convenience store, "Isn't it late to be out?" And in typical User: Conservative like fashion, I confidently and immediately told him, "No". You have to be assertive with arrogant police early on or they will walk all over you. Machismo solves so many problems in life that it's truly amazing!Conservative (talk) 00:04, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
No good way to segué into this, but it's more from Vox Day:
“George Floyd and now-former Officer Derek Chauvin both worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo club on Lake Street, according to Maya Santamaria. ‘Chauvin was our off-duty police for almost the entirety of the 17 years that we were open,’ Santamaria said. ‘They were working together at the same time, it’s just that Chauvin worked outside and the security guards were inside.’

It's going to be really hard to get the Norweigan-American Minnesotans angry and stressed out over this situation - even if much of the city is burned to the ground. The best you are going to get is: "Could be worse."[40] Conservative (talk) 00:56, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

Guide to Minnesotans: “Interesting” or “that’s interesting” = a passive-aggressive phrase used when something should be judged and critiqued but the Minnesotan saying it doesn’t want to explain their reasoning because they feel it would be offensive.[41]
It's so hard to get Scandinavian-Americans upset and stressed out!Conservative (talk) 00:52, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
I can attest this is 100% true. RobSLive Free or Die 10:06, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Black Lives Matters and Antifa both fronts for the Dems. Riots are now the strategy of choice of the anti-Trump movement. The Dems are punishing America for coming out of lockdown. They yearn for 1968. The Dems' nostalgia for the riots of of the 1960s is hard to understand when you remember that they resulted in Nixon being elected. If Trump comes out as the law and order candidate, he'll win reelection. But at what price? Crime rates could be headed back up. I say arrest the leadership of both BLM and Antifa and keep them in detention until the riots stop. PeterKa (talk) 01:17, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
For a long time Vox Day has been saying that America would have widespread racial violence that would lead to the USA being split up. I was always a doubting Thomas about this future scenario. Now I am not so sure. It probably will not happen. Latinos are pretty hard working, family oriented, etc. and they are growing quickly in the USA.Conservative (talk) 02:31, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
The Democrat Governor of MN, Tim Walz, is too wimpy to use the Insurrection Act of 1807 to ask Trump for federal armed forces despite saying the state and local police are totally overwhelmed and also being fired upon by the rioters. He said he is considering it. Meanwhile, his city is burning.
I recently found out there are actually more German-Americans in MN than Scandinavians. Tim Walz needs to marshall his inner German-American and restore ORDER!
But Walz appears to have no backbone. He says he is waiting for public buy in to take very strong action. In short, he is not a leader.Conservative (talk) 03:37, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

What's happening has been planned for a long, long time. The riots were inevitable. Opposition forces have been uniting since Ahmaud Arbery's death. Every white on black crime is elevated to top story in America on purpose, just like every mass shooting is an excuse to go after our 2nd amendment. It will all pass as the news cycle is 24/7. There will be more white on black crime, there will be more mass shootings. The opposition forces know it and plan on it. The theme is shame and blame, America the wicked, foment unrest to change the America to their utopian vision. Nothing will ever change because there is always one bad person in the group; bad doctor, bad mechanic, bad priest, bad cop, etc. - --Jpatt 09:15, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

According to Mike Cernovich, a split has developed between Antifa and BLM. BLM wants to be non-violent, but Antifa continues to steal their thunder and blacks get blamed for the violence. RobSLive Free or Die 10:06, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Wait, since when did BLM want non-violent protests? Weren't they the same guys who willingly slaughtered some policemen in Texas and NYC, including a black cop? Pokeria1 (talk) 07:15, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
Cernovich claims to have the evidence; he just hasn't compiled it all in one place yet. RobSLive Free or Die 16:47, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
I wonder if the riots in Minneapolis have anything to do with the fact that Obama recently came out of retirement and started making political statements again. When he was president, he would egg rioters on in Ferguson and elsewhere.
Another theory I have is that the riots are a consequence of the Dems giving up on winning the next election. They thought that covid was their ticket to the White House. That's not panning out. So now they can let natural selves out. They've all heard boomers drone on about that golden age that was the 1960s. Now it's their turn. PeterKa (talk) 11:17, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
We've known these riots have been a long time in making. Bernie supporters promised to burn down Milwaukee if Bernie wasn't nominated. Then came covid lockdowns and fears of food riots worldwide, in Europe and even China, when lockdowns ended. Then the Ahmaud Arbery case in Georgia three weeks ago, which ties into Stacey Abrams's narrative of stolen elections. Then Biden's statement, if you ain't rioting, "you ain't black". The provocateurs' are all white but blacks get blamed for starting it.
Once again, we have the hijacking of the civil rights movement by violent white extremists. RobSLive Free or Die 11:34, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Trending on Twitter right now: Antifa Trending with: #AntifaTerrorists White Supremacists 199K Tweets Hitler Youth 27K Tweets #BLACK_LIVES_MATTER 597K Tweets
We know the script by heart by now. RobSLive Free or Die 12:02, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
There was a director named Spike Lee who made a movie called Do the Right Thing in 1989 where there was a riot after the police accidentally but carelessly strangled a black man to death. It was probably memories of this movie that got riot plans to be applied to Minneapolis. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 12:18, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
The Twin Cities have a "Metropolitan Council", which overrrides the power of the mayors, city councils, and county governments that make up the 7 county metropolitan area. [42] What happened in Minneapolis, the failure to mobilize police, fire, and national guard is reminiscent of all socialist power structures, such as occurred in Wuhan at the time of the covid outbreak. It's all finger pointing now, from top to bottom and back to top again. [43] The mayors job is essentially as useless as a borough president in New York. RobSLive Free or Die 12:33, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Thank you for sharing that very informative deep background, Rob. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 13:39, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
The city councils of Minneapolis and St. Paul are essentially powerless - except for perhaps condemning a crack house. All services such as EMT, fire, public transit, road building, water, sewer etc are integrated under the Metropolitan Council, including county governments. It's an extra layer of bureaucracy standing between county and state government unique to Minnesota. Allegheny County, where Pittsburgh sits, has long debated whether to adopt this model for its 350 local village governments into one umbrella entity. RobSLive Free or Die 17:36, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Speaking of riots, shouldn't we note that a violent riot occurred in Atlanta for the past two days? Pokeria1 (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
We got a blurb about the Occupy CNN protest. The Chicago protests have been huge and relatively peaceful so they get no coverage. RobSLive Free or Die 04:26, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
BTW Floyd didn't didn't asphyxiate [through choking or strangulation], but being in that position couldn't have been good for his health. He died shortly afterwards, and the officer got charged with manslaughter. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 19:10, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

CAUGHT ON CAMERA! Antifa PAYING young protesters to destroy!

We need a little more evidence on this before we can run with it. RobSLive Free or Die 04:26, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

Every single arrested protester was from out-of-state

If you actually read the full article you'll see the remarks were walked back as inaccurate. Your news item is wrong. JohnSelway (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2020 (EDT)

Anyway - what difference would it make if people were out of state. You don't have to be from the same state to protest what you see as wrong within your country. JohnSelway (talk) 22:24, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
You don't understand our federal system. Crossing state lines to incite riot is a federal offense. Google the Trial of the Chicago 7 from the 1968 Democrat Convention. RobSLive Free or Die

This story seems to match Candace Owens remarks about Soros NGOs funding discord.Soros NGOs were quick to push back. --Jpatt 12:04, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

St. Paul's African American mayor said today that the first night of rioting, every single arrest was from out of state. RobSLive Free or Die 22:19, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

This just in...

President Trump just announced via Twitter that he will be officially declaring Antifa a terrorist organization. [44] Attorney General Bill Barr has also announced that Title X of the Civil Rights act will be used to take down Antifa. [45] Northwest (talk) 12:59, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

Why? It won't be as fun to plan violent civil disturbances if the FBI is listening in on your phone call! VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 14:29, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
This means FISA can be used against them, and all their contacts, and their contacts' contacts under the two hop rule. Let's begin with Luis Enrique Marquez, head of Portland Antifa and good friend of Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison (that's a photo of the two standing before an Amy Klobuchar poster). Ellison has a beef with the Minneapolis police union going back to 1992. The Minneapolis police union publicly urged voters to vote against Ellison the day before election while posing in uniform. As a former DNC vice chair, all of Ellison's contacts can be tapped, which would be the 50 party chairmen in 50 states. From there the second hop of the two hop rule applies. They have used a three hop rule in the past which could be brought back if necessary.
Also, Ellison's contacts as being a member of the House Democrat Caucus can be wiretapped, as well. RobSLive Free or Die 17:02, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
Why would they tap his phone, if he's already carried out his plan? VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 18:38, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
BTW, there were court records that showed Ellison physically abused a romantic partner. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 18:56, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
Which, of course, the liberal media proceeded to ignore because, after all, partisan politics. Northwest (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
Bottomline: any Democrat officeholder, civil servant, or DNC employee, as well as Hollywood celebrity, media personality or media executive with Antifa contacts in their phone or email will come under FISA surveillance, as well as all their friends and friends friends. FISA surveillance is the most intrusive surveillance possible. All electronic communications, phone, text messages, email, passport travel records, bank records, electronic funds transfer, utility bills, etc. etc. - past, present, and future - will be exposed. Even if they can't find Antifa collusion, they still can get the Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen treatment. Adios DNC, media, and Hollywood suckers! Time to repent and come to Jesus! RobSLive Free or Die 22:18, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
Ignoring that account of abuse in that legal case would be an unwise and irresponsible course of action. You've got to cover it up—and you can't forget to shoot the messenger as well, can you? (Which in this case was Laura Loomer for daring to report on it.) VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 19:23, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
The first thing the IC is likely to focus on, outside of threats to national security i.e. riots, is the Antifa money trail. Where does Antifa's financing come from? FinCEN handles this. RobSLive Free or Die 22:33, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
And if Twitter was used by Antifa to coordinate terrorist attacks, ewww lordy! lordy! RobSLive Free or Die 22:44, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
Minneapolis is really cracking down. The mayor said: "Alright you punks, this is the last night where you can pose for group photos, but as soon as you're done, hit the road!" VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:09, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

About how many Antifa are there in the USA? What does Trump's and Barr's statements effectively do and how long will it take for their actions to have a significant impact?Conservative (talk) 20:23, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

My guess, about 10,000 with perhaps 1,000,000 sympathizers and/or financial benefactors. RobSLive Free or Die 22:11, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
This isn't related, but I tried to pawn some of my stuff, but the store manager wouldn't let me. I guess next time I shouldn't bring it along with me with it still in my riot bag. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 07:32, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
The Nike store was completely looted. I thought liberals approved of the Colin Kaepernick ad campaign. Moral of the story: You always hurt the ones you love. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 07:38, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
[People say my quest for a quick profit makes me out of touch with my community, but] Check out my website. You can get a t-shirt that says: I survived the 2020 riots. I was asked to sell some through local business to help rebuild, but I said Are you crazy? If nothing else, why [in the world] would I want to have them get stolen [while the riots are still going on]? VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 07:57, 1 June 2020 (EDT) 18:45, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
Ilhan Omar: "The violence isn't perpetrated by out-of-state liberals, the blame belongs to local Russians and white supremacists exploiting our grief to justify bringing in the military in a plot to take over and rule us! [pulls out big hankerchief and wipes her eyes] Sorry, no questions...we're talking some heavy grief here!" VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 08:19, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

Four white officers

Three of the four "white" officers

(WBUR) Boston Police Commissioner William Gross says the four Minneapolis police officers involved in the death of George Floyd should be held accountable for their actions.

George Floyd, a black man, was pulled from his car by four white officers. Video shows one of the officers kneeling on Floyd's neck. Floyd was taken to a hospital and died.[1]

(The Independent) “A key objective is to ensure fire departments are able to respond to calls.”

Anger had been steadily growing over the death on Monday of 46-year-old Mr Floyd, who had been handcuffed and taken into police custody by four white officers. Video footage showed one of the officers, Derek Chauvin, standing on the neck of Mr Floyd, as he gasped for breath.[2]

(Voice of America) The death Monday of an African American man in police custody in Minneapolis has triggered a high-priority Justice Department investigation.

A video taken by a bystander showed one of the four white officers kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed 46-year-old George Floyd, who told the officer “I cannot breathe” as he was pinned to the ground for eight minutes before he died.[3]

(The Nation) The whole thing seemed like watching a mild, seasonal rainfall grow into a raging and destructive typhoon, almost imperceptibly. Beginning with boisterous and militant but relatively peaceful slogans, chants and songs, the protestors were in the third day of demonstrations over the execution of George Floyd, a black man, by four white officers of the Minneapolis Police Department.[4]

(The Middletown Press) In Minneapolis, the four white officers allegedly involved in George Floyd’s death were fired, but not immediately arrested. On Friday, Chauvin was charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter. Coupled with the brutality, people protested and by Wednesday that escalated to fires, including a police station, and looting. Protests have spread to cities in California, Oregon and Ohio.[5]

Only one looks white to me. RobSLive Free or Die 11:04, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
Don't confuse them with the facts, their minds are made up. Besides, "the AP is never wrong," so why should they listen to you?
ugh. --DavidB4 (TALK) 11:43, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
Possible fake news alert! I'm removing the picture until it can be verified. The funny thing is I got it from a source that's never fallen for something like this might be. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 12:41, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay, I've confirmed the bald guy was there, and there was also someone there with a Chinese last name. One more to go. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 13:08, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
His face doesn't match the coarse-grained videos of the remaining officer that are out there. He looks more like a student than a former police-officer. I think someone is playing a nasty prank on him. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 14:25, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
MYSTERY SOLVED: The bottom left guy and the upper right guy are the same person. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 15:14, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
Since the officer that had his knee on George Floyd's neck probably knew George Floyd, he was probably trying to make sure he wouldn't get charged with assaulting a police officer or resisting arrest. He was already going to get charged for counterfeiting, and if Floyd was in the driver's seat of a motor vehicle with the engine running, that's enough grounds for DWI.
That being said, it looked just like that it caused him to stop breathing for as many as eight minutes, and after the ambulance picked him up (which apparently didn't have resuscitation paddles because they made a call for the fire department), he went into cardiac arrest and died. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 15:26, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
If someone drinks heavily, they can reach a point where their diaphragm involuntarily relaxes. That means if your chest muscles have to take over to draw a breath, and there are limited body positions where that can be done with any degree of effectiveness. One of them isn't on your back, even if you're in good shape, and if you're too heavy-set, it's impossible. So the problem isn't in the neck, it's being held in that position on your back, and especially if someone thought it was good idea to lean on your stomach as a stress point to immobilize you [this is speaking hypothetically; it's unknown to me whether that aggravating circumstance actually happened at all]. I wonder why the police don't know that by now. Such tragic results. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 16:33, 1 June 2020 (EDT)
Breaking: George Floyd died of CoVid-19, and not excessive police violence. Either that, or Minnesota looses $13,000 in federal funding. RobSLive Free or Die 16:40, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
That's rilly evil, Rob. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 20:48, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

  1. WBUR newsroom (May 29, 2020). "Boston Police Commissioner says George Floyd's death is a teachable moment For police". WBUR website/News.
  2. Buncombe, Andrew (May 29, 2020). "Minneapolis police station set on fire amid protest over killing of George Floyd". Independent website/news/world/Americas.
  3. Farivar, Masood (May 30, 2020). "FBI probing police role in death of black man in Minneapolis". Voice of America website/USA.
  4. Jeyifo, Biodun (May 29, 2020). "The fire this time – part running commentary, part preliminary reflections". The Nation website.
  5. Hearst Connecticut Media Editorial Board (May 30, 2020). "Editorial: Police brutality ignites anger in tense times". The Middletown Press [Connecticut] website/opinion/article.

Not sure if...

It was righteous anger at the system!

It wasn't us, it was white supremacists!

It was retribution for a history of oppression!!

Russia is meddling with us!!

This is a REVOLUTION!!!

It was Mexican druglords!!!

Burning apartment buildings is an expression of black rage. It is good.
Burning apartment buildings is proletarian revenge. It is revolutionary.
Burning apartment buildings is police infiltration. It is bad.
Burning apartment buildings is a white supremacist plot. It is evil.

VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 22:10, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

What these Leftist riots reveal more than anything is the low esteem Progressive's, liberals. leftists, and socialists have for the average American's intelligence. Sure, after the election of Obama and passage of Obamacare there may be legitimate grounds for that criticism. But following the Maoist playbook, they thought America was a paper tiger ready for revolution.
The wanton murder and disregard for human life and property by Progressives will not be soon forgotten. This isn't just flag burning. RobSLive Free or Die 23:30, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Quote from David Horowitz

In describing Saul Alinsky(page 113 of Rules[46]), David Horowitz wrote in "Radicals: Portraits of a Destructive Passion", on page 182, at the end of paragraph 2[47], that "The issue is never the issue. The issue is always building the army. The issue is always the revolution."

The main page makes it seem as if this is a direct Alinsky quote, but it isn't. Progressingamerica (talk) 23:25, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

Ok, thanks. I'll fix it, RobSLive Free or Die 23:33, 1 June 2020 (EDT)

BLM infiltration

"The Antifa Manual specifically instructs members to target Black Lives Matter and immigrant rights groups for infiltration.

"This is not random, it is their doctrine."—Jack Posobiec

VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 05:06, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

Surely that's a no brainer. Aren't BLM and immigrant rights groups antithetical to fascism and therefore inherently anti-fascist? Rafael (talk) 03:14, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
No, there's no real doctrinal difference between fascists and communists; it's just that the corrupt movement of international communists present in those organizations don't want to share the egalitarian alignment of the political compass with anyone else. That is why they exercise prior restraint and scapegoat all nationalist communist heretics (that is, fascists, or unwitting fascists among the liberals) as being a part of a phantom opposition movement in an attempt to prevent those heretics from ever forming an actual nationalist movement. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 04:40, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
We've seen the exact same tactics that were used to spark the Syrian civil war - peaceful protesters against the Assad regime shot and killed by snipers and the police blamed for shooting. RobSLive Free or Die 13:26, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Let's laugh at the rioters

This guy threw a brick at a car. It bounced back and hit him in the head. PeterKa (talk) 06:54, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

Stupid white boy. They're all alike. RobSLive Free or Die 13:30, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

We don't get Biden's humor because he's too smart

If you think Biden is a racist, that's cause he's playing above your level: "Biden on comment to black radio host: 'I shouldn't have been such a wise guy'." PeterKa (talk) 07:02, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

That's Vice President Biden to you, Jack. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 11:39, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

Obama condemns violence

Riots Day 5: Pelosi, Schumer, Obama et al remain silent. No prominent Democrat has addressed the mob and condemned senseless violence. Actually Obama has condemned it - "Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves," Obama wrote in an essay on Medium. - Obama. But I don't expect it change. This website is so staggeringly dishonest that you only hear what you want to hear. JohnSelway (talk) 17:08, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

Better be careful what you say here, John - especially about who/what you accuse of being "dishonest". Northwest (talk) 17:15, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Given that the most recent addition to the Conservapedia Proven Right is categorically incorrect, which I have pointed out several times, then I feel safe saying Conervapedia is dishonest. If I cop a ban, fine. But I'm not going to pretend Conservapedia is honest in its pretensions. JohnSelway (talk) 17:35, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Not even close. Saying that Conservapedia is "dishonest" because you don't like what it said in the Conservapedia proven right article does not make what you say right (especially if you choose to believe what non-credible Wikipedia and the equally non-credible liberal media say regarding the Antifa riots). Northwest (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
A hysterical leap to what could mean anything so proves nothing. The Selway. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 17:39, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
I've been following the nationwide riots closely. Haven't heard a peep out of Obama. RobSLive Free or Die 17:55, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Why would he talk? His former city run by his Democrat pals is going up in flames. How do you answer someone who asks about that? VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 18:05, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Here Obama responds and says "Let's not excuse violence, or rationalize it, or participate in it. If we want our criminal justice system, and American society at large, to operate on a higher ethical code, then we have to model that code ourselves," JohnSelway (talk) 18:08, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Obama says it, but that doesn't mean he actually means it. Per his ideology, it's in his nature to lie and deceive. Plus, remember when he also talked about forming his own "private army"? Well, Antifa may well be that "private army", an "army" of young hooligans without a shred of morals or brains, akin to the Nazi Brownshirts, organized by him and funded by George Soros. Northwest (talk) 19:10, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
So he didn't stay silent then. Meaning the mainpage news item in wrong. JohnSelway (talk) 19:17, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
There's no evidence he spoke it; he was silent. And now, given how much we care one way or the other, so are YOU. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 19:51, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Oh, I get it. Peaceful protests in the midst of pandemic are important. RobSLive Free or Die 20:22, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
If the boomer remover virus don't getcha, progressive "change" will. RobSLive Free or Die 20:24, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
I don't know. It takes a lot of energy to be sure the website remains "staggeringly dishonest". I'm too tired to reply. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 19:04, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

Start a new career

We're looking for data searchers to pore over over 50,000 hours of footage from video cameras to identify and prosecute those who criminally participated in the latest national violent disturbance. Become a riot tracer, and you can go far! Call 1-877-USQUEAL!

Floyd tested positive for covid-19, fentanyl

George Floyd's official cause of death is "cardiopulmonary arrest complication law enforcement subdual; restraint and neck compression." There was also “arteriosclerotic and hypertensive heart disease,” as well as fentanyl intoxication and recent methamphetamine use as “other significant conditions.” So he wasn't choked to death after all. See "George Floyd autopsy report released; he tested positive for COVID-19 in April." Up to now, we'd been told that Floyd's only mistake was to try to pass a counterfeit $20 bill while being black. PeterKa (talk) 20:01, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

So here's the choice, drop the charges against the cop and collect $13,000 in federal funds, or eat the loss and payout millions in a wrongful death lawsuit. RobSLive Free or Die 20:45, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
I have a direct pipeline - one of my brothers lives 3 1/2 blocks from where George Floyd was murdered. He tells me the mayor handed out covid masks to rioters. RobSLive Free or Die 02:47, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
This is a cover story. It goes so far in blaming the law enforcement technique used against George Floyd, that it's able to evade how it caused his death, which was alcohol-induced relaxation of the diaphragm, which cut off his breathing when he was placed on his back and maintained there.
Also, like I said, he may have committed a DWI. If you're intoxicated and sitting in the driver's seat while the motor's running, that's usually sufficient under the law, but juries don't always agree. The police that arrived wanted a "clean bust" and watched him sit in his car from afar before approaching him to see if he would pull out into traffic.
Also, George Floyd said he was "claustrophobic" when he was being led into the backseat of the police car. If he had had that as an actual medical condition, and many do, the city could have been held liable for ignoring that. It was a terrible accident. Floyd admitted he had attacked the police, yet the officers seemed to be taking every step to insure he wouldn't be charged for that. Even the neck restraint seemed to be done to help him breathe. I know it's a divisive issue, but those were the things I observed. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 14:21, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Going to have to disagree with some of this, and centered on one specific rule that is mandatory for all police departments: use the minimum amount of force necessary to control the suspect. He was in handcuffs; if he was combative while in cuffs, then setting him on his belly while restraining his legs is sufficient. But one "officer" was clearly on his neck, and he flat out ignored Floyd's plea that he couldn't breathe at least more than twice. No matter what Floyd is alleged to have done wrong, these "officers" completely and totally failed. Karajou (talk) 14:39, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

When I said it was an "accident", I didn't mean to imply there was no negligence that could be involved. But regardless, thank you for taking a turn informing our views on the issue. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 15:06, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
By the way I was wrong about the alcohol; it was fentanyl; 3 times a concentration that to some proved fatal. Thankfully they are both depressants so it changes barely any of the facts I reported. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 20:56, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

"Defund the police" and mob rule

All the members of the Minneapolis city council have endorsed "defund the police." In fact, this is the new Democratic party line, according to Tucker Carlson. Good thing William Barr is cracking down in DC. We wouldn't want the federal government to be at the mercy of the mob. The idea of turning over law enforcement to voluntary groups brings to my mind the "sections" of the French Revolution. This was an organized mob in Paris that pushed aside Lafayette and the National Guard and demanded the terror. As Carlson notes in the link above, when Americans are polled they give the police the best trust numbers of any major government institution. The rioters don't care about racism or George Floyd. They just want to grab Iphones and Rolexes.

I have to say, the Dems can sure turn their priorities around fast. I can remember back when Greta Thunberg told us global warming would end the world. Now there is nothing is more important than racism in the police department. If you took the old propaganda line seriously, wouldn't changing it like this be confusing? The Dems all seem to understand that global warming, covid-19, and police racism are just tactics. The real issue is always power for themselves.

In all fairness, I must say that the Minneapolis police department does have a history of abusing citizens. I blame an overly powerful police union. This group makes it difficult for anyone to fire a cop, even the mayor. To blame racism brings in partisan politics and does nothing to solve the problem. PeterKa (talk) 07:20, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

You misspelled "antics". VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 20:58, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Two important highlights...

Important highlights! Anyone else see that Steve King lost his primary last night to Randy Feenstra by just under 10% of the vote? It seems that the GOP establishment were desperate to oust the representative for simply being too conservative for them. The only other representative this year to get ousted in their primary so far was DINO Dan Lipinski.

Also, for New Mexico, Yvette Herrell will again be facing Democrat Xochitl Torres Small for the House seat. However, my prediction for now is that, unlike 2018, Herrell might actually win this time around. In 2018, 34,972 votes were casted in the Democrat primary and 32,700 for the Republican primary, and Torres Small won by less than 0.5% of the vote most likely only due to election fraud. According to the primary numbers yesterday for the second congressional district, 44,356 votes were casted for the Democrat primary, and 58,561 for the Republican primary. Using this as a model for the general election, I think Yvette Herrell might win. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 13:50, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Lockdowns and Sweden

Given that the covid-19 lockdown triggered nationwide rioting in the U.S., I find it astonishing that anyone would consider this option now or as a possible response to any future epidemic. European countries, including Sweden, have their own branches of Antifa, who are presumably inspired by the success of the group's uprising in the U.S. Yet Anders Tegnell, the man behind Sweden's business-as-usual strategy, is confessing his sins on Swedish radio: “If we were to encounter the same illness with the same knowledge that we have today, I think our response would land somewhere in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done."[48] Sweden's covid death rate is lower than that of Britain, Spain, or Italy and about the same as that of France. PeterKa (talk) 17:58, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

It occurs to me that although the media has been propagandizing for the lockdown and against protests for months now, the Antifa/BLM protesters thought nothing of going out into the streets without masks on. Somehow, they understood the lockdown was never meant for superior beings like themselves. It was a way to intimidate dumb Republicans so that Dems could take control of the streets and run wild. PeterKa (talk) 21:07, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

MPR ambiguity

  • Rioting helps law and order right-wing nationalists get elected. So many times liberal/leftists fail to realize the unintended consequences of the evil they foment and engage in.

So right-wing nationalists getting elected IS the evil liberal/leftists foment. RobSLive Free or Die 21:01, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

I made the requested deletion.Conservative (talk) 21:53, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

A reminder

MPR is for teaser headlines, not full blown Essays. RobSLive Free or Die 13:55, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

Rasmussen Poll: President Trump support among African Americans over 40%! Wow!


So, the liberal leftist media's shameful (or shameless?) attempts at race-baiting to create class hatred have ended in spectacular defeat for the lawless left's plan of divisiveness. Black and White and other Americans are uniting behind President Trump's conservative agenda. This is great news for America.

The Democrat party is on the ropes. A landslide victory for Trump is coming. Conservapedia predicts Donald J. Trump captures the highest percentage of the black votes ever for a Republican president. Democrat leadership knows it and are powerless to prevent. Expect the leader of the Democrat party, George Soros, to maximize the chaos running up to November. --Jpatt 10:00, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

Huge Economic Success: 2.5 million jobs added instead of expected 7.5 MN lost!

Says it all. This is amazingly good news. God's Grace. And a sign that the economic recovery post-Covid-19 has really begun and taken off.

Sarah Palin for Senate?

Anyone else think that Sarah Palin might run for U.S. Senate in 2022 to oust RINO Lisa Murkowski? After Trump recently said that he would help any conservative primary challenge Murkowski, it seems that the Conservative Tree House suggests Palin to be a potential nominee. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 13:43, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

Esper refuses to send in the troops

Washington used troops against the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791. In 1863, Lincoln used militia and volunteer units against the "draft riot" in New York City. During Reconstruction, federal troops occupied the South. Cleveland used federal troops against the Pullman strikers in 1894. Hoover used the Army against the Bonus March of 1932. None of this history is obscure. These are examples that I came up with off the top of my head. As for the people who object to militarizing the response to the riots, what do they think the Army is for? If the U.S. Army can suppress rebellion in Baghdad, it is obviously more vital to do so when it occurs in Washington, DC. Yet it seems that Defense Secretary Mark Esper has his own ideas: "National Guard in Washington D.C. are told NOT to carry guns or ammunition by Defense Secretary Mark Esper as he orders all active-duty troops out of the capital." PeterKa (talk) 21:29, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

See also Aaron_Burr#Western_Conspiracy; that's why the Insurrection Act of 1807 was passed. RobSLive Free or Die 23:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
What's missing from these protests and the coverage thereof is any awareness or recognition that despite their superficially radical rhetoric and symbolism, they are fully supported by the government, corporate, cultural, media, and technocratic power centers of US society.—Michael Tracy, June 6, 2020
VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 17:14, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
"With all of this intrigue and infiltration of national and global institutions, it seems that decentralization toward local existing indtitutions (challengers to national & global authority) is the most radical position one can take. [Erik Prince Recruits Ex-Spies to Help Infiltrate Liberal Groups: Mr. Prince, a contractor close to the Trump administration, contacted veteran spies for operations by Project Veritas, the conservative group known for conducting stings on news organizations and...]
"Anarchism comes close but because it's so abstract, it's easily co-opted to destroy local institutions to the benefit of national and global institutions (see current situation).
"If you have to operate a neighborhood watch against rioters, the rioters represent Power.
"Fishtown, Pilsen, Bridgeport defense forces are more radical challenges to the status quo than the violent, culturally leftist religious revival currently being televised."—2nd City Bureaucrat (Friday, June 5, 2020)
VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 17:32, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Washington is like Beirut; they may as well dig in for the Summer. RobSLive Free or Die 17:35, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Good grief. Then again, I doubt that; they have a lot of work to do ahead to spend more borrowed money. But I comfort myself that a RobS reply is a sign you're on the right track. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 17:46, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
"NEW: The president of the Minneapolis City Council says the city’s Police Dept. will be dismantled and replaced with a “transformative new model of public safety.”—June 4, 2020
VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 17:46, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Tucker Carlson: "The Black Lives Matter foundation says that one of its other goals is 'to disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure.' Well, that's certainly a goal major corporations can get behind.
"Less than a week ago the BLM foundation started a petition to 'Defund all police departments nationwide.'
"The group's co-founder...said we should abolish all prisons."—Tucker Carlson, June 4, 2020
I'm not afraid to name names:
Cisco, $5 million
Airbnb, $500,000
Dropbox, $500,000
Ubisoft, $100,000
Intel, $1 million to "anti-racism groups"
VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 19:32, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Now it's a matter of visiting all the Home Depots and builder supply stores, and maybe equipment rental agencies and see who bought pallets of bricks and rented forklifts in days before the riots. Also caustic supply materials and hammers. Some were transported in stolen vehicles, but not whole pallets. U-Haul rental agencies need to be visited, too. Some materials were stolen from construction sites, so checking those surveillance tapes if they survived the riots will be helpful;. One things for sure, the progressive rioters had adequate funding.
Looking at their funding sources is always fun; the AFGF gets money from the Association of Retarded Citizens of America, the Ford Foundation, etc. This gives cover to others so they can say they didn't know AFGF was a communist/terrorist front. I doubt it will do Tom Steyer any good since he was retweeting Refuse Fascism who is up to their eyeballs in the violence. There's probably even overlap in membership between Steyer's NextGen America terrorist organization, the Sunrise Movement, Justice Democrats, and Antifa, but Steyer can afford good lawyers like Obama and Hillary. RobSLive Free or Die 19:48, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
And what these liberal schmucks don't understand is, a lot of this investigative work can be done from behind a desk, checking electronic funds transfers to building supply stores, equipment rental agencies, car rentals, hotel (for the out of town terrorists). It's the looters and gangbangers sitting in jail right now, but a number of professional provocateurs likely got a away and are roaming the country, not knowing the whole terrorist network is under surveillance, from Soros, Steyer, and other John Does on down. That's what a FISA designation as a terrorist national security threat does. No wonder Trump seems so at ease. RobSLive Free or Die 20:03, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
People don't respect the rioters, or at least they don't care about them anymore. Google searches for "riot" slumped down uninterruptedly from 100 to 2 over the past five days. Only 34% of people polled on June 2-3 agreed with the statement that the police were "too aggressive". VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 20:40, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
People don't know about the riots. They've only been told about protests with legitimate violence. RobSLive Free or Die 13:57, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

Why does Soros hate us?

When you think of all the bitter coverage the Koch brothers have had to put up with, it is clearly a whole lot nicer to be a Democratic Party megadonor like George Soros. The Hungarian-born Soros made his money in currency manipulation. He is the "man who broke the Bank of England" in 1992. Nowadays, he's usually in the news for his political donations and activity. He claims to have given an astonishing $32 billion over the years to the Open Society Institute, which in turn funds various anti-American and democracy hating groups, including at least $100,000 for Antifa.[49] He's also given $25 million to "Global Climate Strike," according to Breitbart. He also gave $1 billion to an anti-nationalist education initiative. In modern times, democracies tend to be national units. So I would interpret this initiative as anti-democratic. Don't worry, he still has a net worth of $8 billion. Obama audited the Koch brothers to get revenge against them. Perhaps Trump can take a leaf from His Obamaness. People who criticize Soros get accused of being anti-Semitic. But Soros doesn't believe in God and doesn't have a Jewish mother. In addition, he supports the anti-Israeli Boycott, Disinvestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement. According to this article, the reason Soros hates us is kinda boring: He's your basic anti-American leftist. PeterKa (talk) 06:00, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Stock/currency traders perform a useful function. I suspect the label of "currency manipulator" is an overly negative term or totally unjustified.
For example, as far as shorting stocks (betting against a stock): "Short selling strengthens the market by exposing which companies' stock prices are too high. In their search for overvalued firms, short sellers can discover accounting inconsistencies or other questionable practices before the market at large does."
So many currencies have failed historically. Giving people the option to bet against currencies forces politicians to be more disciplined in their fiscal/economic policies.Conservative (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Consider: "Spotting the writing on the wall, Britain upped its interest rates to the teens in an effort to attract more people to the pound. Unfortunately, speculators such as George Soros began to heavily short the currency. Consequently, the British government gave in and withdrew from the ERM, once it became clear that it was losing billions of pounds, in its attempt to artificially buoy its currency to higher levels. Although this was a difficult situation, the pound came back stronger because excess interest and high inflation were subsequently forced out of the British economy. Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world."[50]Conservative (talk) 11:17, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Soros hates conservatives/Christianity because he is evil. Jesus Himself said the nature of man is evil (Matthew 7:11) as did the prophet Jeremiah.(Jeremiah 17:9) (men who are unregenerated/unsaved).Conservative (talk) 11:23, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Soros has international arrest warrants out for currency manipulation. Soros has survivors guilt for his role in the holocaust, and transfers his personal guilt into a hatred of Christianity whom he blames for the destruction of Jews. He was a secular atheist self-loathing Jew before he collaborated with the Eichmann team in Budapest. The man is so saddled with guilt and self-loathing, only the grace of God by the shed blood of Jesus Christ (not water baptism) can redeem him and save him from the self-destructive path his parents set him on before he was 14 years old. He lives only for vengeance. His lust for vengeance is a covering or atonement for his own self-riddled guilt for his rebellion against God and his role in the destruction of his own people.RobSLive Free or Die 14:43, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Hold on, didn't Soros in that interview revealing his role in collaborating with the Nazis make clear he didn't have even a shred of remorse or guilt in selling out his fellow Jews? Pokeria1 (talk) 14:52, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
He falls back on the "I was a 14 year old punk and didn't know better". It's understandable. He's an 86 year old case of arrested development with the emotional maturity of a traumatized 14 year old. That may work in juvie or criminal court, but it won't work before the Judgement Seat of Christ. RobSLive Free or Die 15:01, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
In the divine judicial system, Christ plays two roles depending on the defendant. To Christians, Christ is the defense attorney or Advocate before the Father; to non-Christians, Christ is the judge with a pre-determined and unpersuadable outlook and you represent yourself pro se. Satan of course is the prosecutor in both proceedings.
Most pro se defendants, in fact 100%, are no match to stand up against Satan in either proceeding.
And pro se defendants before the Judgement Seat of Christ have no appeal rights to the Father. Those whom Christ represents as an Advocate before the Father, the final court of appeal, have nothing to fear, cause Christ has already defeated Satan and laid him to an open shame. RobSLive Free or Die 15:10, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
As a Christian, I have nothing but compassion for the man, and would love the opportunity to share my faith and evangelize him at the age of 86 before he goes the way of all flesh. His sin while he was alive and after his death will be his only legacy if he doesn't abandon his pride and rebellion against God. RobSLive Free or Die 14:51, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
I was the first to bring up the benefits of the futures markets to Conservative here, but now thanks to him, we can understand those and other markets way better than what I could explain! VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 15:21, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Anyways, we're hot on the money trail of the financiers of 2020 Antifa riots. Thus far we have two big money men, Soros and Tom Steyer. But like Obama in the Obamagate scandal, "the family had a lotta buffers" . RobSLive Free or Die 15:35, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Do you really think they might have used local conveyances/construction materials? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 21:17, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
NYPD says some construction sites were robbed before hand. Here an hourly timeline would be necessary cause it was only a matter of say, 36 to 48 hours for the word to go out to NYC, L.A., Kansas City, Baltimore and Dallas to execute the same plan. In the case of NYC, materials had to have been carried off by hand. In L.A., Dallas, and Fayetteville NC it appears brick and materials must've been ordered up for same day delivery. So, curious one time money transfers to building suppliers must've taken place rather simultaneously. RobSLive Free or Die 22:45, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
If alternatively, there were local conspirators with stockpiles of bricks in houses, garages, storage lockers, etc, that required several reliable individuals in cities throughout the country to handle and transport by hand on short notice, we're talking about an even greater degree of coordination and conspiracy - one that can hardly be described as run by anarchists. RobSLive Free or Die 22:49, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
People ready to act on cue when they receive their marching orders are no anarchists. This action rather has the hallmarks of Maoist theory - that the American people and their federal, state, and local governments are a paper tiger, ready to fall on its own accord with a gentle shove. RobSLive Free or Die 22:56, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
This page of instructions seems to confirm what you just said [though in a backhanded way]. Notice how the guy flatters the anarchist mindset by saying we're trusting you to act on your own. Wild. Have you really never seen this? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 23:27, 6 June 2020 (EDT) 04:37, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Open question

Does the immunity granted to liberal identity group members (most of whom with phony copies of blacks' courts-upheld civil rights damage claims)—and their corresponding virtue signalers—from adjudgments of racism, sexism and persecution of sexual-orientation minorities stand as tall as the benefits of white privilege, the record of which they purport to have secured as factual and not as politically-motivated deception? If so, especially if those records are brought to the table and examined, whites may not be as politically indebted as they think they are. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 16:15, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Hickenlooper is in big trouble

About the 2020 Colorado Senate race, Cory Gardner's chances of winning re-election will all come down to who his Democrat opponent will be. If it's the more "moderate" John Hickenlooper, he may lose easily; however, if it's the grassroots progressive Andrew Romanoff, it will probably tilt red despite Colorado being a blue state. The primary is less than a month away (June 30th, 2020, according to Ballotpedia), and Hickenlooper just got in BIG trouble. He was under investigation, refused to testify after being subpoenaed, and found GUILTY by a independent commission on two ethics charges. Now, it's important to note in the Democrat primary for the presidential election in the state that Bernie Sanders won, although the vote was split between him, Biden, Warren, and Bloomberg Mini Mike, with the results respectively being 37%, 25%, 17.5%, and 18.5%. The Bernie voters will likely vote for Romanoff and the Biden voters for Hickenlooper, but it's hard to say how the Bloomberg and Warren voters will split. An advantage for Romanoff was the precinct caucuses, where he won in a landslide over Hickenlooper and the other candidates. Also, there may potentially be election fraud in favor of Hickenlooper. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 15:07, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

Ok, so a "moderate" Democrat takes his mother to porno movies. Ok, I'm following the logic so far.... RobSLive Free or Die 18:49, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
I think there were initially over a dozen Democrat candidates for the Colorado Senate race, but all of them have withdrawn except for Hickenlooper and Romanoff. For some reason, the candidates that the DNC/DSCC consider to be the "cream of the crop" turn out to be creepy, old men who look like Da Nang Dick. And that not to mention that Hickenlooper is currently married to a woman over two decades younger than him. And come to think of it, I do wonder about the "moderate" Democrats who are voting for him this month... --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 19:15, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
By the way RobSmith, thanks for adding the detail in the John Hickenlooper page. I think there might be a more notable details to add as well highlighting the true person Chicken-snoozer really is. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 19:17, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
The next time you call him "Chicken-snoozer" will be your last. Hickenlooper has limitless potential I tells ya. Limitless! VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 02:11, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Oh? What do mean, Vargas? He may possibly be the stricken-loser of the primary because of the fact that he lost the March precinct caucuses in a landslide to Romanoff, who later tweeted about crushing the D.C. machine. Besides, Colorado is full of Bernie Bros. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 02:20, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Liberal logic

Those results shouldn't count because there were no mail-in ballots to the caucus. It's not true that a lot of people would have voted for Hickenlooper that didn't...but it oughta be true. So what's the harm in adding a few Hickenlooper votes to reflect that ideal? VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 02:35, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Even then, given the massive margin of victory for Romanoff, I don't think Hickenlooper would just win the primary easily. Since the former governor couldn't even garner 30% of the vote in the caucuses, he had to pursue signatures to qualify for the ballot. And as referred to in the external pages linked above, super-blooper got charged by an independent commission with ethics violations, which will NOT reflect well. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 02:52, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
And besides, given that Chicken-snoozer is siding with the low-energy, senile Joseph R. Biden as compared to the younger, firebrand progressive Andrew Romanoff, how do you think that will affect the primary in terms of enthusiasm? --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 02:57, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
What does he do, give out free bar drinks in his brew pubs to get signatures? RobSLive Free or Die 11:45, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
In Arizona (a neighboring state) bars are closed on election day because of the long time tradition of buying votes by buying drinks. RobSLive Free or Die 11:48, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
That could perhaps be so; I wouldn't be surprised if Hickenlooper makes sure that his supporters are drunk. After all, he was the one that set such a low bar of qualification for being a moderate Democrat, since I'm following the logic... --LiberaltearsFlip the House red! 11:52, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
They probably have a clipboard on the bar to sign up for a free drink, then take a tax deduction for a promotional giveaway. RobSLive Free or Die 13:32, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
You'd have to check FEC filings for how much money he paid for volunteers and footsoldiers to gather signatures, then somehow cross check it with deductions paid for bartender salaries. If it occurred during lockdown, he may have used PPP funds which wouldn't surprise me. RobSLive Free or Die 13:40, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
It oughta matter too that Biden and Romanoff are running for different political offices, but no: because with that, VargasMilan showed he didn't have the courage to block Liberaltears for saying "Chicken-snoozer" again and thus ended the saddest chapter in Conservapedia history. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 04:27, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
First of all Vargas, I made no direct comparison between Biden and Romanoff; I only compared to Biden to Hickenlooper, the latter whom is Romanoff's opponent. Second, why would I even be blocked for saying "Chicken-snoozer"? Besides, I only asserted a possibility that Hickenlooper may lose the primary. Third, I provided sources for my assertions, while you didn't. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 11:34, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
You'd think so, but I feel I have received the "short end" of this argument and will not be saying anything more. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 12:35, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Hickenlooper lies about Gardner's record

So apparently, in the world of John Hickenlooper, as he said here in a debate with Andrew Romanoff, Cory Gardner supposedly supports Donald Trump “100% of the time”. This is pretty pathetic, and I'm wondering if Hickenlooper Super-blooper, like Joseph Robinette Biden, Jr., has dementia and cannot remember that time in January 2018 where Gardner outright called for Jeff Sessions to reverse a marijuana crackdown and threatened to block all Trump DOJ nominations. Not to mention that Sen. Gardner only voted with Trump around 80% of the time in the 116th United States Congress. Also, I will concede that maybe Hickenlooper has a stronger chance of winning the primary, given that the latter is only semi-closed and thus meaning that independent voters can participate. --LiberaltearsFlip the House red! 01:27, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

Congressional Dems take a knee for George Floyd

The Dems' latest hero stuck a pistol into a pregnant woman's stomach. See "George Floyd Criminal Past Record of Arrest History/Career Timeline: Robbery, Baggie, Gun Pregnant and All Details" and "Democrats take a knee in US Congress in George Floyd tribute." I wonder what the MeToo Movement would have thought. PeterKa (talk) 18:33, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

I suppose you're entitled to know why I'm making contact
With acqaintances scattered all over the land;
I'd promise you now and again that I'd honor the contract,
If it hadn't crumbled away in my hand.
Well we broke that vow
Independently now,
But I don't know why
You absolutely deny...
You bowed down!
VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 02:04, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
This is as putrid and sickening as it gets, seeing these racist scum and slave massas pander and pray for African American votes. RobSLive Free or Die 13:43, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
And blacks are not fooled; see how Jacob Frey was treated after he kneeled before George Floyd's coffin. This proves how ignorant the Washington Democrat congressional leadership is. Yah, they will fool a few blacks, but it's mostly done for progressive virtue signaling to whites and white rioters. But the white progressives will burn down their house anyway, if given the chance. RobSLive Free or Die 13:53, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Covid-19 began filling Wuhan's hospitals in August

It seems that the covid-19 deception started earlier than we realized: "Satellite images of Wuhan may suggest coronavirus was spreading as early as August." There was a "steep increase" in traffic at five Wuhan hospitals in August 2019 compared to a year earlier. The heavy traffic continued until December. Wei Guixin, a shrimp vendor at the Huanan seafood market, is the official patient zero. She started to feel sick around December 10. For several months, the authorities pushed the idea that a species jump occurred at the seafood market. This story never made much sense. The sample from Wei showed that she had a version of virus that was already fully adapted to live in a human host. So the jump from bats to humans must have happened months earlier. PeterKa (talk) 22:33, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

5) The lab theory places great stock in the fact that bats were not for sale at the wet market in Wuhan.
But the coronavirus didn’t jump from bats directly to humans. Like SARS, MERS and the bird flu (H5N1), it migrated from bats to some other exotic animal, and then to humans.
Based on a genetic analysis, the intermediate animal in the Wuhan virus is believed to be the pangolin.
Guess what was for sale at the Wuhan wet market? Pangolins! (“Traditional Chinese medicine” teaches that pangolin scales can cure a score of ailments, from impotence to arthritis.)
—Ann Coulter, May 6, 2020
See Atheism and the Wuhan coronavirus epidemic.
VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 21:59, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
I am a big fan of Coulter's political columns, but I wouldn't follow her on this. This genetic study says it couldn't have been pangolins. The Chinese press dropped the seafood market theory in late January. The current line is that any claim that the virus has a Chinese origin is "anti-China" and that "COVID-19 may have multiple origins co-existing around the world."[51] Hey, it's everybody's fault except China's!
Perhaps Shi Zhengli is better informed on this issue than Coulter. She points the finger at the Chinese horseshoe bat. She found a virus in this bat that, like the Wuhan virus, has a "spike protein." She also posted this comment on social media: “I predicted in 2018 that the chances of cross-species infection of the bat Sars-related coronavirus were quite high. But I didn’t expect it to happen so soon … in the city where I live.” See "Shi Zhengli publishes new paper on pathogen’s evolution." PeterKa (talk) 22:56, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Thank you for looking that up. I looked up the evidence for early Wuhan virus contagion, and it wasn't CNN, but a company they reported on along with Fox News called RSMetrics that took satellite images of Wuhan back in September that showed hospital parking lots full of cars. I guess the Chinese Communists say the photograph is UnChinese too. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 23:07, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Commie agitrop. No, the U.S. is not rejoining the WHO. No, the CCP can't stop the formation of D10. No, the commie dream of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the CCP singing Imagine next January will not happen. No, CCP commie bosses can't stop implementation of the Global Magnitsky Act against them. No, the 130 million unemployed in China won't go back to work in factories anytime soon. It's too late, "the train is down the tracks" as they said at the outbreak of WWI. RobSLive Free or Die 00:45, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
Fun Fact: As I understand it, the number of unemployed in China is approaching, if it has not already exceeded, the size of the U.S. workforce. Boy, if that does not set up a pretext for world war under the Obamaesque notion of "share the wealth". RobSLive Free or Die 13:22, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
Many people don't know that John Lennon retracted some of things he said in "Imagine", or at least was willing to repeat opposing beliefs as a valid point of view, in his song "Mind Games" two years later.
Also, the same people who broadcast the song after jihad attacks in Paris did nothing afterwards, when you think they might have at least protested at mosques. It seems like the only purpose they saw in the anthem they adopted was to make an empty gesture designed to assist in presenting, thinking and feeling themselves to be morally superior. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 17:22, 10 June 2020 (EDT) 01:12, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
In WWI, when diplomats stood eyeball to eyeball without blinking, they ordered mobilization. The troops were loaded on trains and sent to the Marne. Then they started thinking, "Wait a minute, what have we done?" So they blinked. But the only response they got was, "It's too late, the train is down the tracks." (That's why we have a United Nations today so diplomats are talking 24/7).
Then came the Cuban Missile Crisis where somebody blinked. Afterward they established the hotline. But that only works for nuclear war. In the case of a bioweapon accident, the WHO is supposed to handle that. In the case of a bioweapon attack, there is no hotline.
Bottomline, it's too late, the train is down the tracks in isolating China, so much so, the people of China are going to have to storm the palace of the Forbidden City themselves, because the outside world won't and can't do it for them. It's tragic. Between now and then, yes, there will be much suffering, unemployment, and starvation among the Chinese people. Unemployment may be 160 million right now, while the US workforce has shrunk to 130 million. This is a witch's brew for war. And American communists are doing a terrific job of stirring anti-communist sentiment among the American people right now.
Any crap you hear about the source of the virus now is just part of the CCP propaganda war, unless its from Pompeo and the State Department as long as Trumps' in office. RobSLive Free or Die 03:02, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay, Trump's motto right now is "law and order". There's a Chinese saying: "Return to the way. How can there be harm in this?" The anti-communists follow Trump's lead, who can respond step by step with China. And Trump has buffers: His own Treasury Secretary is in charge of the Federal Reserve, we have divided government, but he's been non-aggressive domestic policy-wise, he can bite his tongue and open American markets to the Chinese.
Are the Chinese Communists really too incompetent to not carry out their wishes to the bitter end? For example, can't they scale back their goals for naval superiority over their region? VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 08:11, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Over the past 20-50 years Westerners have painted a delusional picture of the Chinese regime for themselves. Why this is could take up a whole Essay, but let's just say (1) a desire for world peace, and (2) CCP secrecy, among a dozen other reasons. This delusion is so strong Americans are now starting to realize Muslims are actually victims.
And the CCP doesn't fit the stereotype of Leftwing Soviet Communism. It's more like German national socialism, only with 1/5 of the world population and nuclear weapons. This generation faces a foe that is way more powerful than Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union with the same objectives and hostile intent of world domination. The Nixonian solution of trying to make nice has failed.
Didn't you say Chinese census figures were unreliable, besides? And I'd be the first to insist China pay, but 1) You can't collect from someone that's bankrupt, we should know that from Trump, and 2) While the virus conduct was outrageous, we haven't got to the point yet where it's outlandish or beyond belief. Some have said Lyme disease was a bio-technological accident as well. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 08:28, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Reading Chinese economic figures is always problematic. News reports just say, "they lie and cheat", but who do we look to then? The CIA World Fact Book destroyed its credibility by exaggerating Soviet estimates for 45 years, but shouldn't be dismissed wholly. Even when we do find more realistic or credible estimates, what is more important is understanding the economic power structure, CCP corruption, and its impact domestically and globally.
For the first time ever in China's 5,000 year history, China is becoming more aggressive outside it's borders. This again can take up a few Essays. Let's just say their idea of foreign policy doesn't fit the Western mold ("Australia is the gum stuck to the bottom of China's show" in the midst of global crisis they began) Or the idea of "national security", which Americans used to think was a foreign policy issue; with Spygate, Antifa domestic terrorism, and the One China policy toward Hong Kong, "national security" now means dealing with domestic enemies.
As to reparations for its criminal negligence, the bill right now is about $6 trillion, with about $2 trillion of that in U.S. claims. In the first six months of 2020, that's about 8% of World GDP (per anum), and it only grows larger every passing day. The CCP shows no willingness to stem the hemorrhaging. So to address this problem we have to return to what I said earlier about understanding China's economic power system.
Your comment about collecting from a deadbeat is interesting; eventually there may be a need for a global Marshall Plan for China's recovery, but that would be like offering Hitler a Marshall Plan after the bombing of Dresden and before he blew his brains out.
Once more, we need to understand China's economic and socio-political structure better. We did a good job analyzing Iraq's before the Iraq war, but the solution to liberating the Chinese people (and Iranian) people has to come internally. RobSLive Free or Die 10:05, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Maybe that's what you're trying to say in a backhanded way: The Chinese Communists miss no opportunity to miss an opportunity to reconcile with anyone, and you want a sympathetic ear to hear you grouse about it, but it's hidden among the wealth of surrounding information you provide. Well, forget it. I've got my own problems! Maybe tomorrow will be different. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 08:47, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Get ready for an October Surprise: If come October, polls show Trump and the silent majority heading for a landslide of Nixonian proportions, the CCP might release a new strain of the virus. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:48, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Profane and vain babblings

User:Dataclarifer denied the authority of scripture and inserted this qualification:

  • "the Bible must be "rightly divided" and interpreted by the "leaders"

lifting two words from 2 Timothy 2:15, "rightly divided" and adding by the "leaders". However in verse 9 of 2 Timothy 2 it says "the word of God is not bound" which I understand to mean open to everyone. My question, is pursuing User:Dataclarifier's misuse of scripture worthwhile in hopes of bringing him to repentance, or do I follow the dictum of the next verse, 2 Timothy 2:16,

  • shun profane and vain babblings

cause that is all he seems to do when asked either simple or serious questions about the Bible? RobSLive Free or Die 13:07, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

One papist at CP, who was a staunch evolutionist Catholic, said he would like to punch me in the nose. I told him I have martial arts training and would block his punch. :)
Oh, those were the days!
"Once upon a time there was a tavern. Where we used to raise a glass or two. Remember how we laughed away the hours. And think of all the great things we would do. Those were the days my friend. We thought they'd never end. We'd sing and dance forever and a day. We'd live the life we choose. We'd fight and never lose. For we were young and sure to have our way. La la la la la la. La la la la la la. La la la la. La la la la la la."[52]
I know I won more wiki edit war battles than I lost, but my days of wiki edit warring are largely over. :)Conservative (talk) 14:41, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
  • your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace
isn't just flowery rhetoric. Nothing is more objectionable than misuse of scripture and turning it into a random collection of pious sounding phrases. RobSLive Free or Die 14:54, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
I remember this phrase as "profane novelties of speech".
I recently mentioned Dataclarifier went on and on (11 times?) praising the character state of metanoia and trying to translate it as "repentance", something Martin Luther specifically pointed out as an abuse of translation once he was able to gain access to the New Testament in the original Greek. That's incredible to me, as it seems he was laying a foundation trying to enslave modern Christians with a 500-year-old abuse of Scripture, as if he were doing it just for the spite. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 17:00, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
"Then I progressed further and saw that metanoia could be understood as a composite not only of 'afterward' and 'mind,' but also of the [prefix] 'trans' and 'mind' (although this may of course be a forced interpretation), so that metanoia could mean the transformation of one's mind and disposition. Yet it seemed to express not only the actual change of disposition but also the way by which this change is accomplished, that is, the grace of God. Such transition of the mind, that is, the most true poenitentia, is found very frequently in Holy Scripture: the old Passover foreshadowed it, and Christ made it a reality; it was also long before that time prefigured in Abraham, when (according to the learnèd exegesis of Paul of Burgos) he began to be called 'he who passes over,' that is, a 'Hebrew,' evidently because he had come across into Mesopotamia. The title of the Psalm likewise [suggests] it when it calls the singer 'Idithun,' which means 'he who jumps over.'
"Continuing this line of reasoning, I became so bold as to believe that they were wrong who attributed so much to penitential works that they left us hardly anything of poenitentia, except some trivial satisfactions on the one hand and a most laborious confession on the other. It is evident that they were misled by the Latin term, because the expression poenitentiam agere suggests more an action than a change in disposition; and in no way does this do justice to the Greek metanoein."—Martin Luther, May 30, 1518.
"Poenitentia means either the remorse of the sinner or the penance imposed on the sinner by the church. The penitential system of the early and medieval church fused both meanings in the term 'do penance' [poenitentiam agere] (which meant both a contrite heart on the part of the sinner and his fulfilling of satisfactions)."—Gottfried G. Krodel, 1963.
[So repentant in Latin derivations means "repenting", and repentance thus means primarily "the act or state of repenting" (Old Fr. pentir < L. paenitēre).]
VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 02:14, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
"penance imposed on the sinner by the church"? My God. You mean you have to bribe church officials to be let back into the clan? I wonder what God has to say about that? RobSLive Free or Die 02:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
No, Luther said the satisfaction was "trivial" (a recitation of a prayer, probably), but describing the sin could be excruciating, though I know you're mis-seeing it so you can make that funny remark that came to your mind. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 02:51, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
My understanding of metanoia comes from Scofield which says it's simply change. Change of heart and/or change of mind, depending on context; change of heart or change of mind toward God, and change of heart or change of mind toward sin. I've seen criticism of Scofield, but never on this definition.
In the case of Luther, he was fighting two battles simultaneously, one refuting the Roman church, and secondly translating the scriptures into a vernacular. Later scholars didn't have to fight either battle with one arm tied behind their back. Hence, I never read Luther. RobSLive Free or Die 03:23, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Scofield's definition is so simple and aptly fitting, it's kind of shocking and amazing anyone would argue about. RobSLive Free or Die 03:28, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
OTH, Dataclarifier reminds me of an old Baptist friend preacher I knew who, everytime I talked about doing something stupid, he'd say, "You know what the bible says, What ever thou must do, do so quickly". Eventually I caught the joke. Those were the last words Jesus said to Judas, who then got a rope and hung himself. Only Dataclarifier's misuse of scripture is always angry and abusive, and never with grace toward whom it is directed. RobSLive Free or Die 03:44, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
I would suggest that "repentance" is somewhere between "act" and "state" while metanoia is somewhere between "state" and "disposition", more of a yielding quality.
Yielding to change or performing a change? That might be an important next step in definition, with the hope of ending up reaching something substantial. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 03:56, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
When someone leads you step by step away from truth, I don't find that a reputable way of persuasion or definition. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 04:04, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Except when Conservative does it, because he only does it to be funny and cheer you up. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 04:08, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
I've never heard this, but the book from which I got the Luther quote said that Luther's 95 theses (which had a great deal to do with the metanoia definition) were an invitation to a formal debate he wanted to introduce through the regular venues for that and didn't realize they would be so widely shared. The book also said the letter I quoted was Luther's letter to a Bible scholar who had helped him at one point on the issue and wanted to ask him to help him again to tell the Pope 1) about all the discussion he had inadvertently fostered, 2) to explain he did in fact feel indulgences had drifted into a serious problem among many of the German dioceses whose situation he knew, but his purpose wasn't to cause a scandal and 3) to spell out to the Pope his own position ahead of the time if and when any debate might be actually be heard.
So Luther's reforms hadn't turned into a "battle" yet at the moment he wrote this letter. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 07:13, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Yes, I think I've heard that too somewhere. Luther evidently knew his congregation were Christian people of conscience, and having a simple open discussion about things the Roman church deemed heretical (and thus by standing precedent worthy of the supreme measure) was nothing to fear. Luther derived the principles of free speech from the scriptures more than two centuries before the American founding fathers did. I don't know if he knew it would kick off a bloody reaction.
The Roman church has a long history of suppression of the scriptures. As late as the 1970s it was illegal to gather in small private bible study groups. I guess it was ruled venial, which is something like a misdemeanor. I've been told this prohibition has been repealed - as has the prohibition on cremation which was pagan (IOWs, the church has become pagan) - but I don't really know the facts. If Roman Catholics now can legally read the bible or study it independently, it makes sense the hierarchy might become more aggressive in perverting its meaning.
The truth is, the Roman church fathers are not strict constructionists. They're more like SCOTUS and gay marriage, they change with the times. RobSLive Free or Die
Picture this: You encounter this argument and say "why do you keep repeating yourself? It's just a word; sure some authority says it means just what you say if you say so (who would bother to deceive about that?) but that's not the point, one word wouldn't have key relevance to the whole argument of infant baptism." He says: Answer! Is metanoia the act of change of heart and mind or not? Martin Luther is a witness against you! It's the basis of the 95 theses, so it's the basis of Protestantism! It's in the historical record! You don't even know Protestantism, and you think you can evaluate Catholicism? I will tell Andy we must be separate, but of equal authority!
You: I think it means an attitude of allowing oneself to be changed in mind or heart by being led by God's grace through humblingly uncertain ground—as understood to be demanded by the full height of faith in response to revealed miracles—instead of heaping up pride to push one's mind and heart past meetings of possible revelations, of the type that it's not our job to understand how to fit into the task of preserving the office instituted by men that one holds at any cost!
VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 14:49, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Wow! That first paragraph encapsulates so much, I wanna make a Template of it spam it all over CP on every page our friend DC edited!
I try. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:24, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
I guess repentance isn't between you and God; it's dependent upon some third party approval. All else is gnostic mysticism. RobSLive Free or Die 16:27, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

Conservapedia editors fighting acerbically over Catholicism-Protestantism while there are much bigger fish to fry in the world (from leftist riots, to abortion killings, to Communist party viruses) is really sad and painful to watch. A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 17:43, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

You got a point there; that seems to be all Dataclarifier wanted to do. He repeatedly tried to turn discussion on scripture into some sort of Catholic vs. Protestant war. Me personally, I'm hardly knowledgeable about Protestantism and told him numerous times. Him, he was hardly knowledgeable about scripture and probably shouldn't have been editing any pages dealing with scripture. RobSLive Free or Die 18:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
What ever happened to: "Correct a wise man, and he learns even more"? Do you really think God is pleased by a man who won't be told? VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 23:53, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
"Be steadfast in the faith, my son" There's a thousand scriptures that can be abused. I was raised with the same anti-Protestant bigotry prior to Vatican II and the Ecumenical Movement, so I know all the buzzwords and phrases. I remember the day orders came down from on high to toss out "Holy Ghost" and hence forward it would only be "Holy Spirit". In first grade, I remember two nuns inspecting the class to see if we went from left to right (an anti-Orthodox gesture) when making the sign of the cross. Dataclarifier is old school, probably opposes the English mass. His beef really is with catholicism itself (and probably cremation, which I hear is legal now).
I remember when a "mixed marriage" was marrying a Lutheran, not a negro. My own grandma, a devout Catholic, married a Lutheran in the 1920s which was scandalous. But they both spoke German. She was a Polack so she was "marrying up." RobSLive Free or Die 09:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
You moved so quickly, I didn't see that. You actually found a verse to oppose that verse. (Note to readers: the Bible says "iron sharpens iron", which seems to mean "even apparent contradictions can be used to clarify ideas and help us to understand ideas, including even Scriptural ideas better." But Rob seems to know a few contrarian verses that he has seen used in a way more like "vanquishing your opponent".)
You've also opened a crack through which we can see a past world which many of us must never have known or suspected very much about. Sometimes it pays to pay close attention to what RobS is saying. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 21:28, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
"sparks fly upward" has a spiritual meaning. I heard a whole sermon on that once but would need a refresher. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:00, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Defund or defend the police?

Here's the little secret behind the current controversy: All departments have to reduce funding because of economic collapse and the Global Depression created by the Chinese Communist Party and the CCP global pandemic. Democrats are seeking to score a win with far-leftists as if their anti-police agenda is being carried out. RobSLive Free or Die 13:30, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

Yeah, I believed that for years about network television news; they adopted leftist views to score wins with far-leftists in American society so they didn't get attacked.
Then Fox News came along and showed it was completely possible. They presented news that didn't marginalize conservatives, and no one bombed their station. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 05:42, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
LA cut $150 million already. It's not cause of the Floyd riots (imagine the honor of having riots named after you) but cause of the economic collapse caused by lockdowns. The just sped the schedule up and and made a press release claiming they were being racially sensitive. RobSLive Free or Die 09:03, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
Great headline Rob, worthy of a meme. Defund Defend the Police!!! --Jpatt 10:05, 18 June 2020 (EDT)
What are we going to get rid of next? Garbagemen because the field shows signs of being part of the patriarchy conspiracy and is male dominated? Now they are called "waste collectors"!!!! Call a spade by another name and it is still a spade!!!!Wisdomcriesout (talk) 15:13, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

Situation shifting on the ground for cannon fodder

Day before: Masks and social distancing should be mandatory for all.
During what foreigners and out-of-touch liberal news editors think looks like a major communist uprising in the United States: asymptomatic transition is very rare.
After foreigners and out-of-touch liberal news editors find out they're wrong about the popularity of the riots: asymptomatic transmission is a major unknown.

Collaborationist news reporter who doesn't know the rioters are astroturf: I'll downplay what you guys are doing, so you know when you take over the city that I'll be informing you of American security force troop movements to help co-ordinate your defense efforts and broadcast your propaganda.

Liberal Congressmen: Let's do military exercises in African garb to deflect the virtue-signal into conveying the riots were done for blacks, not in order to exploit them. And in masks too with social distancing. After all, it's a major unknown. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 05:20, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

He is not a fledgling conservative on Twitter, so I can reveal Ian Bremmer provided the material for the first paragraph, close to what the World Health Organization actually announced at those times. I provided very litle polish.
It's been going around that a liberal newscaster downplayed the riots while there was a large fire blazing in the building behind him. And I think there was a MPR item about a newscaster who scoffed, "who ever said protests were peaceful?"—while the U.S. Constitution cites the "right to peaceful assembly".
I don't know a good way to help small Twitter accounts. I wish they'd get Patreon accounts. I think people would really respond. Right now I can only help accounts if they grow large. I know I don't have much of an effect, but I know how bad I'd feel if I had quoted a Twitter account that later got deleted because of Twitter manager abuse, and they ended up losing 19 20ths of their followers, as has happened.
While I'm giving an award speech, thanks to RobS for inspiring me with his "groveling" Congresspeople remark. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 06:38, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
MSNBC reporting on the riots. RobSLive Free or Die 10:47, 11 June 2020 (EDT)


Feb 29, 2020: 158.8 million
Mar 31, 2020: 155.8 million
Apr 30, 2020: 133.4 million
May 31, 2020: 137.2 million

These figures mean the U.S. economy's employment has only recovered 15.0% from its trough on April 30. I think the stock market has recovered 40% of the growth from the beginning of Trump's term to its height. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 15:33, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

To sum up: 21.6 million still disemployed. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 16:05, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

I have mixed feelings about the May report; we've seen these numbers manipulated and jiggled for political effect before (by Dem & GOP admins), and Larry Kudlow is an old hand at it. It's like a bump in a rug; you can push down a 10 million man swing in one spot, but it's gonna pop up somewhere else (after November). As Kudlow well knows, Business Confidence indexes, and Consumer Confidence, are key and probably the most vital. The confidence people have in the future is really more important than reading past performances (kinda like reading the Daily Racing Form at the racetrack before making a decision). RobSLive Free or Die 16:39, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Well, there are some confused Republicans who are still giving numbers like 35 million to express the depth of the carnage, so I felt it would be good to determine a definite amount to cap the hysteria a little. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:06, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Shooting from the hip, I'd say ~125 million, but those numbers look like BLS numbers. RobSLive Free or Die 17:20, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Yes, that's right; I seem to have added doubt at the very place I wanted to help remove it. Sorry. I don't even remember if I even mentioned that last time or not. The "experts" were supposedly expecting job loss, but when you turn your gaze to the "experts" pricing the stock market, they didn't seem to quite agree, did they? And they're not hired by someone who could derive a political benefit from good or bad news; they just want to get a good price for the college savings holders of their mutual funds! Thank you for your caveats about the limits of and the chicanery in those numbers. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 23:34, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Truth is, this was about as staged as it gets. We've known for months Trump was gonna roll out a big re-opening plan. Confidence indexes are key. Phony employment numbers spur stock market rally. Yea Team! (while the planet mourns George Floyd) The party of Hoover at work again. RobSLive Free or Die 09:09, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
For the sake of argument, let's say they were half right, and the real figure is around 132 million.
Now the problem is, BLS numbers only count companies plugged into the Federal Reserve System. They don't count the underground economy - those outside the Gig economy and without 1099 status. These probably got clobbered, but they also may be among the first to come roaring back - even before the "real" numbers catch up.
With new prohibitions on the Gig economy, this may be an opportunity to expand and tweak the blackmarket, illegal, underground "under the table" economy, meaning we may never have faith in "real" BLS numbers again cause no matter what it says about the "workforce", we all now it's larger than they claim. RobSLive Free or Die 12:18, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Triggered for the last time, U. S. Representative Rashida Tlaib and her cohorts in the Democratic Congressional Caucus have seized and barracaded the Capitol office floors and established the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ).

"There is no mask that can block what Republicans carry, so Congress has now been reclaimed for the people as a safe space from Republican legislative harassment!" Tlaib exulted to a journalist over the phone to a friendly news website. The Capitol police had already cut internet service in response to the brazen illegality of the attention-seeking members of Congress.

"What's odd about many of today's younger journalists and activists is that they think their 'trauma' and 'emotional damage' are things to be valorized in public—to solicit validation from their peers—rather than psychological problems that they need to resolve privately," tweeted Michael Tracey, a highly-followed and regarded commentator on Twitter. "And some of them are just plain nuts," he thought to add.

VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:00, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

I was watching The True Royal Family on Youtube last night; it appears blacks aren't happy with police unions. When they connect the dots that it's teacher's unions preventing them from educating their kids cause of opposition to Charter schools, the DNC is in big trouble. RobSLive Free or Die 17:27, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
2nd City Bureaucrat is a city attorney who racks up continuances like you wouldn't believe who posts on Twitter and turned Swami early morning last Friday to predict:
"I wonder what the approach will be. My guess is professionalization through more student debt, accreditation, neutralization of the union, a bigger bureaucracy etc, which will effectively end LE as a career option for the working class.
"The privileged POC and white activists will feel safer with middle class coreligionists running law enforcement."
I counted like three or four articles after that reporting a new trend of police unions raising concerns of folks in their community. Go figure. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 21:37, 11 June 2020 (EDT); 22:52, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

Oh dear, it's going to be a long night. If you really want to marinate in the stupidity, tune into Twitter:

Disgusted that #traitor and #sellout AOC has yet to recognize CHAZ as a true and legitimate People’s Government.
CHAZ went from nothing to a war-torn nation in less than 72 hours.
So it looks like things are going well over at CHAZ—Dana Loesch
turn off the water, power and sewers, then we'll see how "autonomous" they are.
Cut the power and water supply off. They should "autonomously" get it on their own.
Their parents think they are still in their rooms playing video games.
CHAZ protesters release list of crazy demands: Abolish police, close prisons, hire black doctors for black patients, give free college and housing to everyone
Down here at #Chaz (which I hear might be getting a name change) listening to an Indigenous elder speak. It’s a truly beautiful night.
Seattle Police hope to make deal with protesters to reclaim 'CHAZ'
This is like a hostage situation now

What could possibly go wrong? VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 01:19, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

They want to abolish courts and have re-trials for any person of color convicted. The devil is in the details. RobSLive Free or Die 08:24, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Did you ever here of The New People? A two year ABC tv show that premiered at the same time as Woodstock. A plane load of hippie baby boomers crash on a desert island (like Gilligan) and have to remake civilization and laws:
"Pilot episode for the obscure 1969 TV series The New People with a script written by Twilight Zone creator Rod Serling listed under the name "John Phillips".
A group of young people crash land on a deserted island, with the world thinking that they were all killed, "The New People" set out to form a civilization free from the problems and mistakes that their parents made, a task that soon becomes much more challenging than they had anticipated." [53]
As Solomon said, There is no new thing under the sun. RobSLive Free or Die 08:34, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Four words: Lord of the Flies![54]Conservative (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

This zone will be the living proof that the police are not needed. Or an army. Or financial markets.

This move could eventually reply to Trump's defunding of NATO. Why? The United States was effectively subsidizing Europe's socialism. Now they need a proof "socialism works" (no need for financial markets).

And eventually with no army in the zone, by extension it could be an example of that, too. The wonders that peaceful negotiation can work! (when one is protected 24/7 by a nuclear umbrella paid for by someone else).

Right away, it could co-ordinate with "Black Lives Matters" strategy of seriously proposing no police. What they will negotiate down to is no working-class LE, so Democratic law-makers can bludgeon the public with cultural-Marxism with fewer...gaps in their own physical protection.

Scary. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 04:10, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Listening to Joey Saladino right now. When they ban cops, courts, and evictions, who's gonna enforce it when the landlord hires goons and gangbangers to toss you and grandma out into the street? RobSLive Free or Die 09:47, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
I wrote the above when there was a surge of good publicity for the zone on Twitter. MPR is linking to reports they are running into what looks like legal problems that the zone leaders won't be able to prevent from overshadowing the glowing public relations the left media will try to shower the occupied microstate with. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 00:24, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

Federal Court upholds basic pro-life legislation

"A federal appeals court on Wednesday upheld a Missouri law that requires abortion clinics give every woman a booklet stating that life “begins at conception.” The unique case involves a female member of “The Satanic Temple” who became pregnant and then sued the state, asserting the law violates her religious beliefs and also violates the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment ...

A state, Stras said in the opinion, “does not establish religion by passing a law that just ‘happens to coincide or harmonize with the tenets of some or all religions.’”

“Some religions, including Catholicism, embrace the view that life begins at conception. Others, like Doe’s Satanism, do not. Any theory of when life begins necessarily aligns with some religious beliefs and not others,” Stras wrote. “So under Doe’s theory, Missouri’s only option would be to avoid legislating in this area altogether ... Stras was nominated by President Trump, as was Steven Grasz, who also joined the opinion. Duane Benton, the third judge to join the opinion, was nominated by President George W. Bush." NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:20, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

It's basic science, isn't it? It has nothing to do with religion. Maybe it could be fit into War on Science. RobSLive Free or Die 09:18, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Catholic Tradition like the Didache has condemned abortion since Apostolic times. The pro-life movement in the United States, and around the world, owes a lot to the Catholic Church. Some Anti-Catholics don't like that historical fact, but it is so. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 11:10, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

But then Italy produced Governor Cuomo who denied right-to-life protection to the unborn even up to nine months. So then there's that. He's nominally Catholic, isn't he?
By the way, why is the 1st century Didache "Catholic" tradition? It's written in Greek; is it supposed to be rejected by the Greek Orthodox? Please.
And when you impute spiritual struggles in others that aren't likely very applicable, doesn't it really rather show your own wishful thinking not unleavened with spite?
If I were you, I would ponder your answers to these questions, yes or no, carefully—and whether you should be raising them! VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 17:47, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
I can answer the Didache question. Well, bla bla bla Greek bla bla bla Latin bla bla bla scholars bla bla bla consensus bla bla bla non-scriptural bla bla bla therefore bla bla bla Peter. RobSLive Free or Die 17:54, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
I know I know. My own brother is the pastor of small church. We were both raised catholic like twins (11 months apart). Since covid, he does Sunday sermons on Facebook. They are difficult to watch for me cause I know him too well, and I'm too critical RobSLive Free or Die 18:05, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Excuse me. I'm well-prepared for any kind of answer N. Xavier chooses to give. I've had this new group of religious followers assessed and will dispatch them accordingly, as the need arises, either sooner or later. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:13, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
(ec) Well, as Dr. McGee would say "get the word out".
I was gonna say about me and my brother, we're kinda like James and Jesus. Jesus was a party animal (the Son of Man comes eating and drinking) and James was a real hardnose (faith with out works is dead). The Word of God is living and active. RobSLive Free or Die 18:20, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
The life you've led is full of surprises, to me at least. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:24, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
And that's good of your brother to do those services in his pastorage. He has my respect and appreciation. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:29, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

It's not about Latin or Greek. The Didache says, "you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten". You won't find a similar statement in Scripture alone, which is why some Sola Scriptura advocates were confused in the earlier days over whether or not to oppose abortion totally. The Catholic (and Orthodox) Church has always gone by Scripture+Apostolic Tradition, so there was no question that abortion was completely condemned by God. That is why the Church goes by Scripture+Tradition together. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 23:02, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

  • Scripture+Apostolic Tradition, so there was no question that abortion was completely condemned by God."
  • my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways - Isaiah 55:8
Yah, but there is a big question about adding anything to God's ways, thoughts, or scripture. RobSLive Free or Die 01:30, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay, I am going to put this out here, NX. St. Augustine appeared to contradict himself numerous times. Near the end of his life he had his works examined and his opinion asked about them, and he was able to resolve those contradictions to the satisfaction of nearly every observer. But think of the other Church Fathers that didn't have that opportunity because they tragically died before they were able to do what Augustine did. Even if we honor their spiritual gains if they were martyred.
If a single follower has that problem during his or her own lifetime, how much the more would that be the case with many different followers? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 02:01, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Speaking from personal experience as a prodigal child:

  • When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out. 25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished. 26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

What does this mean? When the unclean spirit comes out, are your going to fill the vacant dwelling with Apostolic tradition? The Holy Spirit does not exist in a vacuum. RobSLive Free or Die 03:08, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

IOWs, you have to have spirit inside you, not tradition. RobSLive Free or Die 03:11, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

What does Obama want?

Black Lives Matter is far from being a revolt of the ghetto. Ann Coulter wonderfully described it as a gayed up version of the Black Panthers. Barack Obama and Eric Holder have carefully nurtured the group since the Ferguson episode in 2014. I guess now we know why. They was preparing the stage for the current revolt. Not coincidentally, BLM's most prominent victims are Hillary Democrats, who are getting purged from the management of the New York Times and elsewhere. Corporate America is pouring money into the group, which is passing it on to the Biden campaign. See "Exploited Again – Financial Contributions to Black Lives Matter are Being Funneled to Biden Campaign…." in Conservative Treehouse. This leads to the odd conclusion that Obama was already planning this revolt back when he thought Hillary would be elected president. If Ferguson was a trial run, it's obviously not about Biden. Obama himself yearns for a comeback. I don't think anything like this has happened in American politics before. But the Chinese recognize a Cultural Revolution when they see one. This is from Global Times: "‘Cultural Revolution’ in US shows divide between fringe and mainstream: expert" (In today's China, you can condemn the Cultural Revolution, but not Mao Zedong, the man who led it.) The Cultural Revolution, like the BLM/Antifa revolt, featured attacks on religion and statutes. The political logic for it is less well remembered. Mao had been blamed for the famine of the Great Leap Forward and demoted. He was staging a revolt against his more conservative successors, President Liu Shaoqi and Communist party boss Deng Xiaoping. He succeeded in regaining control. Even during Trump's covid-19 heyday, Obama was outpolling him.[55] PeterKa (talk) 18:49, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Peter, Coulter also says this is the quadrennial riot groups that show up every election. You can expect to see Dr. David Duke again soon, too. Tell, me, am I wrong? But see below. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 19:30, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Right now, anyone with an IQ above 85 knows BLM has nothing to do with blacks or police violence; that still leaves, however, a very large diverse voter base among Democrats. RobSLive Free or Die 19:41, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Peter and you are giving me an education. But how can Obama make a "comeback"? As Biden's Vice-President? Michelle doesn't want to run. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 21:31, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
I think the job Obama wants is leader of the revolution, the guy who stirs up riots and such. If that is what he wants, his first priority is to oust Hillary's people. These are the people who have been running the Democratic party for the last few years. In the primary debates, all the candidates were bashing Obama. He's certainly made a recovery. PeterKa (talk) 09:56, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
Obama's the Paramount Leader. He's more like Deng Xioping than Mao, Xi or Stalin. He doesn't have to be General Secretary and Commander in Chief, he's above that now and can choose which flunky occupies those positions. RobSLive Free or Die 10:07, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
Fortunately, our black brethren are much more politically sophisticated than white racists give them credit for. While Blacks have deep pride and emotion for what Obama represents - a coming of age and acceptance - the split between Obama and many blacks occurred while he was still president. Many see him for what he is, a swamp creature who doesn't care about his people. And they see the Democrats too as racists who judge people by the color of the skin rather than content of the character. Black business owners and employers who had their businesses burnt down since 2014 all blame Obama, and these business owners are influential in hiring, granting opportunity, educating youth, and as role models. RobSLive Free or Die 10:23, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
Mao defined 10 percent of the population as the enemy. This was the basis to abuse people as landlords and kulaks. During the Cultural Revolution, "struggle sessions" and abuse were extended to the whole population, including party members. It reminds me of Joe Biden declaring that 10 to 15 percent of Americans are "not very good people." Nothing was more damaging to Hillary's campaign than when she declared half of Americans to be deplorable. The polls are pretty unambiguous about this. You'd think that the Dems would drop the Maoism after that episode. Perhaps it's matter of principle. PeterKa (talk) 20:55, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
This situation is hard to keep up with, so thank you for volunteering those insights about what issues are playing large roles in the campaigns. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 00:36, 14 June 2020 (EDT)
Peter nailed it. We're seeing Maoist rectification where we don't see the violence. It began with Roseanna Barr and Jimmy Kimmel having to apologize. Roseanne wasn't a true believer and was ostracized and banished. Jimmy is a believer and is going through reeducation.
Peter has one part of Maoist rectification backwards, however; it began among the true believers before the 1949 seizure of power. Mao, like Gideon in the bible, had too many warriors for the cause. Unlike Gideon, he murdered the excess of stragglers and opportunists to purify the band before the takeover of power. Since 1949 and particularly during the Cultural Revolution, intimidation through rectification was expanded to the general population. The persecution of Falun Gong is rectification. There are or were more Falun Gong than party members, and it would be difficult to exterminate them all. Hence rectification is decreed by the government ("socialism with Chinese characteristics").
After the Minneapolis police discovered incendiary devices hidden in residential neighborhoods and cast aspersions on the righteous cause of the revolutions, the DFL City Council Politburo moved to disband the defenders of bourgeois property rights.
BLM is a Maoist organization whose donations go directly to the DNC and Biden campaign; to criticize its very name makes one a racist and hence worthy of death per the Nuremberg precedents. RobSLive Free or Die 06:35, 15 June 2020 (EDT)
Dr. Li Wenliang, hero of the Chinese Resistance to communism, was "rectified" (that's what the documents say) when he was arrested and signed a forced confession admitting to rumourmongering and threatening the social order. RobSLive Free or Die 06:51, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Take a knee for the Lord

Allow me to remind you that Tim Tebow was the first to "take the knee", and all that followed afterward were jealous counterfeits, hardly of principled liberals, but of well-paid atheletes ungrateful of their economic opportunities in America, especially with the new football league, corporate marketing departments trying to be woke and the twitching amputated limb of Chinese Communist influence. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 19:30, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Wow. Now that was good. Work it up into a headline and I'll post it on MPR. RobSLive Free or Die 19:43, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Nothing fancy, Just something like, "Tim Tebow was the first to take a knee in the NFL and was kicked out," or "White privilege: Tim Tebow was the first to take a knee in the NFL and was kicked out," or some such.
I know for a fact several prominent media people cull CP pages and MPR for ideas and talking points that they claim as their own and never give us credit. RobSLive Free or Die 19:47, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Rob, there's some things you just can't summarize. Sometimes, you either get the full Vargas, or you don't get it at all. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 20:13, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
You didn't gimme a link, and now Cons beat me to it. RobSLive Free or Die 20:20, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Harmonious date

Change 12-JUNE-2020 to
12-06 x 2020, and you get
12-12120. I don't know what to do with extra "0". VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 20:24, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Trump flips, says would prefer new Republican platform

(On Twitter.) Like you, I don't want a new one either. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:13, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Lisa Page and NBC: loved, admired, hired (deserves to be jailed)

Isn't she adorable? VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:19, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Didn't her reputation get Strzok down? (see here for more jokes) --LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:22, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
In his heart, he thinks he's funny. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 00:46, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
Follow the plot line closely here now: Strzok's famous "insurance policy" was specifically aimed at Flynn. The FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane on the Carter Page & Papadopoulos non-existent predicates, but Flynn was always the target (he knew too much from his DIA days; he was one of the heads of the 17 intelligence agencies, along with Comey, Clapper, Brennan, their deputies and staff. He knew where the bodies were buried). McCabe and Strzok wanted to add Flynn to the CH investigation with no evidence to CYA. Lisa Page evidently was queasy about trumping up BS charges on Flynn. Strzok was trying to talk her into it, "it's an insurance policy unless you die before you're 40". In January, before the FBI interviewed Flynn, she says she has the gnawing feeling the whole thing can go wrong.
Now, awaiting the ruling from the Appeals Court where Flynn can be exonerated any day, Lisa Page is in a position to either cover for her friends and co-conspirators who got her fired, or claim she had nothing to do with it - they were a bunch bad apples, and "I told you so". God help her if she starts trash talking Barr or the judicial system. RobSLive Free or Die 01:09, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
IOWs, "insurance policy" Aug 15; Aug 16 FBI opens Crossfire Razor - Flynn investigation. RobSLive Free or Die 01:25, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Two Thirds of Americans oppose Defunding the Police (communist) initiative

It was Lenin who inaugurated a dissolving the police revolution in Russia before the October Revolution in 1917. Now, Communists are doing the same again. The good news is, 2/3rds of Americans oppose it: "Nearly two-thirds of Americans oppose the “defund the police” movement and some of its major goals, including reallocating funds earmarked for law enforcement to pay for other services that advocates believe would lead to reductions in crime, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos poll.

According to the findings, 64 percent of Americans oppose calls to defund police agencies, compared with 34 percent who support the movement."

—unsigned post by NishantXavier (Talk) 00:42, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

I studied the polls and suspect this sentiment of "defunding" is loved by hard-core liberals and PhDs in gated communities (though not by all), but it runs shallow among the young and inexperienced who are willing to support it.
When the young hear the survey question among other suggestions, they answer, "well, okay, we could try it".
But when I was on a jury once, and the court officers first left the room, the mostly younger people (I was one of them) kind of grinned and cringed and said "", and then I go, "Is there anyone here who's experienced in running meetings?" Because I had run a few, and I thought it was a smart question. So this business guy comes forward, and he doesn't answer me, but he starts running the jury.
The younger people who were willing to do stuff but didn't know the best way to work together, kind of breathed out and looked relieved. The point being that while many inexperienced people in the community would be willing to run the police station if they were told they were needed to by the community, they would much rather follow an experienced person than make isolated decisions on their own. Which means they believe they should stand up for democracy, but they value the opinion of the same people who are able to make practical managed endeavors operate well (most of whom don't want to defund the police). VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 05:16, 13 June 2020 (EDT)
The focus should be on parents who teach suspicion and inter-generational hatred of cops. RobSLive Free or Die 09:55, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Defunding the Police is an absolutely crazy idea even by the standards of the Radical Left. If they ever implement it, they'll be the first to regret it. Historically, once law enforcement has broken down, crooks of every kind become the new "authorities" and it's worse than anarchy. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 11:05, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Biden's speech problem

I learned this a few years back. It's called "cluttering". The malady was named as kind of a spin-off of "stuttering", I guess because of the results really are kind of similar. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 23:47, 13 June 2020 (EDT)

Do you think the DNC's Weekend at Bernie's strategy will work? His latest recruitment and fundraising ads on Youtube make his sound half coherent. RobSLive Free or Die 06:14, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Gaslighting example

"Everyone on Twitter sounds mentally ill right now. I don't mean to sound insulting (seriously), but some of your Tweets have made me wonder about your state too.

"The world is a messed up place right now. Everyone's struggling. I think we need to cut each other some slack right now."

VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 02:39, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

We had to destroy civilization in order to save it. RobSLive Free or Die 06:06, 15 June 2020 (EDT)
Lol. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:51, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

Defunding the police, part 145; we may get hold of somebody's hide

"When a majority of Minneapolis City Council members pledged to 'begin the process of ending' the police department, they underplayed the difficulties ahead,"...

Even if true, more importantly, the paper that reported their "underplaying" understated the misconduct involved in their unanimous act.

The Minneapolis City Charter explicitly requires a police force of a certain size, so their actions as reported (in earlier reports) was a stated intention to perform not just a ridiculous, but an unchartered act—an act violating the Minneapolis City Charter.

Who knows what they "actually" did anymore; the scumbag press (prior to this account) either falsely reported them resolving to commit an unchartered act, ostensibly, from our own experience, to demoralize conservatives, or a renegade city council went further and actually did. Until this is resolved, both parties, including whichever press outlet originally spread this story to keep the idea seriously in play are on the hook for a documented public fraud that doesn't deserve the respect, attention and certainly not an opinion poll in response of anyone.

Like the reason why retailers favor certain Chinese goods, there are certain individuals, not a "movement", forcing this story upon us, contrary to the public interest, imposing upon the public not just a scandal costumed as a popular movement, but one not supported by yet-known facts.

And look what transpired. Black Lives Matters Marxist-virtue-signals it in the form of a demand; The public authority wielded by the historical reputation of the City of Minneapolis [fraudulently] reflects the signal, or is reported to have, Antifa-Black Lives Matter Seattle receives the signal to set in motion the Seattle seizure of the police precinct and no-go zone.

It's not certain I have the events forestated in the paragraph above in the right chronological order—but then again, it's pretty bad that it's even possible that I do! VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 03:53, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

Bonus stupidity factor: How is the City of Minneapolis going to treat the police officers of the county it resides in? "We'll block them!" "Uh, er, it depends on the politics of the time."

I'm sure George Floyd's memory is honored by these financial engines located in Seattle dedicated to funding ActBlue, benefiting the same political party establishing the police technique complained about by party activists as especially injurious to those subject to police restraint.

And a party whose reputation needs to be rescued by the pre-evaluation of the reputations of four "white" cops prejudged under the onus of gaps in the visual record (subtracted by...whom? cui bono?), further assuring us of the prejudgers own "fairness" in the evaluation of the degree of racist sentiment of the rest of the force they ran for office in a series of elections to direct, a sentiment from which they are all the while further "benefiting" to distance themselves from evidence of their mismanagement of the very same in the recent past as reported by Ann Coulter in her weekly column and as likewise did other writers (in their own venues). VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 07:15, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

Liberal leftwing communists breaking the law. I'm shocked. Shocked! RobSLive Free or Die 12:04, 14 June 2020 (EDT)
I put out a feeler and now suspect the old Washington Pork started the fraud. I'm not afraid to name names though. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 18:52, 14 June 2020 (EDT)
You mean the Washington Compost? It was NYT and Clinton's press spokesman who began Defund the police. RobSLive Free or Die 07:03, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Evolution of marketing a liberal cause

CBS Minnesota. ‘Rotten To The Root’: Rep. Ilhan Omar Defends Support Of Dismantling Minneapolis Police

There's a lot to unpack here.

This was the first "news triptych window" in a Google search for Minneapolis, with a picture of Omar (who married her brother as some scheme dodging immigration law and was more of a perpetrator than a refugee in Somalia) filling the window, who knows the least about American institutions to begin with, and so is naturally thought most qualified by liberals like CBS to reform them. Come to think of it, her moral scolding kind of covers up the unanswered questions of her provenance as well! But I digress.

Here's a prospective timeline.

1. Minneapolis liberals take in too many Somalian refugees (including Omar) using Minneapoleans' big hearts to tolerate the foreigners displaced after, but not necessarily caused by, Bill Clinton's failed cut-and-run intervention in Somalia. (I don't know if it actually worsened a civil war that was already flaring up, and it temporarily halted, but people blame it as the start of a series of incidents that made the U.S. look like a paper tiger and emboldened the 9/11 perpetrators). They cause "black" crime.

2. Minneapolis liberals spend too much money to ingratiate themselves with the voters and depend on overpolicing of its poor residents to collect revenue, fostering hostility of them against police.

I put this in italics, because I don't know if it's true, but it could be a good lead. It happened in Baltimore, so... similar results... anyone? Well, I certainly didn't see it in the next Google news triptych square.

3. Ann Coulter did the story, but to ingratiate the Somalians with the community, they train a Somalian to work on the police force. Third-world countries don't have a responsible gun culture like the U.S.A., so out on a call of a middle-aged woman reporting a sexually-based crime she thinks she heard from her home, she approaches the squad car, kind of feeling threatened herself; he is startled, abandons the rules of engagement, and discharges his weapon through his partner's window, killing her.

He had no business being out on this call to compensate for the bad publicity the Somalians were getting, but no one would think to call this all-too-likely tragedy a racist killing. On the other hand since we know what transpired next, we can see it went from being a racially-neutral accident to a potential torpedo of the excess "white" on black killing immediately after the George Floyd shooting to another level of significance after professional rioters (not entirely successfully) hijack the situation into a national incident, threatening the narrative requiring the patching of the Washington Post's ilk....

VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 06:21, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Riot-tracers detect rioters from video camera; CBS news dept. head strangely photographs list of federal charges lodged with date of court appearances, some marked with highlighter pen? and displays them on one of her tweets, then repeats with next batch

Or maybe it's not so strange if she wants to stage a circus at their court appearances. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 04:36, 14 June 2020 (EDT)

Maybe the riots are just a plan to increase funding for coronavirus contact tracers. RobSLive Free or Die 06:10, 15 June 2020 (EDT)
This is an interesting point nobody is paying attention to. In the face of unprecedented unemployment and businesses that may never come back, Congress has appropriated funds for contact tracers (kinda like the old ACCORN voter registration armies). Now, in the midst of this start up program, Democrat governors are forbidding them from performing the function for which the the jobs were created and they are being paid. They can't ask if they attended a riot or protest.
Defund the Contact Tracers! Heck, I'd support defund the police if it resulted in a tax cut, but only if 2nd Amendments rights were guaranteed. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:58, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Conservapedia proven right - again!

Since I don't think this has already been mentioned on the right side of the main page, I think it would be important to note the Supreme Court ruling today regarding the "redefinition" of sex and sexual orientation, specifically Neil Gorsuch joining the liberal wing in favor of the homosexual agenda.[56] CP mentioned back on March 21, 2017 Gorsuch's liberal ties, and that was proven again today. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 13:36, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Never mind, it seems that Andy made a mention of it while I had been typing the previous message. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 13:41, 15 June 2020 (EDT)

Supreme Court's 6-3 vote on transgenderism

"Gorsuch and Roberts’ support for the decision has appalled numerous conservative legal observers, and vindicated voices who argued that Senate Republicans were too quick to confirm Gorsuch’s nomination without further vetting. It also raises grave concerns over the caliber of jurists being groomed and promoted by “conservative” legal institutions such as the Federalist Society ... It remains to be seen whether this ruling will have any bearing on conservative enthusiasm to turn out for Donald Trump’s reelection in November. It is widely speculated, though not confirmed, that Trump’s third Supreme Court nominee would be Judge Amy Coney Barrett, someone believed to be more reliably conservative than Gorsuch or Kavanaugh."

Gorsuch's argument that discrimination against homosexuals is actually sex discrimination strikes me as a lot of handwaving. But I think everyone has assumed that LGBT was a protected category for a long time now, law or no law. Is anyone surprised to learn that an employer can not legally fire an employee for being gay: "Jeff, you've have been a great worker for the company. But I just can't have individuals of your proclivities on my team -- not that there's anything wrong with that."
Hillary gave us "Don't ask, don't tell" in 1993 in the military, and a lot of people were comfortable with that outside the military, too. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:48, 18 June 2020 (EDT)
I heard a rumor that Mitt Romney fired Richard Grenell because Grenell's a self-declared homosexual, even though it's known to be true that Grenell also calls himself an "imperfect follower of Christ". VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 00:18, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
Here is the text of Title VII: "It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employment agency to fail or refuse to refer for employment, or otherwise to discriminate against, any individual because of his race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, or to classify or refer for employment any individual on the basis of his race, color, religion, sex, or national origin."[57] As it was passed in 1964, it seems unlikely that anyone was thinking that it might apply to gays or trannies at the time. A southern senator proposed adding the word "sex" to the bill in the hope of making trouble for northern liberals who wanted to ban racial discrimination. PeterKa (talk) 20:51, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Does this mean we're gonna get probed, for health insurance purposes? VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:06, 18 June 2020 (EDT)