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Ukraine Counter Offensive

The work of the Ukrainian Einsatzgruppen in Kharkov in the fall of 2022. [1]

From: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/06/14/ukraines-counter-offensive-is-making-mixed-progress

"Ukraine’s counter-offensive is now into its second week. Its shape is gradually becoming clearer. One long-standing axis points east, at the area around the bloodily contested town of Bakhmut and in Luhansk province. A new one aims south and south-east from Velyka Novosilka and Vuhledar in Donetsk province. And a third has opened in the south, where Ukrainian troops are battling their way south around the town of Orikhiv in Zaporizhia province, which forms the central part of the war’s long front line. They are making progress. But neither side has committed its reserves and the most important fighting may not occur for another week or so.

The thrust in Donetsk so far appears to have been the most successful. Ukraine used seven brigades near Velyka Novosilka to liberate around 60 sq km of territory within four days, says Konrad Muzyka of Rochan Consulting, a firm that tracks the war. That included a cluster of villages hugging the Mokri Yaly river, including Blahodatne, liberated on June 11th; Storozheve, where video footage showed marines walking through the village and brandishing a Ukrainian flag in the centre; and Makarivka to the south. The tiny villages of Urozhaine and Staromaiorske may be next."

I predict that, come Christmas 2023:

(1) Russia would have suffered around 330,000 losses (it's at 215,000 now), (2) The Ukrainian Counter Offensive will be largely successful, as was taking Kharkiv back last year (I said the same to my pro-Russia friends elsewhere before it happened, about that Kharkiv counter offensive, and they didn't think it would happen, and then it did) (3) Once F-16s are fully operational, to protect Ukrainian Skies, the Kremlin's campaign of terror will be over, and attacks on Ukrainian civilian facilities and other War Crimes will become effectively impossible, because F-16s add to Ukraine's already strong air defenses. (4) Though some experts are predicting otherwise, I'd say there is a good chance (70% or so) that this War ends within 1 year/Jun 2024.

Of course, no one knows the future with 100% certainty. These are educated guesses based on past occurrences and current realities. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:55, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, by Christmas, how many losses will the Ukrainians have suffered? And what do you base your estimate on? Remember, in offensives, the ones on offense tend to take more casualties. Also, watch the Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer video: "Ukraine Did Well in 2022, But..." | John Mearsheimer On Russia's Firepower Advantage, Biden's Fate. Conservative (talk) 07:02, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Cons: it was an extrapolation from past data. The War began on Feb 24, 2022. Around June 2022, if memory serves, I noticed that Russia was losing nearly 10,000 troops a month. So I posted on a forum that by Christmas (10 months into the War) 2022, they would lose roughly 100,000. Sure enough, here is what the losses were on Dec 25, 2022: https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1606962052643405824?lang=en (102,000 roughly, so quite close). Russia was forced to do increased mobilizations (which led to many Russians fleeing the country, draft dodging by breaking legs etc), and as your Prof Mearsheimer said, Ukraine on the whole did quite well in 2022. In another 6 months since then, Russia has lost a further 115,000. So I predict in another 6 months, they will lose roughly the same amount again, especially once F-16s are in play on the battlefield. With every War Crime Russia commits, Ukraine's resolve to win and NATO's resolve to support them, and eventually induct them as a full member, only grows. Last year, I said HIMARS would make a significant difference once they were supplied: "The HIMARS weapons America supplied to Ukraine may just end up making the difference. According to the below, Russian defenses against them are not working as planned." https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=27620.1785 Even a few days ago, they did: "Russians Furious After Ukraine HIMARS Strike ‘Kills 100 Troops Waiting for Commander’s Speech’", https://www.kyivpost.com/post/18292 Biden was too weak compared to how e.g. a Reagan would have been. If the weapons had gone faster, the Victory would have come faster. But better late than never. Once F-16s, and perhaps ATACMS are in, Ukraine can hardly lose. Ukraine still has a large pool of dedicated professionals, both men and women, working to defend their country. "More than 60,000 Ukrainian women serve in the Ukrainian military defending against Russia’s aggression." https://it.usembassy.gov/ukrainian-women-fight-for-their-countrys-future/

"Ukraine has "probably the best army in the world at the moment," retired Australian army major Mick Ryan said in March ...

As of 2023, Russia had an estimated 1,330,900 people listed among its total military personnel, compared with 500,000 for Ukraine, according to data published by Statista in February." https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-army-best-world-compared-russia-us-military-china-1791441 Russia cannot to squander all its 1 MN soldiers because it needs soldiers to defend its homeland and vast territory. Ukraine will fight to the last man, or last woman, because its fighting for its own homeland and territory. Ukraine is also mostly taking fewer losses.

"According to Ukraine’s General Staff, as of 14 June 2023, Russia lost 217,330 troops killed in action. As of June 2023, Ukraine has lost equipment at a rate three times lower than Russia in the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine, according to the visually confirmed losses tracker Oryx; its tank losses are even lower: one-fourth of Russia’s." https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/06/14/russia-loses-five-times-more-troops-than-ukraine-on-the-southern-front-ukraines-deputy-defense-minister/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 01:12, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Euromaidanpress is Nazi publication funded by George Soros and the CIA, that interfered in the US 2016 presidential election and American democracy, and was behind the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:57, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, pretty good. Only 7,500 dead and 50% of your armor destroyed. Look at the bright side, you didn't have enough to begin with amd your still only having 600-1,000 of your troops killed daily. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Former chief propagandist (until he got fired for telling the truth about a Ukraine air defense missile hitting an apartment complex, killing civilians) Alexei Arestovich, who is a former Lt. Col. in military intelligence, said the Russian lines need to be breached in the first 10 days. Today is Day 11. So far, NATO/Ukraine hasn't gotten within 30 km of Russian lines. All the fighting is occurring in the grey zone (any claim that Ukraine "took back" x amount of sq. km. is BS - as all the fighting is in the grey zone, i.e. no mans land between the belligerents' defense fortifications. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:26, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

BIG WHOOPS - ARESTOVICH ADMITS UKRAINE OFFENSIVE CAN'T SUCCEED WITHOUT AIR SUPERIORITY. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:16, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Editorial comment: Neither Zelensky, the civilian commander, nor Zaluzhny, the top military commander, wanted to do this offensive. They wanted to wait and accumulate more material. They knew it was suicidal if they acted now while they were still unprepared. Biden and Blinken insisted on it - for US domestic political purposes. Since the start, the US insists on results to show the American people for domestic propaganda. None of these people - on the Ukrainian side or US side - have a conscience for all the pain, suffering, and death they have caused. Zelensky could have refused to send men to their death in a hopeless cause, but he didn't. He takes his orders from Biden, Blinken, and Sullivan The Ukrainian state has lost its sovereignty. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:37, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Frm CIA Larry Johnson: Talks Ukraine - Intelligence & USA!. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:11, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Excerpted:

"The Soviet Union, during that critical period following the death of Stalin up until the rise of Leonard Brezhnev, what was it 1964-65, Khrushchev was a Ukrainian, born in Ukraine. He ran the Communist Party in Kiev. So this Union between the old Soviets and Russia and Ukraine, I mean this is nothing of this current development. We have where Ukraine is trying to pretend that it's this unique Nation complete and distinct from Russia. It's just a fantasy. It is the same kind of thing that you see within the West, where all these people declare that they're transgender. They deny biological sex. They deny the biological reality of male and female. They pretend that they're something else. Well, Ukraine is a transgender country in that sense, trying to pretend that it's something that it is not, ignoring its long-standing close ties with Russia. Ignoring the fact that Khrushchev was the one who gave Ukraine many of the benefits that it insists in claims now. "Crimea belongs to us". No it doesn't. That was Khrushchev turned that over to Ukraine back then, because he could. But in fact Crimea was long-standing part of Russia. And without understanding that part of History, you know that old saying that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. And the Ukrainians, I think what Russia is looking to do, that's where they talked about demilitarizing denazifying, is to erase or at least eliminate those in positions of power who have pushed this nonsense.

The other day Cons said something like, "The Russian speaking people of Donbas should have moved to Russia." Putin has offered citizenship and passports to the people of Donbas for many years already, and many are duel passport holders. There were more than 700,000 when the 2022 SMO incursion commenced and a million shortly thereafter. After the referendums, all 8 million Donbas residents were given Russian passports and citizenship papers. It is those passport holders now, under Zelensky's martial law decrees, who are being targeted by Ukraine's modern version of Einsatzgruppen (Special Detachments) who follow the main attacking force into villages and settlements and exterminate anyone with a Russian passport or suspected of collaboration (a collaborator is anyone who uses their iphone to give away the position of troops or storage dumps, which is being done by civilians on both sides). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:41, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

The globalist logic behind User:Cons statement, "The Russian speaking people of Donbas should have moved to Russia" to avoid the current conflict is akin to blaming the rape victim for wearing a miniskirt. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

This genocidal campaign is easy enough to see over the years, most recently when Lindsey Graham says "the Russians are dying," not "Russian troops are dying." You, the American taxpayer who is funding this genocide, failing to recognize that and make the distinction makes you complicit. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:55, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Updated casualty figures: Since the counteroffensive began, Ukraine has lost 10,000-12,000, Russia lost 1,000. (In the Fall 2022 Counteroffensive, Ukraine lost 24,000 troops to retake the Kharkov region which was occupied by the Russian federal anti-drug and anti-organized crime SWAT unit - an outfit not trained or equipped for combat against a foreign army. Because of Russia's close proximity to Afghanistan, and Russia being used a smuggling route for Afghan heroin to Western Europe for centuries, Russia has a more extensive federal "black helicopter" outfit (the Rosgvardia) than the US Drug Enforcement Agency or the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team to combat drug trafficking and organized crime across its vast open spaces. They were in Ukraine to assist the Russian Investigative Committee (something like the FBI) investigate Nazi war crimes in the liberated territories. They held off the NATO/Ukraine attack on the ground despite a lack of combat training and equipment while the Russian artillery and airforce inflicted 24,000 casualties, until the evacuation was complete.) In 2023, Ukraine only had a force of about 200,000 under arms, including reserves, remaining at the start of the counteroffensive. Russia has matched that in Ukraine, with an additional 300,000+ in Belarus and the frontline of Russia proper. The only way to save Ukraine is with NATO troops. Turkey, NATOs largest manpower contingent force, will not participate in a war against Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:57, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

CAPTURED AFU POW: "A REAL SLAUGHTER, SMELL OF CORPSES, GUTS, AND BODYPARTS EVERYWHERE". Congratulations to all you Nazi sympathizers. It isn't like nobody warned you for the past 80 years that this would happen. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:24, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

US CongressA lone US Congressman introduces resolution demanding provision of ATACMS to Ukraine [not likely to get a floor vote]

"On Friday, members of the US House Committee on Foreign Affairs representing the Democratic and Republican parties announced a resolution calling on President Joe Biden's administration to hand over ATACMS long-range missiles to Ukraine.

According to Republican Michael McCall, the co-author of the Resolution, and chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, if the United States does not provide Ukraine with all the necessary weapons, it will help prolong the war.

"The success of the Ukrainian counteroffensive is directly related to the military assistance provided by the United States and our allies. Therefore, it is extremely disappointing that the administration is delaying billions of dollars of military funding, which could be immediately transferred to Ukraine and in turn help its Armed Forces significantly change the situation on the battlefield," he said.

In the document, the decisions of the governments of the UK and France to transfer Storm Shadow and SCALP-EG long-range missiles, respectively, both with a range of 250 kilometres, are mentioned.

"The United States and its allies jointly own thousands of ATACMS missiles that could be transferred to Ukraine," the draft resolution said, stating that Russia's current dominance in long-range weapons "forces Ukrainian forces to fight at a much greater disadvantage".

If passed, the House of Representatives will call on the United States to "immediately transfer to Ukraine a sufficient number of ATACMS to accelerate Ukraine's victory in Russia's unprovoked aggressive war, while maintaining the combat readiness of the US military".

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/9/7406196/ I predict that when ATACMS are supplied, they will have even greater success than the success in 2023 (which those not supporting Ukraine like Prof. Mearsheimer acknowledged) than HIMARS etc did in 2022. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:26, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

The S-400 will do the same thing to them that the S-400 will do to F-16s, NASAMS and F-22s. Man, you like wasting money and killing people unnecessarily, do you? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:13, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

BTW, I doubt Kevin McCarthy would be stupid enough to hold a vote on such a divisive, meaningless, unpopular resolution that could only pass with all the fascist totalitarian Democrats voting in tandem with the neocon RINOs. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:03, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

This specifically here is what I'm talking about. So a GOP House member introduces a bill that will split the Republican majority, but Dems are united. Kyiv fascists are quick to write an article about it, although the GOP Speaker, McCarthy will never allow a floor vote on it. You simply don't realize those are the facts of life, but think this fascist headline is big news. Where are your analytical skills, or understanding of the American political process? But you are intent on making yourself a vehicle for globalist, neocon, and fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:43, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Thug Putin is wasting money and killing people unjustly/unnecessarily in a manifestly Unjust War, just like Nazi Thug Hitler did when he invaded Poland, with Commie Thug Joe Stalin assisting him from the East. Those who say, "If I had lived in the days of Hitler/Stalin, I swear on my life I would have done everything possible to assist their Poor Victims" have a chance to prove it now. That's what we who support Ukraine's Righteous Self-Defense are doing. Russia is there to kill, maim, rape, annex and steal territory by usurping it illegally or illicitly, and the only reason it hasn't done much, much more damage is because of Western Weapons. Western Weapons save Ukrainian Lives, which is why there is 90+% support for it. Putin is the Aggressor here and needs to leave. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine. If Putin stops fighting, there will be no War. It is a very small portion of the defense budget. Russia also has elections in 2024, and someone other than Putin winning that election could also help end the War. Till then, the fight goes on. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:32, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

bla bla bla - fascist neocon talking points. You could be replaced with a robot, and your globalist masters probably intend to do that eventually. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:07, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Rather, they are Democracy/Anti-Communist/Anti-Fascist "talking points". We will defeat the globalists, and you're not helping. Putin is a Dictator; supporting him is morally wrong just like supporting Stalin or Mao. He wants to impose his will both within his country and outside. I support leaders who are decent and moral and who stand for freedom against communism/globalism and other tyrannical ideologies. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 09:37, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You need education. The neocon globalists started the war. The neocon globalists support the think tanks that write the talking points that the neocon globalist controlled media spew in propaganda that you echo, for the neocon globalist military industrial complex whose lobbyists donate to politicians who push the same neocon globalist fascist spending and propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:05, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Putin started the War, after denying he was even going to invade in the first place, mocking it as Western Hysteria, thus knowingly lying. "Russian officials said no invasion of Ukraine was underway and none was planned." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-17/russia-tells-u-s-no-ukraine-invasion-planned-tass-says#xj4y7vzkg February 17,2022. Yeah, we all know how that worked out 7 days later.

Putin caused some 10 MN people to suffer, get that through your skull. There is no way his invasion is justified. Whether you choose to see the Truth or not is up to you. I for one will not stop opposing Putin, because it's the Christian/morally right thing to do.

"Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean; Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes. Cease to do evil, Learn to do good; Seek justice, Rebuke the oppressor; Defend the fatherless, Plead for the widow." (Isaiah 1:16-17) Putin also wants to steal Ukraine's territory: "Thou shalt not covet" what is your neighbors", and "Thou shalt not steal", Putin fails both commandments as he does also, "Love your neighbor" in the most literal way. Ukraine is his neighbor and he not fails to lvoe them, he hates them and tries to kill them. The verse that applies to Putin is from St. John's First Epistle: "Whoever hates his brother/neighbor is a Murderer, and you know that no Murderer has Eternal Life abiding in him". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 13:52, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Invoking God's name to push lies. Hmmm, let's see here now.... RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:51, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms…And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis…There are no other options…The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West…The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain…Direct intervention by NATO’s European armies will not change the outcome…But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe…It looks like the US is ready for that too”. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:37, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

This whole resolution is just cover for the Nazisymps when public support for Ukraine collapses and NATO is defeated. Then a Congressman can say, "My bill would have prevented the devastating loss of American power and prestige with its defeat in Ukraine, but it didn't get a floor vote." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:55, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I'm going to harp on this thread for a while, because it shows the extraordinary bad judgement and political skills of some conservatives and Republicans.

Just as in the recent vote to expel Adam Schiff from Congress, where 20 Nazisymps and warmongers sided with Democrats, why would a Speaker hold a floor vote that divides his own party - that elected him Speaker - and hand a victory to the Democrats? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:30, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Reporter Johnny Miller shows how Mariupol has come back to life

[5] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:07, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Schrodinger's Offensive

Good read for up to the minute summary without a lot of military technical analysis. [6] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:10, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

There can be no denazification without the de-Americanization of Ukraine. No denazification is possible in that part of Ukraine that will remain under US rule. It was for the sake of growing Nazism that the United States came to Ukraine. Money is not their main goal. They will pay any price for the destruction of Russia. - Elena Panini Institute of Russia Strategic Studies. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:22, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

The farce that the Ukraine war has become was fairly obvious last January when Germany was refusing to send its Leopard 2 tanks for a Ukrainian spring offensive. Then Germany announced it would only send its tanks alongside American M1 Abrams. Then the Biden regime announced it was sending its Abrams M1s. Then Germany announced it would send its Leopards. The next day Biden announced the M1 Abrams wouldn't be ready until January 2024.

What's this all mean? It means both German and American military analysts knew their tanks would get slaughtered against Russian defenses. It means defense contractors are the ultimate winners for replacement equipment contracts and upgrades. It means Germany has no sovereignty, which is the same path Ukraine is following. And it means the NATO alliance may not survive very long come next January, 2024. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:51, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Another reason why Vladimir Putin's decision to launch a special operation in February of 2022 will hurt Russia's future

Reuters, an authoritive news source, reported LARPers with paintball guns repelled a Russian attack near Kharkov. [2]

Both Ukraine/Russia have poor leadership/populations that are unlikely to develop thriving societies that will greatly have both peace and prosperity in the future.

Russia faces shrinking middle class, rising inequality, study finds":

"Russia's middle class will shrink as social inequality grows over coming years, an economic study conducted by Russian experts suggested, as sanctions against Moscow and limited growth potential scupper development prospects...

Russia's economy proved unexpectedly resilient in the face of tough Western sanctions last year, but a return to pre-conflict levels of prosperity may be far off as more government spending is directed towards the military.

The study's most optimistic scenario sees real incomes exceeding 2021 levels by around 2% in 2030 and poverty dropping below 10% from 11.8% in 2022. In that scenario, the size of the middle class would still drop to 14%-31% by 2030 from current estimates of 20%-50%." Conservative (talk) 14:01, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Wow. Reuters is not only in the business of reporting fake news, now they forecast the future: "Russia's middle class will shrink". I'll stick with Miss. Chloe for now; she has a better track record. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:08, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Secondly, please stop lying to my face: "I don't follow the news anymore, etc etc etc." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:09, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Russia's decision to do a war economy or a guns and butter economy has economic consequences for Russia.

As far as a guns and butter economic curve (military vs. non-military] spending) spending on the military faces opportunity cost. For example, in this example: "To increase the production of guns kom 20 to 30 and kom 40 to 50 means that society is giving up 5 pounds of butter each time. So to get 10 guns means giving up 5 pounds of butter. So the per unit opportunity cost of increasing the production of guns is F2 pound of butter. That is, if 10 guns=51bs of butter; then, 1gun=1/2 lb of butter." Conservative (talk) 14:25, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I think we pretty well proved:

(a) you don't know what you're talking about;

(b) your sources stink.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:31, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Reuters cites "Russian experts". Anyways, anyone who knows about the guns and butter curve and opportunity cost as far Macroconomics 101 knows that the Russian experts are not saying anything unreasonable. There is no free lunch in economics. Conservative (talk) 14:34, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

What the heck's a "Russian expert", somebody bribed by or on the CIA payroll? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:37, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You know, we have these three articles, Psychological warfare, Psyops, and fake news, which I thought you even contributed to, but have evidently never bothered to read or understand. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:39, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You are engaging in bulverism/genetic fallacy. Also, you never demonstrated those Russian experts and/or Reuters were bribed by the CIA.

Reuters report on Kharkiv, June 8, 2022 (left); enlarged section from Reuters report showing Kharkiv civilian with swastika tattoo (right). [7][8]

More importantly, the guns and butter curve in macroeconomics and opportunity costs are not something that the Russians/Putin or any government can avoid. Conservative (talk) 14:44, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I demonstrated you main source - Reuters - has a Russophobic bias and does sloppy research. Reuters further denies Putin's claim of Ukrainie's Nazi problem. Your source stinks. It not only stinks, it's a bunch of Nazi apologists. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:06, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Can Russia get an economic free lunch or will its economy suffer due to the guns vs. butter curve and opportunity costs? There is never a free lunch in economics and to believe otherwise is totally irrational. Conservative (talk) 15:14, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You just don't when to stop. After using nazi propaganda to insult all of us, you continue. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:16, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You need to prove you have purged all the nazi propaganda you have absorbed into your brain about Vladimir Putin and Russia over the past 16 months before you are qualified to discuss or debate this subject. Till then, you are just spewing Russophobic Nazi hate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:20, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Given that I took a Russian homeless lady into my residence and that I have a Russian music collection and a Russian Christian music collection at this website, your unproven claim that I am Russophobic is going to be very hard to prove. But you can certainly try - albeit unsuccessfully. Also, ad hominem arguments are illegitimate arguments and illogical.

And don't think I didn't notice that you tried to sidestep my guns/butter and opportunity cost strong argument because I definitely did notice. Conservative (talk) 15:52, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Here's your buddies. Here's what Putin thinks of your buddies. Until you can address the specifics in those two videos, we don't have much more to talk about. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:15, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Even Mark Felton, the historian and producer of the first 8 min clip, has now officially flipped since February 2022 when he put out propaganda rebuking Putin, claiming the Nazis of Ukraine today have no connection to the Nazis of WWII. Everyone at that time thought the war would be over in six weeks. The NATO nazis, Biden and BoJo, kept it going because their stated intention is identical to Adolf Hitler's, - to destroy Russia.RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:34, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Update: The History behind the Regional Conflict in Ukraine, by John-Paul Himka. Note: Himka is the brother-in-law married to the sister of Canadian neo-Nazi and deputy prime minister Chrystia Freeland, the granddaughters a Nazi resettled in Canada, as the Mark Felton video linked above discusses. These nazi offspring (like Alexander Vindman, Alexandra Chalupa, Freeland, etc) have risen to positions of power and trust in NATO and the West, with the same Nazi ideology and obsession toward the Hitlerian dream of destroying Russia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:22, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I see that you are still trying to sidestep my very strong guns and butter and opportunity cost argument. As "The Donald" would say, "Sad!". Conservative (talk) 16:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Because you don't know or understand jack about these issues.

The terms "Nazisymp" and "Nazi apologist" will now have a ring and stick to Putin critics and Russophobes who have fostered this slaughter in Ukraine for the past 15 months, now that it is a foregone conclusion that Ukraine, NATO, and the United States have lost, and will lose. Sure, if Mearsheimer's prediction comes true that Russia will nuke America first before it loses is somewhat remote, it still guarantees an American (and NATO) defeat.

All the people who have not removed their blue and yellow emojis, and continue baseless, relentless attacks on Vladimir Putin and Russia, will forever be tarred as Nazis. Until you show an inkling of understanding of that fact, we have little to discuss or debate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:58, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks to my Polish-American macroeconomics professor I certainly understand the guns and butter curve and the opportunity cost economics concepts. I also know there is never a free lunch in economics. Long live capitalism! Conservative (talk) 17:02, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Why do you continue to aid Nazis? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:05, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Non sequitur argument. You dogged attempts to avoid basic economics 101 is rather humorous. Conservative (talk) 17:13, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You guns and butter argument, as proven above, is based on the nazi propaganda you have allowed to infiltrate your brain. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:12, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

You don't have to take my word for it (as you never do); there's enough of your documented support for Nazism in your own words over the past 15 months in Conservapedia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:16, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Russia, Ukraine, and the Future World Order, Published online by Cambridge University Press: 27 October 2022

Russia's invasion of Ukraine, initiated on February 24, 2022, is among the most—if not the most—significant shocks to the global order since World War II.

I have contributed over 35 items to Conservapedia proven right since 2017, mostly on Russiagate, Coronavirus, and the NATO war in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:19, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Godwin's law strikes again! Conservative (talk) 17:20, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I've asked a thousand times to just shut up when you begin veering off into Nazism, but you just ignore it. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:27, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

I posted a reply to the above quote given your screen capture, here: Essay: Was April 2022 a pivotal point in geopolitics that will affect geopolitics for 30 years or was it a failed prediction concerning the war in Ukraine?

Also, please give us your prediction on when the war in Ukraine will end and its mostly likely outcome. Conservative (talk) 16:40, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

I predict NATO is going to get its butt handed to it, if it persists in prosecuting the war. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:43, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

It's virtually impossible to predict because of the erratic nature of Western leadership, and instability of those regimes. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:46, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs

I hope you understand who Prof. Jefferey Sachs is before you start spanning his name all over MPR. it is a welcome relief however from all the Nazi agitprop you spam on this page and in other CP mainspace articles and Essays. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:41, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I don't agree with all of Sachs' views. But since he is friendly with the various people left of center, he could contact them and get their frank views on American relations with Russia - namely on how they were unwilling to have a more peaceable and less provocative relations with Russia. Someone like Mearsheimer who is somewhat more to the right, they would never talk to. American foreign policy makers have never asked Mearsheimer his views - even though he is a self-described liberal. But if you don't want Sachs spilling the beans, that is fine. After all, you are firmly committed to the genetic fallacy. Conservative (talk) 15:57, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I restored the edit, but labeled Sachs as being politically left of center. Conservative (talk) 16:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Now you are attempting to discredit and slander your own source, confusing our readers.

You have had 15 months to discuss Prof. Sachs with me, instead you have focused on nazi agitprop. I have never posted Sachs name on MPR in that time. That should have given you a clue. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:19, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Sachs is politically left of center. But not 100% of what someone who is overall left/liberal-leaning says is always untrue. That is why logicians have the genetic fallacy. In a similar vein, defense lawyers sometimes call hostile witnesses.

You quote Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer on main page right. And you know Mearsheimer is a self-described liberal. You are being inconsistent. You can cite liberals/leftists on main page right, but you whine when I do. Once again, you are being unreasonable.

Lastly, I don't take my lead from Putin/Russia cheerleaders and I never will. Conservative (talk) 16:39, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Look, for 15 months i said you do not have clue what you are talking about vis-a-vis geopolitics and the War in Ukraine that the United States started. And your discovering of Prof. Sachs only now proves that. Leave it at that, rather than another of your lengthy wronghheaded arguments it takes 15 months for you to figure out that you were wrong.

Just begin listening to Sachs when he speaks, knowing he's a climate change activist advisor to the UN General Secretary, and that once nazism is defeated in NATO & Ukraine, we'll have differences with Sachs (albeit with some respect and appreciation for the man). Leave it at that. Don't argue with me using boneheaded arguments you know will fail in the end. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:48, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! I don't follow the news. I have better things to do with my life to advance my skills and contribute to humanity.

I know he is left of center. And I am not mistaken, and I don't think I am, Andy Schlafly has quoted liberals/leftists when they agree with him and say something that is correct. Read up on the genetic fallacy - even though you often like having illogical and inconsistent views and often try to screen out legitimate information you don't like merely because you disagree with it. Conservative (talk) 16:55, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

BFD. Focus on the nazis in the Biden & Zelensky admins and NATO. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:00, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Regards Andy, CP official editorial position is to support Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. for the Democratic party presidential nomination in 2024. Given the level of censorship and demonization of RFK, we are attempting to place at least one story about RFK daily in MPR headlines to help him, and keep the focus on him. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:07, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

You're a day late and a dollar short again, anyway. I already posted the Neutrality Studies link with Jeffrey Sachs to MPR days ago and the Mearsheimer link I posted to your usertalk for comment and discussion days ago which you reverted and deleted, again rudely stating it was unwelcome.

These BS arguments with you get tiring when you absolutely refuse to listen to other people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:00, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I politely told you before your political post to my talk page which was deleted that I didn't want any further political posts of yours to my talk page. So I was not the one being rude. In 2023, I intend to change my various priorities/interests. Conservative (talk) 22:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

On more point: Your "generic fallacy" arguments you learned from David Girard and others who repeatedly tore your arguments apart for years gets especially old and tiring, since you obviously don't understand jack about logic, either. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:32, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

guns and butter

A Russian lawmaker makes the same prediction about economic doom for the US after 2030 that Cons makes, based on the same premise of an exploding national debt. Albeit, he doesn't foresee Cons same prophesy of the US remaining the world's "leading power for the foreseeable future."

“Previously, 70% of international trade was serviced by the dollar, now it is 60%...Can you imagine, 10% in just a short period of time – this is significant...Naturally, this process will continue, because the US undermines partners trust with their actions...So, of course, not in one or two years, but in ten years, America as a great financial power will cease to exist...The US can one of these days let everyone down, because effectively it cannot pay its debts...The gross domestic product it produces is less than the debts it accumulates and whatever the country earns will not be enough to pay its debts...Meanwhile, the US keeps borrowing all over the world and pays out by building up domestic debt...So eventually, there will come a time when there will be so much debt that it will become impossible to fulfill obligations...And then the US economy will collapse”. [9]

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:33, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

The disastrous 2022 Lend Lease Ukraine aid package of $116 billion is a classic guns and butter illustration. We're out of guns now, and have no ability to produce more - at least on a scale to compete with Russia, let alone Russian and China combined. That's what your nazi leadership has done for you and to your country since Biden seized power. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:43, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

For various reasons such as its aging baby boomer population, its national debt and other reasons, I suspect America's future troop deployments will decline in future years (See: Who will Dominate the Geopolitical System in this Decade?). As can be seen in the chart above, it is down from the Vietnam War era.

During World War II, federal debt peaked at 106 percent of gross domestic product in 1946.[10] It was not until the early 21st century that the US finally paid off its debt from World War II.[11]

Today, the USA's national debt to GDP ratio is 116.1%.[12]

It will take decades for Americans to pay off the national debt if this happens. And it will require Americans retiring later, defense budget cuts, a merit-based legal immigration system (Winning sports teams bring in the best players), and pro-growth economic policies. The failed presidency of Jimmy Carter was followed by 12 years of Republican rule. I am hoping that Joe Biden's failed presidency leads to a similar string of Republican victories. But time will tell. American economic growth will go a long way to help pay back America's national debt and today's left-leaning Democrats are a drag on the USA economy.

The main reason I believe that the USA will be the preeminent power in the 21st century is other countries have even bigger problems than the USA (See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]). In addition, innovation and technology will be very important in the 21st century and the USA has a population that has a strong track record of innovation.

Hopefully, a USA economic depression and political polarization will not cause the United States to break up in the 21st century. Conservative (talk) 21:43, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

So what is it? the US is breaking up, or the bloated, stale US defense budget will keep America the "leading power for the foreseeable future" by force and intimidation despite the fact that China graduates 1 million more scientists and engineers annually with a growing economy? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:41, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, and we've even avoided a discussion on the uselessness of America's expensive Wunderwaffen in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:43, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

China is going to face MAJOR problems in the 21st century (See: Skepticism about China remaining a global power). Conservative (talk) 23:13, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

The above chart was supplied by User: Conservative. Conservative (talk) 22:58, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

What's the defense budget now? Was it diminished in accordance with these diminishing deployments? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:00, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Watch the video cited below the graph. Conservative (talk) 23:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Nah, I have more important things to attend to other than following sources from someone without discernment to recognize Nazi propaganda. Pr. 14:7. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:11, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Digression on the National Debt:

Cons: "It will take decades for Americans to pay off the national debt"

You are giving away too much. The national debt can never be "paid off" under the current structure. Every dollar from workers' paychecks in Social Security withholding is ADDED to the national debt. The national debt cannot be "paid off" by working, since it is American workers who drive the increase in national debt.

Again, you are giving away too much about your lack of understanding of some of these basic issues. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:49, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

If you actually ever read Milton Friedman, you would know that. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:53, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

The more number of Americans employed, the longer hours they work, the more overtime they put in, automatically fuels the increase in the national debt because of the Social Security withholding tax. It is the single largest driving force behind an ever increasing national debt. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:58, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Why did Putin call the dissolution of the Soviet Union the biggest tragedy of the 20th Century? because the Soviet Union reneged on its promises to workers to pay them Social Security benefits in their old age. The Russian federation held to those promises, but Ukraine and the Baltic States have denied Russian speakers their justly owed pensions that they worked for.

So when you bellyache about "paying off" the national debt, what are you proposing? Ending the Social Security tax? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:05, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

There are no solutions, only tradeoffs, like throwing grandma from cliff, as you evidently propose when talking about "paying off the national debt". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:06, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

My advice, again, just shut up when talking about things you have no understanding of. It's just a waste of time for both of us, since you ardently refuse to listen to others. Just concentrate on improving your own personal skills. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

I wrote above some major changes that the USA would have to make to significantly pay down the debt. I have nothing further to say about this matter. Conservative (talk) 23:09, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! I can't hear you! I'm not listening! RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:12, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Putin vs. Wagner

What to make of the reports that Prighozin is attempting a coup?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:35, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It appears to be a hostile takeover of Wagner by the MOD. Prigozhin likely to be arrested. Developing. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:56, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

A successful, private armed force in a society without Second Amendment protections obviously represents a threat to the regime. That was obvious in the final days of the Battle of Bakhmut, when the MOD cut back ammo deliveries to Wagner and Prigozhin went on his rants, naming Gerasimov and Shoigu by name, blaming them for the deaths of Wagner fighters. That was about 3 weeks ago.

In response, the MOD made the decision to incorporate Wagner into the armed forces of the Russian federation, by having all members sign contracts directly with the MOD. Prigozhin has publicly resisted.

Several conspiracy theories are already afoot; according to Prigozhin himself, he was in direct contact with the Zelensky regime during the Battle of Bakhmut. If the CIA or Pentagon can send him a text message, they possibly could have offered him a deal like they did Sadam's generals, you know, a million dollars, a home in Fort Lauderdale, his kids tuition at the University of Florida paid for etc etc. Call this the AFU/SBU/CIA plot, or "blame America". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:10, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Another is the MOD set him up to look like a traitor when he began resisting and accusing the MOD (or Russian military industrial complex) of all sorts of corruption with the oligarchs, which sounds plausible to many Russians. Call this the "blame Russia."

From a political perspective, Prigozhin belongs to a very large domestic public opinion faction that just wants to take the gloves off and wipe Ukraine from the map. Putin and other Russian deep staters however have a wider geopolitical strategy - to draw NATO into an endless war of attrition that NATO cannot win. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:21, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It shows the disunity in their ranks. It would also be great ingratitude on the part of the Kremlin, given Prighozin and Wagner fought for them. All these are marks of a lack of Truth and Righteousness. Sad to see. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:13, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

It's what can be expected in any society without a 2nd Amendment. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:29, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

The title of this thread should be Shoigu vs Wagner. We don't know where Putin stands. Last reports are Prigozhin is on the run and the federal prosecutor's office is looking into his actions. Putin probably won't protect him. Botomline is, as head of the Wagner organization, he's out. But the MOD has some concern about a few hangers-on loyal to him. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:44, June 23, 2023 (EDT) They can't kill Prigozhin - he's a national hero after the Battle of Bakhmut. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:20, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

So, what will it be? Will Prigozhin be arrested and stand trial for treason? or die in battle. My guess is he's likely to die in battle. public opinion appears to be against him. Putin walks away stronger than just his 82% approval. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:34, June 24, 2023 (EDT) Alternatively, he could end up in psyche ward suffering from PTSD. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:52, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Update: It's looking more and more like the MOD set up Prigozhin. This morning, Dima of the Military Summary reported the deployment of 1,500 Spetznaz to Rostov [13]; CD Media now reports Prigozhin and a handful of loyalists fled to Rostov (where evidently they don't know Spetznaz is waiting for them). [14] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:23, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Of course, Western media is having a field day with this. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

So, while many brainwashed Western idiots are cheering for the overthrow of Putin, that apparently would not bode well for Ukraine. And who says Russia has a controlled media or censors free speech? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:10, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

A reminder for those of you who may not know or forgot what Spetznaz is. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:29, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Who is Shoigu? Shoigu was appointed by President Yeltsin at the founding of the Russian Federation in 1991 as head of the Russian Ministry for Emergency Situations (kinda like FEMA) with a 20,000 strong armed Civil Defense force, at a time Putin was an unemployed ex-KGB foreign officer looking for work in St. Petersburg in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. It would be another 10 years before Putin entered federal service. Judging by the name, it should be fairly obvious Shoigu is not an ethnic Russian name, but rather likely some Uraltic or Altaic tribal ancestry, my guess. He's probably more closely related to the Finns or Japanese, or maybe even Mongolian than he is directly to Russians.

Prigozhin I would guess is more likely closer to being of Armenian descent.

Diversity is Russia's strength. Russia is a few centuries ahead of America, in learning how to get a diverse mixture of people groups, tribes, languages, religions living on one continent under one government with a common language, system of law and governance, shared culture and history without killing each other (at least until Western psychos like Victoria Nuland or Adolf Hitler start having big plans). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:24, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Another theory: it's a psyop to give Putin the excuse to declare martial law and total mobilization of an army of 5 million. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:13, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Why does it look like a psyop? Cause they need to get paid sooner or later. Sure, Wagnerians get paid better than regulars, and they have enough cash to keep afloat for awhile, but after a few weeks of R&R in Rostov away from the HIMARS, they'll be ready to get back to work on August 5, as planned. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 04:14, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

(In the meantime, eat up and drink up as much Western propaganda BS to your fill, and after August 5, maybe consider, "What an idiot I am for listening to that crap and believing it.") RobS^{Give Peace a chance}

"The Lord has said, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” (Matthew 12:25). A great lesson to be learned in life is to live in harmony with others. Where there is disharmony, unhappiness and tragedy result." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 08:14, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Are you referring to the J6 protests? or the 2020 Leftwing insurrection? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:21, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Yep. Looks like a psyop. [15] RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:49, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Putin's speech to the nation is interesting, in that, citizens know what he's talking about - unlike Americans who wouldn't have clue with historical references. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:28, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Americans are incredibly naive about these sorts of things. For example, the Ukrainian Pravy Sektor is not an official Ukrainian government armed force, but fights alongside the AFU, coordinates with the AFU command structure, receives US funding through the government, and has made it clear that it has political objectives different from the Ukrainian government (Pravy Sektor is the paramilitary force of several recognized parties in parliament). It does not want to be part of the EU or NATO. So in the far-fetched prospect that the government of Ukraine could ever emerge victorious in this war, it would face an armed standoff with one of its allied fighting forces. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:22, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Breaking: Prigozhin to pay $600,000 compensation to family of pilot accidentally killed in mutiny. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:48, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

The issue

The issue is basically the conduct of the war. Putin and the boys in the Kremlin are fighting NATO and the collective west; but as in all large populations, you have idiots who think it's just a war between Russia and Ukraine (we have our own idiots in the United States who believe the same thing). So Putin and the boys have a go-slow strategy, so as not to commit all forces and end the war quickly, holding in reserve their capabilities to fight NATO.

Prigozhin, who is not really a military person, is a political person - and an idiot at that. He's trying to harness the public opinion of the hardliners who want to smash Ukraine to bits. Putin has to remind the country that they are not fighting just the Zelensky regime. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:11, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Patrick Lancaster is on the ground. We are waiting for his report.... RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:37, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Some Tweets on Prighozin: "Interesting. In his latest audio message, Prigozhin casually says “When we worked in Africa and Ukraine, when we messed up in America, they were fine with us paying cash…”. I wonder what he means by “messing up in America” & whom he paid cash there. #RussianCoup" https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1672585952919793667

Comment: I think it is supposed to be "messing up America", not messing up in America. Remains to be seen. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 10:57, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

US v. Concord Management. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:35, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Russian nuclear doctrine

At this moment there is one fact about Russian nuclear doctrine that US media has kept hidden from the American public since the Cuban Missile Crisis and before. American media and propaganda has always maintained the fiction that Russia's nuclear doctrine parallels American nuclear doctrine, i.e., that only the Commander-in-Chief can order a nuclear strike. That was never the case in the Soviet Union, and is not the case in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Putin is not the man with his finger on the button.

The local battlefield commander who is given a tactical nuclear weapon has sole discretion to use it if he feels an imminent threat to the lives and wellbeing of himself and his troops, or their imminent defeat on the battlefield. This is why it is impossible to defeat Russia on the battlefield. It is no secret that Russians have deployed nuclear weapons to Belarus in recent weeks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:03, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

4000 Russian Artillery Systems Destroyed

"We know you are all preoccupied with watching updates from russia. However, let’s not forget that there is some good news from Ukraine today as well." https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1672633603891646464/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1672633603891646464 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:09, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine Counter Offensive making Progress: "Ukraine’s сounter-offensive is progressing, Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville said Friday, citing a briefing to European army chiefs from Ukrainian army Chief of Staff Ihor Palagnyuk.

“His message was they're making progress," McConville said. “They're confident in their training, they’re confident in their soldiers, and they're confident in the progress they're making." https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023/06/ukraine-counter-offensive-making-progress-us-army-chief-says/387865/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:11, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Even if true (it isn't), it wouldn't make a difference. The issue would be who can replace destroyed units faster. And we all know NATO/Ukraine does not have the artillery pieces, ammunition, nor airforce to do anything.

Sure, you can say 4,000 Soviet artillery pieces were destroyed when you count Ukraine.

The problem here is, the propaganda BS you post doesn't pass the smell test. If NATO/Ukraine could inflict such daamage, how come Ukrainian casualties and deaths on the battlefield are mounting? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:38, June 24, 2023 (EDT)

Digression on regulatory capture

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. explains "regulatory capture", i.e. when a private sector industry "captures" a government regulatory agency that is intended to regulate that industry.

Big Pharma, for example has "captured" the Food and Drug Administration that then gives rubber stamp approval to new drugs for Big Pharma profit, and not for the health and safety of the American people.

Big Tech regulatory capture of the FCC, which then grants immunity to broadcasters and IT hosting facilities while driving their competitors out of business (also known as crony capitalism).

The military industrial complex has captured the CIA, which then makes "threat assessment" recommendations to Congress for defense contractor appropriations and spending. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:58, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Putin and Prighozin are both Thugs. I support neither. I support Ukraine's Self-Defense, and believe they will ultimately win. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:31, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Well I can play that stupid game too and say Biden, Austin and Milley are Thugs. You need some Drano or whatever it takes to clean out all the BS propaganda you've filled your head with over the past 16 months or since the 2014 Maidan coup. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:51, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

A word on propaganda

Western propaganda now would have us believe that the guy whose organization, the Wagner group, that just killed 40,000 Ukrainian troops in the Bakhmut meatgrinder, a guy viewed in Russia as a war hero, a guy who served on the front line and trash talked the Russian military industrial complex for NOT supplying him with enough weapons to kill Ukrainians fast enough to maintain a 10:1 kill ratio, now in the past 72 hours has become an anti-Putin peacenik. A guy Putin spared and exiled who could have been shot for treason. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:12, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

"In the end, the Wagner mutiny lasted less than 24 hours. But the toxic cocktail of jealousy, rivalry and ambition that gave rise to it has been months, if not years, in the making.

The main characters of this drama were Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder and leader of the Wagner paramilitary group, and the heads of Russia's enormous military - Sergei Shoigu and Valery Gerasimov.

Prigozhin - a former criminal who was associated with organised crime in the 1980s and for which he spent several years in prison - is a creation of the Kremlin who owes his enormous wealth to President Vladimir Putin.

Since he formed the Wagner mercenary group in 2014, he has become a key tool of Mr Putin's desire to reimpose Russian influence across the globe. From the shadows, his forces - made up of hardened former Russian special forces - have propped up Mr Putin's ally Bashar Al-Assad in Syria and helped roll back and replace French influence in Mali.

Until last year Prigozhin consistently denied mounting evidence that he controlled the group, launching lawsuits in British courts against Bellingcat journalist Elliot Higgins who accused him of running the private militia." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66013532 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Congrats. You posted mostly true information. Let's dig deeper: "a former criminal who was associated with organised crime in the 1980s and for which he spent several years in prison", i.e. a Soviet gulag; do you maintain that Prigozhin and Putin want to bring back communism and the Soviet Union? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:39, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Bellingcat is a Western intelligence front. We can address more of that later (I'll get Jimmy Dore's link).

Prigozhin is probably not the "founder" of Wagner, but he is its CEO now. Dmitry Utkin is usually cited as the founder by knowledgeable sources. In recent days, Utkin has been referred to as Prigozhin's deputy, the guy Prigozhin sent to lead the column to Moscow. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:44, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

More on propaganda

Let's pick apart the BBC wording used here: "a former criminal who was associated with organised crime in the 1980s and for which he spent several years in prison".

What is the implication? That the Soviet communist regime upheld justice and protected the people from criminals? or that Prigozhin was convicted of capitalist profiteering and/or not sharing a split of the profits from criminal activity with the corrupt KGB?

How do we know that Prigozhin wasn't a political prisoner of the communist regime, and calling him a "criminal" now isn't just leftwing media bias (i.e. communist propaganda) by the BBC? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:09, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

So the big question here is, Why does the BBC defend or promote Soviet communism? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:15, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Over half a century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of older people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.’

Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: ‘Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.’" https://www.templetonprize.org/laureate-sub/solzhenitsyn-acceptance-speech/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:23, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I don't understand the main thrust of your argument. Are you saying the Russian people were better off under Communism than under thugs and criminals like Putin and Prigozhin? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:25, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

I mean, at least the communist government locked up people like Prigozhin, according to your BBC source. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:30, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, I'm saying (1) Communism/Stalinism was one of the Greatest Scourges ever to afflict Humanity (2) Any regression back to that Communist/Soviet Era must be seen as deeply concerning. Russians should read the Bible more, attend Church more, and practice keeping the Commandments of God, especially that of Love your neighbor as yourself, and Do to others as you would have them do unto you, to grow in Faith and Holiness. See this: "Across all three waves of ISSP data, no more than about one-in-ten Russians said they attend religious services at least once a month. The share of regular attenders (monthly or more often) was 2% in 1991, 9% in 1998 and 7% in 2008." (Pew Research). There have been some positive trends, of a return to Christianity from Communism, but much more is needed; Church Attendance remains low, Putin and some Kremlinistas continue to sell something called "Christian Communism", not realizing there is no such thing; that Communism was one of the greatest enemies Christendom ever had; that Mass Murdering Thug Stalin is not worthy of Hero-Veneration etc. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:46, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Wagner chief 'humiliated' Putin, Ukraine says Ukrainian presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said the Wagner mercenary group had "almost nullified" Russian President Vladimir Putin. Wagner fighters are said to have left Rostov-on-Don." https://www.dw.com/en/wagner-chief-humiliated-putin-ukraine-says/a-66022584 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:59, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

Podolyak is a Nazi. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:21, June 25, 2023 (EDT)

More on Solzhenitsyn

After reading the revelations of Solzhenitsyn in the 1970s, the problems it presented to understanding and teaching about the World War affected everyone in the East and the West. I was only a student, but it affected even more the people who lived through the events, and provided great eyeopeners, that their understanding of events during the war, and next 30 years after, were based on lies. My Slovak speaking grandmother who lived through two world wars and could understand much Russian, helped me.

One problem was the equation of "Russia" and "Russian" with "communism" in the Angelo-American world, making the terms synonymous. Solzhenitsyn taught us that Russia and Russians were not communist. The Nobel Prize in Literature put an official stamp of approval from the West on that basic premise. But you can't undo 30 years of fake news and propaganda in popular culture overnight, if ever.

The term "Soviet" means "workers council", and was always somewhat abused to mean all sorts of other things. I recall a conversation with a teaching assistant on this subject who understood the problem. And I asked, "so what do we do if we can't use the term 'Russian' anymore to denote Soviet Communism, because of popular prejudices in the public imagination? Russians aren't communist. it's quite the opposite. They are victims of communism.' We concluded that the term 'Soviet' should henceforth be applied to all people, individuals - communist and non-communist, as well as national groups, living under the Soviet system. 'Let's call them "Soviets", not "Russians". This was a fundamental change in idiom and meaning of the term "Soviet" from the mid-1970s onward. 'A Soviet' sounded awkward at first when speaking about an individual, cause the term literally means "workers council", denoting a collective. But the new idea and meaning caught on. I'm not saying me and the TA invented the new meaning, but we understood the new direction American media, the educational system, and propaganda sources would have to take. Fortunately, we were correct in our assessments, and others in the academic world and media likewise must have been having the same conversations at the same time.

Soviet Communism attempted to destroy Russian national identity, which strongly identifies with the Russian Orthodox Church. And they were largely successful in the efforts - up until Solzhenitsyn brought their crimes to the attention to the global public. Unfortunately, Russophobic bigots in government and media are trying to resurrect the old hatreds and prejudices today, which even many conservatives has signed on to. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:14, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Kat Timpf on Gutfeld articulated a similar problem today. How are historians 50 or 100 hundred years from now going to explain the Trump presidency, two impeachments, the Russia collusion hoax, FBI investigations etc, and the fact that all media sources and their reporting from the last 8 years have discredited themselves and are unreliable as historical sources - when the complete cavalcade originated with a bogus pee tape? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 02:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

And we see a another, similar problem in China: Sinophobic bigots try to blame all of America's problems on "China", rather than making a distinction between "China" and "CCP". The Chinese Communists are the problem, and the Chinese people are their biggest victims. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:55, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

The Russians themselves in modern Russia have adapted the same idiomatic change in meaning; they refer to a "Soviet person" as a person who grew up and lived in the Soviet climate. A "Soviet person" is not necessarily or even likely to be communist, they were simply acculturated in Soviet times. By contrast, German society uses the term "citizen of the Reich" to specifically denote people who still hold Nazi views, and not just somebody who lived in those times. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:05, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Infographics Show: Top General Reveals why Russia failed at Bakhmut

Gen. Mark Milley

"It's the bloodiest battle of the entire Ukraine war, with some estimating that this one battle alone has cost Russia 100,000 casualties since it began ten months ago. The strategically insigificant town of Bakhmut has now turned into what could be a turning point in Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and General Mark Milley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has explained how Russia is failing in Bakhmut. Check out today's epic video that takes a deeper look inside the Russian military and how things are falling apart at the seams for Putin." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31cnwuLDnTw NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:23, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Nazi propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:30, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

See this here. This means I'm a Conservapedia Administrator. If you want to keep posting Nazi propaganda to talk pages, you need to begin sanitizing it in your own words, and stop cutting and pasting it out verbatim. Thank you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:35, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Mick Ryan assesses Ukraine Counter Offensive

“The best case would see all of Ukraine liberated this year,” says the retired major-general. “The most likely is that large parts of the east and south of the country are liberated, placing Ukraine in a good strategic position to regain Crimea”" https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2023/06/08/mick-ryan-assesses-ukraines-counter-offensive/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The Economist: globalist neo-fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:08, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Italian FM: Welcoming Ukraine into NATO and maintaining an United Front

From decode 39. Am on my phone and will give the link subsequently:

"Welcoming Ukraine into NATO… FM Tajani approached the issue by stating that the time for Kyiv’s entry in the Alliance hasn’t come yet, as peace must be reached first. However, “we can make the first steps towards [its] adhesion.” A good place to start is the Atlantic Alliance’s summit in Vilnius, in July, by creating a NATO-Ukraine Council – “which Italy supports with conviction.”

… and maintaining a united front. “I’d like this to be clear: we’re not at war with Russia. We defend Ukraine’s independence, we don’t act to intervene in Russia,” went on Mr Tajani. He also noted that there’s an “element of worry” with regards to the risk of nuclear escalation, but voiced his hope that Moscow may “understand it’s time to recall its army” and reach a cease-fire." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:02, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

https://decode39.com/7146/italian-fm-nato-ukraine-council-vilnius/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:57, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:22, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Communists have always called NATO "fascist" when it's anything but. NATO is a Defensive Alliance. Ukraine has a right to its Self-Defense, ergo it has a right to join NATO if it wants to and if both parties are willing. Sweden will most likely join NATO at Vilnius, Ukraine's roadmap to full NATO inclusion in a year or so will likely be sketched out at the same time. Ideally, Russia herself would undergo a democratic transition and join NATO in 5 to 7 years. Right now, it's not yet ready for that. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 15:45, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

NATO invaded Libya, what the UN calls a "war of aggression". For those of you not in the know, (a) Libya is not the Soviet Union; (b) the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991; (c) NATO was formed to protect the "European homeland" from Soviet expansionism; (d) Libya is in Africa; (e) Africa is not Europe. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:27, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Why did the UN authorize this? "Security Council Approves ‘No-Fly Zone’ over Libya, Authorizing ‘All Necessary Measures’ to Protect Civilians, by Vote of 10 in Favour with 5 Abstentions 17 March 2011" https://press.un.org/en/2011/sc10200.doc.htm NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:43, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

NATO violated the Resolution, smuggled weapons in, and intervened in the conflict. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:46, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

It's all well documented in our article on the Libyan war, and elsewhere in Conservapedia.

Furthermore, the term "United Front" is a Marxist-Leninist term invented by Lenin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:48, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Biden regime DHS "Pyramid of Far-right Radicalization". The Nazi Wolfsengel of the Azov Regiment and other Nazi insignia such as the Black Sun, which the Biden regime supported with Ukraine aid, appears at the top of the pyramid. [3]

"Video summary from CBN News: Prighozin (1) has lifted the veil on Russian Propaganda (2) telling the Russian people they've been lied to and (3) Ukraine is not filled with Nazis, as Putin alleged." (2nd-3rd min) Watch for yourself here https://youtu.be/IaPqhWpWw4E NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:51, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

That's interesting, however a discussion about CBN belongs either on the CBN talk page or the propaganda talk page, or elsewhere. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:56, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

CBN has problems of its own that must be addressed before anyone takes serious CBN support for Nazism and extremist ideology, as the Biden DHS alleges. I assure you, Conservapedia does not support the Biden Homeland Security nor CBN's views on Nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:02, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The video you posted from CBN corroborates the Biden junta's allegation that CBN is an entry point to violent right-wing extremism. That video does not belong on the talk page for CP MPR headlines. Period. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:15, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not an expert on the Libyan War, which I think someone other than Obama might have handled differently. So I'll defer to those who are. But on the whole, in its 75 year history, while not perfect, NATO has done its main job of preserving peace in Europe. You already know my thoughts on it; that it should become a truly inter-national alliance, including and welcome Asian Countries and those from the Global South, that are Democratic and Peace-Loving. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:53, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Your posting the term "United Front" in a subheading on this talk page displays you own susceptibility to Marxist brainwashing and propaganda. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:53, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The Italian Minister spoke those words. I just reported on it. And even if Marxists used it in a wrong sense, conservatives can use it in a right sense. Here, the words just mean NATO or Trans-Atlantic Unity, which will be broken, like the infighting between Prighozin and Shoigu. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:00, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Bingo. You should have enough spiritual discernment to recognize it as Marxist propaganda before headlining it here. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

As to the neo-nazi garbage you posted above quoting Mark Milley, you could begin researching Milley here from Flag and Cross: https://flagandcross.com/joint-chiefs-chairman-general-mark-milley-disgraced-his-uniform/ RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:08, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Left: Original SS logo from World War II. Right: Modified SS logo used by Ukrainian Nazis on YouTube during the Russo-Ukrainian war.

There certainly does appear to be an uptick in hysterical drama queens calling other people Nazis. But I am not seeing an uptick of people wearing swastikas. It's too bad more people aren't honest, cordial and rational. Conservative (talk) 17:46, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

It's almost comical the way some of these people accuse those who disagree with them of being "Nazis". Nazi has a specific meaning: if you support a Holocaust of Jews, you're a Nazi. If you don't, you're not. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 18:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

What's so funny about US aid to Ukrainian Nazis and the proud nazi supporters with blue and yellow emojis? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:10, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Here's the facts: Mark Milley called 73 million Trump supporters "Nazis" while he himself is a both a Nazi supporter and Nazi propagandist. I don't even understand why we have to debate this on MPR. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 18:20, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

User: NishantXavier, I agree with you about how clownish the comical behavior of falsely calling other people Nazis is and how irrational and ahistorical it is. The Conservapedia Guidelines state about civility: "You must be civil. No bullying... Conservapedia Administrators as well need to interact with others according to the same standards of civility we ask of editors." Conservative (talk) 18:38, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Distraught family of Biden murder victims. [4]

Bottomline: We're not going to use any proven neo-Nazi or neo-Nazi propaganda source as a source for valid information. The sooner you two guys learn how to properly qualify sources and information, the better. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:37, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Mark Milley, based upon his widely publicized comments about Donald Trump and Trump supporters, and sworn Congressional testimony, and his leadership actions and ability to make military assessments during and after the withdrawal from Afghanistan should be evidence enough that he is not a qualified source regarding anything related to the NATO war in Ukraine, Russia, or Vladimir Putin. Why do we even need to have this discussion?

Questions about CBN should be on the Department of Homeland Security talk page or CBN article page, or the propaganda, fake news, or psyops pages. Or maybe even the Breitbart page. They do not belong here. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:44, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Mark Milley is a killer of civilians and children. You cannot even argue that he accidentally killed that family of 10, including children, to protect American civilians and soldiers - because he did not. Neither did he ever even have the intention to protect American civilians and soldiers leaving Afghanistan. And he still holds his job and no one was held to account. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:55, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

The idea that Milley is an American and therefore he is one of the "good guys" is racist; and the idea that he's the best guy we got to head the JCS and that's why he hasn't been fired for murderous incompetence is even more frightening. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 19:58, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Advice to Nishant: Stop grabbing whatever propaganda headline, wording, or phrasing catches your eye, and begin studying a little closer the sources of that information. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:07, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Russophobia again - for the umpteenth time. Sad!

RobS, "proven neo-Nazi or neo-Nazi propaganda source"? I noticed recently that when I broached the subject of a remarkable absence of a huge increase of Americans donning swastikas and giving each other Nazi salutes that RobS desperately wanted to change the subject.

It's so sad that RobS suffers from cognitive dissonance when various pieces of evidence are brought up about the future decline of Russia. He's reduced to falsely accusing others of being Nazis. I am all for having a certain amount of fondness for one's ethnic/cultural heritage, but RobS' is allowing his pride about his Slavic heritage reduce him to being a Russia cheerleader. The great Russian writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn took a more noble path. When appropriate, he offered various criticisms of Russia/Russians. Conservative (talk) 20:03, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

You ever read Solzhenitsyn? I think I know the answer: No.

I am not Russian. Much of what I learned about Russia I have learned by reading Solzhenitsyn over the past 40 years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:15, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

LALALA! I can't hear you!

My very first experience with wikis was when I tried to cite Solzhenitsyn's comments about Bertrand Russell in Wikipedia. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:18, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

What America needs is our own American Solzhenitsyn - someone willing to tell the truth about our corrupt government and society - and our lying government officials and controlled media and propaganda apparatuses that brainwash people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:23, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I can always tell when RobS is badly losing a debate. He frantically tries to game the titles of threads. "Russophobia"! he cries. So pathetic.

RobS wrote to me: "You ever read The Gulag Archipelago? I think I know the answer: No." RobS, you thinking you know answers is not the same as you knowing answers. A former housemate of mine allowed me to read his copy of Solzhenitsyn's excellent book The Gulag Archipelago.

RobS, I have nothing further to say about this matter. But remember this discussion when you see Russia decline in the next 10-15 years. Conservative (talk) 20:37, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I said that based on my experiences with you regarding Samuel Huntington and The Clash of Civilizations, cause I know for a fact you never read it. I doubt you even read the abridged version in Foreign Affairs. IOWS, what you know about Huntington or Solzhenitsyn is hearsay evidence. Same as with Vladimir Putin. You only know what somebody told you second and third hand about these characters. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:44, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) You might as well skip reading the bible and tell us what the Church of Scientology says about the Gospel of John for the public record you have created with your research techniques. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:59, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I still remember the various brutal torture methods used in Soviet gulags that Solzhenitsyn describes in his book The Gulag Archipelago. Deny that Russians having been torturing Ukrainians in the war in Ukraine and lose all credibility. Conservative (talk) 20:59, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Oh really? Describe right here and now one such torture method. The clock is running. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:02, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

What is Katorga? How was a czarist minister sentenced to katorga?

Did Solzhenitsyn write the chapter in Vol 3, 40 Days at Kengir? How did it end?

C'mon. None of these questions should be too difficult to answer "from memory." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:06, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Bzzzzt. Times up. More than 10 minutes have gone by. No fair cheating by looking up the answers on the internet. You should know off the top of your head "from memory." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:13, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

On page 127 of Solzhenitsyn's book The Gulag Archipelago, I found the excerpt which described one of the more brutal torture methods that I remember:

"So now we will try the club. Prisoners can't take more than two or three sessions of this. Let down your trousers and lie down on the runner." The colonel sat down on the prisoner's back. A.D. was going to count the blows. He didn't yet know about a blow from a rubber truncheon on the sciatic nerve when the buttocks have disappeared as a consequence of prolonged starvation. The effect is not felt in the place where the blow is delivered-it explodes inside the head. After the first blow the victim was mad with pain and broke his nails on the carpet. Ryumin beat away, trying to hit accurately. The colonel pressed down on A.D.'s torso-this was just the right sort of work for three big shoulder-board stars, assisting the all-powerful R yumin! (After the beating the prisoner could not walk and, of course, was not carried. They just dragged him along the floor. What was left of his buttocks was soon so swollen that he could not button his trousers, and yet there were practically no scars. He was hit by a violent case of diarrhea, and, sitting there on the latrine bucket in solitary, A.D. guffawed. He went through a second and a third session, and his skin cracked, and Ryumin went wild, and started to beat him on the stomach, breaking through the intestinal wall and creating an enormous hernia through which A.D.'s intestines protruded. The prisoner was taken off to the Butyrki hospital with a case of peritonitis, and for the time being their attempts to compel him to commit a foul deed were suspended.)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Conservative (talk)

And you are wrong about this. Solzhenitsyn is describing the "enhanced interrogation" techniques used at KGB headquarters before a prisoner was sentenced to a gulag labor camp. Once in a camp, "torture" techniques like this were seldom used as a worker is of no use after being physically abused. Fess up: You either lied or your reading comprehension and retention skills are low.

Furthermore, many of the horrific stories of abuse Solzhenitsyn related occurred in the 1920s immediately after the Bolshevik seizure of power and weren't really necessary in the in later decades of the 1940s and 1950s when Solzhenitsyn was there. Sleep deprivation and standing for long hours, or a cut in the bread ration usually did the trick getting information. Any one of those answer would have been more convincing. If you were familiar with Gulag Archipelago, you would know and understand that much. IOWs, Solzhenitsyn is relating stories that were told and common knowledge among prisoners, but he did not witness. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:30, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

"Butyrki" should have been a clue; WP says, "Butyrka remained a place of internment for political prisoners and a transfer camp for people sentenced to be sent to the Gulag. IOWs, Butyrka wasn't even part of the Gulag.

Final chance to come clean and disentangle yourself from all tall tales you tell: What was the name of the other prisoner holding site in Moscow? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:57, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Bzzzt. Times up again. More than 72 hours have passed. Anyone remotely familiar, or even remotely interested in the Soviet period would know what the Lubyanka was, but you're not even interested in historical truth or historical fact. Case closed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:34, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Zelensky, Budanov, Zaluzhny, Podolyak, Gerashchenko, Syrsky, et al are destined for interrogation cells in the Lubyanka, which will probably have to be reconverted from a museum for use again as part of the denazification effort when the ceasefire is declared. And BlackRock doesn't have enough money to post their bail. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:42, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

I said, no fair cheating, "from memory", "off the top of your head", etc, not cut n pasted from the internet. "Pg 127" {what volume?) Sheesh.

Just give it up. go back to things you know, like UK pot holes or Ace's dietary habits. I have much more important things to attend to then this incessant trolling.

If you ever did read the book, the easiest one to cite would be how prisoners were required to crap on command with only 15 minutes to do so. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:39, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, I also recalled Soviet prisoners being confined in boxes. I thought that fleas were put in the boxes, but I was mistaken. I conflated two portions of Solzhenitsyn's book The Gulag Archipelago one of which talked about very large fleas that bit (page 159 of the book). So that is why I took extra time to find one of the things I recalled.

And I don't particular care if you don't like the way I responded to your request relating to Solzhenitsyn's book. If I cared what you thought, I wouldn't have blocked your email address and phone number. I really don't care what some clown says who childishly tosses out false accusations of people being Nazis with gay abandon. Conservative (talk) 22:04, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Look, you are wasting both of our time. You never read Solzhenitsyn. Leave it at that. Find something else to do with your time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:17, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

Proverbs 14:7. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:21, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

And don't cite the Bible to me. You have a twisted theology that seems to think that one's actions don't matter in regards to salvation (But as James says "faith without works is dead".[16]) Which goes along way in explaining why you think you can act like a jerk without any future consequences. Conservative (talk) 22:33, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

I know you are but what am I? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:49, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) You should have answered the question on Katorga - that would have been easiest. Even if you cheated and used the Wikipedia article which is largely taken from Solzhenitsyn and others, it still is in error and doesn't carry Solzhenitsyn's definition of the term. Wikipedia claims it's a Russian word, whereas Solzhenitsyn says upfront it is the Greek word to describe the life sentence of a slave chained to the oar of a boat. Nowhere does the WP article mention that. Much of Volume III discusses the history of katorga. Wikipedia focuses on the Russophobic definition of the word. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:38, June 26, 2023 (EDT)

One of my favorite, and most interesting stories in the Gulag Archipelago, particularly how it relates to literature and historiography, is the story about the 10,000-year-old salamanders found frozen in the ice of Siberia. What can you tell us or add to that? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 03:24, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Putin can draw!

If Putin ever has to move on from his president gig, he can draw for Spongebob. PeterKa (talk) 11:05, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Western 'intelligence' has him by the cahoonies this time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:52, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Is Russia repeating the Soviet Union's mistake? Putin talks about guns and butter

Russia’s Economy Is Starting to Come Undone, Investment is down, labor is scarce, budget is squeezed. Oligarch: ‘There will be no money next year’, Wall Street Journal, March 2023

"The country’s biggest exports, gas and oil, have lost major customers. Government finances are strained. The ruble is down over 20% since November against the dollar. The labor force has shrunk as young people are sent to the front or flee the country over fears of being drafted. Uncertainty has curbed business investment.

“Russia’s economy is entering a long-term regression,” predicted Alexandra Prokopenko, a former Russian Central Bank official who left the country shortly after the invasion.

There is no sign the economic difficulties are bad enough to pose a short-term threat to Russia’s ability to wage war. But state revenue shortfalls suggest an intensifying dilemma over how to reconcile ballooning military expenditures with the subsidies and social spending that have helped President Vladimir Putin shield civilians from hardship.

Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska warned this month that Russia is running out of cash. “There will be no money next year, we need foreign investors,” the raw-materials magnate said at an economic conference...

“Despite Russia’s resilience in the short term, the long-term picture is bleak: Moscow will be much more inward-looking and overly dependent on China,” said Maria Shagina, a senior fellow at the International Institute for Strategic Studies think tank in London....=

“You know, there is a maxim, guns versus butter,” Mr. Putin said in a state-of-the-nation address last month. “Of course, national defense is the top priority, but in resolving strategic tasks in this area, we should not repeat the mistakes of the past and should not destroy our own economy.”

For much of Mr. Putin’s more than 20 years in charge, high oil and gas revenue underpinned a social contract that saw most Russians largely staying out of opposition politics and protests in exchange for rising living standards.

The International Monetary Fund has estimated that Russia’s potential growth rate—the rate at which it could grow without courting inflation—was around 3.5% before 2014, the year it seized Crimea from Ukraine. That has now fallen to around 1%, some economists say, as productivity declines and the economy becomes technologically backward and more isolated."[17] Conservative (talk) 01:12, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Neo-fascist propaganda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:32, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine, UK etc go to the ICJ to hold Iran accountable for killing civilians and shooting down a civilian airplane

In other recent news, many countries are waking up to the threat posed by Radical Islamist Iran, especially under the current regime. Many of these countries also, very positively, support the Crown Prince of Iran, in exile, who is Israel-friendly and democratic and peaceful.

"Ukraine, Canada, the United Kingdom, and Sweden will go to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in their bid to hold Iran accountable for the downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight 752 in January 2020. The Boeing 737-800 crashed after being shot down by Iranian army personnel shortly after taking off from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport (IKA), killing all 176 people onboard." https://simpleflying.com/ukraine-iran-international-court-justice-boeing-737-downing/

On Reza Pahlavi, Iran's former crown prince: "Iran’s former crown prince, Reza Pahlavi, has stirred controversy after visiting Israel, Tehran’s arch enemy.

Pahlavi, an exiled opposition figure who has lived in the United States for decades, arrived in Israel on April 17. He held talks with senior officials, met Israelis of Iranian descent, and participated in Israel's annual Holocaust memorial ceremony.

The 62-year-old Pahlavi described his visit to Israel as a chance to deliver a “message of friendship from the Iranian people.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/iran-pahlavi-israel-visit-controversy/32370776.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NishantXavier (talk)

It would be interesting if the US recognized the legitimacy of ICJ. According to the Wikipedia article,

After the court ruled that the United States's covert war against Nicaragua was in violation of international law (Nicaragua v. United States), the United States withdrew from compulsory jurisdiction in 1986 to accept the court's jurisdiction only on a discretionary basis.[12]

This is the "rules based order" where the US makes up the rules as it goes along, picking and choosing which "international laws" it feels like obeying and which to ignore. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:39, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

As to Reza Pahlavi, he has made it clear that he does not seek to reestablish the monarchy, but seeks to use his influence for regime change. Does your Western propaganda piece make that clear? or does it imply that he is the Western-backed stooge, puppet, and figurehead to bring back the monarchy to Iran? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:58, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Infographics show: why Putin is scared of Ukraine's counter offensive

"Vladamir Putin is scared, and he should be because the Ukrainian military has superior training, weaponry, and vehicles when compared to his conscript army, and it won't be long before the Russian people have had enough of this failed invasion. Check out today's insane new video that reveals why Putin is sweating while everything in Russia is unraveling. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOv78cIelJU NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:51, July 6, 2023 (EDT)

Larry Johnson, former CIA officer, wrote this:

"A friend still involved in the day-to-day operations sent me the following video. He said this is making the rounds among the Company Grade Officers (i.e., 2d Lt, 1 Lt, and Captains) and enlisted personnel. A majority of the American military actually believes this stuff, especially the Zoomers. Reddit, the main social media app of today’s youth, is chock full of this garbage.

"Although the video is a lame attempt at humor, the narrative/meme is not a joke. Many younger officers genuinely believe that we have Russia over a barrel and can take out Putin at will. It is one thing for the average guy or gal on the street to believe such nonsense, but it is terrifying to learn that many U.S. military officers, both junior and senior (including Flag Officers, i.e. Generals), are so deluded."

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:17, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Russian BARS-1 Volunteer Detachment Destroy 4th Reich Panzer Advance on Zaporozhye Front

Just what is NATO trying to achieve?Turkey shoot. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:21, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

NATO Video: For our Freedom and Yours

"“Freedom is not a given and it needs constant care.” In the past year, NATO Allies have demonstrated their unity, solidarity and resolve to protect our citizens while facing the biggest security crisis in Europe since the Second World War, Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine.

Our democracies, our values and the rules-based order have been challenged, and we have responded. We have carried out the biggest reinforcement of our collective defence since the Cold War by putting 40,000 troops under NATO command, doubled the number of battlegroups from four to eight, and we have taken important steps to strengthen our defence measures on land, in the air, at sea and in cyber space."

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04jikRb1TuI NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:00, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

You need de-programming. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:16, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

Infographics Video: Russia's only option to defeat the Ukrainian Counter-Offensive

Perceptive Video: "Russia has had significant trouble with Ukraine over the last year, and Ukraine is now pushing back. Russia needs to change its military strategy in order to avoid a counter-invasion [i.e. of illicitly imperialistically annexed/occupied/usurped territories]! Check out how Russia plans to quell any Ukrainian offensive in today's epic new video." https://youtu.be/32X-ZEdlCxU NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:50, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine on verge of Major Breakthrough as it pushes East in its Counter-Offensive

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/07/15/ukraine-russia-war-latest-news-putin-zelensky-general-popov/

"Ukraine is on the verge of achieving a major breakthrough as it pushes east on its counter-offensive, Estonia’s intelligence chief has said.

Ukrainian pressure is beginning to weigh on Russia’s demoralised front lines and they could soon crack, Colonel Margo Grosberg said, noting that troops had destroyed Russian command posts and made headway around Bakhmut." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:52, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

Fired Russian general speaks out about war in Ukraine

Hear TV host lash out at viewers who defended fired Russian general

Although Russia has a larger population than Ukraine, more industrial capacity than the West (especially if China its ally steps in) and has strong defenses set up in Ukraine (See: Retired General Explains Why Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Is So Behind | WSJ), it appears to be falling short of its potential. But the Russians are still expected to win this war by knowledgeable people. And if the West were to achieve getting Russia to start losing this war, it would increase the risk of a nuclear war.

But even if Russia were to "win" this war, it would be a pyrrhic victory because Russia is facing a demographic winter due to its low fertility rate (See: Russia's fertility rate). Conservative (talk) 21:29, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

Russian Economy: Less than 2 TN. Combined NATO Economy: More than 40 TN. Russia Population: Less than 150 MN. NATO Population: Nearly 1 BN. Even when Prighozin turned on other Generals, Putin did not think of using Nukes. He's never going to use it, it's a bluff, because he himself knows all that needs to happen for him to lose is for the Western/NATO Coalition to hold, because of those Numbers I mentioned above. This is a conventional war and will end as conventional wars do; when sufficiently many tanks and Soldiers are lost, Russia will realize it cannot win and go back home. Both America and Russia did that in Afghanistan. And I think that's what will ultimately happen here as well in Ukraine. Let's see. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 23:09, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

There are European members of NATO that don't even give their 2% of their GNP to their country's defense which is something that they promised to do. The corrupt country of Ukraine has even less strategic value to the USA than it does to Europeans. China is a much bigger competitor to the USA than Russia and so it is just a matter of time before the USA moves on from Ukraine - especially since the Russians are going to further wreck Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 00:18, July 16, 2023 (EDT)

Also, Germany has long been a major economic powerhouse of Europe. But now its source of cheap Russian gas has been cut off and it is in the midst of deindustrialization.[18] Greying Europe, which no longer has access to cheap Russian gas, is headed for economic decline which is something that has been happening for some time (See: Decline of Europe). This is another reason why the USA will focus more on Asia in the future - especially given that India's economy is expected to grow. Conservative (talk) 00:36, July 16, 2023 (EDT)

You guys need to start following Jake Dreizin - he's fluent in both Russian and Ukrainian. He's been doing video dumps every 12-24 hours for the past couple of weeks of what is happening there. Read his Intro, at least. Originally, he said it would take about 4 dumps; he's up to number 8 right now. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:31, July 16, 2023 (EDT)

Weeb Union: The Total FAILURE of Ukraine's Offensive Results in HEAVY Losses. Scorecard on KIA: Ukraine 24,000+, Russia 200+. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:19, July 16, 2023 (EDT)

The biggest threat to Russia is the regime of President Vladimir Putin: Opposition Leader Navalny

If only this man had Full Freedom to run a Presidential Campaign and wasn't Suffering/Being Martyred for Love of his Country in Prison. When someone is ready to suffer for serving his country - as e.g. De Santis was by joining the Military, while Trump ran away from it - that's how you know he's a Good Leader. The Lord Jesus Himself said about the True Shepherd/Leader, that he suffers for his people, as Jesus Christ Our Lord did for us. That's the mark of a true leader and usually a Very Probable Sign that Leader is chosen by Almighty God. Navalny could have enjoyed his life on Germany, but he chose not to. It's also very obvious it was none other than Putin who poisoned Navalny, as he has been doing to others, while many in the West were silent about it. Putin's a cold-blooded killer, period. That's what we're seeing now come to pass, which has been a consistent pattern for many years. Boris Nemtsov is another example of Putin's killing.

Navalny, not Putin, is the man who should be President of Russia. He has condemned the War in Ukraine as morally wrong and bad for Russia. We need to come out of a False Nationalism that cannot see International Problems from the perspective of a Universal God and His Universal Law. https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/27/putin-a-danger-to-russia-jailed-opposition-leader-navalny-a81667 Only then will we Conservatives have a credible international/universal voice and be able to help solve some of the world's major challenges/problems.

"The biggest threat to Russia is the regime of President Vladimir Putin, jailed opposition leader Alexei Navalny said on Tuesday, in his first comments since an aborted Wagner mutiny.

"There is no bigger threat to Russia than Putin's regime," Navalny wrote on social media. "Putin's regime is so dangerous to the country that even its inevitable demise will create the threat of civil war," he wrote.

"The fact that the war started by Putin could destroy and break up Russia is no longer a dramatic statement."

The rebellion by Wagner mercenary group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin sparked Russia's largest political crisis in decades." NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:53, July 18, 2023 (EDT)

Boris Nemtsov wrote in 2014: "This is not our war, this is not your war, this is not the war of 20-year-old paratroopers sent out there. This is Vladimir Putin's war." Vladimir Putin has almost burned Russia to the ground. It's time he went home and left Russia in Peace.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:58, July 18, 2023 (EDT)

I saw no one had created an article on Nemtsov so I created an article for Conservapedia on him now. See how our discussions lead to more articles for Conservapedia in time? More can be added to it in time, but it's important to know what Putin has been up to while the world has been looking the other way, either through indifference or something else. That's what has caused this War ultimately to break out. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:09, July 18, 2023 (EDT)

Fox News reported on that at the time: "Enemies of Vladimir Putin have a way of winding up dead.

Whether they are poisoned, gunned down on the streets of Moscow or blown to bits in their homes, people who have crossed or merely criticized the Russian president have turned up dead around the world. Putin political adversary Boris Nemtsov, who was shot and killed near the Kremlin last week, is only the latest in a long line that includes hundreds of journalists, human rights activists and businessmen."https://www.foxnews.com/world/crossing-the-kremlin-nemtsov-latest-in-long-line-of-putin-critics-to-wind-up-dead NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:12, July 18, 2023 (EDT)

The biggest threat to Russia is NATO. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:08, July 18, 2023 (EDT)

Why do most Christian Histories of Evangelization skip some 1000-1500 years?

I sometimes see Christians interested in Evangelization and the History of Christian Evangelism suddenly skip over from roughly 250-300 A.D. or so to around 1700-1750 A.D. or so, a massive gap of around 1500 years. Why? Most people neglect to ask themselves, but wait, "How did Europe become Christian in the First Place?" How, for e.g. did England, France, Germany and Ireland, become Baptized and Christian? The answers, respectively, are God raised up and sent Great Saints, including Popes/Bishops like Gregory the Great, Saint Augustine of Canterbury, Saint Boniface and Saint Patrick. All these are well documented and unimpeachable historical facts. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:26, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, it's what many call, "The Dark Ages", etc. Big question. Careful though, 1700-1750 is the period communists writers will call the beginning of the "Age of Imperialism", while others are going to say it reflects the Protestant Reformation, equating the Roman Catholic Church with the Dark Ages. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:34, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

The name, "Dark Ages" can be misleading, implying something sinister and oppressive occurred. What it really means is that there isn't a lot of valid historical writings to go on covering a very long passage of time (largely due to widespread illiteracy); and those writings tend to be connected with the church. So in the so-called "Enlightened" Era, atheist bigots tended to just dismiss those earlier writings as being from a "dark" and sinister time. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:40, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Pls see the Evangelization of England: "As soon as they entered the dwelling-place assigned to them, they began to imitate the Apostolic manner of life in the primitive Church; applying themselves to constant prayer, watchings, and fastings; preaching the Word of life to as many as they could; despising all worldly things, as in nowise concerning them; receiving only their necessary food from those they taught; living themselves in all respects conformably to what they taught, and being always ready to suffer any adversity, and even to die for that truth which they preached. In brief, some believed and were baptized, admiring the simplicity of their blameless life, and the sweetness of their heavenly doctrine. There was on the east side of the city, a church dedicated of old to the honour of St. Martin, built whilst the Romans were still in the island, wherein the queen, who, as has been said before, was a Christian, was wont to pray. In this they also first began to come together, to chant the Psalms, to pray, to celebrate Mass, to preach, and to baptize, till when the king had been converted to the faith, they obtained greater liberty to preach everywhere and build or repair churches.

When he, among the rest, believed and was baptized, attracted by the pure life of these holy men and their gracious promises, the truth of which they established by many miracles, greater numbers began daily to flock together to hear the Word, and, forsaking their heathen rites, to have fellowship, through faith, in the unity of Christ's Holy Church. It is told that the king, while he rejoiced at their conversion and their faith, yet compelled none to embrace Christianity, but only showed more affection to the believers, as to his fellow citizens in the kingdom of Heaven. For he had learned from those who had instructed him and guided him to salvation, that the service of Christ ought to be voluntary, not by compulsion. Nor was it long before he gave his teachers a settled residence suited to their degree in his metropolis of Canterbury, with such possessions of divers sorts as were necessary for them." [Ch. 26]" [From Ecclesiastical History of the English People].

Does it sound like "Dark Ages" to you? Prayer, Fasting, Healing, Miracles, Evangelism and Christianity's Astonishing Growth, and Ultimate Triumph, in England, (with other European Countries to follow soon thereafter). This happened in the 6th and 7th Centuries. I think, after the French Revolution, Atheists and Agnostics engaged in a Propaganda War against Christendom, rewriting History, and falsely claiming "Ages of Light" and Christ's Glory were "Dark Ages". It's their own false agnostic and atheistic revolutions (like the Commie Revolution, which Solzhenitsyn heavily criticized as being founded on Militant Atheism as its Dominant Ideology - which also caused some 60 MN Deaths) that led to "Dark Ages".

James Hannam wrote: "The myth that people in the Middle Ages thought the Earth is flat appears to date from the 17th century as part of the campaign by Protestants against Catholic teaching. But it gained currency in the 19th century, thanks to inaccurate histories such as John William Draper's History of the conflict between Religion and Science (1874) and Andrew Dickson White's A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom (1896). Atheists and agnostics championed the conflict thesis for their own purposes, but historical research gradually demonstrated that Draper and White had propagated more fantasy than fact in their efforts to prove that science and religion are locked in eternal conflict." https://www.patheos.com/resources/additional-resources/2010/05/science-versus-christianity NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:45, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

I dunno; I was giving a broad outline of historiography. I may be light on specifics. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:58, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

Evangelicals search for Mt. Sinai -- in Saudi Arabia

A map of Arabia Petraea

Saudi Arabia, one of the least tourist-friendly countries in the world, opened to tourists in 2019. Will they find Mt. Sinai? See "Saudi Arabia Wants Tourists. It Didn’t Expect Christians." The viral video "Finding the Mountain of Moses: The Real Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia" is said to be sending Christians to Saudi. You're not going to find archaeological evidence of a Golden Calf or of the other events in events in Exodus, so I found this video to be a stretch. The theory was proposed by Ron Wyatt, author of In Search of Noah's Ark (1976).

As far as where the mountain really is, the Bible doesn't give you much to go by. The Sinai peninsula is named after Mt. Sinai, so historically people have looked for it there. Josephus says that Mt. Sinai is the highest mountain in Arabia Petræa. Galatians 4:25 says Mt. Sinai is in "Arabia," presumably Arabia Petræa. Exodus repeatedly uses the phrase "mountain of God," which suggests that there was already a history of worship at this mountain when Moses arrived. The traditional site near St. Catherine's monastery was identified in Byzantine times and there is no archaeology to support this identification. Biblical Archaeology Review suggests Har Karkom, a paleolithic cult center in the Negev. PeterKa (talk) 09:31, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

I've seen one Wyatt video some time ago, and it was very convincing. The area is fenced off by the Saudi ruling regime, but he was able to gain access inside somehow.

Fencing off the area should not be seen in a sinister light - it is being protected from graffiti artists, vandals, and souvenir hunters. Turning the area into a tourist trap is fraught with all sorts of religious and international questions, as well. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:10, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Har Karkom an interesting visual effect on the winter solstice that might explain the "burning bush" story. PeterKa (talk) 07:23, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Guess who admitted that Sabbath observance is substantiated by the New Testament?

Amazing Discoveries is one of the greatest bastions of truth in our time. In the episode linked, Schanche and Drebit go straight to the horse's mouth, in this case a Jesuitist publication from years past which admitted that Seventh-day Adventists were the only body of Christianity which kept the seventh-day Sabbath which is biblically grounded in the Old and New Testament.

Oh, did any of you know why the Protestant Reformation failed at the Council of Trent? It's because the Protestants were criticized as inconsistent vain rebels for failing to uphold the biblical seventh-day Sabbath. The Papacy boasted, "aha, you claim to be for the word and word alone, yet you uphold our doctrine of Sunday observance!" And the Papacy in that assertion was correct: it was the chief promulgator of Sunday observance in the church, not the Bible, because they claimed to have the authority to change times and law. (Daniel 7:25) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 19:18, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Is posting white supremacy fine, but addressing the Sabbath issue not to be allowed?

Last year, when I removed a hegemony of subversive white supremacist propaganda, RobSmith brazenly added it back, but just earlier he pointlessly removed a post of mine on Main Page talk about the Sabbath. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:34, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

This thread, and the above on the Sabbath, were moved here from Talk:Main Page. The days of anybody just walking into a Talk page discussion and peeing all over the carpet with non-tangential discussions are over. Thank you. Please cooperate. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:54, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, my mistake: I initially didn't notice the revision of you moving it over here. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:58, July 11, 2023 (EDT)

Deus, qui per passionem et mortem tuam redemisti mundum, concede nobis famulis tuis, ut simus digni efficacioresque operibus salvatoris nostri Jesu Christi. Per eumdem Christum Dominum nostrum.

Go and sin no more. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:05, July 12, 2023 (EDT)

We can always call them trannies

The one thing you can be sure of is that whatever you are calling them is bigoted and wrong. USA Today says LGBQ+. What happened to the "T," you transphobes! Canada knows how to do it right: They've switched to "2SLGBTQI+". I want to see Biden say that three times fast. Here is the real pride news: "45% of 'LGBQ+' U.S. high schoolers contemplated suicide in 2021 according to CDC report." I know the Mega MAGA will peddle their conspiracy theories. But we all know its because transphobic bigots are refusing use the right pronouns. PeterKa (talk) 09:37, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

There's a civil war in the LGBT movement: some of the LGBs wanna kick out the Ts, they are divided between human rights activists and LGBs who wanna have sex with anything so long as its human and still alive. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:26, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

The history of the LGBT movement tells you everything you need to know. It started out as Gay Pride. Many Lesbians identified as gay, however there is a certain element within the Lesbian group infected with misanthropy or misandryism or whatever the word is and identify strictly as Lesbian. So when lesbians allied with gays, the patriarchy won out and deferred to women, chivalrously putting ladies first in the Lesbian-Gay alliance. Bisexuals soon were added cause they, unlike some lesbians, did not hate and/or fear members of the opposite sex. When the "T" was added, it initially referred to transexuals, who at the time were largely crossdressers (transvestites) with a few undergoing "sex reassignment" surgery (the term used in the Hollywood blockbuster Silence of the Lambs, where a person with gender dysphoria makes a convenient villain and scapegoat as a psychotic serial killer. I doubt such a transphobic movie could be made today with its vulgar stereotypes about gender confused people. Nevertheless the film remains popular as one of the scariest horrors films ever made). As Big Pharma started churning out more and more gender dysphoria victims in the lab, "transexual" was replaced with "transgender". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:06, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

The term "gay" likewise has an interesting history. It begins with Friedrich Nietzsche's 19th century book, The Gay Science. Many decades later Hollywood produced a film entitled The Gay Divorcee. By the 1960s gays "came out of the closet" and admitted that the word "gay" was a codeword dropped in casual conversation for nearly a hundred years to feel out a person if they were susceptible to homosexual advances (facilitated by the "intellectual", academic, and popular culture references to the book or film). RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:25, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

What is remarkable about the Lesbian-Gay Alliance (later the LGBT alliance} is, it normalized people with underlying psychological problems. Lesbians who refused to identify as "gay", suffer from the same irrational underlying fear and psychological maladies that they accuse homophobes of. Only in the case of the larger hetero community, what was once a psychiatric disorder was decriminalized, whereas many in the LGBT movement and their "straight" allies seek to criminalize what is by definition a psychological disorder. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:58, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

Boom! De Santis and Trump neck and neck in Wisconsin; De Santis does better against Biden

"Former President Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis are neck and neck for the 2024 GOP presidential primary in Wisconsin, according to a new poll. A Marquette University Law School Poll survey of Wisconsin voters released Wednesday found 31 percent of Republicans and independents who lean Republican said Trump was their Republican presidential primary preference, while 30 percent said DeSantis."

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4072012-trump-desantis-neck-and-neck-in-wisconsin-poll/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:45, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

I just looked at another source, and it's even more astounding than I thought! Wait for it - in a head-to-head or one on contest, can you guess who beats whom? De Santis beats Trump by 16 points! Wow. Here's the source: "Among Republicans in the Badger State, DeSantis is almost tied with Trump, pulling 30% of the vote versus Trump’s 31%. It gets better. The poll found that DeSantis’s approval rating among Republicans and Republican-leaving voters (67%) is nearly equal to Trump’s (68%) and in a hypothetical (and probably mythical) one-on-one contest, DeSantis actually leads Trump by 16 points —57% to 41%." https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/finally-a-good-poll-for-desantis

That means, if the field were narrowed down to De Santis and Trump alone, De Santis beats Trump handily and it's not even close!!!

Wow. Even I, a De Santis supporter, did not expect that so early, and am still digesting the information. As for whether it's likely or not that the field will narrow down to 1-on-1 soon after the first few primaries, I think it's not at all unlikely. In 2016, around mid-March, there were only 3 candidates left in the race. It could be much the same this time around, say De Santis, Trump and Haley, and I daresay De Santis would be ahead of Trump if it were. Maybe something like 45-35-20 at that stage. So things look very good for De Santis.

As for the claim that any poll which shows Trump might struggle is not "neutral", Trump supporters can't have it both ways. If polls favoring Trump are neutral, and Trump never stops advertising when he does well in polls, then others which paint a different picture are fair game as well. It'll be interesting to watch, and my confidence in De Santis' longevity, staying power, and ultimate victory went up. Keep in mind that De Santis has plenty of backers and a 100 MN dollar door knocking army. With numbers like this, he has a good chance. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:31, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

The problem here is you have to believe those polls which are not neutral, independent, and carry a corporatist agenda. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:07, June 29, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, the Trump Organization is a corporation made up of about 500 companies and Donald Trump is the sole/principle owner. It is a conglomerate (A multi-industry company under one corporate group). Businesses often form corporations to reduce taxes. Why are you so against capitalism and corporations? Small businesses are the economic backbone of the USA and many of those companies are corporations. Trump was great for many American businesses and he was very pro-business. And many businesses are flocking to Florida due to DeSantis' pro-business policies.

"The business of America is business." - Calvin Coolidge, one of the USA's most conservative presidents.

RobS, it's too bad that you do not see all the greatness associated with capitalism and conservatism. Conservative (talk) 10:33, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Duh, I was talking about rigged opinion polls, duh. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:16, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote "corporatist agenda". Do you think that Donald Trump should dissolve his corporation which is a conglomerate? Conservative (talk) 13:28, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

No. I think you are pushing Benito Mussolini's agenda. But your "conservative values" make you ignorant of that. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:30, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Again, when you step into an area you know nothing about, you should just shut up, haven't you learned that much yet? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:32, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Look, let's not carry this any farther. Just go back to trolling Ace and Spud about eating French Fries, please, and leave me alone. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:42, June 30, 2023 (EDT)]

De Santis beats Trump by a Massive 16 POINTS (57-41%) in Wisconsin in a Head to Head (1-on-1) Contest

Posting this separately as it got lost in the above as part of another discussion. This is the bottom line: "But given the choice of only DeSantis or Trump, 57% chose the Florida governor and 41% chose the former president." https://madison.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/donald-trump-tied-with-ron-desantis-in-wisconsin-gop-presidential-primary-poll-shows/article_dcbbae1a-15c6-11ee-8b2e-8fe5b68f7f16.html

It's astounding. Truly astounding. I mean, De Santis hardly declared 1 month ago, and already a clear majority of 16% percentage points favors him over the former President, Trump, in Wisconsin. De Santis also did better than Trump against Biden, the key enemy/opponent we conservatives have to beat in 2024. So, the argument that Trump keeps making from polls doesn't work for him.

Here's what Trump claimed on Truth Social for e.g.: "The DeSanctimonious campaign is DEAD! His polls are dropping like a rock heading to Hell, and the DOJ/FBI are continuing their illegal and outrageous weaponization against me only because I am leading Biden by so much. It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and they have NO FEAR against DeSanctus - He’s the one that they are dying to run against, dispute their DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN!" https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110629151921882403 Btw, De Santis would almost certainly pardon Trump if he wins, so Trump can continue to live a free and happy life in Florida where he resides, and where De Santis is governor. However, the false claim that De Santis is doing badly in every poll is not the "Truth", as the above clearly shows. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 21:11, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

I know Wisconsin pretty well. Hillary was supposed to carry the state with 64% on the eve of the 2016 election. Propaganda like this targets people outside the state. It's been like that for a long time. It has no influence on Wisconsin voters. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:00, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Federalist: DeSantis Has A Tougher Border Security Record Than Trump. Here Are The Receipts

"When DeSantis was in Congress voting for strong border security bills, President Trump was pressuring conservatives to support mass amnesty.

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/30/desantis-has-a-stronger-border-security-track-record-than-trump-here-are-the-receipts/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

WATCH RonDeSantis explain why he fights so hard to protect parental rights and the innocence of children

"WATCH: @RonDeSantis explains why he fights so hard to protect parental rights and the innocence of children:" https://twitter.com/DeSantisWarRoom/status/1674785505551212557 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:38, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Down with the Devil Mouse! Will Disney stock continue to fall? Conservative (talk) 22:07, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Murdoch starting to lose patience with DeSantis. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:56, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Florida has the best economy in the U.S.

Gov. Ron De Santis. The Champion God has prepared for more than 20 years when he was an Accomplished Officer (whereas Trump dodged the military draft multiple times, said fighting STDs was "my own personal Vietnam", and bragged about molesting the genitals of multiple women, in a very vulgar whereas Christ taught to be Pure of Heart, and said if your hand causes you to sin, to cut it off and throw it away, etc, not brag about it, St. Paul the Apostle taught not to cuss and swear etc), to becoming the Best Governor in America (as this ranking shows), to being the Best Candidate with Best Record to be President of America. Isn't it clear who the best choice is, from a Christian perspective? All that remains is for sufficient numbers of voters, especially Christian Conservative voters, to seek God's Will for this election and the Wisdom to choose the one He has chosen. One should vote one's Conscience and one's Faith at the ballot box, that has always been traditional Christian Moral Teaching, and it is how Christ can be King of kings among men. And economic prosperity will follow too, for those who choose and seek the Kingdom of God, like Our Lord Jesus Christ promised in the Gospel. The facts and stats are clear: so absolutely clear that even the liberal Anti-De Santis media is absolutely forced to admit it. Trump wasted 8 TN Debt, De Santis ran record Budget Surpluses. Now this. Wow!

"CNBC: Florida has the best economy in the U.S. Up from No. 4 last year, CNBC ranked Florida as having the best economy in all 50 states, something Gov. Ron DeSantis is happy to point out."

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2023/07/17/florida-cnbc-worst-states-live-work-desantis-woke-act-forbes/70419402007/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:05, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

Reminder from Dec. 2022 - De Santis was crushing Trump 56-33% among Conservative Voters, for some of the above reasons I explained

"By a 56%-33% margin, conservative voters picked Governor Ron DeSantis over the former president, who formally launched his new campaign last month." https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63967234 Gov De Santis only fell behind because he was more interested in the Actual Work of Governing rather than having a good time going here and there in campaigning only. De Santis has suffered for being a Governance Hawk, but I believe voters will ultimately recognize it in the long run. It's not inconceivable, by Dec. 2023, the numbers will have reversed in his favor again, especially after the debates, and all the more if Trump does not show up for them, as looks likely. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:05, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

If you didn't support an unindicted Trump, why would you support him after the indictment? Perhaps its a sympathy effect that will reverse itself. If people think they can help Trump out of his legal jam this way, this impulse is misguided. Indicting Trump is closest thing Biden has to a popular policy. He's not going to reverse it based on the reaction of Republican voters. PeterKa (talk) 11:47, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Many GOP voters witnessed how the RNC dindo diddly squat to stop stolen elections. This doesn't bode well for the party in 2024. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:53, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

The USA presidency is a pressure cooker. And stress makes dementia worse. Maybe old man time or the Grim Reaper will force Biden out of the presidency. When I last looked at actuarial tables for a man Biden's age, I recall Biden has about a 5% chance of dying. Conservative (talk) 11:53, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Why do you struggle with following a coherent thought? We're not talking about Biden or Democrats. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:58, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

If Biden dies, maybe Trump will not be prosecuted. A gentler politician of the female persuasion - namely, Kamala Harris - might back down. :) Ergo, the problem might be solved. Conservative (talk) 12:03, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Biden is not the subject of this thread. Shhh, the adults are talking. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:05, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

Falling industry profits add to China economy gloom. A CP user claims he's proven right - again!

Falling industry profits add to China economy gloom. See also: [[Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power]]

User: Conservative proven right - again!

USA! USA! USA! See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]. Conservative (talk) 21:58, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Given your record, if you told me to sell a Chinese stock, I'd probably buy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:12, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Warning: This site does not give investment or medical advise. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:24, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Conservapedia:Blockable offense states:

• Spam. Some people view a wiki as just a vehicle for self promotion.

RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

China’s Economic Crisis: Influential Experts Silenced.

User: Conservative proven right - again! Conservative (talk) 22:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

China’s economic decline poses significant global threat

Is this something to gloat over? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:20, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Affirmative action is struck down again

In Students for Fair Admissions, Inc, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down affirmation action as a violation of the "equal protection" clause of the 14th Amendment by a vote 6-3. They did this before in the Bakke case in 1978, so legally the issue is pretty straightforward. Biden says the Supreme Court is "out of sorts with the basic value system of the American people." But polls say otherwise. Seventy-four percent of Americans say that "public colleges should not be able to use race a factor in admissions". One hopes that admissions officers will refocus on test results rather than skin color. PeterKa (talk) 03:01, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Americans support the court's decision to end affirmation action by an overwhelming 20-point margin. An unconstitutional policy that the public hated was somehow in effect for 46 years. PeterKa (talk) 10:24, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

US Supreme Court Recertifies Capitalism’s Need for Racism

No, it's not a Babylon Bee headline.

A serious student of Marxist rhetoric needs to keep current on the language and idioms used as well as the target masses. So while conservative websites headline "SCOTUS strike down Affirmative Action", Marxist sites say, "US Supreme Court Recertifies Capitalism’s Need for Racism". [19] "Re-certify" should be a clue. While the rest is ancient rhetoric ("racism", "capitalism") "Recertification" means they still have to tear the whole rotten structure down, including SCOTUS. They have not abandoned or walked away from their principles. They may have softened their rhetoric or spoke in other coded language, but this is notification that Marxism is back to square one. The only question is the size of the audience. So now you need to pay attention to who and what "comes out of the closet" and builds on the rhetoric, i.e. that ending affirmative action is "capitalist".

Personally, I doubt they will have many takers, but on its face it also reveals how deeply engrained communism is in the Black Church. I doubt it will expand much from there. But it also serves notice to us, conservatives, that we must revisit our understanding of what capitalism is. The capitalism of today is not the capitalism of Ronald Reagan that defeated the Soviet Union. We must strengthen and deepen the breadth of our own understanding of what capitalism is.

Yes, there are certain immutable laws of capitalism. That doesn't mean all those laws are healthy. Globalism is capitalist. Fascism is capitalist. So as conservatives, yes, we are for a certain amount of government regulation of unbridled oligarchs and billionaires, corporations and industries, who control governments, regulatory agencies, elected officials, think tanks, media, NGOs, etc. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 12:45, July 3, 2023 (EDT)

Ted Talk: The Next Global Super-Power isn't who you think

Good Talk, with some 3 MN views on You Tube, on past, current and possible future events: "Who runs the world? Political scientist Ian Bremmer argues it's not as simple as it used to be. With some eye-opening questions about the nature of leadership, he asks us to consider the impact of the evolving global order and our choices as participants in the future of democracy." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUPD-z9DTg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NishantXavie (talk)

Ian Bremmer is a totalitarian fascist. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:00, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Nikki Haley news

Nikki Haley on Fox and Friends discusses China, criticizes Janet Yellen's liberal weakness - the Fed is in bed with China

Nikki Haley gets it, that's all I can say. She gets this particular issue even better than De Santis does. If De Santis wasn't running, I would support Nikki Haley. I support her for VP, but De Santis is the best on Woke Issues. Anyway, here's the video: https://youtu.be/NX7GWE3dPzI NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:16, July 7, 2023 (EDT)

Criticizing Janet Yellen is low hanging fruit. Heck, I could criticize her better than Haley, DeSantis, or Trump. Who's going to defend her, Jen Psaki? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:27, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

Haley: Bidenomics a disastrous failure

https://youtu.be/8jTYXasi9xc NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:04, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

What else is new? Are we that dumb we need to be told? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:08, July 8, 2023 (EDT)

The Times They Are a-Changin’

NYC Times Square Police pose with Russian flag. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:05, July 12, 2023 (EDT)

Too much posting in main page talk hurts Conservapedia's longer-term traffic

Material that is posted in Conservapedia are picked up by the search engines which causes a growth over time in Conservapedia's Google referral traffic. For example, the atheism page that I largely created gets about 10,000+ page views a month (see: Conservapedia:Atheism articles statistics). In addition, the other atheism-related pages get a large amount of traffic corporately because my related atheism pages are linked together.

The more you boast about your Atheism articles, the more tempted I am to read them in the hopes they will convert me to atheism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:56, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Material that is put in main page talk appears for a brief period and then it is archived. Archived material sees very few subsequent views. For example, a recent main page archive at Talk:Main Page/Archive index/230 posted in January 2023 has received less than 50 page views.

Please remember the 90/10 rule. Conservative (talk) 08:28, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

What's your point? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:34, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Are you trying to limit, interfere, or intimidate editors from engaging in discussion? Are you trying to discourage collaborative and cooperative editing? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:37, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

I mean, we've been in business for 16 years; we have over 200 Archived pages of chaotic, nonsensical, non-cooperative, and non-collaborative Main Page Talk editing. And now that's it's finally being organized to recruit editors into collaborative editing, you wanna bring this BS up now? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:40, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Why are you seeking to discourage collaborative editing and discussion?

The world is not full of lone wolves. Some people actually enjoy working with others. And collaborative articles, worked on by more than one person, tend to be of better quality. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:46, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Talk pages for article pages if done right does lead to collaborate editing. But if main page talk (plus "Conservapedia:Community Portal" I suppose if it replaced main page talk) makes up a very large amount of editing as whole as far as Conservapedia, which is happening now, it doesn't build up long-term viewership for the reasons given above. Conservative (talk) 08:58, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Don't worry about Talk:Main Page - you had a big hand in creating the very problem you allege now. Just go off and do your lone wolf thing and don't troll good faith editors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:03, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote about main page talk material: "And now that's it's finally being organized to recruit editors into collaborative editing, you wanna bring this BS up now?". My response: Organized material that has few page views over time doesn't have much of an impact. Most of Conservapedia's page views over time have come from its articles. In addition, having editors argue about the war in Ukraine, Putin, DeSantis (which has led to some bitter feuding and not changing the views of either side on the whole) is not leading to collaborative editing. More importantly, it is not contributing as much as article editing as far as long-term page views. Conservative (talk) 09:12, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Bla bla bla. Nishant's talk page has 37,000 page views, yours has 117. I doubt Nishant has 37,000 edits. When your talk page has as many as Nishant's, I'll start listening to you.

Your constant deletion of your own talk page means you have no respect for other people's words or opinions. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:21, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

My talk page is my castle. It irks you that you are not able to try to bully me via my talk page due to Andy Schlafly (the owner of the website) liking me as an editor and realizing that I have brought a lot of traffic to the website, but so what. Conservative (talk) 09:27, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Good. I'll say it again: you have no respect for other people's words or opinions. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:29, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, just because I disagree with some of your views about Russia or that I recognize that both sides of the war in Ukraine have engaged in war crimes, doesn't mean that I don't have respect for people's factual material or their informed opinions. Conservative (talk) 09:34, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

You don't even respect Mearsheimer. You constantly misquote him when he clearly says what MSM says about Putin is BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 09:36, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, I believe that Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer is a lot more informed about international relations than you sometimes are. Why? He has spent a lifetime on focusing on this topic whereas you have had a different career path during your working life. The amount of time someone has spent studying a topic can pay dividends if done right. And Mearsheimer is often an intellectually reasonable/modest man who is not given to overstatement and unreasonable speculation. On the other hand, research shows that closeminded experts underperform a group of generalists when it comes to forecasting the future (See: The Peculiar Blindness of Experts).

RobS, if you want to engage in a lot of Russia cheerleading on main page talk, it's good that it will reach a small audience due to it not being in articles and disappearing into archive pages where few people will read it in the future. Conservative (talk) 09:47, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

You're simply not truthful. You say, "I agree with Prof. Mearsheimer" and turn around and say "Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat". Mearsheimer never said any such thing, and in fact disputes that allegation. If I were Mearsheimer, I'd sue you for defamation. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:04, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

I don't know if Mearsheimer disputes that Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat. Please give me some citations as I am skeptical of this claim of yours. Regardless, I don't agree with everything that Mearsheimer says (For example, he is a self-described liberal although he certainly has views that many liberals disagree with). Conservative (talk) 10:08, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

You're so damn dumb you don't even realize that because of Mearsheimer's position in academia and the foreign policy world, even if he believed it he couldn't vocalize it. And I pointed out to you chapter and verse a year ago where in several places Mearsheimer disputes the recycled crap you say about Putin. You put words in his mouth that he not only never said, but denies. Net result: you slander both Mearsheimer and Putin. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:12, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

"give me some citations as I am skeptical of this claim" - you go dig it out of your Deleted talk pages. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:16, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Personal attacks, such as your "You're so damn dumb", is a type of logical fallacy (See: Ad hominem) and is a sign of bad faith, illogical discussion on your side. Furthermore, I scored high on a college entrance exam and received an A in my Logic 101 class in college. I also have careers in disciplines where the average IQ is above average.

And I still remain skeptical that Mearsheimer has disputed that Putin is a corrupt kleptocrat. Conservative (talk) 10:21, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Congrats. David Girard taught you something new. It's amazing you've retained it now for a couple of years. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:28, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

"sign of bad faith". How about deleting talk pages? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:30, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

I merely wanted to make a simple point about main page talk editing vs. article editing. Historically, the wikis that have grown in traffic and have the biggest impact put an emphasis on article editing. So I don't have anything further to say about this topic to you. Conservative (talk) 10:36, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) I know it's far over your head, and I don't know why I'm wasting anymore time on this, but you can begin reading here. And maybe someday as I have time, I can pull up a couple videos from earlier. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:38, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

And then there's this one from November 2022. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 11:14, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

My overall point here is, we have some talented editors here. These editors could be developed into strategic analysts and writers with discussion. We don't need more lone wolfs, in constant feuds, making ridiculous arguments, and who stubbornly refuse to work with other editors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:41, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Unfortunately, when I tried to fix the article on National Socialism, you reverted and trolled me with no proper explanation. Is it no wonder why editors like myself are disinterested in mainspace edits for the most part by this point? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 14:12, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Oh. You probably should have collaborated on talk. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:38, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

I asked you why you reverted my edits, and you mocked me in a Trent-style manner. You have no one to blame but yourself; I do not intend on returning to substantive mainspace contributions until there is sound assurance that my edits will not be pointlessly reverted for countering your anti-capitalist, anti-neoliberal hegemony of bizarre insinuations. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 14:46, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Oowie oowie. Want me to kiss it and make it feel better? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:53, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you for demonstrating why Conservapedia is an abysmal failure, you son of the devil. You were exposed to the light, but chose darkness!

“	For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.	”
—Hebrews 6:4–6

—LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 15:03, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

Trump's legal strategy

Trump as the nominee is a nightmare for the Republican Party. I can only hope that somebody sobers up soon. Even though Trump got a sympathetic judge for the Mar-a-Largo classified documents case, it seems that he is not even trying to win the case in legal terms. Instead, he is running out the clock. The only way that makes sense is if he believes he will be reelected and can appoint an attorney general who will then drop the case. This is pure fantasy. To pull it off, he would need to win not only the presidency, but also control of the U.S. Senate. He could easily end up with a Jeff-Sessions type attorney general who will step aside while Special Counsel Jack Smith continues to pursue his various prosecutions. "Hillary did it too!" is not a legal defense. There are also cases against Trump about election interference in Fulton County, Georgia, as well as the E. Jean Carroll defamation case.

A conviction will be a game changer. 62 percent of Americans say Trump shouldn't be allowed to serve if convicted of a "serious crime." Biden thinks prosecuting Trump is a winning strategy, and he is going to push it all the way. According to RCP, it's currently 43.8 Biden to 43.6 Trump. If it is a close election and comes down to Maricopa or some other fraud-ridden county, the Dems are going to cheat.

Trump talks as if being cheated in 2020 is a qualification. What we need is someone with a track record of cracking down on election fraud, not someone who whines about it. In short, if Trump doesn't drop out and endorse someone who can win, he is going to prison.

The MSM has been weirdly focused on Florida lately. If you go by the polls, Trump's coronation as nominee is just a formality. Yet DeSantis remains the real enemy. PeterKa (talk) 10:12, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

Agreed. Trumps legal strategy is going nowhere. He has no plan. I have a better legal strategy for him: De Santis wins, pardons President Trump, President Trump continues to live freely and happily in his home and with his family, and can advice Presidents at his leisure if he wants to. It's thus in his own interest to be on good terms with De Santis, and not try to totally destroy him or anything. Instead, let's hear about the respective policy positions of the two candidates and look at their Respective Governance Records: Trump increased the National Debt by nearly 8 Trillion Dollars, while Governor De Santis ran record Budget Surpluses in Florida. A no brainer here. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 14:05, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

After 2024, 270 to win is forecasting a Senate with 50 Republicans, 47 Democrats, and 3 toss ups. There will be Republican senators who won't want the charges, whatever they are, dropped. Trump can't work with DeSantis, but he will be able to swing a deal with Mitt Romney? Trump can drop out and play elder statesman at a Republican White House. That's the classy way to exit politics.

This article is another legal analysis that confirms the one in the OP: Trump's strategy is all about delaying the case until after the election. It is less detailed, but it is also an easier read. Surely Trump's best chance of winning the presidency would be a triumphant "not guilty" verdict just before the election. Judge Aileen Cannon in Florida is the most favorable judge that Trump is ever likely to get. All the same, the smart money assumes that he won't win the case: "ELECTION INTERFERENCE: Biden DOJ Seeks December Trial Date in Classified Docs Case – On Eve of Iowa Republican Caucuses."

Where is the A-G nominee who is going to drop the charges against Trump? It is a safe bet that the Senate will require the nominee to recuse himself, as Sessions did in 2017. I can only hope that Trump's appeal as a candidate will decline when voters realize that he now views the presidency primarily as a get-out-of-jail-free card. PeterKa (talk) 23:54, July 16, 2023 (EDT)

Completely agree with you, Peter. Wrote this Essay on the debt thing: De Santis has a long term plan to reshape America's Major Courts as well. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 00:30, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

If Judge Cannon goes along with Trump's requests, he could be convicted while in office and serve a sentence at the end of his term. That would be wild. PeterKa (talk) 01:01, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

With all the Joe Biden top secret documents mishandled and all the bribery by foreign governments to Joe Biden, is Joe Biden running for president to the bitter end to delay or avoid being prosecuted? With all the Joe Biden top secret documents mishandled does Joe Biden and the Democrats have the chutzpah to prosecute Donald Trump regarding his handling of top secret documents? Will Joe Biden pardon his family members of crimes? Does the GOP has the chuzpah to impeach Joe Biden, Merrick Garland and Alejandro Mayorkas? We shall see what time will reveal. Conservative (talk) 20:27, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

The cases of Hilary, Biden, Garland, and the rest should all be examined by prosecutors with charges brought if appropriate. The treatment of Hunter is especially outrageous, assuming the judge confirms his plea deal. As far as Trump is concerned, whataboutism is not a legal defense. The Presidential Records Act allows him to take home White House and Executive Office records until the National Archive asks for them back, but not those of the Defense Department or other agencies. PeterKa (talk) 23:37, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

My faith that the U.S. justice system treats federal politicians impartially died when President Gerald Ford pardoned Richard Nixon. And I don't think that faith will be resurrected given what I have seen during the Obama/Biden/Trump administrations. I think it will come down to politics. Hence, I wrote what I wrote in my previous post above. Conservative (talk) 23:49, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

If I am ever on a secret taxpayer-funded trip, I'll have to remember to steal some luggage

I don't want make it all about me, but I slept more soundly knowing that America's nuclear waste was under the capable management of tranny-sexual-freakazoid Sam Brinton: "Non-binary ex-Biden official Sam Brinton was on secret taxpayer-funded trip at time of luggage theft." PeterKa (talk) 11:06, July 17, 2023 (EDT)