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If anyone wants to get in contact with the former Conservapedia editor User:Philip J. Rayment, I have his contact information

Montana is Philip Rayment wife's dog.

If anyone wants to get in contact with the former Conservapedia editor/Administrator User:Philip J. Rayment, I have his contact information.

I will need to get his permission of course before giving it out to someone of course. Conservative (talk) 20:15, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

Addressing extraneous matters

LT, I suggest you actually address what I wrote next time. I never said that Ukraine doesn't have a neo-Nazi problem. I explicitly said that they do albeit not as big as RobS and Putin state. Next, I will never adhere to some of your bizarre and/or errant theological positions which are not biblically sound (If one does careful Bible exegesis) and/or ahistorical and are promulgated by a church which has a very low retention rate (Namely, the Seventh-day Adventist Church).

As far as RationalWiki (RW) goes, they are a bunch of cowards who fail to support their various contentions and heavily censor their wiki as evidenced by their low edits to blocked editor accounts ratio at a wiki. But that censorship comes at a price. For example, they have had two distinct drop trends in their web traffic historically. The first occurred in the latter part of 2019 due to Google devaluing their search results in a big way. The second trend of lower and lower web traffic occurred right after they supposedly permabanned me (By breaking their own rule that said a vote of 66% is required to permaban someone. Nevertheless, I occasionally create sockpuppet accounts as of late). Now their website is becoming blander and blander due to their insipid and boring secular leftist pablum that less and less people want to read.

Lastly, you can rail over and over about my alleged copypastas/spam, but that doesn't negate the fact that my content still gets a lot of views (For example, Conservapedia:Atheism articles statistics) and that my content has been cited by a number of notable conservative organizations/individuals (Concerned Women of America, etc.) and conservative/liberal news outlets such as the Chicago Tribune, etc. Conservative (talk) 13:57, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

LT, please stay focused on the topic subheading. Other matters such as RW or Sheol, and personal criticism, only derail discussion. Thanks. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:07, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
LT has become nastier and nastier towards me ever since I accepted some of his requests to debate theological matters related to Seventh-day Adventist Church. If he didn't want to hear contrary theologically views, he should have never asked me to debate. I did debate him cordially so his nastiness towards me is unwarranted. Now I don't bother accepting his theological debate offers and it is partly due to his nastiness. Conservative (talk) 14:16, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
Those debates and discussions should be confined to the appropriate threads and pages, and not spill over into discussion on unrelated topics. Both you guys need to show restraint on that matter. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:18, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
To reply to Conservative, my bold polemics in debates over Christian theology began not a result of his initial willingness to debate, rather much before then. Furthermore, my "nastiness" is not because of his initial willingness, but later unwillingness to have an in-depth discussion despite his persistence to share his preferred topics in voice calls.
In response to RobSmith, you yourself have derailed numerous discussions in the past. In Talk:Markan priority, when I brought up an insight on the ordering of events between the Synoptic Gospels which indicates Markan priority over the Augustinian hypothesis, you turned the discussion into yet another inefficient debate over the Sabbath. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Tuesday, 15:39, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
Sorry. I'm an idiot. Please forgive me. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:43, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
LT, I didn't want to go over and over the same theological topics in debate. Upon your request, I debated you before on those same topics. And for those theological issues, I didn't have a strong interest in debating you on those topics the first time. So there was not enough interest on my part to do a second round of debate on those same topics. Conservative (talk) 17:14, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
[EC] Around one-thirds to half of the time in those debates, you merely posted the opinions of external sites and barely formulated conclusive, Bible-based arguments yourself. And much of those points employed logical fallacies, such as presuming the validity of a doctrine based on majority opinion, i.e. "soul sleep is rejected by Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox Christians," etc.
Given how much you've written about Christianity on this site as a presumed expert, surely you would understand these doctrinal differences through and through? After all, what's the point of Christianity if it's merely reduced to ecumenical accommodation without doctrinal rigidity? What use is promoting Christianity through SEO internet evangelism if you ultimately propagate a watered-down variant which ultimately does not save "converts" from destruction because, let's say, the sites whose traffic you increase promote dangerous doctrines like once saved, always saved? Got Questions Ministries and CARM promote that line of thought. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Tuesday, 17:19, May 30, 2023 (EDT)
I have never said I was an expert in Christianity at this website or anywhere else. So if you presumed that I am an expert in Christianity that was your choice. But being a Christian, I do have a high interest in Christianity. Most of my content on this website was on atheism, creation/evolution and homosexuality. At this juncture, I rarely think about homosexuality and my interest in the topic of atheism has greatly waned. Conservative (talk) 17:32, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

Also, I gave you a list of religious forums to discuss the theological topics you wanted to discuss with someone so you have no legitimate reason to be angry at me let alone be nasty at me. Conservative (talk) 18:32, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

Something about Reuters, Russia, and Republicans

Spreading the LGBT movement to Ukraine? It's already in Ukraine. Anyways, I hope a Republican wins in the 2024 presidential election and a frozen conflict or armistice is worked out and US military funding to Ukraine is cut out or at least cut down. But if the war drags on for years, I would not be surprised. Both Ukraine/Russia have poor leadership and populations that are unlikely to develop thriving societies that will greatly have both peace and prosperity in the future. Conservative (talk) 13:22, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
Russia faces shrinking middle class, rising inequality, study finds":
"Russia's middle class will shrink as social inequality grows over coming years, an economic study conducted by Russian experts suggested, as sanctions against Moscow and limited growth potential scupper development prospects...
Russia's economy proved unexpectedly resilient in the face of tough Western sanctions last year, but a return to pre-conflict levels of prosperity may be far off as more government spending is directed towards the military.
The study's most optimistic scenario sees real incomes exceeding 2021 levels by around 2% in 2030 and poverty dropping below 10% from 11.8% in 2022. In that scenario, the size of the middle class would still drop to 14%-31% by 2030 from current estimates of 20%-50%." Conservative (talk) 13:35, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis updates

De Santis signs "strongest anti semitism bill in the United States".

Lol, look how he refutes the false accusation of the lib dems. Rob, you listening? De Santis is Pro-Israel and Anti-Nazi, Period. Those "protestors" were probably lib dem plants in the first place, perhaps funded by left-winger Soros or some such Anti-American people.

"Florida Governor Ron DeSantis on Thursday signed a bill described by one of its co-sponsors as “the strongest antisemitism bill in the United States...” https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/04/27/florida-gov-ron-desantis-signs-antisemitism-bill/ NishantXavierFor Christ the King 23:24, June 11, 2023 (EDT)

No, I'm not listening. I'm paying attention the BS coming out of the MSM, like you do. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
See, your arguments make no sense. You pay no attention to facts and critical thinking, and are swayed by emotion and MSM BS. So when the MSM goes against your boy, what difference does it make? RobSGive Peace a chance 00:07, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

See, my arguments refute yours, and make complete sense. You claimed some Nazi Anti-Semites may be supporting De Santis. I showed even if they support him, he doesn't support them, and condemned Anti-Semitism in a strong bill. Leave aside whether they were actual Nazis or Dem plants. As for the leftist media, the media is AGAINST De Santis now, if you haven't realized, especially after he's started doing so well in the polls. We are fighting against the leftist media, and leftists everywhere, yet we will persevere, work hard, and win by God's Grace. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:14, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

That does not matter, what you or I think. What matters is what MSM reports (basically, DNC talking points) which gullible people like yourself swallow wholesale and cannot be reasoned with. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:31, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Right back at you. You swallow DNC propaganda against De Santis and then blame me for pointing it out. Not going to keep debating with you, but simply preach the Truth and move on. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:34, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Not really. If you've actually been following, I've been silent on DeSantis and pretty much the upcoming primaries. Trump I only cite in relation to the Biden DOJ's abuses. Confidentially, I'm appalled at the anti-DeSantis and anti-Trump accusations being hurled back and forth 7 months before voting even starts.
The focus right now should be on educating the public about Ukrainian Nazism and the Kyiv puppet regime. It's far too early for electioneering when people are ignorant about the facts of what is happening in the world right now. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Your "focus" can be on that. Since I obviously don't agree with you, my "focus" will be on different things, like Russian Neo-Stalinism.

As for it being too early, I don't agree with that either. Christian Conservatives should demand, at minimum, 6 week pro-life protections, especially because 55% would be ok with that (see below). Trump has refused to commit to that. Too bad. Christians/Conservatives then need to unite behind another Candidate, and De Santis obviously stands out. Trump calling himself "the Father of the Vaccine" and other issues also matter. You have freedom of speech to believe and say what you want. I have equal freedom to post other things I think are important.NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:13, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

You are deceived. "Neo-Stalinism" is Nazi propaganda you bit off wholesale. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:16, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
You are going to look awfully foolish if come the fall of 2024 Trump is running against Biden's support for Nazism. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:23, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
RobSGive Peace a chance 02:38, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

I care about saving lives and helping people. I'm not concerned about what you or anyone else thinks. Only what God thinks.

I'd rather fight a good fight and not win then do nothing and just complain about LGBT, as you do. De Santis will stop that. 02:39, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Your Ukraine Nazi buddies murdered 14,000 people before Putin's special military operation intervened; Christians are concerned about truth, yet you don't want to hear it. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:48, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

The Kremlin has lied so often its lies are not credible anymore. They claimed they wanted to save "Russian speakers", then burnt Mariupul, predominantly Russian speaking, to the ground. The Kremlin has caused over 10 MN to suffer: "Since then, more than 8 million Ukrainians have registered as refugees in Europe and another 5.3 million have become internally displaced, according to the U.N. refugee agency. But these statistics reflect only a small part of the struggle civilians are going through." https://www.npr.org/sections/pictureshow/2023/04/20/1160074401/ukraine-russia-war-refugees-displaced-people You refuse to see the Kremlin is on the evil side in this fight, and Ukrainian Self-Defense is 100% Justified. Gonna shake the dust off my feet after this response to you on this subject, as you don't have the ears to hear the Truth. "He who hath ears, let him hear". NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:51, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

LOL, NPR.
Here's the facts: Russia did not interfere in the 2016 elections - Ukraine did, and blamed Russia. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
See for yourself: the Greenie weenies, the German war party backing Ukraine, "God is queer". I hope your comfortable with your neo-nazi allies. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:02, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis Allies set up a school to train a $100 Million door knocking Army

Things looking better and better than ever for De Santis. I predict he will both beat the Donald (Duck) and go on to beat Biden. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/16/desantis-door-knocking-super-pac/ NishantXavierFor Christ the King 01:33, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

I saw that someone posted on the news page that African leaders complained America under Biden was promoting LGBT. Yes, it's a problem, but De Santis is the only one who can stop it. Btw, that's not a reason to support Commie China. Commie China was responsible for Covid through callous negligence and Africa is one of the Continents that suffered most because of Covid. Someone should tell the leaders that. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 01:33, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, so now China is responsible for covid and not Fauci or the NIH; next you're going to tell us Russia blew up the Nordstream pipeline; destroyed the Kakhova dam, shelled itself at the Zaporozhe nuclear power plant, and committed the Bucha massacre. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:43, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
Hey, guys. Long time no talk. I took a sabbatical back in February for personal reasons, but I've been frequently visiting and observing since then.
I'm now breaking my sabbatical to thank RobSmith for being the first admin (that I know of) to openly admit what I'd been saying all along: that America, not China, is responsible for COVID. I'd personally go further and accuse the CIA of being behind the Wuhan lab leak and framing CCP in order to create a justification for a future Sino-American war, but that's technically a seperate issue for debate.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)
Welcomer back, sincerely. Let me humbly also confess, your points on the The Grand Chessboard were prophetic at the time. And your discussions of NATO terrorism and Mike Pompeo have also given me cause to pause and think in the intervening months, as well. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:27, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

Where did Covid come from? Where is Wuhan located? Why did the Chinese Communist Party lie about it? China lied, People died, and the world bled. Yes, Fauci is also responsible, for his dictatorial Covid policies which De Santis courageously opposes, while Trump calls himself "Father of the Vaccine" and supported Fauci. I choose Freedom over Faucism, I choose De Santis over Trump, I choose Democracy over Communism.NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:03, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

From your link: "Nearly 1 million Americans have died.[6]

Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), told CNN that he believes the virus escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) lab in China. “I do not believe this somehow came from a bat to a human.”[7]"

Who is responsible for those 1 MN American deaths, plus millions of others around the world? The CCP. Own it.

"Why does this matter? Because for years, the mainstream media dismissed the lab leak as a conspiracy theory, and as a result, the Chinese Communist Party and the Wuhan Institute of Virology were allowed to deny, deny, deny, while the virus ravaged the entire globe and killed millions of people ...

That is why I introduced the resolution to force the communist China to accept responsibility for its gross deception and mishandling of the coronavirus outbreak. If the Administration won’t stand up for the American people, the People’s House must.

Moreover, the United States’ response to the pandemic has cost trillions of dollars. China shouldn’t just be made to take responsibility for the pandemic, the CCP should pay for it. My bill would empower the U.S. to withhold payments on debt owed to China equal to the amount spent on pandemic response.

China lied, and people died. It’s time that China faces the consequences." https://mast.house.gov/china-debt NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:05, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You are simply brainwashed to accept American xenophobic propaganda about any nation or people anywhere in the world. RobSGive Peace a chance 02:21, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
Thank you RobSmith for admitting another thing I'd been saying all along: That much of what we hear in the news about China is neocon propaganda designed into conditioning us into supporting Brzezinski's xenophobic and genocidal "Eurasian Balkans" project.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:18, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

That's Commie Propaganda, that opposing Commie Dictators/Terrorists like Mao or Xi is "xenophobic". I stand with the good Chinese people suffering under Communism and like Pope St. John Paul II, Ronald Raegan, Lech Walesa and others, want to liberate them from Communism.

"Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with—by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear." https://www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zedong-mass-murder Communism is responsible for 100 MN+ Deaths. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:48, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Sorry, but you're in bed with totalitarian fascists who have destroyed American democracy. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:30, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Simple Projection on your part. I stand with De Santis, and De Santis will help take down those Covidian and Totalitarian Fascists you're in bed with. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 04:17, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Where did DeSantis get $100 million from? RobSGive Peace a chance 08:18, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
Trump we know is his own man. He spends his own money. He can't be bought. DeSantis Megadonor, Billionaire Head of Citadel Investments Ken Griffin, Explains Why He Purchased Ron DeSantis for 2024 and What He Expects from His Investment. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:27, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
RobSGive Peace a chance 08:56, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, I got ahead of myself. In response to the "$100 million door knocking campaign", we have these two reports from months ago:
A bought-and-paid for mob by globalists and multinational corporate donors is not really a grassroots operation. It's more akin to a Soros Foundation/NED color revolution. RobSGive Peace a chance 09:27, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
The technical terms are Hertz-Rent-A-Mob or Astroturf. RobSGive Peace a chance 09:31, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Trump sided with Disney in its efforts to corrupt kids with the LGBT Agenda against De Santis. That should tell you all you need to know about whose cause is righteous and whose is wicked, but unfortunately you don't have eyes to see. I suggest you stop cussing/swearing so much and praying much more. Pray and read the Word for at least 1-2 hours a day, and more on weekends. Ask God to give you Wisdom and guide you. Trump also criticized De Santis on his 6 Week Abortion Heart Beat Bill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qecgxM-ErcU Trump did some ok things last time around, but his time has passed, and his recent stances are very problematic, including supporting Disney. De Santis will never bow to Child Genital Mutilation supporting Disney, no matter how many 100s of Millions of Dollars anyone throws at him, or the Woke Mob, and he has a large number of supporters, including wealthy ones. They have perfect right to support their Conservative Candidate.NishantXavierFor Christ the King 09:41, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Why should I believe you about Trump and Disney? I don't know, I didn't follow whatever it is your talking about, and you have a habit of using the same sources of information that lied about Donald Trump for the past 8 years. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:32, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
My apologies, but I have more pressing issues with moral considerations and consequences than Mickey Mouse and Disney. Somebody's gotta do it, because you sure aren't doing it. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:34, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

A 20 second Google Search would have shown you, certainly less than the time it took you to give those 10 or so links above: "Gov. Ron DeSantis said by attacking him over his campaign against Disney, former President Donald Trump is "taking the side" of a multinational corporation sexualizing children.

"When he’s taking Disney’s side against me, I just kind of wonder. OK, I get that he wants to hit me, but don’t take the side of a multinational corporation that wants to sexualize kids," DeSantis said" NishantXavierFor Christ the King 11:49, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Ooooh, now I understand. Trump and others criticized the DeSantis Admin mishandling of the lawsuit with Disney. That is not the same as "Trump sided with Disney." Man, you are never going to make it as a bona fide propagandist if you keep getting hoodwinked by BS. RobSGive Peace a chance 12:02, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
This evidently is what you are talking about: Team DeSantis Say They Have Been Hoodwinked by Disney Inc. as Orlando Board Changed Covenants Before New Officials Appointed:
"Days before the five DeSantis appointees showed up to take control of Walt Disney World zoning board in Orange County, the former board held a public hearing to codify pre-existing rules and covenants extending for “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England living as of the date of the declaration.” Essentially, the new board is moot, except for deciding on roadways and bridges.
As a result, a long and protracted legal battle is now anticipated, which will likely cost Florida taxpayers millions in lawyer fees as the appointees of the board try and challenge the construct put into place prior to their arrival."
So apparently we caught you in a red-handed lie. Some might call it an "exaggeration." But now I have cause to doubt if you really care at all about victims of the LGBT agenda and genital mutilation. RobSGive Peace a chance 12:20, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

Nope, I spoke the Truth. Read this: "Florida's two most powerful Republican presidential hopefuls sparred on Memorial Day over Walt Disney World. Speaking on Fox & Friends show Monday morning, Gov. Ron DeSantis took former President Donald Trump to task for "taking the side of Disney in our fight down here in Florida." https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/politics/2023/05/30/memorial-day-sparring-between-desantis-trump-on-woke-disney/70267192007/ De Santis is the only one who has the Courage of Conviction to take on Woke Mob and Win. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 13:48, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

You have no evidence that Trump ever "sided with Disney." Period. I wouldn't call you a malicious liar, but rather naive with poor judgement and reading comprehension skills. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:49, June 17, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis calls out the blasphemies and LGBT promotion of the Anti-Catholic hate group, the Dodgers

Trump nowhere to be found in combating LGBT. Surprise, surprise. Just complaining American establishments, including the American military, sadly, under both Biden and Trump, promoted and promotes the LGBT Agenda, solves nothing. De Santis can fight it and win. The solution is Good Conservatives like him, not WokeSymps like Trump.

"Good on the thousands who showed up at Dodger Stadium to protest this anti-Catholic hate group.

The virtually empty stadium for the game itself was a powerful image – Americans are fed up with the nonsense and are fighting back."

https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1670140388684840961

“We’re hoping that the Dodgers will see the amount of Catholics and Christians showing up here today peacefully,” protestor Anthony Rodriguez told KTLA outside of the stadium. “We’re showing that we’re not budging. We’ve drawn a line in the sand and we’re putting our faith first.” https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/dodgers-sisters-of-perpetual-indulgence-event-draws-thousands-of-protesters/ NishantXavierFor Christ the King 08:07, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

For the Dodger's game in question, the Dodgers recorded an attendance of 49,074, slightly higher than its league-leading average of 47,800.[6] But the attendance for the pre-game anti-Catholic group that was pro-LGBTQ was a pretty empty stadium.[7] Conservative (talk) 08:44, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
Overtime, the pro-gay and pro-abortion blue states will lose electoral college votes relative to various red states because they are having a lower level of births plus many people are leaving their states to move to red states. Conservative (talk) 08:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
Right now, the political betting websites say DeSantis has a 23% chance of winning the GOP primary while Trump has a 63.4% chance of winning the GOP primary.[8] And the website that compiles these statistics has a pretty good batting average in terms of their forecasts being right.[9] Conservative (talk) 08:55, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Nice Info, Cons. Thank you. Good to know. God Bless. Of course, I expect that 23% will increase in time as De Santis campaigns more. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 09:50, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

There's a major contradiction here: both you guys supposedly oppose the spreading of the LGBT movement, yet both you guys firmly support spreading it to Ukraine. Some might call that hypocrisy. I just call it being misinformed and misguided. Until you reconcile that difference between foreign and domestic policy, you both will be just spinning your wheels, unable to build a coalition to move forward. These posts are just flatulence. RobSGive Peace a chance
Spreading the LGBT movement to Ukraine? It's already in Ukraine. Anyways, I hope a Republican wins in the 2024 presidential election and a frozen conflict or armistice is worked out and US military funding to Ukraine is cut out or at least cut down. But if the war drags on for years, I would not be surprised. Conservative (talk) 13:59, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
How did the LGBT movement get in Ukraine? Oh, that's right. With money from the Soros Open Society Foundation that Soros received from the US Agency for International Development, according to the CIA's color revolution playbook. I forgot. But never mind; interfering in another country' domestic affairs is illegal under international law, just as invading another country is supposedly illegal, as well. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:48, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
Ukraine gained its independence in 1991. I suspect its Western drift likely grew after the fall of the Soviet Union and further accelerated after its independence.
I hope this clarifies things for you. Conservative (talk) 22:16, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
Ukraine's Western drift was well underway when Ukrainian nationalists (whom the record will show in MPR/talk Archives that you praised as heroes a year ago) when they allied with Hitler to slaughter Jews, Russians, and Poles. When Galicia was part of the Polish, Austrian, and German Empires long before is when "Ukraine" (a misnomer) drifted to the West began. It never gave up its language, alphabet, or allegiance to the Orthodox Church. It never bent the knee to the Pope, or became Romanized under Polish hegemony; it never embraced Northen German Protestantism under the Prussian state, and never embraced Austrian Catholicism, either.) Under Clinton and the neocons however, it did begin embracing gay rights and atheism, and under Obama, with the help of the CIA, it saw a resurgence of its Russophobic Nazi past. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:04, June 20, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis channels Churchill: we will fight [the Woke] in education, in the halls of Congress

"DeSantis: As president, I'll recognize that the woke mind virus represents a war on the truth so we will wage a war on the woke. We will fight the woke in education, we will fight the woke in corporations, we will fight the woke in the halls of congress, we will never ever surrender to the woke mob ... we will leave Woke Ideology on the Dustbin of History" https://twitter.com/i/status/1665086349483835392

Churchill had said of the Nazis: "I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once more able to defend our island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty's Government – every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.

Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." This is what Good Leaders do. Churchill did, De Santis is doing it in Florida, and will do it across America if he is elected. And not only in America, America has more influence on NATO than any other single country. The ideology that dominates America will dominate NATO too. That's why it's so deadly if Woke Ideology dominates America but so incredibly positive for us Conservative Christians if Conservative Christian ideology is dominant, as De Santis will do. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:19, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting Churchill quote. Too bad you don't understand it. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:51, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
"The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause". Here's a clue: As late as 2012 when the Syrian regime change operation was under way, Wikipedia literally still reported "Syria won its independence in 1941 from France when France liberated Syria from France." RobSGive Peace a chance 15:50, June 19, 2023 (EDT)
But answering that question gets into the weeds a little bit, and how propaganda from World War II, that were lies then are lies today. Look at this fact: both the British Empire and Third French Republic were destroyed in WWII, relegated to the ash heap of history, never to arise again. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:02, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Trump has lost six points in Republican voter polls to De Santis

Boom! Give it another 2 months, especially after the 1st Republican Presidential Debate, and I predict De Santis will be ahead of Trump. https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/donald-trump-loses-6-points-in-republican-voter-polls-following-indictment-report-101687314137749.html

Also, noteworthy, De Santis beats Biden. Trump does not: "Joe Biden trails Ron DeSantis 43% to 44% at present, according to the DailyMail.com/J.L. Partners survey ...In a hypothetical general election matchup, President Joe Biden has a slight lead over Trump 48 - 44 percent among all registered voters" https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/ron-desantis-fares-better-against-joe-biden-than-donald-trump-in-2024-contest-for-white-house-poll-shows-101687136521996.html NishantXavierFor Christ the King 16:18, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

For those who claim De Santis needs to wait till 2028, if he did, Trump will lose, and then maybe run again in 2028? No, De Santis 2024.NishantXavierFor Christ the King 16:19, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, it's interesting how many fake polls and astroturf $100 million can buy. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:30, June 21, 2023 (EDT)
But I do wish to thank you and congratulate you on finding a news source that I would regard as more neutral and independent versus the blatant CIA & Nazi agitprop sources you've been in the habit of using. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:38, June 21, 2023 (EDT)

Trump support dips below 50% in latest poll

De Santis would almost certainly beat him in a head-to-head contest. Whether he can do so in a crowded field remains to be seen.

"In the latest poll, Trump received 47% of the vote, compared to 52% in the same poll one month prior in May.

The poll also asked respondents whether they would consider voting for a candidate or never consider voting for a candidate. Those who would consider voting for Trump remained the same at 31% from May. Those who said they would never vote for Trump went up from 16% in May to 23% in the latest poll." https://www.benzinga.com/general/politics/23/06/32937442/trump-support-dips-below-50-in-key-poll-is-an-overcrowded-field-hurting-odds-for-desantis NishantXavierFor Christ the King 10:26, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Why does a nationwide poll of random adults not identified as Republican primary voters matter?
Never mind. I know the answer. Propaganda, intended for brainless boobs.
A nationwide poll of random adults not identified as Republican primary voters is basically an apples and oranges argument. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:07, June 22, 2023 (EDT)
You are even ignoring the history here. It's only June 2023. In late 2015, CNN gave Trump approximately $2 billion in free airtime with fake polls to promote Trump under the theory that Trump would be the easiest GOP candidate to beat, given Hillary's baggage and the fact that she was under criminal investigation by Comey and Strozk at that time, while dedicating no airtime to Hillary's criminal investigation. We've known since Trump won in 2016 that CNN will spare no efforts in lies to defeat Trump again, as it did in the 2020 election.
Basically, if I were DeSantis and you were my campaign manager, I'd fire you for having such an openly disdainful attitude toward the stupidity of the American voter. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:18, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

How silly. It's you who would be fired. You didn't even read properly before going off on your rant: "Overall, 47% of Republicans and Republican-leaning registered voters say Trump is their first choice for the party’s nomination for president, down from 53% in a May CNN poll. Support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis held steady at 26% in the latest poll" https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment-republicans-2024/index.html (1) They are Republican and Republican leaning registered voters (2) Support is down 5-6 points in the same poll (3) that too in only one month (4) so imagine 2 or 3 months from now (5) they show that Trump's support is on a downward trajectory. It's very clear you are not interested in beating the LGBT Agenda, in fact you have no clue how you would even begin go about beating it. We who do will continue to support De Santis. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 14:27, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

My apologies. You're right. It's CNN. I didn't read it. I assumed "random adults" meant "random adults". RobSGive Peace a chance 14:40, June 22, 2023 (EDT)
Question: "random adults" would include non-voting illegal immigrants, wouldn't it? RobSGive Peace a chance 14:47, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis Helped Conceal The Truth About Jeffrey Epstein’s Sex Crimes In Florida

Hmm, is this MPR-worthy? RobSGive Peace a chance 13:35, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis with Kayleigh McEnany on Fox

[pls leave this at the bottom of the page if possible. only the interviews, rest can go on top. thanx]

McEnany was a big time supporter of Trump last time. She's keeping her options open this time, like many others, and likes De Santis a lot.

This is a hoax:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqYkfZ4XKHs

The Anti-Woke Majority is getting stronger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcCMKUtOkg4

It's simple. If you care about defeating Woke, De Santis is objectively the best Candidate there is. That's true on mask/vaccine mandates/Covidianism as a whole as well. "Live Free or Die", right? NishantXavierFor Christ the King 17:19, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Sundance of the Conservativetreehouse just did an interesting hit piece on DeSantis. You should read it, so at least you are prepared for what may be coming. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:28, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

I'll give it a read. Meanwhile, listen to these two interviews, this time of Trump:

"We have lost people because you supported the Jab" - Republican Voters to Trump https://twitter.com/i/status/1671600984059944960

"TRUMP: “For some reason” people don’t like the mRNA COVID shots.

Trump once again refuses to acknowledge any of the adverse effects." https://twitter.com/i/status/1671293882481483778 NishantXavier[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Chri

Nah, I don't follow these day-to-day events related to 2024 presidential election politics - I don't have to - Sundance (and a few others) keep me informed. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:41, June 22, 2023 (EDT)
(ec) Trump, DeSantis, even Biden don't interest me at all viv-a-vis as being 2024 candidates at the moment. I somewhat keep on eye on Biden cause when the psychosis finally breaks, we'll be stuck with Kamala for awhile. RFK Jr I promote cause he offers an alternative to Biden (but I don't need to hang on his every word). Zelensky makes me wanna puke, even just the site of him, so I handled his whole life and career in a few days back in February 2022. I am riveted moment-by-moment on the fate of Zelensky's two top Nazi advisors, Zaluzhny & Budanov. President Xi I pay little attention to, and will have to update some content sooner or later. President Putin on the other hand, I have to pay attention to every word spoken in public - cause you cannot get it in Western mainstream media, only lies that threaten my very existence and life on this planet. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:53, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Read your article. Very poorly argued. Take this: "The WHOLE reason DeSantis was the most popular Governor throughout his first term, was a CON; EVERY action he took as Governor, was a political calculation planned and intended to create the image of “the free State of Florida” and RDS as “Trump lite”."

Rebuttal: (1) De Santis isn't Trump lite; he is his own man, it's his contrast with Trump, e.g. his strong opposition to the LGBT Agenda, and Vaccine Mandates, that makes his candidacy so interesting; (2) De Santis is a Solid Pro-Life Conservative, he's enacted a 6 week Abortion Heartbeat Ban. (3) De Santis has Military Service, Trump does not. I could go on. The contrast between the two is very evident. We are not trying to destroy D. Trump, btw, he can continue to live in Florida, and De Santis will almost certainly pardon him if he is indicted or something. But we are clear-eyed on the need to defeat him in the Primaries in order for Anti-LGBT, 6 week pro life bills etc to become part of the National Republican Agenda. That's because De Santis and Trump represent two very different agendas of conservatism. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 17:45, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

"he is his own man" - No he's not. He's owned by the people who gave him $100 million for an astroturf door knocking campaign, per your own source. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:53, June 22, 2023 (EDT)
Look, I understand what's going on here. It's a generational thing. The Millennial generation is the majority now and wants to take over. We boomers went through the same thing when we had to wait for Papa Bush and Bob Dole to get out of the way (while the "Best and the Brightest" of our generation - Bill Clinton & Baby Bush carved our footprints into the sands of time).
If Trump weren't running, I'd probably be behind DeSantis 100%. They only thing is, Trump is the only candidate in about 40 years who understands the problems and what needs to be done, whereas DeSantis is part of the problems that have plagued the American political system for as long as I can remember. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:04, June 22, 2023 (EDT)
I'm a millennial, and I wouldn't back DeSantis even if Trump weren't in the race. I'd vote third party before voting for that man.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:34, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

With the release of Matt Walsh's "What is a Woman" exposing the Trans LGBT Agenda, and its huge audience of millions of viewers, following a retweet by Elon Musk, the momentum and opportunity of a lifetime is here to rise up and banish the Woke Agenda forever. De Santis did it in Florida, he can do it across America. Unfortunately, under Trump, America continued to promote LGBT policies, even pushing other nations to do so. America has vast international influence also, whether on Europe or even beyond. The ideology that dominates America will, in large measure, dominate or be influential in much of the world. That's why I'm paying attention to it, and praying God's Will be done. Let's see how it goes. The more I hear/see from De Santis, the more I like it. You can't run or be a credible candidate without being able to raise some money. But De Santis is not owned by anyone, his not backing down on Disney and being strongly anti-woke shows that. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 18:23, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Now you raise some interesting and valid points. I fear tho you don't quite understand the problem. And the president is not a messiah.
  • Unfortunately, under Trump, America continued to promote LGBT policies, even pushing other nations to do so. BINGO. Now, can you explain why that is so? RobSGive Peace a chance 18:32, June 22, 2023 (EDT)


Speaking of Matt Walsh: "Ep. 1183 - The Plot By LGBT Activists To Stigmatize Sanity And Normalcy" https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1671965419417264128 NishantXavierFor Christ the King 18:24, June 22, 2023 (EDT)

Lemme 'splain how we got here. In 1980, Ronald Reagan was the oldest person ever elected president at the age of 70 cause the boomer generation - then between 25-35 - of which there were many (why they call them boomers) and a clear majority was the generation of sex, drugs, rock n' roll. So the World War II generation wasn't ready to hand over leadership to its irresponsible children. Boomers even agreed. It was another 12 years before a boomer, then in his 40s, was elected president.
What were the first things boomers did when they took over the White House? Answer: (1) 'gays in the military'; (2) 'medical marijuana'. The rest is history.
'Gays in the military' incrementally became today's transgender movement; 'medical marijuana' incrementally became full scale drug 'decriminalization' and legalization. (A little leaven leaventh the whole lump.)
Moral of the story: Don't be peeing your pants because of the age difference and a bunch of old fuddy duddies clinging to power. Understand how we got to where gay marriage is now a constitutional, God-given right that even an elected president cannot take away. And why the United States blackmails foreign countries with sanctions as "human rights abusers" if they do not decriminalize homosexuality or allow gay marriage. Your blind support for Ukrainian fascism tells me you don't understand anything about presidential politics, or the American political process. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:18, June 23, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis gets it on Covid/Commie CCP/Deep State/Fauci/Mask Mandates/Vaccine Mandtes Everything

Proof: "Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis took former White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci to task in Iowa Friday over his actions during the COVID-19 pandemic, saying he and other elites “lied about the lab leak” theory and must “be held accountable.”

“We know now today,” DeSantis, 44, told attendees at a Davenport event promoting his new book, “The Courage to be Free,” “the elites were wrong about lockdowns; they were wrong about forced masking; they were wrong about closing schools; they were wrong about denying natural immunity; they were wrong about the efficacy of mRNA shots; and they were wrong — and indeed they lied — about the lab leak.”

“They said it was natural — we know it came from that lab,” added DeSantis, who was joined by Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds, to cheers and applause from the crowd at the Rhythm City Casino Resort. “And I think we need some accountability here. Fauci needs to be held accountable. All these agencies. The CCP [Chinese Communist Party] ... “He needs to be held accountable,” DeSantis said on Feb. 28. “The lab leak, the lockdowns — he was wrong. Masks, he was wrong. School closures, he was wrong. He was wrong about the vax — saying you wouldn’t get COVID if you took it. He was wrong about passports.” And people wonder why I think De Santis can better represent our Conservative Cause than Trump can. It's plain. https://nypost.com/2023/03/10/anthony-fauci-lied-about-covid-lab-leak-ron-desantis/ NishantXavierFor Christ the King 18:31, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

From an editorial point of view, Conservapedia views DeSantis as being in bed with neo-fascist corporate conglomerates. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:02, June 29, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, you can't speak with authority about Conservapedia's editorial point of view because you have admitted that you are not a conservative. The most you can do is say that the owner of the website is anti-DeSantis. Conservative (talk) 23:52, June 29, 2023 (EDT)
Conserveativsim is not being stubborn and ignorant, per your definition. No, I am not stubborn and ignorant. That does not not make a conservative. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:20, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
Congratulations. You just derailed another conversation trying to educate Nishant about the dangers of neo-fascism and globalism. Good work. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:25, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
And you are wrong about this: "The most you can do is say that the owner of the website is anti-DeSantis." He is not "anti-DeSantis", he is anti globalist. i chalk up you error to your demonstrated poor reading comprehension skills. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:40, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
You supported totalitarian vaccine mandates, and hampered efforts to educate our readers on the subject. Don't talk to me about what is and what isn't conservative.
Time and again, you crumple up like a cheap suit in the face of published neo-fascist opinion polls. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:05, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
You compared vaccine mandates to mandatory seat belt laws. And it is evidence of one such ridiculous trolling thread on Talk:Main Page that you did not vandalize and Delete to cover up your absurd assertions. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:11, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
Mandatory smallpox vaccination came into effect in Britain and parts of the USA in the 1840s and 1850s, as well as in other parts of the world, leading to the establishment of the smallpox vaccination certificates required for travel.
"During the 1700s, smallpox raged through the American colonies and the Continental Army. Smallpox impacted the Continental Army severely during the Revolutionary War, so much so that George Washington mandated inoculation for all Continental soldiers in 1777. Just fifty-six years earlier, in 1721, Bostonian doctors and clergy introduced the procedure to the American colonies. Without the vision and determination of these early Bostonians in normalizing inoculation, Washington may not have made the decision to mandate inoculation for the Continental Army. Though it was a controversial action, many historians credit the medical mandate with the colonists’ victory in the Revolutionary War and the creation of the United States of America."[10]
"Washington, who had suffered from smallpox as a teenager, strongly believed in the effectiveness of inoculation and persuaded his wife to undergo the procedure in 1776 even as he forbade his troops from being inoculated, National Geographic reported.
Back then, the inoculation process was called variolation, named after the virus that causes smallpox — the variola virus.
It involved exposing people to the virus by scratching material from smallpox sores into their arms or having them inhale it, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Variolation was eventually replaced by vaccination after an English doctor named Edward Jenner noticed in 1796 that milkmaids who had gotten cowpox were immune to smallpox, according to the CDC. He guessed that exposure to cowpox could be used to protect people against smallpox and developed a vaccine."[11]
George Washington was a founding father of the USA. Conservative (talk) 03:45, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
Very good. So you were exposed to CDC brainwashing and propaganda during the 2020 pandemic and retain most, if not all of it, as scientific fact. Most of us would not wish to relive that nightmare, but in 2023 you retain faith and confidence in statism and the administrative state.
It's all part of your stubborn and ignorant conservative values. RobSGive Peace a chance 04:14, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, and Andy is not Putler, demanding everyone 'Sieg Heil' to your interpretation of what is intellectual discussion, which ain't up to snuff. RobSGive Peace a chance 04:28, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Donald Trump considers Operation Warp Speed to be one of his achievements and he was vaccinated and boosted. Besides being against George Washington's view of health care, are you also against Donald Trump's view of vaccination? Conservative (talk) 04:44, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

Trump knows Operation Warp Speed is one of his biggest vulnerabilities. Admit it, you used to fall asleep during Conservative class and that's why you hold ignorance as a sacred conservative value. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:10, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
June 2023: [12]
Trump: I really don’t want to talk about it because, as a Republican, it’s not a great thing to talk about, because for some reason it’s just not."
Bret Baier: “For some reason?”
Trump: “Yeah, for some reason. Because people love the vaccines and people hate the vaccines. But conservatives aren’t — And I understand both sides of it, by the way.”
Not you, you sound just as stubborn and ignorant as Kamala Harris on the matter of vaccines. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:36, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
Trump needs to hire you as a strategic consultant, and when the question of vaccines comes up, cover his ears and go, "LALALA! Not Listening! LALALAL!". That would prove he's a genuine conservative, wouldn't it, cause he clearly doesn't have a strategy to deal with the criticism about vaccines yet. RobSGive Peace a chance 12:40, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

De Santis now has 250 Endorsements from State Legislators

"This makes for 250 state legislators who have endorsed @RonDeSantis for president across the country."

https://twitter.com/BryanDGriffin/status/1674032381144059907 Looking stronger by the day, De Santis is. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 12:56, June 28, 2023 (EDT)

NATO/Ukraine

Ukrainian Catholic Priest explains the situation on the ground

This is from some time ago, but illuminating as to what's going on:

"I do not deny that globalists try to influence Ukrainian politics in various ways. But Russia is doing the same. Russian expansion politics are not better then American globalism for us. Russian media spread disinformation about life in Ukraine, in their country, and all around the world.

This war really started in 2014 and it was started by Russia, which occupied Crimea, then provoked separatist actions in Donetsk and Luhansk regions and supported them by the Russian army. There is not any justification of Russian military intervention in our country. If they wanted to prevent any danger from U.S. or NATO, why did they attack Ukraine instead of Alaska, for example?

The Russian-Ukrainian confrontation did not start in 2014. We have a very long history of conflicts for centuries. Let us remember for example the act of genocide of our people in 1932-1933, when millions of Ukrainians died in the artificial famine.

The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church also underwent several stages of liquidation and bloody persecution by the Russian Empire and the communist regime. The last of them lasted in western Ukraine from 1946 to 1989, when our Church existed in deep underground conditions.

There are many more such manifestations of Russian chauvinism. Russia brutally declares that it has a historical right to Ukrainian lands; its propaganda often sound theses that Ukrainians and Russians are one people, that the Ukrainian language is a dialect of Russian, etc.

Why does Archbishop Vigano not mention about Putin’s declaration in Munich 2008, that he considers the collapse of the Soviet Union the greatest world’s catastrophe of the 20th century? That declaration means he wants to restore the Soviet Union, to take Ukraine again under control of Russia.

I just want to show here the deep reason of Russian aggression towards Ukraine. Nobody may say that it is only confrontation between Russia and the globalist West, and Ukraine is just a battlefield.

The greatest insult to our people is the accusation of spreading Nazism. I will not refute here the Russian accusations repeated by Archbishop Viganо because it is not possible to do so within the framework of this interview. But the facts of this war show that it was Russian troops who acted like Nazis.

After the liberation from Russian occupancy of such cities as Bucha, Irpin, and Gostomel, hundreds of corpses of civilians were found there with traces of torture, the bodies of raped and killed women who they tried to burn.

On several occasions, the Russians did not allow humanitarian missions to enter Mariupol or other occupied cities to deliver food or evacuate civilians. This army, which came "to save the Russian-speaking population," almost wiped out Mariupol, a city of more than four hundred thousand people, mostly Russian-speaking.

Thanks again for your request.

Let God bless you!" https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/interview-priest-society-saint-josaphat-war-ukraine-73867 NishantXavierFor Christ the King 02:53, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

This page is for MPR content, not specious claims in support of globalist propaganda. If you can't find the appropriate article page to post this kind of spam, try the Conservapedia:Community Portal. Thank you. RobSGive Peace a chance 03:03, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Reasonably and amicably debating over the subject matter(s) covered on MPR appears appropriate to me. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Monday, 13:59, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
We've knocked down every single item listed in this letter on this talk page several times already, like Putin "considers the collapse of the Soviet Union the greatest world’s catastrophe of the 20th century" which refers to the fact that ethnic Russians are denied citizenship and voting rights in the "democratic" Baltic States, or that Russians were denied pensions in Ukraine, etc. etc. This quote is like Trump saying "very fine people", repeatedly used out of context. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:20, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Alright then, I have no objections if you are inclined to place collapse templates on NishantXavier's quote spamming for the purpose of efficiently saving space here. —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Monday, 15:30, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
I don't want to censor or squash debate at all; these discussions belong on the appropriate page in its appropriate place. Like User: Cons, it just gets tiring debunking the same lies over and over again with people willingly brainwashed by MSM Nazi propaganda who refuse to listen or apply critical thinking skills. They just haven't figured out that repeating the same lie 100 times won't make it anymore true now or 100 years from now. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:35, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

It was posted to document certain facts like the destruction of Mariupol, a town of 400,000 people, predominantly Russian speaking, which refutes the Russian lie that they want to "save Russian speakers". It's also from an Eastern Catholic Ukrainian Priest on the ground, so no one can say it is western propaganda from people far away. But ok. I will post smaller excerpts going forward, containing directly the relevant points. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 03:49, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Well, it's all BS that has been picked apart many times, Mariupol is being rebuilt, the residents there are Russian, and they are grateful for Russian liberation after 8 years of Azov Nazi terrorism. RobSGive Peace a chance 04:19, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Residents of Mariupol tell their stories of Ukrainian war crimes and murder in the immediate aftermath of the battle. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:59, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Okay, this video by Dougan you linked is quite eye-opening; so the recipients testify that the Russian Army provides aid to the city's residents while Ukrainians not only refuse to help, but shoot at them. And even liberal NBC reported on this, so it seems. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Monday, 13:55, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
The video earned Dougan a place on the Nazi kill list, which is why other reporters don't report the same thing. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:12, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
I see... alright then, you're so far doing well in convincing me that the Ukronazi threat justifies Putinism. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Monday, 15:15, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Like my new sig? —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Monday, 15:28, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Yah, looks good. And let me thank you for having the courage to take a moral stand publicly. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:31, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
I intend to stand for what's morally right even when it's not popular. —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Monday, 15:35, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Nobody's asking you to be a "Putin shill" or "Pro-Putin"; just focus on the truth of the Maidan regime and the lies of NATO. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:41, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Fair enough; just so you know, I still disagree with your general assessment that all Putin criticism is "Nazi propaganda," though I concur on the need to expose the evils of globalist Ukronazism. Say, we should be the first to start an official "Smash Ukrofascism" campaign. After all, where's Antifa when you actually need them? —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Monday, 15:44, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Antifa's aligned with LGBT and the child mutilation movement, per latest reports. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:50, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Note: "Nazi propaganda" is used in the same context that "Putin propaganda" is used, fighting fire with fire.
To apply Nishant's own stated logic, anti-"Neo-Stalinists" therefore must be "Neo-Nazis". RobSGive Peace a chance 16:04, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
Antifa supports child mutilation? What a surprise; those fascist goons clearly have no end to their depravity. The militant wing of the Democratic Party never removed the hood and merely replaced it with a new one, still going about on its business assaulting civilians and inciting murder.
Okay, I see your point now about fighting fire with fire. —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Monday, 16:08, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Trump whistleblower is back

As I've said many times, Trump-Russia and the Ukraine war are inextricably linked. Eric Ciaramella, the whistleblower in Trump's first impeachment, is back. He's also the same guy who told Ukrainian officials in January 2016 to lay off investigating Hunter Biden and instructed them to open an investigation on Paul Manafort. Ukraine passed bogus allegations of "Russia collusion" to Ali Chalupa of the DNC, who passed it to Comey's FBI, and later Robert Mueller (the allegations were baseless, and Mueller actually nailed Manafort on tax charges from 2006).

The neo-fascist rag The Economist reports: [13]

Democrat operative Alexandra Chalupa (left) Deep State informant Eric Ciaramella (right).[1]
"Eric Ciaramella of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a think-tank in Washington, argues that Western leaders should set out plans for Ukraine’s reconstruction and integration with the West, not least through security arrangements enshrined in law. Hitherto some Western leaders thought such matters would best be left until after a cessation of hostilities; but Mr Ciaramella argues they would help bring the fighting to an end by denying Mr Putin’s hope of winning a drawn-out conflict.

The security “assurances” given to Ukraine by America, Britain and Russia itself in the 1994 Budapest memorandum, in return for its agreeing to the removal of Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its soil, proved hollow. Ukraine and eastern European friends argue that only membership of the nato alliance—with Article 5 enshrining the mutual-defence commitment that an attack on one is an attack on all—can protect Ukraine from further attack. For all the devastation he has visited on Ukraine, Mr Putin has been careful not to strike at nato countries....

Mr Ciaramella sets out a five-point proposal to give Ukraine “less than Article 5 but more than the Budapest Memorandum”. This includes legally codified commitments to help-Ukraine defend itself, inspired in part by those that America gives to Israel and Taiwan, to ensure they endure regardless of who is in power in America and Europe. He also advocates multi-year commitments to arm Ukraine; support to rebuild Ukraine’s arms industry; mechanisms for political consultation like nato’s Article 4; and a clear path to eu membership. All this would not be an alternative to nato membership, but a bridge towards it. The goal, much like those hoped-for territorial gains in Ukraine’s counter-offensive, would be to demonstrate to Russia that there is nothing to be gained by prolonging the war.

So after these war criminals got 350,000 Ukrainians killed for nothing, they're looking for a face-saving way to bail. The problem is, Russia won't agree to any of it, and the US-backed Kyiv regime won't survive.

RobSGive Peace a chance 04:17, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Note: "the 1994 Budapest memorandum, in return for its agreeing to the removal of Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its soil" is correct, verses the last propaganda BS Nishant posted, "Ukraine give up its nuclear arsenal". That's why "reading comprehension" is graded differently from simply having the ability to read. RobSGive Peace a chance 04:25, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

One further note: the Budapest memorandum "proved hollow" means the US violated the agreement by not holding up its end of the bargain. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:12, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Ukraine gains in its counter offensive

When celebrating a Prayer Breakfast around Feb 24, 2023, the 1 year Anniversary of the War, Prez. Zelensky said he hoped to celebrate one on Feb 24, 2024 again this time commemorating the Victory in the War. There is a significant possibility the War will end within a year.

See the Gains in the Counter-Offensive, 2 of which (Blahodatne and Neskuchne) are admitted by the Kremlin's supporters themselves:

"In the first reported gains of its much-anticipated counteroffensive, Kyiv says its forces have reclaimed territory from Russia.

Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar on Monday posted a message on Telegram saying that Ukraine's flag was again flying over the village of Storozheve.

Unverified videos showed troops hoisting the Ukrainian flag in the village of Blahodatne in the Donetsk region and their unit's flag in the adjacent village of Neskuchne.

Ukraine also said its troops had made advances in Makarivka, but some prominent Russian military bloggers suggested that while Ukrainian forces took Blahodatne and Neskuchne, the fight for Makarivka was going on." https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-kyiv-claims-first-counteroffensive-gains/a-65886963 NishantXavierFor Christ the King 22:21, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Update: Prior to the start of the Russian special military operation in Ukraine Novodonetskoe was populated by just 327 people, Makarovka by 258, Blagodatnoe by 1097, Storojevoe by 96, Neskuchnoe by 644, Lokbovoe by 99 and Novodarovka had no more than 51 people living in it. Kiev forces paid a heavy price to capture these small villages. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, around 10,000 have been killed or wounded since the start of the counteroffensive. Many of the casualties were trained by NATO in bases outside Ukraine.
RobSGive Peace a chance 11:41, June 18, 2023 (EDT)
You're late. They've already been pushed back. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:41, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
$400 Russian drones taking out $5 million Bradley Fighting Vehicles. Like the idiots in the Pentagon didn't know this would or could happen years ago? or the idiots in Congress and the Biden regime didn't know this when they appropriatated $116 billion? It's scandalous (or at least it would be a scandal anywhere else in the world, including Russia. But not in the US). RobSGive Peace a chance 23:52, June 12, 2023 (EDT)
The above posting from Deutsche Welle is a case study in how Kyiv manipulates the time cycle in news reporting. 24-36 hours ago the Russians stepped back from forward positions in 3 villages with a population of about 175 people each. They still are about 30km north of the Surovikin Line, the first major defensive fortification (they basically are inviting NATO/Ukraine into the kill zone). The Ukies advanced. In that first 12 hour period, they took pictures of flag raising over these evacuated villages and released photos to international media like DW.
In the following 24 hours, fighting erupted in the kill zone where NATO/Ukraine was either annihilated, retreated, or taken prisoner. Meanwhile, Deutsche Welle goes to press declaring victory. The story is repeated worldwide by globalist media for the next 72 hours while the defeat is never reported. Wash. Rinse Repeat. Why I need to go into detail on this after the last 15 months is a mystery to me.
Now, Why does Ukraine need "published" victories? Cause at the upcoming July 11 NATO meeting, Zelensky and company have been strictly informed, they need captured territory for continued NATO aid. Additionally, the Russians aren't stupid - they read Western newspapers and media, as well. They understand the schedule and deadlines Zelensky faces if he wants to keep his job as NATO puppet dictator. So spare yourself the embarrassment before you get all excited about alleged Ukrainian victories. The fact the fake news media will report it as such come July 9, 10, 11, etc., is a foregone conclusion. But too many people now (including members of Congress and the press) see and understand the game being played. And come the first week of July, Russia will be ready to crush like a bug any effort to steal their headlines. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:31, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
Bottomline: Ukraine/Milley and the Pentagon have lost thousands of Ukrainian lives battling for five farmhouses in No Man's Land. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:47, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

New weapon introduced in Ukraine

Both sides have introduced, for the first time into combat, a new weapon. As of now it appears the Russian version is somewhat more advanced.

The new weapon is essentially a mine-laying rocket launcher that lays down mines behind an advancing force, so if or when they attempt to retreat, they enter a mine field that wasn't there when they advanced. In the Russian version, it's launched on a GRAD or Multiple Rocket Launching System (MLRS) with each rocket laying down 600 mines (the mines also have a self-destruct timer which then allows the defending force to advance later through the mine field.) As of this moment, the Russians being on the defensive, have the advantage in allowing the attacking force to enter into the kill zone, than locking them in so they can't retreat. NATO/Ukraine hasn't been able to get close enough to Russian lines to lay down their version, which wouldn't do much good anyway in a breakthrough cause they'd have to kill everyone, including reinforcements, at the breakthrough point rather than allow them to retreat. And then they'd have to wait (assuming NATO's version has a self-destruct timer) to advance. The Russian version also has an automated receptor that can be keyed to self destruct (in electronic warfare, you'd have to build a system that can hack into the radio frequency to get it to self-destruct so you can retreat; when that happens, all Russia needs to do is eliminate the radio receptor and go back soley to the timer). So the weapon really is more for a defensive posture than offensive. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:50, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

One more point: the purpose of probing attacks and an advance is to find a breakthrough point; when the breakthrough occurs on a line, the attacking force then funnels through hordes of reinforcements to reek havoc behind enemy lines. The new system lays down instantly a new minefield for reinforcements to traverse before reaching the breakthrough point, slowing the advance. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:11, June 12, 2023 (EDT)

Not going to debate with you on this subject any longer, as you don't have ears to hear. Will post facts and relevant stats and leave it at that. Let the reader judge. Time will tell which side was right. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 07:43, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
You got that one right. I don't have ears to hear propaganda. Well, yes I have ears to hear and recognized it, but not a brain to absorb it and make it part of my being. Many years ago I asked the Lord for the gift of discernment (per 1 Cor 12) and he was true to his word in granting the gift. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:04, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
The Politics of World War II in Contemporary Ukraine, IVAN KATCHANOVSKI, University of Ottawa
This study examines the role of political factors in attitudes toward World War II in contemporary Ukraine. The research question is which factors determine public views of the principal warring sides and their leaders in Ukraine. The analysis of the 2012 Kyiv International Institute of Sociology survey shows that regional values, political party preferences, ethnicity, language, and age have significant effects on views of the Red Army and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) during the war and attitudes toward the wartime activities of Joseph Stalin and Roman Shukhevych.
Do some background reading before you run off half-cocked with Nazi talking points again. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:49, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
5 minute video report on the Russian "Agriculture" MLRS mine laying system that defeated half the NATO force that took NATO a full year to train and assemble in less than 1 week (and NATO's lame efforts to catch up on Russian technology and strategic planning). RobSGive Peace a chance 19:00, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Now we understand more about US/NATO mine laying equipment - they use robots. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:53, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Astonishing Stats from the EU on Russia

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"Q: Are the sanctions against Russia working?

A: Actually, the word "sanctions" does not exist in any European treaties. The phrase used is "restrictive measures". We restrict some actions, like buying Russian gas and selling Russia the electronics it needs to produce arms. That's the least we could have done. We say: "You are attacking Ukraine, so we don't want to buy your oil and gas because with that money you pay for the war. You are producing arms, so we won't sell you the electronics that you need to do that. I don't want to give you the spare parts you need for your civilian planes." Seventy-five per cent of Russia's civilian air fleet cannot fly because there are no spare parts. Ninety per cent of Russia's production of cars has stopped." NishantXavierFor Christ the King 07:40, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

From: https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/straits-times-peace-not-no-war-and-derisking-has-risks-josep-borrell_en NishantXavierFor Christ the King 07:41, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

Astonishing? Where are the astonishing facts? RobSGive Peace a chance 13:49, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

AMUSED RUSSIAN DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER SAYS IT'S NOT POSSIBLE FOR RUSSIA TO REUSE CHIPS FROM WASHERS. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:15, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

Two things should be understood about Russia:

The Russian military does not use:
(a) depleted uranium;
(b) cluster bombs.

If and when future arms control negotiations are ever agreed upon to take place, after the final partition of Ukraine and the disposition of NATO and European security arrangements are made, the Russians are in a fairly strong position to make their position known and clear what they think of the ethical considerations about war fighting in the Pentagon have been for the past 75 years. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:02, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

In the last two sentences: "Seventy-five per cent of Russia's civilian air fleet cannot fly because there are no spare parts. Ninety per cent of Russia's production of cars has stopped." Russia is destroying its own country/economy in order to wage this unjust War. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 22:54, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, I get it. This is the same source that said Russia had to cannibalize washing machines for their $400 drones that destroyed the $9 million German Leopard 2 tanks. Ok. Thanks for clarifying that. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:50, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

Updates

From a psyop perspective, it would have been easier to respect Russian armed forces from the beginning, rather than to force them to earn that respect again, and teach a lesson for the next 80 years.
From a political perspective, as you can read anywhere, NATO has clearly stated that their objective, whatever the outcome, is to have negotiations after the end of summer. But think again momentarily, what if Russia isn't in the mood to negotiate? Do you honestly believe NATO and the West can dictate where and when to have negotiations? That's simply more disrespect. Are Western populations ready to make the same kind of privations their grandparents and great-grandparents endured in WWII, or that the Russian population is enduring now and has endured since 2014?
At some point, surviving Western Nazis and globalists, and their subservient serf populations, will have to humbly face the victors. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:41, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
  • The Nazis vow to kill everyone means they will follow NATO's main attacking forces in Zaporozhe and send in an Einsatzgruppen of Azov types behind them to murder anyone who voted in the referendum to join Russia. The Kyiv regime vowed as much a year ago. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:54, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
  • Ukrainian Nazis doused well known Ukrainian politician Taras Chornovol with urine and paint then dumped into dumpster. [14] These are just the low-level Nazi street thugs still undergoing brainwashing. They haven't graduated to full time employment in an official government unit of paid Nazi killers. They probably got his home address off the Myrotvorets kill list. Welcome to Zelensky's Ukraine, this outpost of European values and American democracy. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:37, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
  • Only 3 of 120 Ukrainian attackers in an assault unit on Russian defenses survived. Why do Zelensky, Biden, and other nazi supporters continue to send soldiers into such meaningless slaughter? RobSGive Peace a chance 19:08, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Russia has lost 215,000 Soldiers. The effects of this will soon be evident on the battlefield

Biden shaking hands with Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Oleh Tyanhbok.

"He only earns his freedom and his life who takes them every day by storm." Goethe

Total combat losses of the enemy from February 24, 2022 to June 13, 2023: https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1668573934676058112 [Details in link] Russia cannot win this War. The Ukrainian people need their land so they will not stop fighting for it. Sweden will become a NATO member by Vilnius in July, and NATO nations have pledged to support Ukraine for as long as it takes. Russia will retreat sooner or later. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 23:44, June 13, 2023 (EDT)

From an anti-Russian site that works with the BBC. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:55, June 13, 2023 (EDT)
Basically, if the history of the past 15 months is any guide, what the Ukrainian MOD says about Russia generally are the facts about Ukraine. 200k+ dead Ukrainians now could be called a consensus figure (some still hold it as low as 135k-150k, Bobby Kennedy recently put it at 350k). RobSGive Peace a chance 00:00, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
And this part, "The Ukrainian people need their land", what a joke. Their land won't do them any good once US deployed depleted uranium shells contaminate it for the next 240,000 years. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:07, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Watch this 2 minute video. You should seriously get off this Biden/Neo-Nazi hobby horse you've been riding. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:01, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
"Biden/Neo-Nazi" Just use the term Bidenazi! —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Wednesday, 12:03, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Hey, watch Tucker Calrson do a perfect pantomime of what you sound like. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:57, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

"Biden shaking hands with Ukrainian Neo-Nazi Oleh Tyanhbok. I'm not sure how the surname is supposed to to be pronounced, so I'll just go with "Trannybok." The Ukronazis are promoting homosexualism, after all. —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Wednesday, 15:35, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

hint: there is no letter "H" in the Russian alphabet (the letter "H" is referred to as an "aspiration" by linguists, of which there are no other "aspirations" in the English alphabet. Some even call it a vowel). The Ukrainian language changed the Cyrilic or Greek "gamma" or "G" in "Oleg" to an "H" just to be different, cause "G" is often used by Russian translators instead of "H". Hence you have the transliterations "Lugansk" and "Luhansk", the first being the Ukrainian pronunciation and the second the Russian). RobSGive Peace a chance 15:59, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Corrrection: there is a letter "H" in Russian; it is however the Greek "Nu" or English "N" sound. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:02, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
IOWs, if you change "Oleh" to "Oleg", it proves you are Putin stooge to Ukrainian Nazis. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:11, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Another example: if you pronounce "Vladimir" as "Vladimir" correctly, you are Putin stooge; however if you use the somewhat retarded pronunciation and spelling of "Volodymyr" (where your mouth and lips form up like you're going to puke), then you are a Nazi kinsman. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:51, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

NATO Chief offers Vilnius Summit Preview at the White House: NATO is stronger and more focused and united than ever before

NATO chief warlord and LGBT activist Jens Stoltenberg (center).

With the Accession of Finland and Sweden into the Alliance - an Alliance of almost all Christian and Christian-majority countries, btw, with minority outliers like Turkey etc - NATO undoubtedly becomes the single most Powerful Alliance that has ever existed on Earth.

Vilnius, Lithuania in July looks set to be the place where Sweden will become NATO member 32. Below, Stoltenberg outlines reasons how appeasing Russia would embolden China: "NATO chief offers Vilnius summit preview at White House Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg vowed to ‘sustain and step up’ support for Ukraine as it faces Russian invasion. 13 Jun 2023 Outgoing NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has met with top United States officials at the White House, offering a preview of topics for an upcoming alliance summit in Vilnius, Lithuania.

Stoltenberg, who is set to step down as secretary-general in September, said the NATO alliance would work “to sustain and step up support for Ukraine” and “further strengthen our deterrence on defence” at the Vilnius meeting.

He also underscored the need to send a strong message to Russian President Vladimir Putin, who has championed his country’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine since its launch in February 2022.

“It was not only an attack on Ukraine but also on our core values and on free people everywhere,” Stoltenberg said on Tuesday as he sat across from US President Joe Biden.

“And therefore President Putin must not win this war because that will not only be a tragedy for Ukrainians but also make the world more dangerous. It will send a message to authoritarian leaders all over the world, also in China, that when they use military force, they get what they want.”

Other priorities for the Vilnius summit, set for July 11 and 12, include a stronger partnership with countries in the Indo-Pacific region. In his comments on Tuesday, Stoltenberg also said he would push NATO allies to fulfil a 2006 pledge to commit two percent of their gross domestic products (GDPs) to defence spending — a pledge that many of the 31 member nations have fallen short of in the years since."

From: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/6/13/nato-chief-offers-vilnius-summit-preview-at-white-house NishantXavierFor Christ the King 04:24, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

"Yet even if we all agree that NATO is not a humanitarian relief agency: if we can help, as in the case of the earthquake in Pakistan, should we say “no”? And if the African Union asks us for help – not for boots on the ground, to be sure, but for logistical support – can we tell them that we are too busy elsewhere? In my view, this would have been the wrong answer. Our security policy is based on interests and on values. And this means that we need to help when we can, where we can. Helping the people of Afghanistan to shed the Taliban’s yoke, or helping the African Union to be more effective in looking after its own continent – both are investments in a more stable and just global order. And that means they both are investments in our own long-term security.

Allow me, at this point, to say a few more words about the interrelationship between values and interests. The transatlantic community is a community based on the Judaeo-Christian Humanist tradition. And I am certainly not the first to observe that much of what NATO is doing these days is to engage in regions of predominantly Muslim belief. In Bosnia, and later in Kosovo, NATO used force to protect innocent civilians most of whom were Muslims. And NATO’s largest military operation today takes place in the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan. Not surprisingly, perhaps, some observers, Christians and Muslims alike, have questioned NATO’s motivation. Is NATO’s agenda an attempt to impose distinct Western values on non-Western societies? Are we trying to re-shape the world in our image?

Ladies and gentlemen, nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, NATO is an association of Western countries. Yes, with the exception of secular Muslim Turkey, NATO is predominantly an Alliance of Christian countries. Each December, the NATO compound here in Brussels is illuminated by a huge Christmas tree. But the values that NATO stands for are not uniquely Christian. The values that we promote and defend through our engagement are universal values. The right of women to go to school is a universal right. The right to choose your own religion, and not having to fear the death penalty for doing so, is a universal right. The right to elect your democratic government in a free and fair election is a universal right.

These are the values we are defending, from the Balkans to Afghanistan. They are non-negotiable. But they are neither uniquely Western, nor are they uniquely Christian. Indeed, I believe that countries from all parts of the globe, and from all major religions, should be able to agree on them. For they are the true foundation for mankind’s survival in the 21st century." https://www.nato.int/docu/speech/2007/s070301a-e.html NishantXavierFor Christ the King 04:28, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Gay marriage is not a God-given right, contrary to the gospel according to NATO.
A world without Russia is not worth living in. Think about that before you continue with your nuclear war mongering. RobSGive Peace a chance 04:31, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
"NATO is stronger and more focused and united than ever before". HA! France wants to join BRICS. They'll never do it as long as they are members of NATO and have Russia sanctions. RobSGive Peace a chance 04:35, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
NATO member Germany: "God is queer". RobSGive Peace a chance 04:46, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

NATO, while not perfect, is based on the Judeo-Christian Tradition of Democracy, Freedom and Human Rights. I'll take my chances with that rather than with Commie countries like China and North Korea (now supporting Russia), Islamist countries like Iran, and neo-Stalinist leaders like Thug Putin. NATO should welcome Asian countries like Japan, South Korea, India, and Indo-Pacific countries like Australia and New Zealand immediately. That would send a strong message to the Global South that all nations everywhere are welcome in this Free Alliance. That's what is going to happen eventually https://www.thedefensepost.com/2023/06/06/us-india-inclusion-nato/ NishantXavierFor Christ the King 05:15, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

And the LGBT thing is why I support De Santis. With Biden, or even Trump, you'll have LGBT. With DE Santis, you won't. NATO always follows America's lead. That's why De Santis 2024 is so important. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 05:17, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

NATO is run by, and for the benefit of, corrupt pedophile oligarchs. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:45, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Watch this video. You'll see the spirit of Christian Russia that defeated Soviet Communism from within despite persecution and trials. RobSGive Peace a chance 10:49, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Yah looks like more Putin propaganda - preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ in ancient song. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:06, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Sooner of later you will realize the War in Ukraine is a Civil War between Eastern and the hollowed shell of Western Christianity, instigated by global atheists to destroy both once and for all. Even the God-fearing, non-terrorist Muslims side with the Christians. Here in North America and Canada, it is the Muslims who are the parental activists with the cahoonies to stand up to the transgender and LGBT movement. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:17, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Hopefully those Muslims will ultimately see the real truth and light, coming to a state of repentance and conversion before it's too late. Countless masses these days incline in their hearts towards righteousness but have been misguided their whole lives. —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Wednesday, 12:03, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
"NATO, while not perfect, is based on the Judeo-Christian Tradition-" No. The Jewish values of the Bible are incompatible with globalism, period. God never sanctified a United Nations between Israel and abominable heathen tribes. While the geopolitical outlook today is vastly different from Old Testament times, as no literal country today are God's chosen people (sorry Christian Zionists, but literal Israel isn't very relevant in biblical eschatology), the concept of uniting varying nations under an ecumenical, syncretized world order is the agenda of Satan, not of God. —LT Smash Ukrofascism! Wednesday, 12:07, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Stoltenberg said it himself, the "Judaeo-Christian Humanist tradition," "God is queer." RobSGive Peace a chance 12:59, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

Ambitious Agenda for NATO's Vilnius Summit

I predict Sweden will become NATO member #32 within the year, and probably at the Vilnius Summit in July. The Path is then open for Ukraine to become NATO member #33. When? I don't know. It will be after the War ends. It could be late next year, or maybe in 2025.

"At this moment, while Ukraine is still in a full-fledged war, the Alliance will be reluctant to open any negotiation process in order to avoid being directly dragged into a military conflict with Russia. At the same time, Kyiv and its partners among NATO allies continue communicating on the formula for a clear path to “bring Ukraine’s accession to the Alliance closer“.

In Kyiv, there is no illusion that Ukraine would obtain membership before the Russian-Ukraininan war is over, yet the Vilnius declaration should explicitly pave the way for potential membership. If NATO members fall short of delivering a clear signal in this regard, top-level Ukrainian officials may refrain from participation in the summit.

Allies still have no agreed approach to what this formula might entail. For example, a statement from 19 parliamentary foreign affairs committee chairs of NATO members called for “a clear path for Ukrainian accession to NATO and clear and strong security guarantees for Ukraine.” From: https://visegradinsight.eu/vilnius-nato-summit-is-an-ambitious-agenda-for-ukraine-possible/ While there's still work to be done, NATO will get there in the end, as it did with Finland, and it's doing with Sweden. Turkey will probably allow Sweden in in exchange for US F-16s. The Turks know when to bargain, as they did on Finland and are doing now, but they also know when, for the Common Good of the Alliance, to come to consensus, as they did on Finland. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 08:00, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

How it will play out after the Vilnius summit

As of now it appears the NATO representatives in Vilnius on July 11 will have to admit to themselves that Ukraine lost. To keep Kyiv from being overrun by Russia and installation of a Russia puppet regime, they will form a NATO "coalition of the willing" led by Poland and the Baltic States to send troops into Ukraine (basically, the Kyiv and Lviv regions}. It is almost a virtual certainty that they will be attacked by Russia once they cross into Ukraine territory, and Russia will not allow these NATO forces to establish air superiority over any portion of Ukraine from NATO airbases in Poland.

In any case however, this involves more direct active belligerents in the conflict, with risk of the battlefields spreading outside Ukraine, to Belarus, Poland, Transnistria (Moldova) or Serbia/Kosovo and beyond. 20:18, June 14, 2023 (EDT)RobSGive Peace a chance

Update on Vilnius summit: Biden squashed Stoltenberg's proposal to expedite Ukraine into NATO. Biden and Blinken want to freeze the Ukraine conflict and focus on war with China, now that they depleted US and NATO weapons stockpiles. However, European NATO allies aren't on board with war with China, or the US effort to drag them into that conflict with new Japan NATO office (the US can't go it alone against Russian and China). The NATO alliance may not survive the US disastrous leadership of it, ever since Victoria Nuland said "F the EU" when Ambassador Geoffrey Pyke asked Nuland shouldn't the NATO allies be consulted before the Obama regime unilaterally overthrew the Ukrainian democratically-elected government in 2014. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:21, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

NATO Office likely in Japan by 2024

"Earlier this year, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg announced that the organization was considering the opening of a liaison office in Japan by 2024. Amid the growing tensions between the United States and China, the latest move from the transatlantic alliance is perceived as a way to shore up Western security partnerships in the Indo-Pacific. In that perspective, a NATO office in Tokyo would build on the momentum brought about by other multilateral initiatives such as the Quad (Australia, India, Japan, and the U.S.) and AUKUS (Australia, the U.K., and the U.S.)." https://thediplomat.com/2023/06/a-nato-office-in-japan-much-ado-about-not-much/ NishantXavierFor Christ the King 14:30, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Oh yah. I'm sure China, Russia, and the civilian populations of Japan and NATO countries in Europe are thrilled about it. Of course, in the "democratic" Western countries, nobody ever asked the people what they thought about this - you know, the people ultimately saddled with the cost. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:33, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, and Dictator Thug Putin asked the people of Ukraine what they thought about his invasion before invading, did he? No, the Thug denied he was ever going to invade, until the last moment, when he did, and since greater than 90% oppose his invasion, if he had any respect for Ukraine's Democracy and right to self-determination, which he doesn't, he'd leave. He doesn't even respect Russia's Democracy, and throws Opposition Leaders in jail, or has them killed, quite blatantly, with poisonous substances everyone knows comes from the KGB and Kremlin. HE doesn't even try to hide it sometimes; he's a cold, methodological killer, and he's got you hoodwinked into believing he's a decent person. You know, that meme, of "how countries join Russia (with whole cities destroyed/leveled)" and "how countries join NATO" (with a pic of people smiling and shaking hands) sums it up perfectly. The latter is Democracy in Action. The former is not, and is Anti-Democracy to the core. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:39, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Let me know when NATO holds its next referendum. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:53, June 19, 2023 (EDT)

Prospects of nuclear war

Don't worry about Putin the mad man using nukes, worry about Lukashenko. Go ahead, let Biden, Poland, and Zelensky come up with another hare-brained scheme to send terrorist Nazis into Belarus as the "Belarussian Liberation Army" or whatever. Lukashenko's already promised to nuke their butts (and not likely to strike on Belarussian territory). And he doesn't even need to consult with or ask permission from Putin first. It's pretty easy for Belarus to feel threatened, they only got about a 70,000 man army. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:12, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

War in Ukraine: A forever war or a war that the GOP will end?

"A FOREVER WAR BEGINS

These largely immutable factors could well produce a drawn-out hot war between Russia and Ukraine. Indeed, history suggests that is the most likely outcome. A study from the Center for Strategic and International Studies, using data from 1946 to 2021 compiled by Uppsala University, found that 26 percent of interstate wars end in less than a month and another 25 percent within a year. But the study also found that “when interstate wars last longer than a year, they extend to over a decade on average.” Even those that last fewer than ten years can be exceptionally destructive. The Iran-Iraq war, for example, lasted for nearly eight years, from 1980 to 1988, and resulted in almost half a million combat fatalities and roughly as many wounded. After all its sacrifices, Ukraine deserves to avoid such a fate.

A long war between Russia and Ukraine will also be highly problematic for the United States and its allies, as a recent RAND study I co-authored with the political scientist Miranda Priebe shows. A protracted conflict would keep the risk of possible escalation—either to Russian nuclear use or to a Russian-NATO war—at its current elevated level. Ukraine would be on near-total economic and military life support from the West, which will eventually cause budgetary challenges for Western countries and readiness problems for their militaries. The global economic fallout of the war, including the volatility in grain and energy prices, would persist. The United States would be unable to focus its resources on other priorities, and Russian dependence on China would deepen. Although a long war would also further weaken Russia, that benefit does not outweigh these costs."[15]

On the other hand, Rift Growing Among Republicans Grows Over US Support for Ukraine and Congressional Support for Aiding Ukraine Frays Amid Spending Battle.

If the economy worsens, maybe a Republican will win the USA presidency in 2024 and decide to pull the plug on funding Ukraine and try to get an armistice. Right now, the prediction markets give the Democrats a 4% greater possibility chance of winning the presidency in 2024.

Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer, who predicted the war in Ukraine, expects the war in Ukraine to drag on and on for a long while. Conservative (talk) 20:37, June 14, 2023 (EDT)

The Biden junta is trying to convert their failure into a frozen conflict (like Korea) later this year; not likely the Russians will go for it. So the US would have to keep pumping money in to support the defeated regime and/or NATO's "coalition of the willing" to keep the conflict going. By then, the American public and some European allies likely will bail. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:01, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Alternatively, the US can accept defeat and cut n run like Vietnam and Afghanistan. Only this time, it would be a defeat for the whole NATO alliance, with members starting to bail (Germany is ready to toss the NATO warmongers out of office after the NATO attack on the Nordstream pipeline, and France is asking to join BRICS, that no way would accept France as long as it has Russia sanctions, send weapons to Ukraine, and is a member of NATO.) RobSGive Peace a chance 21:08, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
"The Keys to the White House is a prediction system for determining the outcome of presidential elections in the United States. It was developed by American historian Allan Lichtman and Russian geophysicist Vladimir Keilis-Borok in 1981, adapting prediction methods that Keilis-Borok designed for earthquake prediction. The system is a thirteen-point checklist that assesses the situation of the country and political system ahead of a presidential election. When five or fewer items on the checklist are false, the incumbent party candidate is predicted to win the election. Some of the items on this checklist involve qualitative judgment, and therefore the reliability of this system relies heavily on the knowledge and analytical skill of whoever attempts to apply it. Using his own system, Lichtman has correctly predicted the outcomes of all presidential elections from 1984 to 2020, with the exception of the 2000 election."[16]
Key #10 is: "No foreign/military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs."[17]
The Biden administration already had the poorly executed pullout from Afghanistan so they will try to avoid a defeat in Ukraine as long as possible to avoid losing face and incurring more electability damage on the foreign/military affairs front. Conservative (talk) 21:30, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Many of the issues will change or be settled long before November 2024, out of pure military and economic necessity. The GOP and presidential politics hardly factor in. You're peeing in the wind. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:45, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
First, I wrote: "The Biden administration already had the poorly executed pullout from Afghanistan so they will try to avoid a defeat in Ukraine as long as possible". When I wrote "as long as possible" that does include the two possibilities that things will change or be settled long before November 2024.
Also, it is noteworthy that Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer, who predicted the war in Ukraine, expects the war in Ukraine to drag on and on for a long while. Mearsheimer is a realistic person who is not prone to intellectual arrogance. Conservative (talk) 23:08, June 14, 2023 (EDT)
Biden, Sullivan and those idiots want a frozen conflict with no winner, Russia wants the United States and NATO out. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:06, June 15, 2023 (EDT)
IOWs, when Congress pulls the plug and all the NATO people leave, the Zelensky regime folds up shop, too. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:14, June 15, 2023 (EDT)
If BlackRock wants to reclaim some of its collateral, they'll have to talk to the Russians about that. But it may be difficult, they may be on Russia's sanctions list. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:18, June 15, 2023 (EDT)
The IMF, the Bank for International Settlements, and various international courts will be arguing for years on property claims. They probably need some good Russian lawyers for actions in Russian courts. Russia just gonna say, send the bill the United States. The US bought and paid for the war. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:23, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Although pro-natalism policies are expensive and no panacea for subreplacement levels of fertility, both France and Hungary have used them (See: Pro-Natal Policies Work, But They Come With a Hefty Price Tag) with some degree of success. Given Russia's fertility rate and its grave effects on the future of Russia, Putin would be smart to try to end this conflict ASAP and spend the war economy money on a pro-natalism program instead. France now has about a fertility rate 1.83 births per woman (2020), which although not a replacement level of births (Which is 2.1 births per woman), is still higher than it would be without expensive pronatalism policies.

Countries that have a guns and butter economy really do a number on themselves so Russia should not do that. Russia needs more butter in its economy and less of a guns-oriented economy (Namely, a war economy).

Russia has the highest abortion rate in the world (It is higher than the abortion rate of the USA). Conservative (talk) 17:26, June 15, 2023 (EDT)

Russia's fertility rate is virtually identical to America's. You are basically making an appeal for open borders to boost America's fertility rate. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:54, June 15, 2023 (EDT)
Three things: 1) More people are leaving Russia since Putin than are going into Russia. People want to come to the USA so the USA can do legal immigration using a point system that rewards skills/wealth in immigration candidates that causes a higher quality of immigration which can boost the economy and create job-producing businesses. Trump advocated such immigration. 2) The USA can increase religiosity which is tied to higher birth rates via school choice and tackling indoctrination in public schools. DeSantis has had the guts to tackle leftism/wokism in public education and has greatly increased school choice. 3) The USA can stop engaging in foolish forever wars and use some of that wealth to be able to give generous tax credits for couples that have children. Conservative (talk) 00:24, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Nobody's listening cause everybody can see you don't know what you are talking about. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:15, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
There are no solutions, only trade offs. And your whole argument is a justification for open borders and illegal immigration to criticize Vladimir Putin and Russia. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:41, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Legal immigration is not open borders - no matter how much you pretend it is. Right now, the world is moving into a high-tech era and there is a shortage of people with skills in the USA. Lots of jobs requiring various skills can't be filled. The USA should upgrade its educational system (allow more school choice) and upgrade its immigration system so it is skilled/money based. It's no longer the 1800s where America needs a lot of ditch diggers. I wish the USA could better fill those jobs, but unfortunately a lot of blue states/cities have laws/systems that are anti-natalism, not very family friendly (High regulations as far as building homes which drive home cost up, etc.) plus they often have poor educational systems. And the sad truth is that many Americans have a poor work ethic which is another reason why many jobs are not being filled. America has a lot of old people and it needs workers to be better able to support them. In 2019, it was reported that South Dakota is one of just two states where there are enough babies being born to keep the population steady.[18] I wish the rest of the USA had a lot of the family/cultural values of South Dakota, but the reality is that they don't. But I am not going to spend a lot of my trying vainly attempting to change people's views on immigration because it is hard to change people's political views - especially when it comes to immigration. In addition, politics is downwind from culture, so the best way to change culture is through Christian evangelism.
Also, you are obsessed with globalism. The UN, the World Economic Forum, the Atlantic Council and other globalist organizations could be dissolved tomorrow and the people who want a one-size-fits-all secular, liberal universalism wouldn't disappear. That is because it is people within the USA and Western countries that want to radically change American/Western/world culture (I recommend watching this video: In Defense of Particularistic Nationalism because he makes this point). And the Western "elites" (I don't think they are very elite due to their errant ideas) are not the only ones to want to spread their influence as China is trying to do the same (It also wants people to be more open to its values.), but it is often failing as anti-China sentiment is growing in various parts of the world.
Also, globalism is losing influence and nationalism and people's wishes to retain their culture is growing. That is partly due to desecularization as religion influences culture to a high degree. And supply chains are moving closer to home. China is rapidly greying so its mercantilism and influence is going to be short-lived due to a lack of workers (See: Skepticism about China remaining a global power). And Russian influence will wane in the world (See: [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]). But right now, it still has a fair amount of influence due to its oil/gas/agricultural products.
Although I can use my various skills and upgrade my various skills in order better be able to change other people's views, the truth is that if I want to change my life and others' lives for the better, my time is often better spent trying to change myself. That is because most people's worst enemies are themselves when it comes to being at a higher spiritual, mental, moral, and physical fitness and financial level. In addition, you can lead a horse to water, but ultimately you can't make him drink. On the other hand, it is my Christian duty to spread the gospel and people becoming Christians is a good thing for them, those around them and for the world at large (See: Christianity and social stability). And the stronger Christian and overall person I am, the better able I am better able to help others (Donations, prayers, using skills to help others, volunteer time, etc.). Conservative (talk) 08:32, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

The USA could slow down the pace of legal immigration and allow for more assimilation and there are advantages to that. But the baby boomers would have to agree to come out of retirement and work. Pity the politician who tries to sell that idea to boomers! Personally, I think the retirement age should be raised and it might be. But that idea is very unpopular in the West and Emmanual Macron in France is getting a lot of pushback. I suspect Western politicians are going to do a lot of money printing instead and force the seniors to go back to work due to inflation driving up food and other costs. Printing money is a lot easier to do than raising people's taxes. Conservative (talk) 09:18, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

The USA could also slow legal immigration by cutting down its military budget which could make it easier to finance expenditures on its aging population. But I don't see that happening. Both the GOP/Democrats are in the pocket of the military/industrial/financial complex. Plus, I think many Americans like being the big man on the military campus compared to many other nations. Conservative (talk) 09:35, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Even with legal immigration, the United States fertility rate is 1.64 (five decades after the 1965 Immigration Reform Act; IOWs. those immigrant groups who came to the US also suffered a decline in birth rates) versus the Russian Federation's 1.58. Technically, the United States is in a worse situation than Russia.
The more you talk, the more you prove how ignorant you are on certain subjects outside you specialties. RobSGive Peace a chance 11:58, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
As to the whole premise to this thread, "War in Ukraine: A forever war or a war that the GOP will end?", you just had your answer. 20 Republicans of the GOP's 5 seat majority just voted in support of Nazisymp, warmonger, and Russia hoaxer Adam Schiff. "We fight Russia there so we don't have to fight Russia here." Stop embarrassing yourself. Stick to things you know and understand. Thanks. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:00, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, you wrote: "Even with legal immigration, the United States fertility rate is 1.64 (five decades after the 1965 Immigration Reform Act; IOWs. those immigrant groups who came to the US also suffered a decline in birth rates) versus the Russian Federation's 1.58. Technically, the United States is in a worse situation than Russia."
Russia has lost population since Putin came into power while the USA has gained population. Foreigners are not flocking to Russia, but they want to come to the USA. No amount of mental gymnastics on your part is going to alter this fact.
As far as the GOP potentially ending this war, I did not give a very short time frame in the future. That is merely the strawman that you set up in order to knock it down. Conservative (talk) 13:13, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
I also said, "Technically, the United States is in a worse situation than Russia." Even with legal immigration to the United States since Putin took power 20 years ago in Russia, immigration has only boosted the US fertility rate to 1.64 versus Russia's "worse" 1.58. Again, the US in a worse position than Russia.
C'mon now, the logic here is not rocket science. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:47, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
So I will restate my premise once again: Your attacks on Putin and Russia are justification and advocacy for open borders and illegal immigration. And if you don't get you talking points directly from globalists, your thought patterns, analytical abilities, and way of looking at the world have been trained and brainwashed within the globalist system. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:53, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
You often cite Mearsheimer, yet in talking to you it obvious you either don't listen to him, or don't understand what he says or has said. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:55, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Mearsheimer has repeatedly refuted the false aand vicious personal attacks on Putin that you and other globalists engage in. RobSGive Peace a chance 13:59, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
RobS wrote: "Your attacks on Putin and Russia are justification and advocacy for open borders and illegal immigration."
You are engaging in non sequitur argumentation. It's obvious that you can't defend your Putin/Russia cheerleading. The Russians by far know more about Putin/Russia more than you do. Russia has lost population since Putin came into power. People vote with their feet and Putin/Russia lost the election. Conservative (talk) 14:07, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
I don't defend my Putin/Russia cheerleading anymore than Prof. John J. Mearsheimer does. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:13, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

As far as Russia:

"Deaths have outpaced births almost every year since the end of communism. Russia’s population peaked in 1993 at 148.6 million. At the start of 2022, it was estimated at 145.6 million. That’s a decline of only two per cent but, by way of comparison, the U.S. population grew 33 per cent from 1990 to 2020. The World Bank calculates that Russian life expectancy is only 71 years compared with 77 in the United States...

Russia stands out for its extraordinarily high death rate, particularly among men, from cardiovascular diseases (heart attacks, strokes, etc.) and injuries (homicides, suicides, accidents). This can be explained by Russia’s terrible health-care system, its environmental pollution, and its high levels of binge drinking and drug addiction — which, in turn, are a sign of despair."[19] Conservative (talk) 14:22, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

It means nothing without comparisons from Western Europe and America, and the impacts of transgenderism and LGBT on fertility, or the impact of US government sanctioned import of fentanyl. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:28, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Perhaps you believe the import of fentanyl is a free people making a free choice in a capitalist economy. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:30, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
There is evidence that very recently there is a growing backlash against LGBTQ+ ideology in the USA: Woke Teachers FREAK OUT as Students Chant ‘My Pronouns Are USA!’. And this occurred in the blue state of Massachusetts!
USA! USA! USA! [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]. Conservative (talk) 15:39, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
See below about predictions. If we followed the bible, you'd have been executed by stoning for false prophecies sometime ago. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:58, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Undefensible arguments

One clue about false arguments (in any context) is, when faced with a bad group of condemning facts, advocates retreat to "coulda woulda shoulda" arguments about the past (for example "Ukrainian Russians should have moved to Russia") or predictions about the future ("By Christmas bla bla bla" or "The GOP will win the next election and there will be peace and happiness for ever"). It's a form of denial. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:17, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Putin should have never attacked Ukraine in February of 2022. It made Russia's demographic situation worse. Due to Putin's decision to attack Ukraine in February of 2022 many Russian-speaking Ukrainians have fled to Eastern/central Ukraine and had their former homes destroyed.
What matters in public policy is the results and not any good intentions that they express. Good leaders consider various scenarios and any possible unintended consequences.
Due to Europe's aging population which is projected to shrink and its various current and projected problems, Professor John Joseph Mearsheimer stated: “Europe doesn't matter anymore. You know, Europe is basically a giant museum.”[20] See: Decline of Europe
The idea that the much smaller country of Ukraine and a declining Europe posed a significant future threat to Russia is laughable. Putin should have focused on fixing Russia's myriad of problems rather than attacking Ukraine which made Russia's future prospects even worse. Conservative (talk) 16:15, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
(a) coulda woulda shoulda; (b) if Europe doesn't matter anymore, why does NATO exist?; (c) oh, so Ukraine has not been attacking Moscow with NATO provided missiles and drones. Thanks for clarifying that. RobSGive Peace a chance
Do you think Russia is going to lose the war in Ukraine? No, you don't. I stand by what I wrote above. Conservative (talk) 16:36, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Do you think the NATO/Ukraine fascists will defeat Russia? According to Mearsheimer, you will get nuked first before that ever happens (oh, I forget, you not only reverted the clip of Mearsheimer saying that on your user talk page, you deleted Mearsheimer saying that.). RobSGive Peace a chance 16:39, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
I have said multiple times that I think Russia will probably keep much of its territorial gains and that much of Ukraine will get wrecked (I agree with Mearsheimer that Russia will likely wreck Ukraine). You know this. You are just trying to save face due to losing this debate. Conservative (talk) 16:50, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Will the US-backed Maidan and Zelensky regime survive? Will the US and NATO be booted from Western Ukraine and Kyiv, and be replaced with a Putin/Russia stooge regime? Ukraine does not have the manpower or equipment to defend itself. That is the main issue, which you have never addressed. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:16, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Mearseimer has clearly said, if NATO is not driven out of Ukraine, and Ukraine does not declare itself neutral, the probability of nuclear war is very high. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:19, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
And when NATO accepts the inevitability of its defeat in the war that IT started, that most likely will spell the end of the NATO alliance. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:22, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
As Mearsheimer said, "Europe doesn't matter anymore", and when European powers jump ship from behind American leadership and the American defensive umbrella, that means the US WILL NOT be "the leading power for the foreseeable future." RobSGive Peace a chance 17:25, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
You're living in a dream world - after Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, and the neocons castrated you. And you keep begging for more abuse. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:27, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Take a hint: User:Conway! promised back in December to be back April to compare your's Conway's globalist talking points with the reality on the ground; it's now June so he's hiding out. But you have learned nothing of the past year and half, and continuously repeat Western BS, lies, propaganda, globalist talking points. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:40, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
The most insidious thing is you haven't figured out you have been lied to. And you keep begging for more war, more to be added to the national debt, and more inflation. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:44, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

China increased its power recently by being an economic power - not being a great military power - but its future prospects have diminished (See: Skepticism about China remaining a global power). In an age of fourth generation warfare, military power has a lower utility. The world will likely go through some tough economic times through a portion of the 2030's[21], but the USA is best positioned to bounce back economically for a variety of reasons (See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]). Conservative (talk) 17:55, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

More globalist crap. The United States made China an economic power by granting it MFN, WTO membership, and tariff-free access to American consumer markets - China did not make itself a power, as you claim. And the current war in Ukraine disproves your globalist talking points - that "fourth generation warfare" and information propaganda trumps industrial military capacity. You should just stop copy pasting globalist propaganda and talking points into your brain to make yourself sound intelligent or informed. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:18, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Another strawman as I merely said China increased its strength through economic power. And surely China had a role in negotiating its MFN WTO membership and tariff-free access to American markets.

Also, yet another strawman as I merely said military power has a lower utility. I did not say it has no utility.

Perhaps one of the reasons you are engaging in these strawman arguments is that you are engaging in all-or-nothing thinking. Conservative (talk) 18:31, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

No. The United States increased China's economic strength through trade deals. What planet were you on when President Trump spoke about China for the past 8 years? RobSGive Peace a chance 19:19, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Definition of economics: "the branch of knowledge concerned with the production, consumption, and transfer of wealth." Trade deals are a part of economics and therefore a part of economic power. China increased its economic power by negotiating trade deals that were favorable to them.
So nothing I said above was in error. Conservative (talk) 19:36, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Make that 12 years.
Reuters: Trump calls U.S. leaders "stupid", April 29, 2011.
Trump’s speech at the Treasure Island Hotel and Casino targeted the U.S. relationship with China, OPEC countries, and Saudi Arabia, while lauding his own accomplishments.
“When people are screwing you, you don’t give them state dinners,” Trump said of China. “We have weak, pathetic leadership. We have incompetent leadership.”
“Our leaders are stupid,” Trump said. “They are stupid people. Its very, very sad.”
What's he talking about? The US granting China Most Favored Nation status access in 2004 to the American consumer market, which shipped American jobs to China, destroyed our manufacturing base, and leaves us with an $875 billion annual trade deficit.
It's fairly obvious, you have not followed events over the past 20 years, and have no understanding of the propaganda you read, which influences the contradictory and absurd things you say. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:37, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
I literally said above: "China increased its economic power by negotiating trade deals that were favorable to them."
It is increasingly clear that you are being contentious and desperately seeking to salvage a debate loss. It's not working. Conservative (talk) 19:45, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
And you just don't want to admit that there are a LOT of better places to live than Russia. Russia is the place that you are not moving to. Conservative (talk) 19:52, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
I don't care. I'm not a pitchman for the Russian Convention and Visitors Bureau. But your arguments that holocaust victims should just move is pretty pathetic. You have no understanding or a sense of justice. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:03, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

Much of Donbas is now devastated and uninhabitable. Russian-speaking Ukrainians have fled to Eastern/Central Ukraine. In January 2023, as far as Ukraine, it was reported that a total of 149,300 residential buildings were damaged or destroyed, including: 131,400 private houses, 17,500 apartment buildings and 280 dormitories.

On top of this, a ton of Ukrainians/Russians have died.

If the Russian-speaking Ukrainians had moved at least they could have sold their houses. Now a ton of them have nothing or they are dead.

Both Russia and Ukraine are corrupt and authoritarian. So if you were expecting justice and wisdom from Putin, who is a divorced ex-KGB agent who rarely attends church, you were looking in the wrong place. Conservative (talk) 22:26, June 16, 2023 (EDT)

A great dentist does minimally invasive dentistry. He doesn't go on a reckless tooth-pulling spree and cause a ton of damage. If Putin were a dentist, I would never walk into his office. Conservative (talk) 22:33, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Oh, so Ukraine committed 149,300 war crimes using human shields. I congratulate you on your success. RobSGive Peace a chance 22:44, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
This is a war crime: hiding tanks in civilian structures. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:52, June 16, 2023 (EDT)
Bigger Better Stronger - Donald Trump Remix. Let hope for MAGA 2024! (See: [[Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future|The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future]]). USA! USA! USA! Conservative (talk) 23:55, June 17, 2023 (EDT)
For some reason, you keep introducing the names "Donald Trump" and "Republican" into discussions on the current situation in Ukraine; I'm left with the impression that if the neighbor's dog kept pooping in your yard, you'd respond, "Just wait til the next election, the Republicans will fix that!" RobSGive Peace a chance 02:14, June 18, 2023 (EDT)

China/Taiwan - the Coming War. Within community of security experts, no longer if but when. Most likely by 2027. Prepare

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov comment during Q & A at the Leaders of Russia Management Competition, Moscow, March 19, 2022. [3] NYT journalist Tom Friedman joked, "Grandma always said never fight Russia and China at the same time." [4]

We are in the Great Calm before the Storm. But don't be deceived. The Storm's Coming. Prepare. Don't panic, but prepare. Spiritually, and in every other way. Including by educating and spreading awareness about the Great Evils of Communism, including the 65+ MN dead under the CCP in Mao's time.

Tweets: "Translated from Spanish by Google: "On the possibility of a war, @jmhumir assures that, within the community of security experts, the issue is no longer about if the war between China and the US will happen, but when it will happen" https://twitter.com/AmericanoMedia/status/1674873742797750283

and: "When we talk about China 🇨🇳 #PCC there are three dates that we should all keep in mind:

2049 - Anniversary of the PRC and China wants to dominate the world.

2030 - China wants to be the world economic power.

2027 - China wants to annex Taiwan.

The question is not whether there will be a conflict with China, the question is whether we are prepared to stop them."

https://twitter.com/jmhumire/status/1674903598029783047 NishantXavierFor Christ the King 21:03, June 30, 2023 (EDT)

China doesn't need to annex Taiwan, it's already part of China. Blinken just said so. [22] RobSGive Peace a chance 22:30, June 30, 2023 (EDT)
This war was originally suppose to happen in 2021, but got cancelled cause of the pandemic, I suppose. Then it was pushed back to 2022; last week we were told 2025, Now it's 2027 cause the globalists and military industrial complex got themselves in a bind in Ukraine, and the original plan was to knock out Russia first. They can't carry out their aggression against China without knocking out Russia first, which will never happen cause Russia will nuke the globalists before that ever happens.
This planned US aggression against China looks more and more like scare tactics, like lockdowns, social distancing, and mask wearing - scare tactics for expanded government surveillance and societal control. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:44, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
The globalists and deep state want people to live in fear, whether it's the pandemic, Russia, China, white supremacists, etc etc etc. It is the source of their power, to get people to beg government for protection. We have not been given a spirit of fear, but of love, power, and a sound mind. RobSGive Peace a chance 01:48, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
Red China has been on the verge of attacking Taiwan for a long time. It's a journalism evergreen. There was more tension in 1996, when China was threatening to nuke Taiwan. Japan is planning a major defense buildup, so time is not necessarily on China's side. PeterKa (talk) 05:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
Why is it okay for the US to support Taiwan separatists but Russia can't back Donbas separatists? Oh, and don't gimme this 'Ukraine is a democracy' BS. RobSGive Peace a chance 05:25, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
The options are to be pro-separatist across the board or anti-separatist across the board? That seems rather limiting. PeterKa (talk) 06:39, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
I just have a hard time figuring out if separatists are good guys or bad guys. I note Western propaganda never refers to "US-backed Taiwan separatists" while the US official position recognizes Taiwan as part of China. And it's a little odd, seeing that providing arms to separatists is a violation of Chinese sovereignty and the UN Charter. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:15, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
I mean, I thought Putin was a bad guy cause he provided aid to Donbas, but the US has been doing the same thing to Taiwan for 50 years. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:21, July 1, 2023 (EDT)


Since 1945, in terms of military victories, the United States has experienced little except military stalemate and loss. On top of this, the huge military expenses have helped make the USA less secure due to their help in building up the enormous national debt.
In addition, the USA "community of security experts" have not secured the Mexican border - despite a very large amount of Americans dying of drug overdoses.
The current US "community of security experts" have a terrible track record - despite the USA having two enormous oceans helping to protect the USA and the USA having the friendly northern neighbor of Canada. So it's time to stop listening to them and find ways to reduce their funding.
Lastly, China is in bad financial shape and is a mercantile nation very dependent on foreign trade so its doubtful that they will attack Taiwan. In addition, amphibian assaults are difficult and even if Taiwan were successfully conquered by mainland China, much of its most valuable assets could be destroyed. Conservative (talk) 09:26, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
The Atlantic. Now there's another pro-neocon, pro-globalist deep state publication. The official publication of the Atlantic Council, which was behind the Russia collusion hoax and NATO war in Ukraine. Two questions: (a) Why do you fill your head with such crap? and (b) why do you even bring it here for serious discussion? If you believe reading and citing The Atlantic makes you look informed or intelligent, it doesn't. It makes you look naive and brainwashed. Thanks. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:31, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
Drain the swamp! Stop spilling swamp water all over CP Talk pages!. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:50, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

You are engaging in the genetic fallacy which is a logical fallacy.

So are you saying that America's post-1945 wars have been victorious affairs? At best, the best case that can be made is that South Korea is free. But the Korean War was a stalemate. And in 2020, President Donald Trump signaled that he wants South Korea to pay more than what Seoul is already paying for U.S. military presence there.

You blew it RobS with your past support for bloated USA military budgets. One of your heroes Colonel Douglas MacGregor says the USA military is bloated and needs to be pared down. MacGregor argues that it is the homeland that the USA needs to defend and that the USA should stop being interventionist overseas. Conservative (talk) 17:28, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Even the subheading you posted here has nothing to do with text you've posted. Go troll somebody else. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:17, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
Maybe Ace McWicked is eating too many French Fries and carbohydrates right now, and you could do an intervention and prolong his life. RobSGive Peace a chance 20:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
If a secular leftists website which claims to be pro-science is promoting the eating of junk food/ultra-processed food, of course there is nothing wrong with showing it is not practicing sound nutritional science nor is it practicing sound medical science. This is so obvious that your stubborn refusal to see the obvious is quite unreasonable. Conservative (talk) 23:35, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
Go ahead, continue. On behalf of Peter and Nishant, I want to thank you for disrupting and destroying our conversation. Thank you. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:41, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

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We were attempting to have an intelligent discussion about how to handle the China/Taiwan issue on the Main Page, and you intruded with irrelevant, poorly sourced, unnecessary claptrap, and made it impossible for three editors, Nishant, Peter, and myself, to cooperate and move forward, Thank you. You've had this disrespectful habit and attitude toward other good faith editors for as long as I have known you. RobSGive Peace a chance 23:45, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
No one is interested in listening to you pretend to sound intelligent, except yourself, when you do not even understand the purpose of a conversation between three other good faith editors. 23:47, July 1, 2023 (EDT)
Nishant recently upbraided you for engaging in personal attacks and other rude and boorish behavior. He did no such thing with me. Please exercise some self-awareness as it is needed. Conservative (talk) 00:51, July 2, 2023 (EDT)
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