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Putinizing the US economy

Trump tariffs essentially are Russifying or Putinizing the US economy. [1] It is the US consumer who pays the tariff - not the country the tariff is imposed upon.[1] The consumer has the free market choice to pay the tariff for an imported good, or buy a domestically produced good. The problem in the US, unlike what Putin had in Russia in 2014 when the trade war erupted with Russian sanctions is, America lacks the manufacturing base and capacity to produce import substitution. Factories have to be built, workers have to educated to operate machinery, etc. That will take years, and is a cultural shock to Americans who now go hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt with student loans only to emerge to find employment as pizza delivery or Uber drivers. This requires a change in educational curriculum from gender and race studies to something useful - like how to compete with robotics and automation for a factory job.

The path to economic self-sufficiency (Putinization or Russification) isn't as easy as User:Conservative and many others believe. While noble and glorious, and necessary, it's a longterm commitment not achieved by slogans and campaign rhetoric. Threatening Putin and Russia with nuclear war only complicates and delays that effort - if we are able to survive. The globalist effort to off Putin with regime change and steal Russia's mineral riches & assets will not succeed. Russia is undefeatable, and Trump knows this. RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:05, August 2, 2025 (EDT)

  1. ↑ Hence, like in Russia after Bill Browder's looting the country, exporting the profits and the rise of Putin who ousted Browder, the tariff money collected comes from the consumers and stays within the country eventually to create more jobs.

WSJ: World's largest automakers lost about $12 billion due to US tariffs

Aw, don't worry. Toyota & Volkswagen top the list ahead of GM & Ford. And we're just getting started. RobSZelensky Must Go!

Analytical thinking 101: What is meant by "loss"? Is it
  • Taxes paid that never made it as profit to shareholders? or
  • Anticipated sales that never happened leading to a contraction in manufacturing output & layoffs (i.e., bad news).

China suspends non-tariff measures after US extends tariff truce; Selective rollback targets medical equipment and aircraft leases in trade deal

[2] RobSZelensky Must Go! 12:48, August 12, 2025 (EDT)

IMO, that will never happen. Not after Obama, Victoria Nuland, and the US killed 100,000 Russians. It'll take at least a generation (i.e., about 30 years) to forgive and forget. Alienating Russia and driving them into the arms of China insured the loss of American hegemony more than a decade ago already. RobSZelensky Must Go! 23:53, August 20, 2025 (EDT)
America has to import gold? Who wudda thunk it? How do we do it? Crank up the printing presses to pay for it? Which foreigners are stupid enough to fall for that?

Target taking retail tags off clothes and charging more because of Tariffs

[3] RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:25, September 2, 2025 (EDT)

This will continue on existing inventories until the items are restocked with fresh imports. Meanwhile, the actual sales at the new higher price gives input to the seller on how much to purchase to restock depleted inventories. RobSZelensky Must Go! 13:28, September 2, 2025 (EDT)

Peter Navarro: If Trump Has The Power To Ban Trade, Then He Has The Power To Moderate It Through Tariffs

I'd like to be adding content again, but until Andy Schlafly takes action to insure User:Conservative will not, or cannot, cause disruption all I can do is post the source material. Thanks. RobSZelensky Must Go! 11:30, November 17, 2025 (EST)

A poorly written statute subject to expansive reading, or a clear case of Executive overreach by the Trump Administration -- pull out the Rorschach Cards.

Sean Foo: China Is CUTTING OFF Global CASH To U.S. Chip Giants – Financial Panic Has Started.

"The tariff war has backfired and this is putting the US on the back foot. Since April the 9th [2025], the dollar has been collapsing hard. It is down versus the G10. It’s also down versus emerging markets. And this poses a ton of problems. Not only does it make domestic inflation worse, but now investors are shunning the dollar. Why buy US bonds when the currency itself is falling? In other words, Trump destroyed the US leverage of a strong currency as a big pillar and reason why foreign investors actually buy American assets in the first place. But the common response is to hike interest rates as the fastest way to strengthen a currency. But the US is trapped at this point. Debt to GDP is well above 120%. ...

So much for "hammering China with tariffs". RobSRecovering Republican 17:56, December 24, 2025 (EST)

Gold Silver EXPLOSION Exposes USD Collapse & U.S. Commodity Panic - Brace For Impact

Remember this BS?
If Donald Trump is elected in 2024, it's hammer time for the Chinese and Russian economies.

There's probably some psychotic and delusional language that was cut n pasted from elsewhere in this article that needs review or editing. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 13:44, February 20, 2026 (EST)

Col. Wilkerson Sound The Alarm Of Impending Collapse

"There’s only one country in the world, bar none, that can even begin to help us with our debt, and you know who that is. So, we are in a real significant, empire ending, pickle right now."
“ we are going to cut ourselves away from the Ukraine war as fast as we possibly can. And we’re going to cut our way away from some of the things we’ve done to punish Russia. Because not only do we understand that in order to get Xi Jinping to do what he must do to save the American Empire--I don’t mean save it as an empire. I mean, you save it as an intact entity that doesn’t fall apart and begin to disintegrate. And he doesn’t want that. He doesn’t want that either--so, in order to get him to do that, we’ve got to be a lot more accommodating. And particularly with Russia--and with India to a certain extent--and with China. A LOT more accommodating.

I mean, he [Xi] is not going to sit down and write out a list: ‘This is what you’ve got to do,’ because he knows Donald wouldn’t understand a thing on the list, probably. Xi does understand, I think, that there are some people in administration are going to understand what they have to do and the speed and alacrity with which they have to do it. And so I look for one of two eventualities. We’re going to go smashing our way through this, trying to, and get roundly defeated on a number of fronts and have to back up and then collapse--really collapse, fiscally and otherwise. Or, we’re going to read the tea leaves--and I think this is what we’re doing right now, especially the Secretary of the Treasury--and we’re going to understand that we have to deal with Xi Jinping on an entirely different basis.

And I’m not saying we’re going to come hat in hand and beg, but we’re going to let him know through other channels that we are desperate and we need his help. And that’s going to tone and tint and color all these other things, too. I think it’s going to make a deal with Venezuela. All these military forces out there notwithstanding, there’s going to be a deal. And the deal is going to be good for Maduro, good for Venezuela, and good for the United States. And Trump can paint it any way he wants to, with whatever paintbrush and whatever oils he wants to paint it with. Or he can be an idiot. A deal is going to have to be made ...

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“ I'm told there was someone, I want to think that it was Susie Wiles but I don't know, especially since the interview she did, but there was someone in the administration that actually presented the little quip that we came up with, our media network and other guys, uh to Trump and it was that the United States is going to sell weapons it does not have to the Europeans for money they don't have, to the Ukrainians for soldiers they don't have. That's where we are in the reality of Ukraine. And I think the White House understands that now. ”

Washington Free Beacon: Supreme Court Tariff Ruling Shows ‘No Guardrails’ Was a Lie, Puts Congress on the Spot

A $4 trillion tax increase vote in an election year?

Trump has announced a new 10 percent global tariff, intensifying his trade policy just hours after the Supreme Court struck down his sweeping emergency tariffs as unlawful. The ruling represents a significant setback on an issue central to his economic agenda, but the president made clear he has no intention of retreating. ...

Under current law, the newly announced levies can remain in effect for up to 150 days unless Congress approves an extension. The administration now faces a compressed timeline if it hopes to make the tariffs permanent. [4]

"He already negotiated new trade deals with most of the world’s leading economies so his tariff-centric foreign policy has already been largely successful even if he’s ultimately unable to reach one with China...Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s lengthy dissenting opinion outlined the ways in which these tariffs would continue on different legal grounds, which inspired Trump to implement a 10% global tariff that he then raised to 15%....Bessent believes that the new workarounds will result in “virtually unchanged tariff revenue in 2026” while a pro-Trump journalist speculated that he “could in theory just declare a new emergency and restart the 150 day cycle” of tariffs under Section 122 if Congress withholds approval."
News Forensics: "Consider an average tax increase of $1,300 to $1,600 per U.S. household in 2026. The tariffs will drive inflation roughly one percentage point higher...[5]
This thesis is valid: tariffs are paid in cash by the US end consumer. Alternatively, a contraction (recession) in consumer spending and retail sales could take place. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 14:57, February 22, 2026 (EST)