Talk:Conservative of the Year 2023

Warning: User:Conservative has used editors' nominations to this list to attack the integrity of editors making nominations. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 12:45, November 9, 2023 (EST)

Intimidation tactics should not be used to limit nominations to this list and the Admin should be admonished. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 01:09, December 6, 2023 (EST)

Nomination

I want to nominate those figures:

Jeff Landry for his big victory in Louisiana gubernatorial race
Tucker Carlson for his courage to going against establishment until he was fired from Fox news
Jim Caviezel for his successful work in Sound of Freedom movie
Alejandro Gómez Monteverde for his direction of Sound of Freedom movie
Victor Orban for his standing against globalist ICC order to escalate war with Russia
Robert Fico for his victory in Slovak election

I would add Javier Milei if he win at Argentine presidential election --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:49, November 13, 2023 (EST)

Thank you. Go ahead, add them to the list. Don't let other editors try to intimidate you. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 18:54, November 13, 2023 (EST)

What about Elon Musk? I don't know if he's deserving of winning the title, but can we rate him as "conservative" (despite extensive ties to the MIC and globalists?) He's fearless in taking on Big Media. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 22:18, November 23, 2023 (EST)

There are so many good candidates it is hard to pick, but I would say that Elon Musk is an agnostic who explicitly has said that he is "not a conservative". On July 14, 2018, Elon Musk said, "To be clear, I am not a conservative."[1] Are we to believe that he became a conservative in the last 4 years? I don't think so. And he certainly hasn't called himself a conservative in the last 4 years. And Mr. Musk doesn't appear to be a social conservative in some respects (See: Talk:Conservative of the Year 2022).

I have other reasons why Musk should not be conservative of the year for 2023 (See: Talk:Conservative of the Year 2022).

With that being said, Elon Musk is a superb ally of conservatives as he leans to the political right on many issues. Conservative (talk) 16:56, December 17, 2023 (EST)

I nominate Tucker Carlson for Conservative of the Year in 2023. And I hope Mike Johnson merits being conservative of the year in 2024. Conservative (talk)

I will agree with either Tucker Carlson or Matt Gaetz to be conservative of the year --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:44, December 19, 2023 (EST)

I switch my Conservative of the Year vote from Tucker Carlson to Ken Paxton. Conservative (talk) 21:01, December 28, 2023 (EST)

I am switching my Conservative of the Year 2023 vote from Ken Paxton to J.D. Vance. Conservative (talk) 15:45, December 30, 2023 (EST)

Jason Aldean and Oliver Anthony

Is it okay if I add Jason Aldean and Oliver Anthony? Although Oliver Anthony has stated that he is a Centrist rather than a Conservative, his song "Rich Men North of Richmond" has Conservative messaging and the song's popularity has infuriated Leftists.--TheNewRight (talk) 16:31, December 20, 2023 (EST)

I see no reason why not. Anthony, if I'm not mistaken, is highly critical of Republicans (but then again, he's living in the backwoods of Virginia and still living in the Reconstruction era). RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:11, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Both would be great additions ... to the top tier! Thank you.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 17:17, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Thank you! I will add them both! I think Mr. Anthony's criticism of Republicans was more about criticizing the establishment and the globalists rather than criticizing them for solely being Republicans. Have a very Merry Christmas!--TheNewRight (talk) 22:49, December 23, 2023 (EST)

Judge Loretta A. Preska and Marsha Blackburn

Lately conservatives Judge Loretta A. Preska ordered to release Epistein documents at the Jan 1 2024. Sen Marsha Blackburn also worked for this documents to be released, can we add their names or should add them at Conservative of the Year 2024? --Alex Kosh (talk) 18:30, December 21, 2023 (EST)

Oh yah, Marsha Blackburn definitely. The other one I know nothing about. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 21:35, December 21, 2023 (EST)

RINO of the Year 2023

I formally request that such a page be created, as was the case for the previous two years.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:56, December 26, 2023 (EST)

I will create a page if that is okay with Mr. Schlafly.--TheNewRight (talk) 22:44, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Lindsey Graham's got it, hands down. He's getting his talking points from User:Conservative's Essays, too. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 23:50, December 28, 2023 (EST)

These are the psychotics we have running government - in both parties: "Hit Iran, blow it off the map". RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:49, December 29, 2023 (EST)

May we proceed with such a page?--Geopolitician (talk) 20:35, January 4, 2024 (EST)

I oppose the following nominees

Robert Fico- He is conservative only on social issues. On economics and on the European Union, he is well to the left of the GOP and even many European conservative parties.

Matt Gaetz- For advocating DeSantis supporter Bob Good, and later NeverTrumper Tom Emmer as potential successors of Kevin McCarthy.

Marjorie Taylor Greene- For not only standing by Kevin McCarthy before, during, and after his speakership, but also falsely smearing conservative McCarthy opponents as NeverTrumpers on multiple occasions.

Mike Johnson- For selling out on multiple issues after being elected Speaker.

Ron Johnson- For being one of the Senators who cowardly dropped their opposition to certifying the 2020 election results in response to the January 6 incident.

Javier Millei- For selling out on multiple issues after being elected President of Argentina.

Elon Musk- For bankrolling Ron DeSantis.

--Geopolitician (talk) 00:05, December 27, 2023 (EST)

Milei is the only one I would agree with. He just appears to be a PO'd populist at the establishment, which doesn't make him a conservative. The rest we can weigh in the balance and make excuses for, particularly Gaetz and Ron Johnson. Gaetz undermined the whole Deep State/NATO conspiracy to exterminate the adult male population of Ukraine without calling attention to himself, as well as de-canonizing Nazi war criminal Saint Zelensky with no blowback on himself. Sheer genius. Ron Johnson is one of a few Senators to speak up and openly about the reality of Ukraine, which forgives much. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:14, December 27, 2023 (EST)

As to reactions to J6, they all experienced a "My Pet Goat" moment. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:20, December 27, 2023 (EST)

I also oppose Lauren Boebert being on the list. She sold out hard to Kevin McCarthy after he became Speaker. She supported NeverTrumper Tom Emmer to replace him. She cowardly abandoned her district for another one because she expected to lose re-election, a move which could potentially cost House Republicans not one but two seats. And don't even get me started about a certain public incident between herself and her Democrat boyfriend.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:19, December 29, 2023 (EST)

That's assuming Colorado has free and fair elections (remember Tina Peters?). The caucus as a whole elected Kevin McCarthy. He's not the hard-core Satanist some people tried to paint him. (In fact, McCarthy is right: the GOP only gained control of the House in 2020 because McCarthy flipped 5 seats in California. If the GOP loses control in 2024, it's cause they dumped McCarthy). RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 19:49, December 29, 2023 (EST)

Riley Gaines and Kyriakos Mitsotakis!!!

I oppose also this nominations Riley Gaines which is just a grifter who want to got attention and fame that has nothing to do with conservative women values, and the evidence her latest released softporn calendar. I am embarrassed how she has been in top tier while Ayaan Hirsi Ali not.

Conservative Women's Swimsuit Calendar Angers Christians: 'Demonic'

I oppose also Kyriakos Mitsotakis prime minister of Greece, he didnt do anything to immigration, he only sold his country to NATO and Ukraine agenda despite being Orthodox. He choose unmarried woman to be president of Greece, and now he seeks to legalize gay marriage to satisfy his globalist masters

Greece’s Prime Minister Plans to Legalize Same-Sex Marriage

I am embarrassed how he ended up in top tier and not Viktor Orbán who stood against globalists on every single issue

I hope that last top tier to be review --Alex Kosh (talk) 23:52, December 27, 2023 (EST)

OMG! This reminds me of when jihadists beheaded mannequins in store windows. I think it's just an effort by TIME magazine to slander conservative Christians as "extremists". RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:05, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Would like any Conservative father to let his daughter be Softporn model, its up to you --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:17, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Well, Time' magazine is the last source I'd go to for a discussion or debate on what is and what isn't conservative values. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:20, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Conservative Women Shouldn’t Be Calendar Girls for a Beer Company. We Can Do Better.

Its in all sources and you can check twitter to realize how much conservatives are mad against her --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:26, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Probably Ukrainian bots. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:31, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Its called Poisoning the well fallacy Rob, you just can goggle it to see by yourself --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:32, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Well, I'm sorry girls are beautiful and attractive. That's something I'll just have to take up with God someday. I'll ask him why he didn't make all women look like User:Conservative's racist and bigotted stereotype of what Russian women look like, so we wouldn't have any problems. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:48, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Its not necessary to involve another user, and I am questioning if you are know god judging by your last comment --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:59, December 28, 2023 (EST)

By my estimation, God made women to be beautiful and to be attractive to men (1 Cor 11:7). And I don't quite see how beheading mannequins serves God. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:03, December 28, 2023 (EST)

So you really dont know god. God made women beautiful only for her husband not for public, God also made women to be respectable mother, good mother and wife dont made softporn commercials ads for alcohols --Alex Kosh (talk) 01:34, December 28, 2023 (EST)

That's Time magazine. When Time magazine stops taking money from the alcohol industry to post softporn on its pages, and/or conservatives stop polluting their minds with Time magazine, there might be something to talk about. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:37, December 28, 2023 (EST)

OMG poisoning the the Well again, I just showed another sources. --Alex Kosh (talk) 01:47, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Oh, a coordinated attack. What a coincidence, coming just days apart. Why do I have a feeling somebody is trying to persuade me of something different from my initial impressions? No, I'm not going to drop my beer and go back to Bud Lite. Neither am I going to switch to a brand that exploits some godless hooker or lost soul in need of Christ to ease my conscience and make me feel better. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 02:28, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Ooops! I have a confession, and an apology to make. I just realized it's Newsweek, not Time. My apologies to Time magazine for casting unfair aspersions upon them. All the same. Newsweek is just as bad as Time and pushes the same neo-fascist rot. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 02:53, December 28, 2023 (EST)

But I can understand the outrage people have when a professional swimmer poses in a swimsuit. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 03:04, December 28, 2023 (EST)

You lost the argument. You dont have anything to defend those nomination but just Well poisoning fallacy --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:11, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Okay, you got me. Conservative men should not financially support a conservative professional swimmer posing in a swimsuit, and should stick with financially supporting Dylan Mulvaney and other non-Chrisitan models. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 18:55, December 28, 2023 (EST)

False dilemma fallacy, you are need to much to know how to win argument. There are many pornstars who consider themselves as "Conservatives" probably you should nominate them too --Alex Kosh (talk) 20:50, December 28, 2023 (EST)

Oh, now you compare a professional swimmer to a pornstar. Bit of strectch, hmmm? RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 20:56, December 28, 2023 (EST)

She is only grifter and not "professional" at all TBW. Since she is doing softporn ads to alcohols, she isnt different from pornstars, whether she is doing that in conservative name or not --Alex Kosh (talk) 21:04, December 28, 2023 (EST)

I stand corrected. Let's call her a "swimming champion" who was robbed. Maybe you'd be happier with a Lia Thomas pin-up? RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 21:13, December 28, 2023 (EST)

It's a whole lot easier to condemn by name a girl who got robbed by the NCAA than a couple million perverts who buy the calendar, I 'spose. Let he among you without sin.... RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 21:19, December 28, 2023 (EST)

How she was robbed? Did she even won any awards and championships or she just got fame from nothing? We would never heard name of Lia Thomas if the west didnt turned on their Christian values. People who posed softporn and advertised to alcoholism like Riley Gaines are reason of that --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:37, December 29, 2023 (EST)

Maybe you're right. She supports DeSantis anyway. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:58, December 29, 2023 (EST)

As Mitsotakis, I have to agree. While his stance on immigration is responsive to the voters, he's still a warmonger & LGBT advocate. He must be reading User:Conservative's Essays, too. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 21:03, December 29, 2023 (EST)

Moving people between categories

Are we allowed to do that?--Geopolitician (talk) 19:13, December 29, 2023 (EST)

You can try it, but it might get moved back. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 19:25, December 29, 2023 (EST)

Feel free to move nominations around as we reach a consensus on this. No pick will be perfect.

Is Elon Musk bankrolling DeSantis??? I've never heard that. Instead, the Koch network is bankrolling DeSantis, but more recently has switched to Nikki Haley.

I'd assume that he is (perhaps through proxies), considering that he publicly backs DeSantis and is THE richest man in the world. He also has been accused of allowing some pro-Trump accounts to be shadow-banned due to their fierce opposition to DeSantis.--Geopolitician (talk) 11:46, December 31, 2023 (EST)

If Riley Gaines sells a calendar, I don't think that's a negative. It wouldn't be transgender, and this is a top issue as demonstrated by Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine's shameless veto today of good legislation.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 21:36, December 29, 2023 (EST)

Geopolitician, what's your view of JD Vance, now atop this list?--Andy Schlafly (talk) 02:20, December 30, 2023 (EST)

I have a high opinion of him.--Geopolitician (talk) 11:16, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Advertising in Bikini to alcohol beer brands its huge red flag and negative --Alex Kosh (talk) 15:13, December 30, 2023 (EST)

I think the alcohol part of that is worst than the bikini part. But if she cannot earn a living, then she cannot volunteer so much time against the transgender agenda. She was going to become a dentist.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:17, December 30, 2023 (EST)

If she cant earn living, its not good excuse to be Softporn model advertising for alcohol --Alex Kosh (talk) 15:37, December 30, 2023 (EST)

I've yet to see any evidence to support your claims. I mean, it's Newsweek, c'mon. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 15:44, December 30, 2023 (EST)

Your problem is only Newsweek not what she did (Poisoning Well fallacy again) --Alex Kosh (talk) 15:48, December 30, 2023 (EST)

I'm sure most conservatives don't have a problem with her doing something like that. If anything would turn them against her, it's her support for DeSantis.--Geopolitician (talk) 11:48, December 31, 2023 (EST)

(ec) I can't get the Newsweek link to load properly (thank God) to see what you're talking about, and the Daily Signal link apparently is a bunch of cut n paste reactions from brainwashed people who read the Newsweek hit piece. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 15:52, December 30, 2023 (EST)

Reply to the criticism of the Riley Gaines' ads: I don't oppose efforts to clean up culture and the media, but I'm also not a supporter of entirely asexual litmus test, either. Modeling by women a century ago was in dresses, while today it's in bikinis. I don't see that as a biblical or conservative issue. In some instances it is a liberal double standard that tries to limit conservatives to only monks and nuns, while it's just fine for liberals to earn a living however they like. That's an unnecessarily losing standard for conservatives in the long term.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 00:29, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Check how was women dress modestly century ago and how is now before you make judgement

https://twitter.com/alexkoc28643373/status/1736160664182226983

I think the common sense conservative would see Bikini as immodest dress which not fit to conservatives, and the worse of that making commercialized ads to alcohol with this immodest dress. Before Sexual Revolution married couples had more sex and had more children, this has nothing to do with asexuality --Alex Kosh (talk) 00:53, December 31, 2023 (EST)

So the millions of Conservative Dads who patronize and support secular, godless, and leftist models get a pass, but 1 conservative girl and spokesperson for women's rights and equal opportunities should be humiliated, cancelled, and burnt at the stake for wearing her work clothes in public. OK, makes sense. Sounds like justice in the 21at century. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:31, December 31, 2023 (EST)

There are many conservative groups, such as the Amish, who oppose bikinis. But it's not a litmus test. I doubt the issue is in the Republican Party Platform. I'll look for this after I post here.

I oppose the liberal double standard, which is used often against conservatives, that tries diminish our ranks by demonizing anyone who departs from liberals' stereotype of what a conservative should be. Thirty years ago a conservative candidate for U.S. Senate in California was smeared for going to strip clubs for entertainment, which he freely admitted and which is hardly unusual in that Hollywood-supporting state. Meanwhile, liberals' far worse conduct by their own is just fine. I cannot support that double standard, and I do not think that asexual appearances and puritanical conduct are a requirement to be a conservative advocate, spokesperson or candidate.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:47, December 31, 2023 (EST)

The Newsweek article is bait, and the Daily Signal took the bait and responded with cancel culture. It's not like she had a wardrobe malfunction or filmed herself having sex in a Senate hearing room to raise money for an election campaign. I don't recall Democrats or liberals having pangs of conscience over those matters. They just move on to the next, more outrageous scandal. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 02:29, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Its not only Amish, but every real conservative Christian and Catholic oppose Bikini

here what Saint Pope John Paul II wrote about this dress: A bikini does not reveal a woman's worth as a daughter of God. It does not reveal her brilliant mind, beautiful heart and eternal soul. It reveals only her body - and that is not nearly close enough to describing who she is as a child of God.

I didnt call for cancelling her, I said she doesnt deserve nomination here. There are much more conservative who deserve to be in top tiers more than her

Tucker Carlson, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Viktor Orbán, Matt Gaetz, Mike Johnson and Marsha Blackburn who were act much more conservative than her in this year. I dont know what standards of this nominations, but I know its not beauty pageant --Alex Kosh (talk) 16:43, December 31, 2023 (EST)

She's a leader and a role model to America's youth, not just for her accomplishments as an athlete, but for her courage in standing up to liberal fascism. And if it takes wearing a bikini to call American youth's attention to importance of countering this issue, I say let's have more of it. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 16:52, December 31, 2023 (EST)

So I hope your daughter become like her. Hopefully my daughter wouldnt ever did softporn ads to alcohol brands --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:01, December 31, 2023 (EST)

C'mon now, you know the Newsweek article was written and published to poison the well from the gitgo. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:03, December 31, 2023 (EST)

You dont understand poisoning the well. Here is from the beer website, showing their calendar ads with her photos

https://ultrarightbeer.com/products/conservative-dads-real-women-of-america-2024-calendar

--Alex Kosh (talk) 18:06, December 31, 2023 (EST)

OMG! Now we're trying to squash entrepreneurship of the little guy! CP's not on the WEF oligarchy's payroll, yet. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 18:23, December 31, 2023 (EST)

JD v. Ben

For #1, JD Vance versus Ben Carson is a tight race between 2 superb conservatives. Ben is more accomplished professionally and has a longer track record. JD is an outspoken US Senator terrific on foreign policy. Input welcome!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 03:44, December 31, 2023 (EST)

JD's Senate seat and pivotal role in a swing state, plus his conservative outspokenness on foreign policy issues and the Ohio Issue 1, appear to give him the edge this year. But Ben would be a great winner also!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:51, December 31, 2023 (EST)

I didnt see anything significant happened from JD Vance or Ben Carson this year. From this four nominations that you choose, I will choose Ken Paxton who survived RINO and Democrat impeachment and proved to be best State AG in the country --Alex Kosh (talk) 17:25, December 31, 2023 (EST)

J.D. was one of the first Senators to speak up and get anti-Nazi Republicans to come out of the closet. Dr. Ben is still a developing story. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:41, December 31, 2023 (EST)

I was expecting him to be much better, and to be much better even from Josh Hawley, until now I didnt see anything significant. Ben Carson nothing significant this year --Alex Kosh (talk) 20:18, December 31, 2023 (EST)

J.D. was slow out of the gate, probably cause the well was poisoned against critics of the fascist dictator Volodymyr Zelensky by the MSM some time ago. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 20:26, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Several last minute proposed nominations

Laura Loomer, for her tireless dedication to exposing the malfeasance of Ron DeSantis' political machine.

Thomas Massie, for having the courage to publicly dissent against the House GOP's seemingly unconditional support of Israel, although I'll admit at some points he went too far with how he expressed that dissent.

Matt Rosendale, for this moment. Donald Trump isn't perfect, and if he's in the wrong then he's in the wrong. Trump was in the wrong on McCarthy, and Rosendale correctly put fidelity to conservative principles over pleasing Trump at that crucial moment. Meanwhile, Rosendale remains the only veteran member of either house of Congress to maintain a perfect voting record, per the John Birch Society itself. There are five others with a perfect score but they are freshmen and have one more year left to prove themselves. Despite his record, Rosendale is being unfairly smeared as a RINO by Trump loyalists, most notably Marjorie Taylor Greene. This by the way is one of several reasons why I would nominate her for RINO of the Year should we proceed with such a list for 2023.

The other five members of Congress who according to the John Birch Society have thus far maintained a perfect voting record, but are freshmen and still have another year to prove themselves. These people are: Josh Breechen, Elijah Crane, Harriet Hageman, Anna Paulina Luna, and Andrew Ogles.

On a related note, Rand Paul continues to hold the title of most conservative member of the Senate. His lifetime score is a 95%, per the John Birch Society.

Only five members of Congress consistently opposed Kevin McCarthy from beginning to end. They refused to vote for him for Speaker on any ballot in January, and they voted to vacate in October. These five are: Andy Biggs, Elijah Crane, Matt Gaetz, Bob Good, and Matt Rosendale.

James O'Keefe, for being ousted from Project Veritas for what I assume was supporting Trump over DeSantis.

And last but not least, Donald Trump. For obvious reasons. --Geopolitician (talk) 11:44, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Added your nearly a dozen superb nominations. Two-time winner Trump is a terrific additional suggested nomination and he's already mentioned multiple times in the list by giving people credit for supporting him. He's the frontrunner for 2024.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:53, December 31, 2023 (EST)

I don't see Trump himself named as an individual nominee, though. Are we leaving him off because he belongs in a class by himself?--Geopolitician (talk) 16:59, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Also, I personally consider Massie standing up to the pro-Israel wing of the GOP to be a separate achievement from standing up against foreign aid in general. Would you agree?--Geopolitician (talk) 17:01, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Matt Gaetz is double-nominated. I think he should remain independently nominated by himself, and dropped from the "also ran" entry. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:07, December 31, 2023 (EST)

I agree.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:18, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Geopolitician, you're right about Massie. How to precisely word that is not straightforward, and I'd prefer to quote him if possible. Might you have a link to a tweet by him that I could insert? Thanks.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 22:18, December 31, 2023 (EST)

How about this one?--Geopolitician (talk) 23:19, December 31, 2023 (EST)

On a related note, Massie does appear to be an anti-Zionist himself, given this tweet.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:27, December 31, 2023 (EST)

Geopolitician, thanks for your links, where Massie does say that "Antisemitism is deplorable, but expanding it to include criticism of Israel is not helpful." Your other link is to a cartoon posted by Massie that I frankly do not understand. Massie's vote was against foreign aid to Israel, which I think he generally opposes. Massie is a courageous conservative and was honored here with Conservative of the Year 2022. I think saying that he is anti-Zionist would go further than what he's said himself. Thanks for your insights.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 01:21, January 1, 2024 (EST)

The second link is a meme which essentially states that Congress stands for Zionism rather than American patriotism. Many people (both Zionist and anti-Zionist) see this meme as saying that Congress is "Israel first", or even saying that support for Israel is inherently anti-American. Both ideas are commonplace in anti-Zionist circles, which is why Massie is now being accused of being an anti-Zionist.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:45, January 1, 2024 (EST)

On a related note, I myself no longer support Israel and even agree with some (but not all) anti-Zionist talking points. And I think it's high time that others here gain the courage to see Israel for what it's become under the leadership of Benjamin Netanyahu. Only once he and Likud are out of power should we even consider supporting Israel again.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:53, January 1, 2024 (EST)

It's hard to have a discussion here in Conservapedia on these vital issues at this crucial moment in time, especially with all the neo-Nazi trolling by User:Conservative over the past 6 months. But here's a message from Africa, from Idi Amin's son that we can only observe and not respond to as this anti-Semitism sweeps the planet, we can only observe largely due to User:Con's pro-Nazi trolling and his attuning his screeds to Google algorithms while suppressing dissenting voices. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 22:18, January 1, 2024 (EST)