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Andy, as conservative voices continue to get silenced and the places we can go online continues to dwindle, have you considered capitalizing on this and putting together a "sister" to Conservapedia that is purely discussion driven? It is smart that talk pages ought to be used specifically for the page that it is associated with, which makes the 90/10 Rule a wise thing to continue. But if you had a "sister" site that did not have a 90/10 rule and wasn't encyclopedic at all, it is very likely this would drive users toward the 'pedia section and make it grow as well. So its said, this would not rule out skipping the setup phase and partnering up with a conservative forum that already exists. But partnerships have their pros and cons.

Just thinking out loud. Progressingamerica (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

We could do an advertising campaign for an "Open House" and "New and Improved Conservapedia". We got enough well trained moderators to kick out racist leftist infiltrators before a scandal erupts.
Progressingamerica: we got you Party switch myth article headlined and linked from MPR right now. RobSLive Free or Die 18:17, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
I believe I was the one who created the U.S. "Party-switch" myth article, with other editors adding large amounts of information to the page. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:29, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Also, advertisements would be a great idea. Maybe some on YouTube? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:43, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
It'll take some planning cause you know that CCP/DNC/BLM/Antifa/RW subversive trolls will try to infiltrate to discredit. RobSLive Free or Die 19:40, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Yes, that's a good point. If other editors do agree with us on making ads though, how will the entire process go? I'm unfortunately not a video tech expert. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:02, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

Perhaps, Conservapedia could use an existing chat/discussion website for this and not recreate the wheel.

I suggest these free options:

1. Discord

2. An invitation only area discussion area could be set up for free at:

  • Slack. It has text/audio chatting (and possibly video chatting as well).

I hope this helps.Wikignome72 (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

Those are great suggestions for discussion groups, though what about the idea of making advertisements? I think the latter idea would be really cool, especially in an election year where it would be great to further reach out to people on the internet. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:07, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
These are all great ideas. I'm just thinking, now is a good time that would easily be a good opportunity. Would be a shame to waste it. Progressingamerica (talk) 21:25, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
So you mean like run 10 second ads on Youtube with like <brainstorming here> A picture of Uncle Sam pointing his finger with a caption like "Tired of Liberal banning? The Conservapedia Discord channel wants you!" (with link). RobSLive Free or Die 21:37, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
I was thinking something more like a six-second ad saying: “Tired of the fake news media? Catch up on real news with Conservapedia!” —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:45, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
I'm not opposed to advertising, although some platforms would probably block us, including Google (and thus, YouTube). However, it seems a little odd to spend money on advertising a discord channel. It would need to be something unique.
That said, if an open forum for conversation is what you want, that is easy to find...there is certainly no need to reinvent the wheel. Some time ago, we had an IRC channel, but no one really used it, so I finally killed it off. Mainstream options like Discord and Slack could work, although I would suggest staying away from Google groups. Or, we could try something which is less likely to censor us, like Gab Chat. The key is, though, would it actually be used? I know IRC is considered old and uninteresting now, but the fact that no one really used it despite its excellent availability (no user accounts even required, although they are available, and it could be accessed through many tools and platforms) makes me wonder if such a forum would ever actually be used. I'm not at all opposed to it, I just don't want us wasting time and effort if it isn't going to be utilized. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:19, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
I like the idea of Liberaltears; but we have to create new content daily to keep up, like Defund the Police, etc. we need to shape narratives, not sit back and wait for things to develop. This means recruiting more volunteers, people to do maintenance work, etc. More patience with newbies, and training them.
We know what to watch for - anybody not on the attack against the Left, and anybody trying to imply the Right is racist. Other big disputes regarding the nature of conservativism we can put on hold til after the election. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 23:39, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Thank you RobSmith! Also, just for clarification, I was thinking about advertising for Conservapedia (this official site) and not a potential discord group. In addition, there is a way to prevent Google from blocking us; taking a cue from this article regarding the recent Supreme Court ruling, we can simply invent a "gender" and all identify as such; that way, if Google does choose to block us, then we can accuse them of "bigotry" since these tactics have been set as precedents by liberal snowflakes. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:44, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
Invent a gender? You mean like ConservXXx with an extra chromosome? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 23:55, 16 June 2020 (EDT)
How about "Conservapedian"? Maybe not best to associate "XXx" with conservatism, as we don't want people to get the wrong impression. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:28, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Maybe I got it backwards; it might be ConservXYy. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:46, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

Andy Schafly, might want Telegram to be used instead for a chat channel because it sounds more mainstream than Discord. But I really don't know much about Discord and Telegram as far as their pros and cons.Conservative (talk) 00:17, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

What do you get if you subtract a quantum from a quintum? Answer: a forum. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 00:03, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

Vladimir Zelenko comes out of his shell, opens tentative dialogue with New York Times

"This NYT article is a prime example of the clear effort to paint #hydroxychloroquine as a right wing ploy, instead of as medicine that (when used correctly) can save countless lives.

"NYT should be ashamed. A useless partisan rag not fit for toilet paper." VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 06:36, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

A lot of idiocy enters into the world via partisan, political maneuvering. Leaders lead by example. Trump/Pence should wear a mask more and do social distancing more. On the other hand, Biden wearing a mask outdoors when he is way over 6 feet away from people is idiotic.
Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment should be used more too.Conservative (talk) 09:07, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Biden?, “I mean, hopefully you got the last deep state white presidential candidate who is bumbling and dumb and disheveled and has blood dripping from his eye. I mean, that’s a nightmare, man.” RobSTrump 2Q2Q 09:45, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
The FDA announced yesterday that it is revoking its approval of the drug.[1] Three large, randomized studies were published just recently. Two of these studies are of patients recently exposed and the third is of hospitalized patients in Britain. So the drug's effectiveness at all stages of covid-19 has now been examined. Unlike the bogus Lancet study, these studies don't find any increase in mortality, only that the drug is not effective in treating covid. Medical opinion has certainly turned against HCQ. See "Big studies dim hopes for hydroxychloroquine" (June 12). HCQ is far cheaper than any alternative therapy for covid, so it's a pity things turned out this way. PeterKa (talk) 10:47, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
What difference does it make if public opinion, MSM, and rioters turn against the covid science experts? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:04, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Vargas, I believe you misspelled The New York Slimes. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:14, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
We're all getting slimed. Peter, Dr. Zelenko keeps emphasizing you need to take it as early as you can; even by the time you get to the hospital, it may be too late; one of the studies you cited treated late-stage patients. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 15:05, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

John Bolton's book

Neocon arch-agitator John Bolton's book has been forwarded to the press in advance. According to staff from both the New York Times and the Washington Post who have received advanced copies, Boltons claims include:

  • In May 2018, Trump told Erdogan that he would intervene in an investigation into a state-owned bank by the SDNY.
  • Barr privately opposes Trump's coziness with autocratic leaders.
  • Pompeo privately opposes Trump's North Korea policy, and he once slipped a letter to Bolton calling Trump "full of s--t."
  • Trump wants the 22nd Amendment repealed.
  • Trump privately supports the use of concentration camps in Xinjiang by the Chinese government.
  • Trump's entire foreign policy is driven by his desire to be re-elected.
  • The Democrats made a big mistake by focusing only on Ukraine during the impeachment proceedings; had they widened the scope of the inquiry they would've had a much better chance at convincing Senate Republicans to vote to convict.

Source

--Geopolitician (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

This is actually great news, in my humble opinion. Another neocon discredits his own (insidious) movement. --Geopolitician (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
<yawn>We seen this movie before during the impeachment scam. In the end everything blows up. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:49, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Do you think we can count on a Democrat to: cut the deficit? build the wall? Trump's insurance policy was not doing those two things, and it paid off handsomely. Hell, yes get re-elected! VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 18:57, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
So let's see, how does this work? A guy works a job for $150,000 year for 18 months and makes $225,000; then he gets a book deal for $2 million based on his access to classified information. What kinda classified information? Andy McCabe buying a conference table for $30,000? The FBI knowing there was no Trump Russia collusion? 53 Obama co-conspirators lying? What possibly could Bolton know or have to say being that Trump cut him out of the loop? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 18:41, 18 June 2020 (EDT)
Here's an interesting take: Left Gargles John Boltons' Diarrhea: And Will Probably Regret Doing So. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 07:02, 19 June 2020 (EDT)
I'm going to write a song, John Bolton's book lies a'moulderin' in the grave. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 22:48, 3 July 2020 (EDT)

More attacks against Susan Collins

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Apparently Sara Gideon, who adjourned the state legislature amidst the CCP pandemic so she could skip work and campaign for U.S. Senate,[2] ran an ad (see here) attacking Susan Collins for actually working hard to provide relief to Americans. Certainly says a lot about Democrats these days... —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:22, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

Obvious human rights forgotten

There are folks all over the country waiting their turn to redress their grievances in open local, state and national courts and legislatures. And somehow they did it without dressing in a uniform and doing the stupid things the socialist Antifa thugs (and their enablers) are doing. For shame! VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 23:03, 17 June 2020 (EDT)

DACA decision

The DACA decision actually strengthens the Executive dictatorship. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 08:19, 19 June 2020 (EDT)

I think it's quite a cruel decision. Children crossing the border without their parents was never a problem before DACA. Now gangs kidnap kids in Central America so they can cross the border with the kid providing legal protection. John Roberts and the other justices who voted for this own the "kids in cages" policy.
That Gorsuch voted against this decision suggests that his opinion in the Title VII case was a one off. His opinion in that case was cleverly reasoned, but I think still wrong. Perhaps he was caught up in the brilliance of his own arguments. What's up with Roberts? Was he a liberal all along, hiding it until it mattered like a KGB mole? Roberts supervises the FISA court, so the Carter Page warrant can be placed at his doorstep. That is to say, Roberts authorized surveillance on the Trump campaign, presumably including spying on Trump himself. Nixon had to resign for less. The bottom line is that we are back to a Supreme Court with a 5-4 liberal majority. PeterKa (talk)
It's up to the voters now. Return 51 Senators and the "liberal" seat of RBG goes hard right.
Hey, send my friend Steve Daines $5 bucks, will ya? RobSTrump 2Q2Q
The court admits that Obama had no authority to enact DACA, but calls Trump's revocation “arbitrary and capricious.” Isn't rule of law reason enough to revoke an unconstitutional act?[3] It's clear that this issue will be back at the Supreme Court before long.
The Keystone Pipeline is also going to the Supreme Court. It's basically the same issue. Can Trump reverse a decision that Obama considers to be part of his legacy? The lower court invalidated all of Trump's pipeline approvals, like they don't consider his presidency to be legit.[4] PeterKa (talk) 21:39, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
The ruling strengthens the hand of the Executive power to circumvent the Legislative power with Executive Orders, and insures that a successor must dot the i and cross the t's to undo an EO. It has little to do with racism or immigration as communists and the communist media would like you to believe. It strengthens the hand of an executive dictator against the people's elected leaders (note: the people elect the Congress, not the executive; the executive is elected by the states through the electoral college). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:40, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Trump explained that DACA goes back to SCOTUS. It's a procedural strike down and the merit of the case on whether illegal or not still moves forward.--Jpatt 22:16, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

2028: The end of diversity

Grutter v. Bollinger, June 2, 2003:

"[The Constitution] does not prohibit the law school's narrowly tailored use of race in admissions decisions to further a compelling interest in obtaining the educational benefits that flow from a diverse student body....
"[R]ace-conscious admissions policies must be limited in time...The Court takes the [University of Michigan] Law School at its word that it would like nothing better than to find a race-neutral admissions formula and will terminate its use of racial preferences as soon as practicable. The Court expects that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today."—Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, majority opinion.

Today's lawlessness looks like part of a squeeze play on this judgment.

VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 02:06, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

"Facebook has a secret 'Diversity Initiative Board' that governs the latest diversity push by the company, but those in the know are ordered to keep its existence quiet, according to an alleged internal HR report obtained by @Project_Veritas" (June 18, 2020)
Like the Somalian refugees in Minnesota, this odd kind of diversity benefits Facebook and H-1B immigrants (whom Trump finally blocked from entering as summer began) but does nothing for the people who already live here, except to allow them to watch their jobs as well as billions of dollars be renumerated to foreign nations. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:02, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

Trump and hydroxychloroquine

That is a possible reason why there was a lower than expected turnout at his speech. More probable though that an already vile man has sung so low that only extreme far right neo-fascists like yourself still support him, eh Andy.--Why22 (talk) 02:21, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Name the vile parts, if you can, Why22. As to the neo-fascism, well, that's YOUR SIDE of the fence, and it's been proven time and time again. Deal with it. Karajou (talk) 03:19, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
Why22, the existence of your conservative super-villians keeping Trump in power is too politically convenient to distracting us from the behavior of a certain New York governor and New York City mayor to be counted on as real! Uh-oh! VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 15:40, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
Do your part to distract by helping flood the media with more racial conflict stories that only grow more ridiculously motivated as outrage at the original prejudged incidents subsides, and they eventually run out of fresh incidents belonging to any kind of recently documentable trend of police racism in major crimes to fuel it. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:31, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

Have to hand it to the liberals, it was a smart prank. Many people who may otherwise have been interested, seeing that apparently 1 million had signed up, and thinking they wouldn't get seats, may not have come. And so, yes, there were some empty seats at the Trump Rally this time. But President Trump is still a Great President for All Americans and he will Make America Greater Still and Keep America Great. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 00:35, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

Especially when the whole speech was broadcast live from coast to coast on Fox News. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 01:03, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

Say "Phuc Bui" or get fired

No doubt Professor Matthew Hubbard had a point when told student Phuc Bui to “Anglicize” her name because it “sounds like an insult in English.” See "Professor Who Asked Student to ‘Anglicize’ Her Name Is Put on Leave." On the other hand, judging names is not really a teacher's responsibility. The student will figure this stuff out on her own eventually. I once had a student named "Ding Dingding." After I read the name in class, I said, "Well, that's a name you don't forget." She was hugely embarrassed and changed it immediately. PeterKa (talk) 00:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

Fascist sandwich

Paul Krugman just served up conservatives a fascist sandwich. Here's a description of that stale repast:

"Funny how these things keep happening — scheduling a rally in Tulsa on Juneteenth, using a Nazi symbol in campaign ads. Why, it's almost as if the Trump campaign is full of white supremacists and fascists, who can't help themselves"

Well, Trump changed the date, and even though Oklahoma's celebrations are sympathy celebrations for Texas, and not a national or Oklahoma official civic holiday, that, nevertheless, blacks and others would have had all day to honor as work allowed this year, if they chose, Trump's campaign somehow managed not to explode in anger, despite being full of white supremacists, at the embarrassing setback of blacks making them do what they didn't want to do. Talk about your laid-back white supremacists!

I just read something interesting by Aristotle. He noted that while substances as substances (expressed by nouns) generally don't admit of indefinite quantity or degree, qualities as noun modifiers (expressed by adjectives) generally DO admit of indefinite quantity or degree.

Bearing that in mind, I wonder just how much a generic type of triangle should be regarded a Nazi symbol. Krugman won't answer by supplying us an adjective. Hey, with that mindset it's no wonder liberals want to end the Second Amendment! They must be scared silly everytime they see their kids' math homework! Maybe we can abandon answering questions like these as yet lacking "substance".

In Paul Krugman's world, or sandwich, the secret ingredient is, that everybody is rushing in hysterical eagerness to abandon conservative positions to compromise with communists because they either feel (a) threatened or (b) eager to embrace all of communism's great ideas without taking the last step of sharing the fruit of our labors with the communist organizations who...need it the most.

Perhaps Krugman can't help himself; if he's being truthful and informed about what he thinks, he must think there is a titanic American civil war roiling the Trump campaign in a tug-of-war secretly committed to advancing against blacks and then just as secretly, committed to yielding to them! And while the civil war in America is quite the Democratic archetype that we somehow keep coming back to, there's room for doubt whether Krugman is holding the reins on his imagination with regard to these presumed movements taken severally, or rather, yes, sadly, his honesty.

But you know what? If Krugman would spend some time listening to the rallies with respect to himself and his movement, instead of dismissing them, he might even be surprised to discover that conservatives...are not all that impressed with what he does! VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 03:36, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

So Antifa uses Nazis symbols. Interesting. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:54, 22 June 2020 (EDT)
Jordan Peterson, prophet. [5] RobSTrump 2Q2Q 21:07, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

They're coming for Jesus

The next "Confederate statue" could be Jesus: "Shaun King says Jesus images 'a form of white supremacy' that must go: 'They should all come down'." That the media would bash Trump for holding up a Bible in front of St. John's Episcopal Church was an ominous sign. Muhammad was the religious founder who owned slaves, not Jesus.

So who is Shaun King? Tucker Carlson describes him as the most prominent BLM activist. See "Shaun King: ‘White man on my birth certificate is not my biological father’." (There is no question that his mother is white.) Like Elizabeth Warren, his political identity is based on easily debunked ethnic identity claims. If all of us claim to be black, will that solve the racial problem? PeterKa (talk) 23:58, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

The October presidential debates

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The media successfully scared Trump supporters away from Tulsa with coronavirus and protester talk. The enormous YouTube numbers show that Americans still hunger for Trump talk. But The New York Times doesn't take responsibility for this "dirty trick." Instead, they blamed it all on Tik-Tok and K-pop fans. If you really believe it was Tik-Tok, that would mean that a Chinese-owned company was interfering in our election. But no one is calling for an investigation of Tik-Tok, nor should they, because the whole story is obvious nonsense. Trump rallies are general admission, so unused reservations don't have any effect on attendance. At any rate, the media thinks of Tulsa as a brilliant success, so they will try the same covid "now-its-here,-now-its-not" strategy again. Biden's mental abilities have visibly declined just since the beginning of the campaign. How is he going to handle a debate with Donald Trump? Here's how: "Sources: U-M to withdraw from hosting October presidential debate." PeterKa (talk) 00:58, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

Can Trump recover?

Trump's net approval dropped from negative 7 points on May 20 to negative 13 points now.[6] So the man is in a slump. What's more, he doesn't have any idea what to do about it, judging from his performance at the Tulsa rally. The view of the riot-happy media is that Americans suddenly became very concerned with police racism following George Floyd's killing. Uh, I am going to go with, Americans don't like riots much and they are looking for a someone who projects law-and-order. Despite a spectacular economy, the 1967-1968 riots tanked Lyndon Johnson's poll numbers. Trump does do some and law-and-order rhetoric, but he seems to be more interested in beefing with Scarborough and Bolton. Of course, we've seen Trump slump before. After a fall in the polls in August 2016, he hired Kelly Ann Conway, cut the beefing, and starting acting like a professional politician. Things turned around fast. U.S. Senator Tom Cotton is the only notable leader who has stood up to the rioters so far. I'd make him defense secretary. PeterKa (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

You really take any of that poll rot seriously? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:39, 24 June 2020 (EDT)
Do you prefer the betting markets? It's pretty much the same story. On May 20, Trump had a 50 percent chance of reelection compared to Biden's 42 percent chance. Now it's 55 Biden, 39 Trump. Before we get discouraged, here are the matchups for 2016. Trump was behind by double digits all through September. PeterKa (talk) 00:54, 24 June 2020 (EDT)
Most people do not understand the function of polling at this measure of time. These polls do not gauge popularity or electability - they reflect the messaging of the candidate. They are experimental to find and tweek the correct message which will register and resound with which key demographic group. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:16, 24 June 2020 (EDT)
There are other reasons to be optimistic. Biden is the second string. By this I mean that he was considered as an option in 2016, but no faction preferred him to Hillary. He's older and no wiser now. Biden was leading in the Iowa polls for months. His support collapsed just a few days before the caucus was held. Something about the guy makes people who once supported him reconsider before actually voting for him. "Defunding the police" is now the Dems' centerpiece demand. It polls horribly. Biden has come out against the idea, but he has a track record of giving in to the radicals. Biden's version of police reform doesn't sound like an improvement. He wants the local police to be controlled by the DOJ, according to this interview with Trevor Noah. The idea is that the police will answer to BLM-type activists. Shouldn't elected officials be in charge? PeterKa (talk) 05:09, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

A few points:

1. Scientific models have a better track record at predicting elections than pollsters and betting markets.

"A political scientist at Stony Brook University based his prediction on a formula using primary results and his "pendulum of change" theory. A Yale professor tied his pick to economic factors. And a history professor at American University relied on a formula he developed in the 1980s.

Norpoth has successfully predicted every presidential winner since developing the formula for the 1996 presidential race. He also used his formula to review every presidential election since 1912, and found the indicators would have accurately predicted the outcome every time except 1960."[7]

Key point: Professor Norpoth predicts Trump will win in 2020.[8]

"The PRIMARY MODEL, with slight modifications, has correctly predicted the winner of all but one of the presidential elections since it was introduced in 1996; it predicted Al Gore in 2000, who lost the electoral vote though winning the popular vote. In recent elections the forecast has been issued as early as January and no later than March of the election year."[9]

The primary model predicts Trump will win.[10]

2. Although the betting markets are better than polsters, the bettering markets are not good at picking elections.[11][12]

3. The pollsters are not good at picking elections lately. I think it has to do with cell phone, robocalls and Republican women hiding their voting intentions to pollsters due to the media railing at Trump and other Republicans.

4. Americans typically don't pay attention to politics/elections during the summer. Polls this early have questionable accuracy.

5. The better and more expensive polls poll likely voters. The polls of registered voters are of questionable value because 30% of them do not vote.

6. Polls are often done by news organizations. And these institutions have grown more partisan. Therefore, relying on them to do accurate polls is rather dubious.

7. A June 2020, Zobgy poll has 55% of Americans believing Joe Biden is in the early stages of dementia.[13] One out of seven Americans over the age of 70 suffers from dementia. Biden is 77.

Joe Biden is not going to do well in the 3 presidential debates.

I realize that many Democrats will vote for Biden despite his early onset of dementia, but independents will not.

8. In today's divided electorate, it is turnout that matters. And Trump's supporters are far more enthusiastic.

On the other hand, Bush Sr. lost an election even though the economy was improving. But I do believe that the bounce in today's economy will be stronger.

9. Of course, with the factors such as coronavirus pandemic, riots and the economy affecting things, it will be harder for scientific models, betting markets and pollsters to predict elections.

I don't know how Trump is going to handle the coronavirus epidemic and older voters have high rates of voting. Trump on the high wire of trying to balance public health and the economy. And if the economy tanks in a big way, it will be harder to fight the pandemic due to having smaller financial resources. In addition, a lot of people get depressed/stressed and commit suicides, batter their wives, etc. in a heavily tanking economy.

10. I have noticed that knowing trends more often gives one a better insight into the world than following the news/pundits because these often favor sensationalism and getting clicks.

I have decided to not follow politics anymore and focus on other matters. Politics is rather juvenile and petty nowadays. I have also noticed that the most political people often let their poltics skew their view of reality. So I have no dog in this fight.

I have decided to not follow the news until November 5, 2020 afternoon and work hard on other things.Conservative (talk) 12:18, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

I won't hold you to that, in case a big story comes, but I wish you success in your other endeavors. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 15:33, 24 June 2020 (EDT)
Kamala Harris and Marc Elias are back in the news. Throw in Anita Dunn, and that's the committee doing this remake of Weekend at Bernie's. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 14:25, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

Portland update

Portland enters its 4th straight week of daily violent antifa-led protests. In addition to massive property destruction, officers have sustained injuries from improvised explosives, rocks, ball bearings from slingshots & more. Early estimated cost to public is already over $6.2m. @MrAndyNgo

The wicked strut about on every side,
When vileness is exalted among the sons of men.(Psalm 12)

VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 03:20, 24 June 2020 (EDT)

Peter Strzok Flynn notes

Peter Strzok notes from 1/4/17 released in Flynn case:

"Discussion among Obama, Comey, Yates, Biden, and Susan Rice.
Biden: 'Logan Act'
Obama: 'Have the right people on' Flynn case.
Comey: The Flynn/Kislyak calls 'appear legit.'"

Joe Biden's denial, May 14, 2020, MSNBC's The Last Word:

"I was never a part or had any knowledge of any criminal investigation into Flynn while I was in office, period. Not one single time."

This is powerful evidence that shows:

  • Obama personally chose the investigators/prosecutors.
  • Obama knew there was no criminal basis but proceeded anyway (meaning it was a political decision).
  • All others attending, Biden & Comey included knew this and are implicated.

This basically answers the question: What did Obama know & when did he know it?

He knew Flynn was innocent in January of 2017 & personally ordered the prosecution anyway. @PointRanger

See Russiagate: Deep State coup 1.0/2017 Soft coup/January 2017#17Jan04

VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 00:35, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

Bingo. And these crimes are more serious than Watergate. (1) Domestic political spying; Nixon failed, the burglars got busted; and (2) subversion of a democratic election, transition team, and new administration. Obama will go into the ash heap of history, where he belongs (see also Kevin Black's, Democrats Will Never Admit Their Obama Mistake,
Obama will be exposed. And not just for being an empty suit. Obama will soon be toxic. Don’t sell that stock when it hits rock bottom; for pennies on the dollar. Get out of the market now.
"Obama’s legacy is doomed. And anybody who supports him will be tainted with his tarnished legacy. I realize it’s difficult to walk back undying adulation for a fool. But the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. " RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:06, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
$%&@#* You scooped me by forty minutes! Lol. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 02:29, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

New template: {{Anchor|Anchor name}}

The Anchor template allows you more flexibility in linking to parts of a wiki article! Sometimes sections are long, and what you want is hard to find even if you link directly to its section.

Just add the {{Anchor|Anchor name}} template wherever you wish in the section as shown, and it can be linked to from any other page using the "#" sign as if it were any other section, like: Russiagate: Deep State coup 1.0#2017Jan04. Good luck!

VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:37, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

So it doesn't have to go to a subhead? you just plant in the text. Ingenious! RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:45, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
Thank you, Rob. Go nuts with it or however you like! VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 02:00, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
Lemme try it out here:
Sidney Powell#They exonerated him completely
This whole article needs to be converted to narrative text, and it only covers 2 weeks in October 2019 (was interrupted by the impeachment sham). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 02:35, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

Statues

We could create a whole article on statues attacked and torn down, giving the significance of each. For example:

  • The Teddy Roosevelt statue was a New Deal project;
  • The Jackson statue, despite Jackson being a racist, significance being built right across from the White House lies in being a transition from the founding oligarchs, to the rise of the "common man" or "democrats". Jackson's significance is like Obama's, a transition or "first" representative of the common people.
  • Churchill, Lincoln, Ghandi, etc. -- this is who Marxists seek to eradicate the memory of in favor of their own heroes, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Che, Charles Manson, Rev. Jim Jones, etc.

I'm a bit too busy right now to begin it but could contribute. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 03:02, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

I thought the U.S. Grant story was especially revealing. He was a hero to left-wing historians until the mob tore his statue down. Although this statue was most likely torn down out of sheer ignorance, no one on the left objects. BET founder Robert Johnson makes a good point. The people taking down the statutes are whites who imagine they are acting in solidarity with African-Americans. But there is no reason to think that Blacks themselves care about this issue. The Venezuelans are apparently big on toppling statutes. Some of the BLM/Antifa leaders were trained in Venezuela.
Abraham Lincoln, Obama's favorite president, is next, according to this story. The empty spaces being created will have to be filled. But who is left-wing enough? Maybe Lenin, Chavez, and George Floyd. PeterKa (talk) 07:27, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
These are barbarians like the Vandals who are uncultured and have no hope of political identity outside of participating in a mob and then doubling down on it in hopes of provoking a reaction. They have shown us no grasp of America's history, values, laws or struggles that would be worthwhile for us to understand. The sooner they are forgotten the better. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 07:55, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
The communists have now crossed a line with he destruction of the Col. Heg statue. Full disclosure: as a kid I grew up playing around Col. Heg's house, a state historical marker. Everything I know about politics, history, and public service I learned there. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:27, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
Here. Looks like the home of rich, white, racist, oligarch who decided to leave all this luxury and go down South to get himself killed trying to free blacks, huh? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:40, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
Are you saying that the Civil War was about slavery? Rafael (talk) 02:16, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
"[T]he prevailing idea of the fathers...[was that] all men are created equal.... Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that Slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition."—Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, March 21, 1861.
VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 18:57, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

Daily fascist report

"'Conservatives are fascists, Taliban, and Nazis,' said the people who remove statues, 'other' their enemies, ban flags, use violence to intimidate, destroy livelihood of people who don't obey, and forbid opinions they don't like."—@Hale_Razor, June 17, 2020

So what if they're a different type of socialist than fascist; they mirror their methods so well, for those on the receiving end, it's a distinction without a difference. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 09:49, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

DEVELOPING: More than a dozen businesses inside CHOP zone, on Seattle's Capitol Hill, file 56-page class action lawsuit against the City of Seattle. They're seeking unspecified damages, to be determined at trial.—@PrestonTVNews VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 00:04, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Latest field reports this AM is there are only 21 Resistors still held out; hostages evidently may come and go as they please. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:12, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
We have to wait until July 4 when the Trump bikers do a victory lap. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:14, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
It was doomed to fail; these "trained Marxists" still haven't digested what Marx said about trying to build a revolution on the Lumpenproletariat; the Resistance imagine themselves as a bunch of Mao & Che figures; but you still can't build a revolution using homeless malcontents and drug addicts, although ACORN has tried for years. The Lumpenproletariat are in fact enemies of the Revolution as Marx said, and tools of the capitalists. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:20, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
In my town the Carpenters union used to hire a bunch of homeless scab picketers everyday over lunch from 11 AM to 1 PM. It almost looked like a real labor dispute until one day the foreman on the job threw a bunch of Snickers' bars out in the street and the protesters dropped their signs to run out and get them. Eventually a homeless woman sued the "organizer" of the strike for sexual harassment and that destroyed all the paid picketers' job. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:32, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
In Seattle, the occupation ended when the mayor told the churches to stop delivering sandwiches. Jesus strikes again! RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:34, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

The fake covid-19 surge

U.S. covid-19 deaths, Feb-June, 2020.
U.S. confirmed covid cases, Feb-June, 2020
As you can see from these charts, generated by Bing's covid-19 tracker, U.S. virus deaths are continuing their slow but steady decline. There were 847 deaths on June 10, 742 on June 17, and 688 on June 24. Yet today's news is full of panicky headlines about a surge in cases. See "U.S. hits highest single day of new coronavirus cases with more than 45,500, breaking April record." But of course cases are a function of how many people get tested. Europe is planning to lift its travel ban on July 1. But because of this fake surge, the U.S. could stay on the list of banned countries.[14] PeterKa (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
On Thursday, the U.S. had 644 deaths from covid-19. That's already a significant decline compared to Tuesday or Wednesday. The media really thinks we're stupid. This article has an improved version of the chart I gave above. PeterKa (talk) 06:45, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
If memory serves, an influenza outbreak under Obama killed 70,000 people.
On the other hand, according to Johns Hopkins, the USA has the 3rd highest amount of people who died per 100,000 people in this Covid-19 epidemic.[15] From what I read, it doesn't seem like Jared Kushner handled this epidemic well in the early stages, etc.
To be fair, America has a lot of overweight people and an aging baby boomer people. In addition, Americans are very independent people and many don't practice social distancing when in cases where it wouldn't really cost them anything to do so. In addition, America has a lot of immigrants from China and Europe and unfortunately those two areas got hid hard with Covid 19. So as a result, the USA had a lot of people bring COVID-19 into the USA (family ties to Europe and China, etc.).
I realize Americans have a can-do attitude in many cases (On the other hand, too many Americans think America is the best in everything). But the USA hasn't done a good job mitigating COVID-19 deaths.Conservative (talk) 07:26, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Allegedly it's all California, Texas and Florida. That shoots the warm whether theory in the butt. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 07:39, 26 June 2020 (EDT)


What's the R rate and what does the number of infections chart show? Rafael (talk) 13:08, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

I posted the infection chart above. Of course, fatalities are a lagging indicator compared to infections. Other countries are reopening, but none of them are experiencing a similar surge. Perhaps Obama should order BLM and Antifa to stop protesting. PeterKa (talk) 09:32, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
Both cases and deaths are way down in the last few days. I've upload the new charts already. It's certainly nice to be proven right so quickly. PeterKa (talk) 03:39, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
Bill Mitchell speculated that states were blaming a lot of Wuhan virus fatalities on what was really the flu, and now that flu season is over, they have nothing to blame it on. And thank you for the chart; I wouldn't have known how to present the data in a non-depressing way. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 06:13, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
If you look at the chart, nobody wants to report a covid death on a Sunday or a Monday. So I will compare Sunday to Sunday. There were 250 deaths reported on June 28 compared to 283 on June 21. PeterKa (talk) 10:41, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
I saw a Twitter rumor that a Florida Wuhan testing site was reporting all positive results, even when a health care provider sent in an empty swab!
Also, Wuhan virus testing cost $119 a few weeks ago, and now U.S. governments are providing them for free. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 19:31, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
Zerohedge: Houston Hospital Boss Shatters Media's COVID Fearmongering: "Only About 3 Or 4 More People In ICU".
Their stories are falling apart, alibis breaking down under examination, guilty finger-pointing now the rule!.... VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 20:09, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
What do you think" Florida is cashing in on that $13,000 per head bonanza? Shame on those Repukelicans. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 21:01, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Dixie Chicks

The Dixie Chicks changed their name to simply "The Chicks" due to the word "Dixie"'s supposed racist connotations, however, at the same time, the left and feminists also considers "chick" as offensive to women. Real45fan (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

They ain't chicks, either. What the word farmers use for a hen that stops laying eggs? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 21:31, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
I guess Dixie Chicks sounds a little like Dixiecrats, Strom Thurmond's segregationist party that was briefly active in 1948. It's an "almost dirty" word, like mastication, Uranus, or penal. The yahoos would come thinking that the group was an expression of Southern pride. Then they would be turned on to the Gospel According to Marx. BLM and covid-19 are now resegregating America. Integration won't survive the post-police era. So what's not to like about Dixiecrats? PeterKa (talk) 22:58, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

Babylon has fallen

Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great!
She has become a dwelling place for demons,
a haunt for every unclean spirit,
a haunt for every unclean bird,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast. (Rev. 18, ESV)

That's right: "Seattle's CHOP zone has "now concluded" according to project's Twitter account." Even their Twitter account is no more. PeterKa (talk) 02:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

What? 5 days past the Solstice and the Summer of Love is over? Just my luck.... RobSTrump 2Q2Q 07:36, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
This is all happening too fast. I was counting on commenting about this for months!
There's a real microstate on the high seas called Sealand. You can become an honorary citizen and everything! It's been going on for sixty years I think. Obviously the leaders of Sealand have machismo and the leaders at Seattle don't! VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 07:41, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

I read that when those lines were written, the real city of Babylon was still inhabited! It did fall, though, after about another 300 years. I got the feeling that while it remained, Babylon had become pretty puny. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 07:48, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

If there is no Summer of Love, all that remains are the Days of Rage. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 07:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Revelation is quoting Isaiah 21:9: ""And behold, here come riders, horsemen in pairs!” And he answered, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon; and all the carved images of her gods he has shattered to the ground.”" Isaiah is talking about the literal Babylon, which fell to King Cyrus of Persia in 532 B.C. In Revelation, Babylon is not the literal city, but a metaphor that has been interpreted to mean pagan Rome, the Catholic Church, and other things. PeterKa (talk) 10:24, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Yes it fell because a guy cut off his nose and went to live in Babylon saying Cyrus cut off his nose. Then the noseless guy arranged for Cyrus to attack Babylon twice by sending out his army, while he led the army to defeat them. Then he had Cyrus attack a third time, and the noseless guy held the city gates open for the attacking army, which captured Babylon.
I believe all you're saying, but I'm telling you, people lived in Babylon after Cyrus conquered it! VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 15:43, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
I found an anime version of the hymn "Babylon is Fallen". The Puritans believed that the Catholic Church would fall in 1666, so Cromwell's army would sing this hymn. PeterKa (talk) 22:05, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

Who benefits?

When there was a crime in ancient times, the Romans asked, Cui bono? (Who benefits?) Why are big tech companies are financing the mob? Here is a list of donations if you want to verify this for yourself. One item that popped out at me: Microsoft alone gave $1.5 million to BLM and similar groups. The Center for Policing Equity is a big recipient of these donations. This group is all about springing people from jail. The former prisoners can then go out destroy some retail property, I suppose. No more mom and pop stores diverting consumer dollars away from Amazon. BTW, Amazon itself paid $10 million to far left "anti-racist" groups. Airbnb paid $500,000. Have enough hotels been trashed yet? The future is a place where everyone will buy online, or at least that's the plan. PeterKa (talk) 05:03, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

"Go west, young man". - Horace Greeley
"Go online, young man". - User: Conservative.
"Employment of web developers is projected to grow 13 percent from 2018 to 2028, much faster than the average for all occupations."[16]
To organize an effective Counter-revolution and counter-insurgency taxpayers and consumers must immediately (1) defund the schools and higher education and (2) organize boycotts of Pepsi, Doritos, Ben & Jerry's and any other corporate subversive organizations. Elsewise the Revolution continues perpetually until they just wear us down from exhaustion (what their jihadi allies call "vexation operations"). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 07:54, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Pity the poor American consumer; when they buy foreign made goods, they are helping to build the People's Liberation Army and Chinese Navy; when they buy domestic goods they build BLM. Capitalism and communism are inextricably linked. Communism is like a virus or disease that inhabits a host. Now you can see why Maoism has historically been the most effective strain of this disease. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 08:04, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Meantime, Bezos, Amazon, and Google destroyed what remaining mom n pop retail stores there were after covid with their funding of the BLM riots, lining their own pockets with even more online shopping. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 13:30, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
Unfortunately, I'm doubtful boycotting them is going to do much good in counter-insurgency. At least in the case of the food-based corporations such as PepsiCo, Doritos, Ben & Jerry's, and the like, in my case, that pretty much means telling me to starve to death since I'm barely 105 lbs., having immense trouble trying to GAIN weight even after being 30 and trying to eat three meals AND three snacks, and literally not being able to afford to lose more pounds (with my Ulcerative Collitis not helping matters either, even WITH Humira). Plus, even if I were to do so, it's unlikely those companies are going to listen even if their stocks take a nosedive, or even lose enough money to prove their ventures are NOT working. Take Disney and Gay Days, for example. In 2013 and 2014, thanks largely to the Florida Family Association twice managing to do airmessaging warning about Gay Days, attendance during Gay Days significantly decreased to such an extent that they had to jam lots of people into tight trains just to give the illusion that they were jam-pack full when in reality it was closer to a ghost town, yet not only had Disney NOT gotten rid of Gay Days despite twice proving to be a money loser, they're if anything doubling down on it. At this rate, only hiring a group like Blackwater to conduct literal corporate raids might give ANY chance at stopping them, I'm THAT cynical about those chances. We have more of a chance at defunding schools and higher education than we do in organizing successful boycotts. FFA organized that for Gay Days, and the Disney higher ups weren't even CLOSE to moved despite losing lots of money on Gay Days. Pokeria1 (talk) 10:51, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

What concerns me more than the corporate left funding mobs is Hollywood left organizing bail relief for criminal anarchists. --Jpatt 09:07, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

That's already in the courts; Hollywood and the Biden team ponied up $30 million and the bail company only used $200,000 (remember, nobody got arrested anyway). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:00, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

The war on individualism

It used to be that the political left in America had a lock on supporting individualism. Since then, in later practice, it has been shown to be a fraud, a temporary expedient, a pseudoprinciple. Because once political equality is established (like the Constitutional Amendment revoking the ability of a state to require a poll tax to vote), the only individualism that's important is individual thought under the wisdom of the American Constitution.

Phantom consensuses

Phantom consensuses have been deployed to limit the speech of individuals, and by speech I don't mean fighting words:

  • American non-descendants of slaves deserve compensation for being denied civil rights (and the beneficiaries, including minority patronage politicians, only defend it in a disinterested fashion, even though they have nothing to lose by doing otherwise). It's a consensus, so don't bring it up!
  • Sheltering illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities so they can displace American jobs and transfer money to their home countries is a holy calling (though how American friendliness to immigrants is a tradition that is upheld and upheld more and more while other traditions are re-examined, questioned, hesitated at retaining if not outright scorned, is an insoluble mystery. That is, if one takes at face value that individuality is being used as an actually operating principle, that is to say, if they choose to acknowledge the difference between a migrant and a citizen).
So don't even talk about it. Some of these immigrants may work at your business, and they know their status there is tenuous at best, so if they shower these immigrants with benefits, who's to say they won't play the informer about your local campus-wide collective bargaining ideas to defend yourselves against the very same type of immigration they represent? We say it! But only because you won't discuss the ideas in the first place because you don't know how to exclude them without being informed on, which they might even do spontaneously for fear of losing their job!
  • We need to adopt more foreign refugees (especially with an opinion inclined to the proposition that Middle East wars are our fault and/or are brought here by refugee placement companies who profit from every refugee placed and aren't liable for any misconduct in which they engage) to the point where America has more refugees than the rest of the world combined, and who also all compete for lower-skilled jobs against Americans as well as discourage group organizations (unlike company human resources organizations) of labor, like in combining to support the party that enables the least in bringing in illegal and/or replacement immigrants. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 18:15, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
  • If you don't have the mastery of the fundamentals of the liberal arts that you should have learned in school as well as away from school on the job or in your leisure time, and that would enable you to petition for redress of grievances, you have the moral supremacy and the right to break the law as part of a mob action to make a name for yourself. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 19:02, 26 June 2020 (EDT)
  • The best position for America to be in is on her knees, having had concessions extorted from her, and then having had the concessions regarded as evidence of an even greater guilt! And don't offer "solutions" either. We waited ten years and then crumpled all those grievances into a mean little ball, and are now throwing it at the people who are in the way. We didn't need your solutions then, and we don't need them now. In fact, they deserve to be hidden as a first priority! VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 00:58, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
  • Persons shown to be a racist in the workplace should themselves be removed by that workplace and publicly denounced. Maybe I'd like that to happen, but why isn't there an associated, fitting punishment expected to be carried out and directly carried out about any other species of workplace misconduct? Again, I'm not talking about fighting words. Isn't such instant gratification a great temptation for someone happening to seek revenge to frame someone as racist? Today, it's the thing to call out "systemic racism", but it had to grow to become that. So why didn't anyone recognize it during the Obama years? Why do I suspect that wearing blackface would be considered "fighting words" by now if it hadn't happened to have been carried out by two powerful liberal politicians? And if so, why does "systemic racism" conveniently fall from the skies like a Deus ex machina to rescue their reputations today and prevent any trouble down the road by filling the one gap in the diversity monolith?
Speaking of convenience, "systemic racism" is, first of all, one level up in abstraction. Placed strategically against your enemy, your personal experience can be even more powerful with a bigger potential support from even more disparate kinds of events and thus heaping up a greater burden of proof to deny it, should you be able to shift the burden onto them. Secondly, once again like a sandwich with a secret ingredient, conservatives, in addition to what they have intended to buy, they now have to swallow something extra. The ingredient here is, "Okay! Even us liberals turn away from the racism we see. So you can just imagine how the conservatives behave!"
Have they noticed yet that if they carry this out, they will have demolished two pillars of liberal legal theory: "no prior restraint" and "no one...caused to lose...property without due process of law"? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 07:40, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

Due process? That white man talk. We all know from our leaders in the Kavanaugh smear, impeachment, Roger Stone case and others there is no due process. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 09:57, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

Enablers of active riots

I'd like to see some of the people who enable the riots, which are still going on, be arrested too.

Like the media who refuse to stop and render aid.
Like the mayors and governors who won't enforce the law to maintain the safety of the city.
Like city councilmen those who try to remove the barrier to civil order, namely the police.
Like the police who won't arrest them when they make actionable threats.

VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 19:27, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Media will claim first amendment rights. Mayors and governors will face civil suits from citizens. As to the arrests of people in D.C. over the Jackson statue, they face the same problem of getting indicts against McCabe, Comey, Strzok, and Roger Stone, of getting a fair and impartial jury in the District of Columbia. It's just window dressing. DOJ will find a way to drag the case out beyond November, at which point charges will be dropped. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 20:29, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Michelle Obama

Biden would be a fool not to choose Michelle Obama as VP at this point It would (1) stem the tide of black defections to the GOP and (2) garner the enthusiasm lacking. Then, on January 22, 2021 when Biden is declared brain dead, Barack and Michelle are back in the diver's seat for the next 10 years (a president can be elected twice plus 2 years of another's term).

This makes sense, given Biden is closer to the Obamas than the Clinton's are, and Biden owes a debt to the Obamas for elevating him to the presidency. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 20:22, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

"You don't have to do this, Joe!"
VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:29, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
Speaking of Michelle Obama, what I find unique about the page is that there are both the "Women" and "Men" categories. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:40, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
We need to demand he/she release his/her medical records right away. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:55, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
Good point about Michael Robinson Michelle Obama. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:02, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Michelle Obama shared this on Twitter from the Obama Foundation:

As the sun went down on this historic day five years ago, the White House lit up in brilliant colors—an act that would have stood regardless of the Supreme Court ruling earlier that day.
But as crowds gathered, it became a moment of celebration. Love had won.

That's sweet that they like to swim in the emotions of "love" in the abstract, but what actually happens is a bit different: permanent hemorrhoids and grooming children to no longer feel shocked by sodomy on television and video game apps all month.

VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 01:53, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Do you think Michael's writers work by piece work or regular salary? With twitter, they may need somebody on staff full time. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 04:05, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
That's a good dig, but the Obama Foundation's writers wrote it not hers. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 05:53, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
That's also a good point to mention, Vargas. By the way, do you have anything to comment about my post below this one? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:58, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, it looks like they chose registered voters instead of likely voters. They are so lame. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 02:00, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
Is that meant to be a direct argument or just sarcasm? Besides, as mentioned here previously by Conservative, many registered voters don't even vote. And did you read this essay I linked below? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:07, 29 June 2020 (EDT)
What are you talking about? I can spot phony polls almost in an instant. Yeah, I read your essay; you demonstrated their stupidity pretty well and helped me answer more quickly. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 03:16, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Future MPR posts regarding fake polls?

Should there be future MPR posts regarding the refutation of fake polling? Perhaps I can make more essays on such, similar with this one that has a thousand page views. I'm currently planning on debunking this "poll" by Redfield & Wilson which supposedly puts Mark Kelly at a 15% lead over Sen. McSally in the 2020 U.S. Senate special election in Arizona. For starters (on a current standpoint), I think it's quite pathetic to suggest that Pima County will vote a net of 7 percentage points to the right of Maricopa County. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:57, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Now hold on a minute. Apparently the poll didn't even bother asking about party ID... —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:12, 29 June 2020 (EDT)

Disadvantageous Democrats

A better question is "WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THE DEMOCRATS WILL WIN?" Carlos Osweda, June 28, 2020 @COsweda ·

  1. Their candidate is senile and incontinent.
  2. The Democrats are supporting genuine Brownshirts using mob rule.
  3. The Democrats have no platform.
  4. The Democrats are running on claims that have no bearing on reality, such as "Trump is racist!"
  5. The Democrats support the view that the majority race in the country is GENETICALLY INFERIOR to the others.
  6. The Democrats are promising staggeringly high taxes.
  7. The Democrats are blocking efforts to reform policing.
  8. The Democrats promise to govern by fiat, ignoring the rule of law.
  9. The Democrats promise to destroy the economy by implementing the Green New Deal by fiat.
  10. The Democrats promise to abolish incarceration.
  11. The Democrats promise to implement sweeping gun laws that restrict firearm ownership to shotguns and revolvers.
  12. The Democrats promise to bring back globalism, destroying American jobs.
  13. The Democrats promise to outlaw private health insurance.
  14. The Democrats turned the FBI into a secret police.
  15. The Democrats tried to overthrow Trump with the illegal use of domestic spying.
  16. The Democrats tried to destroy @GenFlynn as revenge for his exposure of the incompetence and corruption of Barack Obama.
  17. The Democrats embrace the neocon lust for transnational war, such as the invasion of Iran.
  18. The Democrats want to help Iran get nuclear weapons.
  19. The Democrats want to sever relations with our greatest ally, Saudi Arabia.
  20. The Democrats want to transform our military into into the armed wing of the party.
  21. The Democrats have already created a state-run media and want to strengthen it.
  22. The Democrats want to censor all political opposition as "dangerous."
  23. The Democrats want a return to a policy of appeasing and aiding the imperialist Communist Chinese.
  24. The Democrats want to return to the uniparty, the bipartisan ruling class of oligarchs who choose winners and losers in the private sector.

VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 04:26, 30 June 2020 (EDT)

I get it but their echo chamber has a list as well, only Republicans. Biden is winning lol. --Jpatt 09:53, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
We lived through 8 years of biting our tongues with Obama; we can survive four more months of censorship. It was the restrictions on our First Amendment rights under Obama that led to Trump's win in the first place. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 11:03, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
It's dangerous to say you're voting for Trump to a pollster. What if it's not a pollster, but some creep who wants to put your name in a database? VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 21:18, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
"Trump broke voting records in the primaries, when people didn't even have to vote. His enthusiasm level is off the charts. And he's delivering." Joe Biden often only got 60% in the primaries, with no active opponent. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 21:28, 30 June 2020 (EDT)
Democrats are rioting and almost no one involved is likely to do prison time. If they can win the election by breaking the rules of a democracy, why wouldn't they riot all the time? Whoever Biden picks as attorney general is certainly not going to stop them. Biden is a career politician with no set ideology. He has a long career of doing his best to place himself at the ideological center of the Democratic Party. Lately the party has been moving leftward so fast that Biden is now its right wing. PeterKa (talk) 08:19, 1 July 2020 (EDT)

Please quickly block these trolls

I know this is off-topic, but can someone with block rights please quickly banhammer BenMc and Bames? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:33, 30 June 2020 (EDT)

Minneapolis police force

I'd like to get some clarity on the plans to abolish the Minneapolis Police Department, reported on our front page (right side).

  • In a unanimous vote, the Minneapolis City Council officially approved a measure to abolish the police force on Friday. Though the 12-0 vote will not completely dismantle the police force, it is the first step in a lengthy process that will culminate in the residents of the Minnesota city voting on the legislation in the November election ...

Specifically, I'd like to ask:

  1. how many police officers have been terminated since the 12-0 vote?
  2. when does the plan take effect?
  3. is it definite - or does it require a majority of YES votes on a referendum in November?

--Ed Poor Talk 22:56, 1 July 2020 (EDT)

Shooting from the hip I'd say whatever the name of the new organization will be, will likely employ even more people. There will be more social workers and mental health evaluators and workers. Serious crimes, like the homicide unit, are likely to survive intact. The beat cops will be reduced, allowing for more shoplifters, etc.. Businesses will just have to hire their own security and pursue civil claims. Public drunkenness will be responded to by social workers. Even traffic cops are likely to be retrained. DUI will likely not be as strictly enforced, until there's a public outcry to beef it up.
The idea apparently is to employ more community workers who hang out at community centers and go into people's homes to make nice with people and tell them how much the government loves them, but have the ability at the drop of dime to call out whatever is left of the SWAT team. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 03:41, 2 July 2020 (EDT)
I get the feeling that an early conservative in the group tasked with drawing up the Minneapolis city charter took a look at how socialists behaved in Wisconsin and said "uhn-uhn" and specifically insisted a mininum number of police to patrol the city, so the socialists couldn't extort what they wanted by starving the city of police.
This is a way socialists "perform miracles"; through getting in a position of power to deny services, they extort and are suddenly and all at once able to both shower benefits to their supporting groups and indicate how they should behave.
In fact, that's what the Pharisees did for the Jerusalem rabble, isn't it? The Pharisees demanded that the Romans let them carry out a town lynching, and although Pilate clearly showed he didn't want to, by following the pharisees lead in how to behave, together they "performed the miracle" of even overpowering the Roman occupying government that their vanity be stroked by allowing them to overleap the bounds of justice and carry out the sentence immediately after an irregular trial. It was only when Jesus was shown to have no militant followers, in fact, no followers at all who even dared show their faces to comfort Him at the cross except the women and John, that many realized they had made a mistake and, as Luke put it, beat their breasts and went home.
I realize this may seem an unusual way of putting the Gospel story, but I've found sometimes I can see things I couldn't before if I see them from a different angle and in this case may benefit the light of our faith.
In a way, didn't Christ shine a light on the corners of the terrors of these city lynching events in a similar kind of way as you might to the unillumined parts of a city and show to our amazement that there was actually nothing there at all that could separate us from the love of God?
So no, we shouldn't be afraid of these evil governors who cannot touch the soul. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 06:09, 2 July 2020 (EDT)
You make a strong point; the alleged religious "conservative" Muslims in Minneapolis will have their own Mutaween or "religious police" (I link to Wikipedia cause I helped write the article). Call it the Londonization of Minneapolis with No Go Zones. An eye has to be kept on city foundation grants to see if they violate separation of church and state by giving money to a religious community for its own policing.
Here's what we know: the Mpls Police force is changing its name and hiring mental health experts; use of force training and doctrine will be re-re-re-re-re-reformed (it gets reformed after every high profile killing). Voters have to approve changes to the city charter, so get ready for the "change" advocates to begin saying it's not really change after all, but we need these re-re-re-reforms with a bigger government payroll.
Now, like the DFL, Minnesota doesn't have Republicans. It has Independent Republicans (IR). Like Black Lives Matter, the organization name is deliberately ambiguous. Is it a coalition of Independents and Republicans who oppose Democrat Farm Labor corruption, or does the name imply independence from the corrupt national establishment? It's likely the latter, given the stranglehold Democrats and Socialists have had on media for the past 100 years since the Progressive Era. The name IR is a testament to how xenophobic Minnesota Democrats are toward outsiders.
Minnesota has probably the highest voter participation rate in the United States - a remarkable achievement given the state's predominantly white, ignorant, and brainwashed population. 'Virtue signalling' ought to be the state motto on license plates given Land of Lakes has now redeemed itself from being racist. Like their native Swede forebears in contemporary Sweden, Minnesota Democrats are willing to commit suicide to prove how virtuous they are. Unless indigenous Minnesota Republicans can come up with enough money to run ad campaigns to defend racist policing and prove they are not controlled by outsiders from the monopoly Rockefeller Trust of the Progressive Era, changes are likely to occur.
Anti-business "organizing" runs deep in Minnesota culture and its self image as "progressive"; in the 1970s when I lived there the "power line protesters" made up most convention delegates and candidates on the ballot. Why did they oppose powerlines and electricity across the state? Cause it evoked the image of Wall Street bankers trying to get right-of-ways across the state to build railroads a hundred years earlier (See Howard Zinn, A People's History of the United States for more details on the greedy capitalist J.P. Morgan). RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:32, 2 July 2020 (EDT)
Most people don't quite grasp how important a regional center the Mini Apple is in the era of flight. Going west and southwest, the next largest cities are Denver and Seattle; going north the next largest city is St. Petersburg, Russia. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 12:51, 2 July 2020 (EDT)
I express opinions to RobS's missives the opposite as I do others': if I don't express an opinion, it probably means I'm thinking about it even more than if I've said something (because they are very much food for thought).
Bearing that in mind, I'd just like to express the opinion, for now, that if you have the power to radically transform the police, it amounts as much to say you have the power to eliminate it altogether, and I don't believe anyone has that power, and to say so after a (hidden?) civil insurrection is as much to threaten the lives and welfare of all.
Is the state police allowed in Minneapolis according to this scheme? I don't know. But that you don't know even before the proposal is issued to me tells you nearly everything you need to know about the underlying intentions of the resolution, even apart from the fact that it went outside the city charter.
Rob, I think many of us know about J.P. Morgan, but don't we also know about President Taft's trust-busting in that direction? VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 13:55, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
BTW Rob's descriptions of the political parties in Minneapolis certainly showed my lack of knowledge...I didn't know the Twin Cities were like a twin of Wisconsin. I will be doing my best to get back up to speed, though. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 14:31, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
Howard Zinn blames capitalism and JP Morgan for the Panic of 1873 which threw the country into a "recession" before there ever were "recessions" (a collapse of the monetary supply and collapse of GDP growth are actually two different things, but Marxists don't care). The collapse supposedly was the result of a railroad Morgan was trying to build across Minnesota. This is the pre-Trust busting era when Wall Street lobbyists gained "concessions" and right-of-ways of prime agricultural land from famers by the federal government, and the beginning Democrat inroads into Northern Republican states after the Civil War.
No, it won't effect State Police. Nor the county sheriff or the 7 county Metropolitan Council I wrote about above or in the Archives pages. But knowing Minnesota's progressive history and the pride they take in Socialism (recall, the alleged centrist Amy Klobuchar repeatedly invoked the name Paul Wellstone, the Senate's only Progressive Socialist even before Bernie Sanders). They will load up a city charter amendment with all sorts of virtue signaling rhetoric. The few remaining level-headed taxpayers who see through it will have white-flighted by election day (even middle class Blacks will have white-flighted to the suburbs, as they already were doing in the 1980s). They don't call it the MiniApple for nothing. These people really do see themselves more like cultured New Yorkers living in tandem with an oppressed underclass, more than Chicagoons which PBS calls "the Black Capital of the United States". RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:44, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
HAHAHA! Boy, the commies a Wikipedia don't miss a beat! Look at the inscription in this image in the Panic of 1873 article!
  • "New York police violently attacking unemployed workers"
Wow! Who would have guessed it would take 150 years for NYPD to cut 6,000 cops after violently attacking the oppressed!? RobSTrump 2Q2Q 23:13, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
I'm going to try and outdo you:
"Bearing that in mind, I'd just like to express the opinion, for now, that if you have the power to radically transform the police, it amounts as much to say you have the power to eliminate it altogether, and I don't believe anyone has that power, and to say so after a (hidden?) civil insurrection is as much to threaten the lives and welfare of all."—Vargas Milan, Jul 3
"We're going to beat Donald Trump. And when we do, we won't just rebuild this nation—we'll transform it."—Joe Biden, Jul 5, 8:00p (EST)
"Where have we heard that before?"—@MarkYoungTruth, Jul 5, 8:31p (EST)
VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 00:08, 6 July 2020 (EDT)
I just saw this video interview with Maxine Waters. This adds some context to the conservativetreehouses research on Obama's "secret project". Two recent articles are connecting OFA to subversive activity behind the riots. [17][18] RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:04, 6 July 2020 (EDT)
Okay Rob, I uncovered the abusive subtext of arbitrary government whitewashed while being revealed by the propaganda in their remarks, and they have chosen the city charter surprise exploding in their faces to make lemonade out of that lemon by allowing it to be the site of the first ideological thrust in their propagandistic charge, stupid of them as it was for them to have let it happen originally, and if someone thought my "pollers are dangerous" remark was stupid, the article you linked to vindicated me on that front.
Trump has a personal intelligence service, so I'm sure he is well aware of these events. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 02:16, 6 July 2020 (EDT)
Minnesota is the Sweden of North America. Little Mogadishu is the Malmo of Minneapolis. It has always been as if Minnesota is competition with Sweden to out-Progressive Sweden. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 08:23, 6 July 2020 (EDT)
Point of reference: My "Christ as lynched by Jerusalem" model was originated by theologian John Milbank; the technical and historical term he used and explained was the Homo Sacer legal term of Imperial Rome. The article was "Christ the Exception" in New Blackfriars (July 27, 2007), vol. 82, iss. 969. The article is available at this link. However, it is no longer available for free.
Milbank noted certain parts of the Gospel story with the legal authorities yielding led some theologians to actually feeling forced to regard parts of the story as fiction. Milbank, by explaining the legal concept, shows why their actions are not necessarily unexplainable. I got the feeling the realities of Roman cities, and actually the widespread law of ancient cities in general, would have been, and perhaps still is to us after them, painful for the writers of the Gospels to explain.
As far as I know, despite the striking explanation he brings forward, and what he thinks it means for faith, Milbank is a mainstream Anglican theologist, who is, however, not without his critics. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 22:23, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
Digression: Let me stop you right there. And I know it may seem like nitpicking, but when I hear the dog whistles "bible story" or "gospel story" I ask myself right away, "What is a story?" A bedtime story? A fictional novel? A movie plot? A news story? A fake news story?
The Word of God, and the Gospel of Salvation, is not a story. It is a revelation of God himself to us, and the Gospel is a message from God to us about reconciliation with God. We're lucky to have it, cause God could have just tossed off the human species as a mistake, the way people toss off stories they find boring.
End of digression RobSTrump 2Q2Q 22:45, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
By story I mean there's a hearer and that it's intimate. But your comments or corrections of whatever nature are always welcome. So allow me to defer to your wisdom and say thank you once again. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:34, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
I understand, and thank you. I didn't mean to be critical of yourself, I'm thinking more along the lines of presenting children's books of "Bible stories" along side Dr. Suess and dinosaur books, as if there is a choice between which "stories" you like to hear and/or believe. IMHO, that's probably not the way the Word of God should be presented to small children. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 00:59, 4 July 2020 (EDT)

Need a link...

Everyone: keep your eyes open for a link on book maker odds for how long before Ghislaine Maxwell is Arkancided. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 15:15, 2 July 2020 (EDT)

Full video of Detroit incident

[19] RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:39, 2 July 2020 (EDT)

Analysis of another fake poll

I just published this essay to CP; does anyone else want to read it and decide whether it's worthy enough of being put on the Main Page via MPR? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 17:13, 3 July 2020 (EDT)

Not knowing much about the Arizona election other than what you, Liberaltears, have drawn my attention to, I'd say the real value in the poll is Democrats laying their cards on the table as to what their election strategy is - to invade GOP stronghold Pima county and attempt to demoralize Republican voters to stay home (voter suppression, hardly a new strategy). Since its obviously a doctored poll, for good measure they throw in a gender gap reversal, alleging "the Bubba vote", as it was called in the Gary Hart and Clinton era, has returned home to the redneck, racist Democrat party where the KKK has its roots.
Figure out a way to post in MPR and I'll do it. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 17:32, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
What are you referring to by "GOP stronghold Pima county"? Do you really mean Maricopa County? —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:12, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
For posting on MPR, I'm think of something along the lines of: "Are the poorly sampled, fake polls on Arizona really an attempt to demoralize Republicans in Maricopa County as a measure to cost President Trump and Sen. Martha McSally their elections? See this analysis for crucial details!" —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:01, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
There. We got a full blown voter suppression article now. How about something straightforward: "Democrats unveil voter suppression strategy in Arizona with fake polls to demoralize GOP voters." [Link] or something along those lines. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 19:33, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
Unfortunately, we don't have mind-reading powers to 100% conclude the intent behind the fake polls, so I would personally prefer a less direct way of wording it: "Are Democrats attempting to suppress voters by demoralizing Republicans in Maricopa County, Arizona via fake polls? See this analysis and make up your mind! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:58, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
I personally think that directly asserting the intention behind the polls might sound a bit conspiratorial. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:04, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
I'll post it up now. I'm nearly done proofreading voter suppression.
BTW, we can fill up a bunch of article stubs with paragraphs drawn from a dozen other pages, like I just did with voter suppression. It turned out even better than I imagined. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 20:41, 3 July 2020 (EDT)
Thank you RobSmith! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:39, 3 July 2020 (EDT)