Community Portal/Archive 13

Geopolitics

User:Conservative proudly has a series he labels: User:Conservative Essays: Geopolitics. Let's see how studied and knowledgeable he is to lay claim to use of that term. Using 2 articles from Wikipedia (yes, as a member of WP's Copy Editor's Guild I found a glaring error in one article, but that section won't be cited here), I will produce a simple narrative,

Haushofer ... specialty was to combine the fields of geography, history, economics, demography, political science, and anthropology into a new discipline that came to be called Geopolitik.

Geopolitik is a branch of 19th-century German statecraft, foreign policy and geostrategy. It developed from the writings of various German philosophers, geographers and thinkers, including Oswald Spengler (1880-1936), Alexander Humboldt (1769-1859), Karl Ritter (1779-1859), Friedrich Ratzel (1844-1904), the Swede Rudolf Kjellén (1864-1922), and Karl Haushofer (1869-1946).

So obviously Haushofer coined the term.

Haushofer was informally interrogated by Fr. Edmund A. Walsh on behalf of Nuremberg Trials prosecutor Robert H. Jackson to determine whether Haushofer should also stand trial. Fr. Walsh ultimately reported to Jackson that Haushofer was both legally and morally guilty of complicity in Nazi war crimes. Citing, "the role of geopolitics in corrupting education into a preparation for war", Walsh accused Haushofer and his associates of being, "basically as guilty as the better-known war criminals."[11] In his later memoir of the Nuremberg Trials, Walsh further alleged that, "The tragedy of Karl Haushofer", was his participation in the, "nationalizing", of academic scholarship and of turning Geopolitik into a weapon supplying, "an allegedly scientific basis and justification for international brigandage."[12]

But User:Conservative proudly wears the title of geopolitical expert.

Karl and Martha Haushofer died together in a suicide pact

Just like Adolf and Eva or Magda and Joseph Goebbels. But these are the people User:Conservative claims intellectual kinship or being an heir. Need I go on?

Haushofer visited Landsberg prison [in 1927] to teach and mentor both [Rudolph] Hess and Hitler.

Haushofer also coined the political use of the term Lebensraum, which Hitler also used to justify both crimes against peace and genocide.

But there is no indication User:Conservative is bothered by any of this in his Russophobic 'intellectual' pursuit.

in 1919, he forged a friendship with the young Rudolf Hess, who became his scientific assistant and later rose to be the deputy leader of the Nazi Party, second in authority only to Hitler. In 1919, Haushofer successfully defended his second dissertation, and became Privatdozent for political geography at Ludwig Maximilian University of Munich, and was made a professor in 1933

There was no such thing as "geopolitics" in 1933. Haushofer, Hess, and Hitler made it popular and successful. But User:Conservative is oblivious to facts or history. The Russians aren't. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:13, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

This section is now addressing the analysis of an individual Conservapedia user, and therefore belongs in the community portal, not Talk:Main Page, since MPR isn't to advertise administrator intragripes. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:21, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

The resident geopolitical expert steered the discussion in this direction by commenting on this thread, and this is a subject of vast import to MPR and CP's editorial stance. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:29, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

You decided to bait him into this discussion by making an accusation about his statements which was proven to be flat-out false, so once again, your assertion in an effort to excuse yourself lacks credibility. I hope this clarifies matters. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:33, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, perhaps this should be moved to the user complaints instead. Oh well, I suppose it can remain in COMPORT for now. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 00:37, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

User:Conservative expunging his use of "geopolitics" from Conservapedia after being informed of his identification with the concept.

RobSmith, the government of Nazi Germany created the Volkswagen and in the German the name is "Volkswagenwerk”.[2] If I use the word Volkswagen does that necessarily make me a Nazi given its etymology? Of course not. People use words every day that they don't know the etymology of and words have different meanings in different contexts. Please leave the Nazi hunting to Simon Wiesenthal because your accusing of every Tom, Dick and Harry of being a Nazi is truly pathetic.

And as far as your absurd claim that I am a Russophobe, my music around the world section of my user page features resources that contain Russian music. I will further point out that you said that your knowledge of psychology is weak. So you are hardly in a position to call someone phobic about a particular matter.

Once again, you embarrass yourself with your farcical claims. Conservative (talk) 20:38, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, as far as your claim that I proudly labeled some thing "User Conservative's Essays: Geopolitics". First of all you are not a mind reader. So don't pretend to know my state of mind when I merely labeled a section of my user page in the past "User Conservative's Essays: Geopolitics". A time-honored principle is the maxim "he who asserts must prove". You failed to prove your contention that I allegedly "proudly" labeled a section on my user page "User Conservative's Essays: Geopolitics".

Futhermore, you wrote "You are and I'll put it in the Acknowledgements. If everything goes right, hopefully it'll stand next to the Dialogues of Plato, Socratic method, and Machiavelli Discourses in classrooms someday. nobs 00:20, 29 January 2017 (UTC)"[3] If comparing yourself to Plato and Socrates isn't pride, I don't know what is.

In addition, as of 10-30-2023 in Conservapedia:User complaints, there are 7 people who voted against you in a no confidence vote as far as your adminship. I will quote two of the voters right now: "Agree: Sometimes Rob sounds like he means well, but then he deletes good content, acts abusively towards other good-faith editors, and pushes pro-communism views. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:19, October 10, 2023 (EDT)" and "Agree. Continually lying; blatantly hostile towards others. Acts like he owns this website. Karajou (talk) 08:10, October 11, 2023 (EDT)". Do these complaints against you have the ring of people who are complaining about someone that has pride issues?

In short, I believe you are engaging in projection when it comes to your accusation.

I trust this clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 19:53, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

I trust it doesn't clarify matters.

The point here is, I had tried to inform you, in good faith, for a year and half about the deep doo doo you were stepping into, and you always retaliated and doubled down on Nazi rhetoric until I finally posted this thread in the Community Portal, at which point you panicked and tried to remove every use of the word you ever posted anywhere in Conservapedia. Guilty conscience? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:53, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Lies. LT posted this thread at the community portal. You posted this thread at Talk:Main Page after spending the better part of the month prior yelling at editors for not posting at CP:COMPORT. MayGodBless (talk) 21:15, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, there is a reason NATO war in Ukraine has a pathetic 5 page views/edit ratio. Nobody can trust you. MayGodBless (talk) 21:18, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

oh, thanks. Pretty lame defense for use of Nazi rhetoric, IMO. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:24, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe someone will believe in your accusation in your second last post above. If they do, I hope that don't run into someone trying to sell them the Brooklyn Bridge. The word geopolitics has various definitions and based on one of those definitions, I thought the words "international relations" or "international politics" was more appropriate and precise since it is less oriented around geography. So I did some edits to replace the term using the words "international relations" or "international politics". Regardless, I found out later that the term geopolitics has definitions that are broader in scope so that editing wasn't necessary.

Your desperation to make a charge against me that will stick as far as my articles about international politics is truly amazing. This absolute obsession with the word "geopolitics" is even more ridiculous than your huge obsession with the SPECIFIC month of April 2020 and the date of April 9, 2020. It just shows me that my essays showing some of the shortcomings of Russia and China really get under your skin because they topple your wrongheaded ideas about these countries and also topple some of your other wrongheaded ideas about politics.

In short, if you want my respect and the respect of others, I suggest you create some counteressays to my essays on international politics and related matters. Judging by the 7 to 0 vote of confidence about your adminship, your current obsessions and your talk, talk, talk on the talk pages of my essays rather than make cogent arguments for your own political beliefs are not considered endeavors worthy of esteem by your fellow editors of Conservapedia. Conservative (talk) 21:34, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) What's ridiculous is the panic you went into to hide every use of the word "geopolitics" you ever posted anywhere - cause it verified my claim that (a) you didn't know what you were talking about; (b) you were engaged in spiteful and malicious editing against me on a subject you had no knowledge or interest in; and (c) you've done actual harm and damage to Republican party efforts to end Ukraine aid funding. Most despicable, more than 200,000 people have been killed while you joke about fat Russian ladies and polkas.

Your SEO talents could have been used in a positive manner to spread the MAGA message to end the war, rather than in a spiteful manner on a subject you know nothing about nor have interest in simply to troll me. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:39, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Now Prof. Mearsheimer, whom you claim to listen to and agree with, says we're in big trouble. You could have helped prevent that. You could start helping to unravel it now. But you have to focus on the subject matter, not persons you meet on the internet you feel animosity towards. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:46, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Once again, you confuse merely disagreeing with some of your poorly thought-out political views as trolling because you have a RobSmithCentric view of the world. Well, the world is much bigger than you. Get used to this notion and embrace it.

And if you truly wanted to prevent me from creating essays on international politics, perhaps you should have ceased putting hide templates and engaging in other rude, bullying tactics in main page talk and the community portal instead of engaging in civil discussions. That was your mistake. You chose to try to bully someone who doesn't fear bullies. Oh well, such is life. Perhaps you will finally learn from your mistakes, but I have my doubts. Conservative (talk) 21:53, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Bingo. Right there. You just admitted your essays are motivated by personal animosity you have toward someone you met on the internet, and not by any interest, knowledge, or desire to inform readers. You need to overcome that handicap and develop an interest in a subject and desire to inform or share knowledge with readers, not to seek revenge against a stranger. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:07, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, I know you desperately wish me to consider you an enemy, but the truth is that I now consider you to be merely someone who formerly annoyed me. Take a look at this graphic: Friend, ally, annoyer or adversary quadrant. Conservative (talk) 22:04, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Good. Now focus on a subject, like psychology or religion, etc., and end these personal vendettas you have against people you meet on the internet. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:07, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, I know you desperately wish me to consider you an enemy, but the truth is that I now consider you to be merely someone who formerly annoyed me. Take a look at this graphic: Friend, ally, annoyer or adversary quadrant. It's hard to consider someone your enemy when they engage in gossiping about you. High school girls gossip - not grown men. Your gossiping alone very much disqualifies you from being my enemy because I don't take gossipers seriously - especially ones who are totally inept at it.

I don't really have any people in the world who are my enemies as far as me specifically. Even many people who very much disagree with me on various matters find I am a cordial and amiable person who has a sense of humor. For example, a person who is an atheist/agnostic and is aware that have written much anti-atheism content wants to assist me with a future venture that I wish to pursue. User: ConwayIII at Conservapedia, who I suspect is an atheist, has had very cordial email correspondence with me. User: Mercian at RationalWiki, who used to be my most vociferous critic, now has a cordial relationship with me.

You on the other hand, have very poor interpersonal skills and that is why you recently had a 7-0 vote of no confidence in your adminship. Your endless factious behavior towards your other editors at Conservapedia isn't helping you in any way despite any delusions you may have that such behavior achieves your aims. You certainly haven't convinced anyone that the Russians are blameless when it comes to war crimes in Ukraine or that there isn't sufficient evidence concerning this matter judging by the recent AfD vote on my essay on Russian war crimes in Ukraine. You didn't win a single AfD vote as can be seen at Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine. Conservative (talk) 22:24, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, I see that you don't have a sense of humor. Of course, this is not exactly surprising given your endless spurious accusations towards me and your endless axe grinding.

Regardless, I told two Conservapedians privately that I don't consider you my enemy when the topic of your bad behavior came up. And despite many Conservapedians wishing to strip you of your adminship and emailing each other about this topic as well as to Andy, I sent an email to Andy and other Conservapedians that you should merely lose your adminship for 90 days with a warning that the next desysoping will be longer. Hopefully, you finally listen to others and change your ways.

And your keyboard "wolf warrior" activity isn't going to make a lick of difference when it comes to China's and Russia's decline in the 21st century. I thought it might take until 2030 to have things go significantly south for China and Russia, but given the amount of decay and the current pace of unraveling, it certainly could happen much sooner, but time will tell. Conservative (talk) 23:01, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

"I told two Conservapedians privately bla bla...". You're gossiping again.

(ec) Here's the problem as I see it: Julius Streicher & Alfred Rosenberg were hung at Nuremberg for the words they put in print (Goebbels was already dead). As I student, I said, "Wait a minute, don't we Americans believe in free speech?" The answer I got was, "Yah Rob, but they had it coming." So I read Streicher & Rosenberg's words for myself. Rosenberg's Myth of the Twentieth Century. I also read Haushofer's book on Geopolitiks. Streicher published a periodical, so I read what excerpts I could get a hold of. And the plain fact is, when I read your Essays on Russia, they sound as "benign" as anything Rosenberg, Haushofer, or Streicher wrote.

I guess it was the intent behind what they wrote that got them hung. I concluded that then, and I get that same feeling and impression when I read your Essays now.

You seriously should read this text, and ponder it very carefully before you write another word on Russia or Eastern Europeans. It really is a very short text - mostly pictures and illustrations. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:05, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

You wrote: "Here's the problem as I see it". You still don't get it. I don't care about your "very important opinions" about history or politics - not even a little. And if you don't understand why by this point, I am afraid I cannot help you in this matter. Conservative (talk) 23:13, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

I get, yah. And I don't care about your knitting circle of gossipers, rattrolls, sockpuppets, holocaust revisionists, neo-fascists and neo-Nazis you are colluding with to bully people. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:25, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

The rattrolls and ratvandals you are colluding with are upset because I am effective at what I do - putting a stop to trolling. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:34, October 30, 2023 (EDT)

Haushofer: One of the More Important Persons to Influence the Events That Led to WWII and the Holocaust (pub. Nov 1, 2023)

Important new research on the subject: Karl Haushofer: One of the More Important Persons to Influence the Events That Led to WWII and the Holocaust, excerptted:

Lebensraum To Haushofer, war was a “struggle for elbow room,” which was “the last great test of a nation’s right to exist” and the “ultimate arbiter” of relations between nations (Herwig 2016, 100). The Lebensraum concept was “a critical component in the Nazi worldview that drove both its military conquests and racial policy” (Holocaust Museum 2022). The 1939 invasion of Poland, which formally began WWII, was the result of a direct application of this Lebensraum belief (Piotrowski 1997). Then, in 1941, the invasion of Russia was one of the more tragic applications of this ideology in terms of lives lost. The end result of this belief was World War II which, in addition to taking the lives of close to 50 million people, was the most expensive war in history (Weatherford 2009, 249). Hitler was confident that the superior German race would prevail against Russia because the Russians were an inferior Slavic people. Adolf Hitler and Nazi racial theorists considered the Slavs as Untermenschen (subhumans); they were viewed as an inferior race that could not create civilization and were actually a danger to it (Bendersky 2021, 151). As Lund University Professor Christian Abramsson wrote, the key event in shaping German Lebensraum "was the publication of Charles Darwin’s On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life...." [bolden added]

Russians were an inferior race that could not create civilization. Yep. That is exactly the idea transmitted when we read about Russian toilets and alcoholism in User:Conservative's Geopolitical Essays.

Back in 2007, it was me who called User:Conservative's attention to the full title of Darwin's book when he was working on CP's Evolution article, and he took the ball and ran with it. If I had known then how he would refute it all with his series of Geopolitical neo-Nazi screeds he's produced over the past 21 months, I never would have suggested it. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 00:58, November 8, 2023 (EST)

It is one thing to criticize an alien culture or civilization, but to mock and denigrate it is racist. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:04, November 8, 2023 (EST)

Vandalized talk pages

See also: Bad faith editing

User:Conservative has a habitual and historical practice of vandalizing talk pages so that they do not make sense, then complains to Andy about something, so when Andy investigates the discussion makes no sense to him. This is one of his longstanding trolling techniques.

I have restored the above thread to its contemporaneous flow according to timestamps (the stuff User:Conservative added and took out between his own edits you will have to investigate for yourself). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:09, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

I think I just figured out why User:Conservative refuses to follow civil discussion format and align his postings properly - it is so he can go back and vandalize the page later to actually alter text & context of a discussion. Readers need to be aware of this trolling habit and technique of his. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:17, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Four more examples of User:Conservative failing to indent properly in the space of 15 minutes when he finds himself on the losing end of an argument. Here's an example in that same discussion of User:Conservative altering the context of his earlier posting. Note to signees of Conservapedia:CP Civility Association: This should not be considered "good faith editing". RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:32, November 5, 2023 (EST)

The civility of Team Civility

Guys, I've been on Conservapedia for a few years, and I really, really wish you two wouldn't fight with each other. I consider you both my online friends. Wouldn't it be better if you joined together to oppose those who we all agree should be opposed? Consider Paul's writings in First and Second Corinthians. Would he have you fight against each other, or would he have you unite against Karajou and against the liberals? Please, Rob, and User:Conservative, unite under the banner of Christ. DanAP (talk) 06:40, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

I am going to provide an illustrative scenario.

Let's say all of us put all kinds of false, denigrating accusations against Andy on Andy's talk page, main page talk, the community portal, Conservapedia's complaint page, and in our own personal pages. Furthermore, let's say the blockers kept blocking Andy for bogus reasons and Andy was unable to reverse the blocks.

Question: How long do you think such a state of affairs would last?

It wouldn't last long. Andy needs to practice the golden rule and do something about RobSmith ASAP. And then all RobSmith's garbage accusations against Conservapedians need to be deleted.

The Conservapedia:CP Civility Association has 6 members. RobSmith's Team CP merely has one member besides himself. It's not a big mystery why so few people signed up for Team CP. Conservative (talk) 14:17, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Yah, we can see the civility being practiced by members already. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 14:57, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Documented violations of assistant sysops who violate the Conservapedia:CP Civility Association pledge can go here: Conservapedia:Sysop complaint documentation. Note: the Sysop complaint page is one place for documentation and evidence of violators of the pledge; the page is not for discussion, CP:Trolling, etc. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:21, November 2, 2023 (EDT)

If anyone feels this is objectional content, feel free to write the Essay:How Karl Haushofer, the founder of Geopolitics, was not a Nazi. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 19:41, November 17, 2023 (EST)

Propaganda news

WSJ: Russia has 270,000 killed and wounded and lost more than 50% of its troops

What this means, and hardly anyone is talking about it, is that the War is half over in 1.5 years. Thus, it will mostly end inside 3 years, i.e. within 1.5 years more. The losses and injuries, not to mention the declining Ruble and reduced revenues Russia has faced, is not sustainable. This is clear, very clear, though some are claiming this War is "going to extend into the 2030s" etc.

"More than a year after Moscow failed in its goal of a lightning victory in Ukraine, the Russian military has steadily adapted on the battlefield as it shifts to a strategy of wearing down Ukraine and the West.

To be sure, Russia's military—which has suffered more than 270,000 killed and wounded as its army has lost more than 50%" https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/russias-army-learns-from-its-mistakes-in-ukraine-a6b2eb4 NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:47, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Projection; NATO cannot admit its losses so they project them on RUssia. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 07:52, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

See: "Russia's ruble is now worth less than 1 cent. It's the lowest since the start of Ukraine war." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ruble-to-usd-less-than-a-penny-lowest-ukraine-war/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:53, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

One of the Planks of the Commie Communist Manifesto of Wretched Apostate Atheist Karl Marx: Central Banks in All or Most Countries

https://mostlyeconomics.wordpress.com/2018/06/19/one-of-the-planks-of-communist-manifesto-was-to-have-central-banks-in-most-countries/

One of the planks of Communist Manifesto was to have central banks in most countries… A food for thought article by Prof Dipankar Gupta. He titles it as: “We are all marxists: Liberal democrats have understood The Communist Manifesto better than communists”.

The article is in written for 200th birthday of Karl Marx. Prof Gupta says Marx would be pleased that around 60% of his suggestions have already been implemented in most countries which prize themselves as liberal democracies:" NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:49, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

What would you replace Central Banks with? How would you purchase oil from Saudi Arabia, for example? Barter? A basket of currencies? Would all purchasers outside Saudi Arabia have to deal with the Saudi sellers directly? How would the sellers know they weren't getting scammed with counterfeit currencies or bogus goods, etc.?

Just cause a source sounds intelligent and informed doesn't mean it is. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:55, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

"Arthur Schopenhauer once said, “All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; second, it is violently opposed; and third, it is accepted as self-evident." https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7265630-arthur-schopenhauer-once-said-all-truth-passes-through-three-stages NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:58, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Yep. Kind of like Trump colluded with Putin, coronavirus comes from eating bats, there are no Nazis in Ukraine, and deep staters aren't working to get DeSantis elected. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:01, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Arthur Schopenhauer wrote The World as Will and Idea, which was the inspiration for the film Triumph of the Will (Nietzsche's Will to Power is a separate discussion; he was a contemporary of Schopenhauer but much younger). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:09, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

DeSantis is a Deep State pawn? Pfft. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 19:10, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Where did his $100 million come from? Not in donations of $250 or less. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:12, September 24, 2023 (EDT)

Putin's propaganda war shows the beginning of cracks in Russia. Russian military wives protested in Moscow on November 7, 2023

Watch the video: Families of Russian troops protest Ukraine war, DW News

• Military wives make a rare Moscow protest against unending deployment: Putin can’t keep his soldiers permanently on the Ukraine front line forever Conservative (talk) 15:23, November 20, 2023 (EST)

All the usual suspects. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 15:37, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Russia has a bigger population than Ukraine but Ukraine is a big country and Russia has a demographic crisis so troop rotation is difficult to execute. Conservative (talk) 16:02, November 20, 2023 (EST)

No. I was referring to all the usual suspects in disinformation and propaganda - the Telegraph, UK Defense Intelligence, and the RAND Corporation.

In reviewing any subject matter, the first question that comes to mind is, "Where are they getting this bs from?" RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 16:07, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Ok. You are entitled to live in your informational cacoon. Conservative (talk) 17:11, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Your "informational cocoon" wisecrack makes no sense; I am the one exhorting you to come out of your "informational cocoon" of UK Defense Intelligence, the RAND Corporation, the Telegraph, etc. These entities manufactured propaganda for German audiences (such as Deutsche Welle, which you cite here). The cover story fed to German audiences (the people most affected) by the Nordstream pipeline blast, for instance, has gained no traction in the United States. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 11:10, November 21, 2023 (EST)

But I will remind you that you mistakenly thought Russians were happy due to your informational cacoon. See: Essay: Are the Russians as unhappy as they claim they are?. Conservative (talk) 17:20, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Happiness is not the object of life. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 17:32, November 20, 2023 (EST)

I didn't say it was. But you painted Russia as a great place to live when it isn't. In Russia, there are many unhappy people and more people are leaving Russia than moving there which is making their demographic crisis worse. People are voting with their feet. Conservative (talk) 17:36, November 20, 2023 (EST)

You painted Russia as a great place to live in your own mind.

Now if I had my choice between 40 acres and a mule in Siberia or a sleeping room in the south side of Chicago, I'd probably take the 40 acres and a mule in Siberia. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 17:57, November 20, 2023 (EST)

False dichotomy. And that is exactly why more Russians move to the USA than vice versa. There is more opportunity and more freedom in the USA. Conservative (talk) 18:06, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Oh good. Thanks. Yep. More freedom on the internet or information space. More freedom to wonder the halls of Congress. More freedom to attend a school board meeting or the church of your choice. More freedom to vote in free, fair and open elections. More freedom to take or not take a vaccine. More freedom to use the pronouns of your choice. More freedom to enter the country with or without visa. Russia has none of those things. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 18:13, November 20, 2023 (EST)

I noticed that you didn't explain why more Russians are moving to the USA than vice versa. According to Alexandra Prokopenko, a Moscow native, who worked for Russia’s central bank in 2022, Russia is experiencing a massive brain drain. I suggest doing some searches on the Russian search engine Yandex for "Russia brain drain" and I will make it easy for you: Russia brain drain - Yandex search results. With that said, given your low degree of intellectual curiosity about Russia (including its less desirable attributes) and desire to stay in your informational cacoon, I am moving on. Conservative (talk) 18:38, November 20, 2023 (EST)

I didn't explain cause I have little or no interest in the matter.

Here's what you do not understand: Just because you have an interest in Russian emigration, does not mean another person has an interest in something akin to opposite whatever impressions or opinions you have formed. Somewhere you got wires crossed in your brain. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 19:02, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Sam Gerrans discusses your problem: I Have Stayed In Russia During Russia's Special Military Operation In Ukraine.

According to Gerrans, it was the 'libtards' who fled Russia, and now want to come home because of the discrimination they encountered in the West, and now are considered almost 'stateless'.

Rob's comment: So keep up the libtard propaganda, you've done wonders over the past 2 years with it. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 13:52, November 23, 2023 (EST)

OK. Just read about the good things about Russia from inside your informational cacoon. Maybe you will move there someday and leave America. Conservative (talk) 19:17, November 20, 2023 (EST)

My interest in Russia is equal to my interest in Darfur. As I said, you painted Russia as a great place to live in your own mind. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 19:48, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Basically, User:Conservative made himself a lab rat in the effects of mass propaganda and brainwashing; just because I did not report MSM narratives, and often contrary reports on the political, military, and economic situation in Ukraine and Russia, User:Conservative's brain interpreted my writings as travel brochures for Russia and China.

Not having been directly subjected to MSM narratives, I had no way of knowing what User:Conservative was talking about, or why he directed such hate and venom toward me and the Russian culture. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 20:02, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Now there are multiple people telling me that you are not worth communicating with and my time is better spent doing something else. One of them is a Conservapedian who wrote some excellently researched Conservapedia articles with tens of thousands of page views. Conservative (talk) 21:25, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Okay fine. I'll leave you to your gossiping knitting circle. God bless. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 21:38, November 20, 2023 (EST)

Russia 2023: 20,000 activists subject to heavy reprisals as Russia continues to crack down on anti-war movement at home, Amnesty International, August 2023. Conservative (talk) 14:05, November 21, 2023 (EST)

Question: Is history beginning to repeat itself? Lessons from Afghanistan: Open press and mothers the only way to end Putin’s war. Conservative (talk) 14:09, November 21, 2023 (EST)

If you are going to use a source, use a primary source: Moscow Distances Itself From Repeat of ‘Afghan Syndrome’ Among Veterans of War in Ukraine, Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 20 Issue: 175, By: Ksenia Kirillova, November 13, 2023. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 18:03, November 21, 2023 (EST)

Template:Hide collapse Conservative (talk) 14:11, November 21, 2023 (EST)

Question: Who are the donors to Amnesty International? RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 14:36, November 21, 2023 (EST)

Once again, I am doing your work for you, properly qualifying a source. https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/amnesty-international-usa/ RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 17:06, November 23, 2023 (EST)

Somebody made a great point about Communism being deadlier than Nazism.

It looks like someone's bizarre admonition to not criticize communism/China during the war in Ukraine was very wrongheaded. It was also a false dilemma and quite illogical.

Logic is one of the foundational stones of clear thinking.

I would give NishantXavier three Olés due to him really skewering someone's wrongheaded and myopic view of the world. Conservative (talk) 17:49, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

• Realist School of International Relations Update: Kurt Nimo: For the Corporate State, Ideology is a Tool for Social Control.

• "The corporate state (fascism) is not wed to any ism. It is not ideological, as noted above. It adopts and sheds the appearance of political ideology same as it adopts and exploits cultural trends. The cultural we can ignore, the political we cannot.

• "The system, “GlobalCap,” the “New World Order,” whatever it may be called, doesn’t care about rights for “transsexuals” (there is no such thing) beyond stupidly celebrating such creatures on beer cans bought in the millions by normies. The state serves the corporations and we are here to buy and consume crap made by near-slaves and eat bioengineered frankensh*t.

• "I mean, we built this machine, and have done so since 1945, the industry and technology is in place. Now it is time to cull the herd.

RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:26, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Was Communism as Bad as Nazism? Indisputably, yes it was. And Frankly, it was much worse. The Record and Stats/Figures show it

This is relevant in light of recent disputes such as Ukraine allegedly being full of "Nazis". It should be remembered that, while (1) Commies and Nazis are both Dictatorial Thugs (2) They started World War II (3) All the Suffering of Millions during, and sometimes after WWII is because of them (4) They are collectively responsible for the Genocidal Massacre of an estimated 120 MN people (5) but Communism caused far more deaths and thus is indisputably far worse, except to the sinfully and willfully blind. It should also be remembered that, if you are being attacked and invaded by Commie Dictators, as for e.g. both Finland and Ukraine were, you might ally with Germans without in any way agreeing with the idiotic Nazi ideology that Jews and other races were allegedly "inferior" or needed to be "exterminated" etc.

"Courtois argues that there is an essential similarity between communism and Nazism, and then, by comparing the number of alleged victims, comes up with a neat figure of 95m dead for communism against 25m for Nazism. Ergo, communism must have been worse."

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/essays/56390/was-communism-as-bad-as-nazism And Courtois is correct, you idiotic brainwashed liberal. I mean, the person in the link who argues Courtois was incorrect. These brain dead liberals are virtually capable of logical reasoning. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:22, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

"These brain dead liberals are virtually capable of logical reasoning." Yep, sounds about right; what a reality to live in, eh? Also, Nazism is a form of Communism. For more information, see: Communist origins of Nazism —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 16:25, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Yah yah yah, I get. We should have took Hitler's side against Stalin. I'm well familiar with that debate. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:32, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Look, I was the driving force behind Wikipedia's Venona project series; in 1976 I was called a fascist in an international relations class for suggesting that the Soviet Union had no legitimate claim to the Ukraine. You need to be better prepared before you bring that kind of fascist propaganda to the table. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:35, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Criticism of Communism is "fascist propaganda," eh? Now you're sounding like a real commie agitator. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 16:37, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, I was called a fascist for talking about Ukrainian sovereignty and independence 50 years ago, and called a fascist 15 years ago in Wikipedia for exposing commie spies in the US government in the 1940s and 1950s. It's a testament to how much the American government, media, and academia has swung from being leftwing communist to fascist and nazisymps just since Obama. The paradigm shift.

Go up and watch The Hill report on the Nazi in the Canadain Parliament - both commentators are Black. They offer a very very interesting perspective on what should be done now. You're not going to fool Blacks - middle class black or poor blacks - with this "Nazi Freedom Fighter" bs. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:50, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

General George Patton, who fought and won the War against the Nazis, presciently said: "We may have been fighting the wrong enemy (Germany) all along. But while we're here (on the Soviet border), we should go after the [expletive deleted] now, 'cause we're gonna have to fight 'em eventually."

"[General George] Patton correctly saw the Soviet Union as the main enemy of the Allies after WWII. Patton correctly saw Stalin as the real threat to the democracy of Western Europe after WWII, especially after he saw how oppressively the Soviets treated Eastern Europe with mass murders and mass exiles of Eastern Europeans." https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-context-for-Pattons-We-fought-the-wrong-enemy NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 16:38, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Soviet communism worked people to death; Nazism killed you on the spot if weren't a Nazi. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:39, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

The fast-and-furious murder was at the death camps. The concentration camps worked people to death. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 16:42, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Arbeit Macht Frei", but most people passing under that sign went straight up the chimney. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:43, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

The Soviet system used the threat of going up the chimney to get you to comply; the Nazi system used the deception of "Work Makes you Free" to get you to disrobe for delousing before going up the chimney and so they could rummage through your clothes and personal effects. That's the difference between Stalinism and Western Fascism. The Westerners were more efficient - nothing got wasted. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:49, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Indeed, the Nazis are even more far-left than the commies are. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 16:58, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

But you guys opposed Trump and supported Nazism, so it's all coming back. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:54, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not a socialist, and hence I'm not a Nazi. Lies have consequences, RobSmith. (Rev. 21:8) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 16:56, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

The day is coming quickly where trash talking Putin makes you a Nazi. I've been warning User:Conservative for more than a year on this. He didn't have to do it. He could of wrote on UK pot holes or gay Frensh Fries or whatever, but he doubled down, not cause he knows anything about the subject or even cares, but only cause I warned him. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:33, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

"trash talking Putin makes you a Nazi" Wow, quite the imaginative fantasy-land you envision. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 17:40, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

The world is changing fast. NATO lost the war against Russia (unless you want to go fight - you're of fighting age, or you want to get nuked). The news just hasn't caught up to the American people yet. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:59, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Your fantasies won't last forever, RobSmith. The question at hand is whether you want them to be shattered before or after the close of probation. It makes the eternal difference. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 18:02, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Maybe when User:Consevative is 98 years old he can get a standing ovation in the Canadian House of Commons for his courage, but people still have long memories. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:35, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Christian Nationalism in each individual Christian Country, and then Christian Inter-Nationalism or Christian Universalism in all of Global Christendom together, is the only solution to (1) Communism (2) Nazism and (3) Liberal Abortionism, for all of these are Mass-Murdering Ideologies that are based on hatred and wickedness and have caused the genocidal deaths of millions. 360 Million Christians remain Persecuted in the world today as a standing reproach to those who refuse to work for Christian Nationalism in Christian Countries. Let me share what I posted on this in a Whatsapp group yesterday, when a Christian Sister in North Africa told us she was being persecuted. I also shared that Conservapedia article with the group, and they appreciated it. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:27, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Daniel Kolenda, a CFAN Evangelist who's travelled to Africa to Evangelize, has said in the past he has got Christian Governors/State Leaders to intervene when Christians are persecuted. Christian leaders in the West etc and in Christian Countries should do that more, when our brother and sister Christians in other countries are persecuted. imo." We need Christian Countries to defend Religious Freedom and put an end to all Religious Persecution, especially the Persecution of Christians. Millions continue to die and suffer as we watch.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:28, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

"Christian Nationalism" is the "only solution"? That's the sentiment which will lead to the formation of the image of the beast. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 17:40, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

The Beast is an Anti-Christ system based on the denial that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and even the True Messiah, which best describes Pharisaic Judaism, though partially Islam too, for Pharisaic Judaism denies both, while Islam denies the first. Next, it is Christians who will be persecuted during the Reign of the Beast, and this for refusing to renounce Jesus Christ and accept Anti-Christ as the Messiah. This Messiah will come from either Judaism or Islam, the two sects that deny Jesus Christ is the Son of God. They will accept Anti-Christ as the Messiah, then persecute Christians who remain faithful to Jesus Christ, as I hope I do, and I pray you are faithful to Him also. Read your Bible properly, and pray to the Holy Ghost for His Gift of Wisdom, instead of repeating lies of known enemies of the Christian Faith, such as Pharisaical Judaism which denies Christ is the Son of God, or of Islam, which repeats the same error of Anti-Christ. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:44, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

NishantXavier, I explained to you over and over why your theories are incorrect. I'm not going to even bother at this point; I quite seriously hope your rude awakening comes before the close of probation so you have room left to be saved, though clearly it is pointless at the moment for me to articulate the same facts to you again and again, expecting your response to be any different. Best of luck, friend. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 17:48, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

You choose to remain in error then, LT. I will keep working for Christian Nationalism and end of Persecution of Christians in the World Today. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:51, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you again, Conservative. God Bless you. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:51, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

☭RobSmith☭ is becoming now a complete Communist shill. (see: Comsymp) To him, Stalin was not the ruthlessly bloody mass murderer history remembers him to be, but the leader of a patriotic vanguard against Fascism. He's happy to forget that Stalin enabled Nazi war crimes not only during the entirety of the Communazi era, but also the Warsaw Uprising by refusing to smash Nazis. Even while I have continuously compared Nazism with Communism as parallel and near-identical ideologies, he still brands any criticism of Communism coming from me as "pro-Nazi."

Also not only pathetic, but inconsistent, is RobSmith's view regarding Putin and Communism. So criticism of Communism apparently implies that one supports Ukronazis against Putin, yet arguing any sort of association between Putin and Communism makes one a Ukronazi shill.

According to the Apostle John in the Book of Revelation, all liars "shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8) RobSmith isn't facing an ideal judgment waiting for him, from where he's standing right now. Since probation hasn't closed yet, however, there is still space and room for him to repent, if he chooses to do so. (side note: I was going to post this in response to Conservative's initial posting of the very same comment on my talk page, but he removed it and transferred it here) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 17:59, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

I'm no more a commie than Wild Bill Donovan. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:02, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith's political worldview is going to come crashing down as China's growing economic problems will cause Russia to sell less fossil fuels to China. Of course, he will blame it on the West/USA "cheating" or some other nonsense. Men's ability to engage in denialism can be very strong. Putin should have never launched his special operation in February of 2022. It set off a cascade of things that will make Russia's current situation worse. I am looking forward to looking at geopolitics again in 2028 to see what unfolds. And by 2030, I strongly suspect things will be worse for Russia and China.

Of course, I will not see or hear RobSmith's frustration and sadness then as I no longer read RobSmith's content.

But hopefully, maybe some very good things will happen like the Chinese Communist Party will lose power and Christianity will blossom in China. Maybe Russia will see a religious revival and its low church attendance will see a rise. Sometimes misfortune causes men to draw to God. While these things may be unlikely in the near future, you never know what may happen. Conservative (talk) 18:17, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

I disagree with the specifics of why RobSmith's fantasies will be shattered (I'm convinced the world may end as soon as 2027), though I concur on the general aspect that he will face a rude awakening. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 18:20, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

I suspect RobSmith will blame it all on me. By the way, Kevin McCarthy keeps calling me about the issue of funding in Ukraine. I had to change my number. Conservative (talk) 18:24, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

LT, This is what I was talking about: how a user walks into an ongoing conversation and pees all over the carpet. Those days need to come to an end. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:31, September 25, 2023 (EDT)

Glorification, or simply false statements?

Zelensky and neo-Nazi leader Andriy Biletsky, who said the Ukrainian nation's mission is to "lead the white races of the world in a final crusade...against Semite-led Untermenschen (Subhumans)", also known as White Leader.Telegraph

RobSmith, you pass yourself along as an expert on nazi Ukraine, so here's a simple question: why would a Neo-nazi government running Ukraine right now bother themselves into getting a JEW as their president? Karajou (talk) 02:48, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Welcome back. Let's keep it civil. How Zelensky Made Peace With Neo-Nazis, Consortium News. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 02:54, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I want YOU to answer the question, and not some spurious news link. Karajou (talk) 02:56, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

There are several ways to answer; he's not a practicing Jew; he is not a maternal Jew; he shares with Ukrainian Nazis hatred for Russia; he's in it for the money; he's corrupt to the bone. Need I go on? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:02, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Yes, please go on, Mr. Expert. Explain why these so-called nazis didn't kill him. Nazis do kill Jews, don't they, or did they just up and quit that? Karajou (talk) 03:04, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Because he brings home the bacon. $113 billion so far. Please spare your mocking attitude and keep it professional. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!}

There is no way Zelensky did not know who he was raising his fist to in Parliament, a member of the SS Galicia Division. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:04, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

You are talking about an incident in Canada last week. What does that have to do with Ukraine the past few years? Karajou (talk) 03:07, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I'm not sure what your question is, there is video of Zelensky meeting with the Azov on the front lines. Zelensky angrily responding after being rebuked by his own Azov forces. (2:08) RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:15, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Can't or won't answer it? It's a simple question. Karajou (talk) 03:18, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Classic RobSmith move: confronted with a problematic question, dodges to a different point; repeat ad infinitum. He's been doing this for the past two years. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 10:05, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Don't get snippy. Read it all yourself. Zelensky holds court with Ukraine’s most notorious neo-Nazi, August 16, 2023. Zelensky has been careful not be photographed with Nazis - until a few weeks ago now that Ukraine is flat on its back, and they are the most fanatical fighters. He met with them to give them recognition.

The man is sick. You might as well ask Hitler why he didn't like the Jews, either. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:19, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I don't read spurious websites that make up their own BS, and that BS is based off of Russian propaganda used to invade another country. Jews siding with nazis...that is complete and utter BS, and you should know better than that. Karajou (talk) 03:26, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I can't help it. If you wanna crawl in bed with globalists and neocons, that's your business. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:28, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Typical, as well as repeated, response. Because you don't have an answer. Karajou (talk) 04:03, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Don't have the answer to what? I'll tell you how Ukraine elected a Russian-speaking Jew who now commands Nazi troops if you can tell me how 200+ American patriots are now sitting the DC gulag. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 04:08, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

And the authors you call "spurious" in the links given, are all Jews. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:30, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

What do you call a non-spurious website? CNN? The Washington Post? New York Times? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:33, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

More homework: BBC: Canada Nazi row puts spotlight on Ukraine's WWII past. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 05:50, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Extra assignment: Gatewaypundit: “Day of the Dead”: Neo-Nazi Azov Brigade Conducts Torchlight Rallies All Over Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 05:53, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

These guys (Zelensky and the Nazis) hate Russia and the Russians. It's a long history. The only good thing about Russia is, it's a little less corrupt than Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 03:27, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

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Zelensky being a Nazi sympathizer has already been added to Conservapedia proven correct. If you have problem with that, take it up it Andy. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 05:11, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Hold up, RobSmith's assertions about Forrestal are incorrect? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 09:51, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Operation Nightengale. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:19, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Here's a better source: The Secret War Against The Jews How Western Espionage Betrayed The Jewish People By John Loftus, Mark Aarons (pg 214. Guess what? pg. 214 is redacted).

Who is John Loftus? THE NAZI CONNECTION 1982 - JOHN LOFTUS ON 60 MINUTES. Loftus was the first head of DOJ's Nazi hunting unit, appointed by Jimmy Carter.

Loftus fits into the Wikipedia:The Daniel Brandt controversy. Daniel Brandt has endorsed my account as most accurate. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!}

Rosanne Barr recently corroborated Loftus' allegation made in the 60 Minutes interview that Ukrainian Nazis buried children alive to save bullets; 'Bullsh*t!’ Roseanne Barr SCREAMS at Piers Morgan After He Rejects Her Claim Ukraine is Filled With Nazis and Zelensky Isn’t a ‘Good’ Jew, Jul 11th, 2023. Barr breaks down as she recounts how Ukrainian Nazis murdered her family. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:08, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Even if Forrestal's death was not an assassination, it likely could be guilt as he became more familiar with the actions of the Nazis he was funneling US aid and weapons to. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:13, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

One more note: User:Karajou misrepresented facts. Nowhere did I suggest or imply the DOD killed Forrestal. Heck, it could have Mossad or a suicide. Better yet, in 1949 it could have been a communist agent in the US government Joe McCarthy or J. Edgar was looking for. Why does it always fall on me to have to explain these things? Don't you people have any imagination? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:15, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I'm sure you know a lot about misrepresentation of facts from personal experience. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:22, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Review the links above and then tell me what happened and what's going on. You could do it in under half an hour. You can skip the Wikipedia Brandt controversy cause that's only peripheral to Loftus' credentials.

Basically, the Operation Nightengale link, the 60 Minutes link, and Rosanne Barr link. Should take about half hour. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:25, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Frank Wizner is the guy's name in the US government who circumvent all sorts of presidential directives to protect about 2,000 Nazis and resettle them in United States, most in the Midwest & Northeast (Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Illinois) and grant them American citizenship. And many cases even jobs.

About 8,000 were resettled in Great Britain under the same program, and 10,000 in Canada.

So that accounts for 20,000 (more than Division strength). All told, there were about 80,000 Ukrainian Waffen SS. In the regular police and Schutzmanshaft, probably over 300,000. And these units served in today's "western Ukraine", Belarus, Lithuania, and Poland. The local Nazis remained in place; the Ukrainian SS units moved with the German army, and saw action in Slovakia, France, and Italy. And that's how they were able to escape to the West, and escape justice in localities where their crimes were committed. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:51, October 7, 2023 (EDT)

So that deals with the question of Ukrainian Waffen SS in the Angelo-American countries. Now we turn to the National Security Act of 1947, creation of the CIA, NSA, and Pentagon, the role of RfE, and CIA/Pentagon joint covert activities funding armed rebellion in the Soviet Union. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:03, October 7, 2023 (EDT)

Socialist movements and antisemitism: a brief review of the history

Hi Karajou, I see you're skeptical of the notion of that Ukraine is overrun with Nazis from the top-down because it's leader happens to be a Jew. Since the question here is whether Zelensky's government can be designated as "National Socialist," I believe it's useful to evaluate the history surrounding socialism and the Jews.

So first of all, Marxism was antisemitic to its core—religiously and economically motivated. (this video sums it up well) Of course, since it was attacking the Jews on basis of religion and economics, rather than "race," ethnic Jews who were "self-hating" and converted from Judaism to Marxism were acceptable, however. That is precisely why there were atheist Jews who became Communists—already disenchanted with Judaism, they were happy to serve the false god Baal- er, I mean, Marx. The Soviet Union's antisemitism was manifested in persecution against religious Jews, prohibiting ritual circumcision. (for more information, see: Antisemitism, atheistic Communism, and penile cancer)

Nazism is an outgrowth strain of Marxism. (see: Communist origins of Nazism) Hitler and his chauffeur Schreck were members of the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic in the 1910s, and the fuhrer himself admitted that the only difference between Marxism and Nazism was economics vs. race; his own words: "If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle [race], if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground." (Mein Kampf, vol. 2, ch. 4)

Marxist antisemitism = religious and economic hatred of Judaism; Nazi antisemitism = ethnic hatred of Jews, period. But again, to socialists, a Jew who converts from Judaism to socialism can be deemed acceptable. Even in the case of the Nazis, Jews who apostatized to openly supporting Nazi ideology were sometimes spared, just as atheistic Communist Jews were spared from Soviet pogroms; this article by Tablet sums it up well. And even as it concerns neo-Nazis too, yes, some turned out to be ethnic Jews.

And to get to the point about Zelensky: does him being an ethnic Jew automatically prove his government isn't Nazi-ridden? From a nuanced historical perspective, no. At the end of the day, he is not a Jewish hero. The evidence of his open collaboration with the far-left, Nazi-aligned paramilitary group Azov Battalion is overwhelming and widely easy to find on the internet. And no, I don't support Putin by any means. I oppose both sides of the war, and see it as a Hegelian deception game to pave the way for a greater, final menace facing humanity soon. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 09:50, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I believe in a thorough research in history; I also believe in taking the word of many professional historians on the subject, as well as with my own eyes. What I'm going to point out and expose is the contemptuous position taken by a fraud, a man who believes there are nazis everywhere. They're in our cities and towns; they're in our farms and fields; they're in our food. Let's pour ourselves a bowl of "Fuhrer Flakes". Why, Billy Bob is jaywalking in French Lick...he's got to be a nazi. Can't visit Frankenmuth, Michigan these days; it's a German/Bavarian town, and therefore nazi.

When you get someone with an attitude like that, when you get someone who complains of nazis everywhere, you don't listen to him at all. You declare him NUTS, and ship him off to the funny farm, because that's where he belongs. Karajou (talk) 13:46, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

Fair enough, RobSmith is a complete schizomaniac as it concerns invoking Godwin's Law. My broader point though was that the common "Ukraine can't be Nazi from the top-down since they have a Jewish president" argument doesn't account for whether individual Jews actually do the works of Jews or the works of Baalists. Jewish traitors to their own people definitely exist, and in the case of Zelensky, there are strong indications that he indeed has entrenched connections to extremist Ukrainian ultranationalists who hold Nazi racial viewpoints. For years before the Russo-Ukraine War broke out, the media noted the dangerous presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

But at the end of the day, Putin clearly isn't innocent either. The larger conspiracy is simple: manufacture a "thesis," in this case the globalist/establishment catastrophe in Ukraine that causes misery worldwide when elitist liberal politicians put Ukraine over their own nations, and use the resulting backlash to overthrow the current "Liberal World Order" to establish a New World Order run by the "far-right Christian Nationalists" who create the Antichrist beast system. That is what people need to realize and prepare for. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 15:19, October 1, 2023 (EDT)

I respect all of you. My two cents if I may...

The link (my friend) LT provided was a one off - case (Burrows) of man bites dog. What is important to realize is, that he rejected his Jewishniess. Now, if Zelansky is still proud of his origins then he is no Nazi. But he can still be blindsided and there are neo Nazi elements in Ukraine, not to mention their history, especially, standing out: WW2 sadistic record. Historian Walter Laqueur explained about those that were ethnically non Jewish but had some percentage of Jews in their ancestors and some of them.served in German army (mainly to save family members or themselves and he also points out the inflated false numbers, and that there were thousands and not hundreds of thousands - simple math), that they did NOT 'feel' they are Jews. Among the Kapos, (which is another issue) there were humane ones and bad ones. The famous holocaust writer Ka-Tsetnik [Yehiel De-Nur], who is not suspected of excessive pro religiously, emphasized that among the Kapos, any religious Jew was in no way counted among their ranks. In all, in terms of WW2, one should not forget, the bigger picture of all squeezed in a box -fighting to survive- by the overall Nazi boot and, that relating to Jews, it was often a matter of life or death in choosing actions. Telling (talk)

<interesting irrelevant factoid> I just found out today Putin's son-in-law is named Zelensky - Igor Zelensky. [4] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:36, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

BTW There are variations of this last name spelling...

Yes. During last year's Polish-Ukrainian reproachment much was made of the Polish president having a Ukrainian name and the Ukrainian president having a Polish name. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:46, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

'Diversity is our strength' - that was Ukraine's motto until they started killing all the Russians, Poles, Jews, Hungarioans, Roma, Slovaks, etc. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:45, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting details, Telling! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 21:33, October 2, 2023 (EDT)

There is a discussion you might wish to partake in

Please see: Conservapedia:AFD Anti-Putin. MayGodBless (talk) 21:26, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

These "Great Replacement" promulgators are idiots

Andriy Biletsky standing before the Nazi Wolfsangel. [1]

As reported:

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In interviews with white nationalists, Frame Game blamed Jews for 'controlling the media' and for the decline of the white race. 'If you were to remove the Jewish influence on the West,' he said in one video, 'white people would not face the threat of white genocide that they currently do.'

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When will these morons understand that without Judaism, the West would be reduced to tribalist pagan cults killing each other in endless tirades of moral degeneracy? "Anglo-Saxonism," for example, is pagan. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 18:18, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

As the great Nazi freedom fighter Andriy Biletsky said, the Ukrainian nation's mission is to "lead the white races of the world in a final crusade...against Semite-led Untermenschen (Subhumans)". [5] RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:16, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

So what's your point here? That Western promoters of "Great Replacement" are just like Biletsky? Let's not forget that you yourself promoted that racist theory on MPR last summer, and also defended it from removal when a troll inserted that blather into the mainspace last fall. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 19:21, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

Put down the crack pipe, son. You're the one shilling for US taxpayer support of Biletsky and his movement. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:23, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

You're the one who denies that Nazis are socialist (in effect denying the Holocaust by refusing to admit its ideological origins), that there are Nazis on Putin's side, and who defended white supremacist propaganda last year. It's all recorded in the revision histories. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Friday, 19:26, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

Oh really? You wanna sees diffs from Wikipedia in discussion with a British historian PhD when I was among one of a few driving exposure of the facts that had been denied and covered up, continuing for 15 years after the Cold War ended? My view, and others, is now mainstream. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:30, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

My view of national socialism, which I described years later in Rationalwiki as "a collectivist view of race" has been picked by others and also is being articulated in mainstream outlets. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:36, October 6, 2023 (EDT)

Move request

Hi! Would someone be able to move Pelosi panel to January 6 inquisition? "Pelosi panel" incorrectly suggests that Pelosi served on the panel; she was too cowardly to do so. MayGodBless (talk) 16:29, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Reminder: What happened when Zionist Jews, assisted by Anti-Christian Pagan Emperor Julian the Apostate, tried to rebuild the Temple

This is from Fish Eaters, a Traditional Catholic Forum. I used to post there long ago, but I think the forum is down now. The main site is still up. It describes what happened when the Jews together with Pagans tried to rebuild the Temple, as a mockery of Christ who predicted its overthrow, under Anti-Christian Pagan Emperor Julian the Apostate. This miraculous fact in Church History is related by various Ecclesiastical Historians as well as Church Fathers as referenced in this link: https://www.fisheaters.com/juliantemple.html

"What Happened When the Jews Tried to Rebuild the Temple under the Christian-hating Julian the Apostate (A.D. 331-363), 4th successor to Constantine

Theodoret (A.D. 397-451) "Ecclesiastical History" Book III, Chapter XV

Julian, who had made his soul a home of destroying demons, went his corybantic way, ever raging against true religion. He accordingly now armed the Jews too against the believers in Christ. He began by enquiring of some whom he got together why, though their law imposed on them the duty of sacrifices, they offered none. On their reply that their worship was limited to one particular spot, this enemy of God immediately gave directions for the re-erection of the destroyed temple, supposing in his vanity that he could falsify the prediction of the Lord, of which, in reality, he exhibited the truth. The Jews heard his words with delight and made known his orders to their countrymen throughout the world. They came with haste from all directions, contributing alike money and enthusiasm for the work; and the emperor made all the provisions he could, less from the pride of munificence than from hostility to the truth. He despatched also as governor a fit man to carry out his impious orders. It is said that they made mattocks, shovels, and baskets of silver. When they had begun to dig and to carry out the earth a vast multitude of them went on with the work all day, but by night the earth which had been carried away shifted back from the ravine of its own accord. They destroyed moreover the remains of the former construction, with the intention of building everything up afresh; but when they had got together thousands of bushels of chalk and lime, of a sudden a violent gale blew, and storms, tempests and whirlwinds scattered everything far and wide. They still went on in their madness, nor were they brought to their senses by the divine longsuffering. Then first came a great earthquake, fit to strike terror into the hearts of men quite ignorant of God's dealings; and, when still they were not awed, fire running from the excavated foundations burnt up most of the diggers, and put the rest to flight. Moreover when a large number of men were sleeping at night in an adjacent building it suddenly fell down, roof and all, and crushed the whole of them.

On that night and also on the following night the sign of the cross of salvation was seen brightly shining in the sky, and the very garments of the Jews were filled with crosses, not bright but black. When God's enemies saw these things, in terror at the heaven-sent plagues they fled, and made their way home, confessing the Godhead of Him who had been crucified by their fathers. Julian heard of these events, for they were repeated by every one. But like Pharaoh he hardened his heart ... [more sources in the link]" NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:38, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Reminder Pharisaic Judaism/Talmudic Zionism (or Rabbinic Judaism, or however you want to call it) was instrumental in Soviet Communism and its Mass Persecution of Christians. Russian Orthodox Christian Historian Alexander Solzhenitsyn estimates 60 MN Murders

""You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators." - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn" https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/28008677

Jewish Site YNet News admits in the Article aptly entitled "Stalin's Jews": "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people." https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

The Evil Pharisaic Talmud, which is what Jesus Christ is condemning when He condemns the traditions of the Pharisees, and what St. Paul is condemning when he condemns those who preach Circumcision and its related errors rather than the Cross of Christ, contains extremely pathetic and terrible Anti-Christian Vitriol. It also contains a lot of Anti-Humane and Racist Slurs against "Goyim" or Gentiles, who are then viewed as subhuman and inferior to Jews. This ethnic and religious hatred of Christians and Gentiles was on full display in the Communist Persecution of Christians, Christian Churches and Crosses etc under Communism.

"With regard to bloodshed, if a gentile murders another gentile, or a gentile murders a Jew, he is liable. If a Jew murders a gentile, he is exempt." https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talmud_on_gentiles beside other heinous errors.

Next, Communism's specific hatred of Christianity, Churches, Crosses etc: "About 1800 Catholic schools were abolished and publicly declared state ones. The crosses had to be taken out of the classrooms. Also, practically all church and Christian organizations - educational institutions, clubs, shelters, Christian civil associations, publishing houses and printing plants - were abolished in the few year.. after the communists came to power. The great majority of religious literature was burnt and new works were not allowed to be published. All truly religious newspapers and magazines were banned. All church estates and properties, including lands and fields, were nationalized forcibly - in order to prevent the Church from functioning practically. All church teachers were fired. Religion as a subject was banned in schools; it could not be taught publicly anymore. All public church documents and letters were censored, including the Bishops' Pastoral Letters" http://www.garabandal.org/vigil/communism.shtml NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:46, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Um... no. It wasn't Judaism that created Communism; the "Jews" in Communism were self-haters and atheists. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:48, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Just so you know, the whole notion that "the Jews created Communism" is antisemitic propaganda traditionally present in both extreme left-wing and right-wing circles. For example, the right-wing Russian monarchists and the left-wing Nazis were leading active promulgators of the "Judeo-Bolshevism" canard. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:51, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Ancient texts...

I will just state a general rule. At times, not always, interpering ancient religious text can depend on the beholder. See for example M. Beilis trial. (BTW, Israel, by in large, is not religious, much less talmud linked and so is main IDF. Zionists derive their ideology from the Bible. Anti-Zionists from the Talmud) 'Nuff said.Telling (talk)

Covid Video with 550K+ Videos on Twitter: A Shocking Number of Zionist Jews involved with the CDC, with Pfizer, Blackrock, WEF etc

Talmudic Zionists spearhead the Evil Globalists' Plan of establishing a One World Government of Global Communism, with WW3 if necessary.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1718587521985019996 Watch the video in the link if ready to be red-pilled. Otherwise, if not ready, or not willing, or whatever, take the blue pill, and go back to sleep. But the information is out there: "whoever has ears, let him hear". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 22:50, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

That video comes off as QAnon-fringe propaganda at best. The fact of the matter is simple: "Jewish" heritage means nothing in determining if a "Jew" apostatizes into Baal worship, etc. So who cares if all those people have supposedly "Jewish" heritage? If they don't do the works of a Jew, that means absolutely nothing and is completely irrelevant. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 22:54, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Christian women are spat on, kicked, whipped, verbally abused and have their dress dragged for talking about Jesus in Israel

https://twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1714466931137286557 Wake up, O Misled Christians. Read what Jesus Christ calls the Synagogue of Satan in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9, which was then engaged in persecuting Christians, as it is today. Read this too from the WCC: "Christians face ‘persecution’ by Israel settlers in Jerusalem: World Council of Churches Christians face “persecution” by illegal Israeli extremist groups amid government inaction, the World Council of Churches (WCC) in Jerusalem said on Tuesday, Anadolu Agency reports.

“We feel persecution against our community and religion,” WCC coordinator in Jerusalem, Youssef Daher, told Anadolu.

There is a Jewish Israeli persecution, encouraged either by police negligence or by statements made by Israeli cabinet ministers"

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231003-christians-face-persecution-by-israel-settlers-in-jerusalem-world-council-of-churches/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 04:43, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

I thought the WCC was a KGB front (p.12). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 04:56, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Is there a reason 'the Talmud rabbis and all Jewish leadership denouncing spitting' was onitted?

Is this about the truth or about instigating hate?

Or the quick arrest by of the kids and one youngster spitting ?

THE CONDEMNATION BY POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS JEWISH LEADERSHIP

Israeli leaders condemn disrespect towards Christians in Jerusalem. Israel National News, Oct 3, 2023 [6]

Minister Amichai Eliyahu in the Channel 7 studio: Spitting on Christians - an unwise and immoral act. Yoni Kempinski, 3.10.23, 18th of Tishri 5784. INN [7]

Rabbi Yuval Sharlo: There is no justification for spitting .. The head of the Ethics Center at Zohar on the spitting .. Rabbi Yuval Sharlo, INN, 3.10.23 [8]

Jewish Israelis welcome Christians and denounce 'unholy' spitting at Jerusalem March The show of solidarity came after Chief Rabbi Sir Ephraim Mirvis condemned the 'disgraceful behaviour.' By Florence Bean, The JC. October 05, 2023 13:36 [9]

US Orthodox rabbis condemn spitting at Christians in Jerusalem. Israel National News, Oct 4, 2023, [10]Telling (talk)

Mondoweiss bigotry

"‘Operation Al-Aqsa Flood’ Day 25: Israel bombs refugee camp; videos show Israeli soldiers torturing Palestinian detainees in the West Bank Palestinians describe scenes of a massacre after Israel bombs a refugee camp in north Gaza. Videos surface of Israeli soldiers torturing and abusing naked, bound Palestinian detainees in the West Bank."

Casualties Gaza: 8,610 Killed, 23,000 injured Occupied West Bank: 124 Killed

Key Developments Disturbing videos surface across social media showing Israeli forces torture and beat Palestinian detainees as they lay on the ground naked, hands and feet bound Israel flattened apartment buildings in a massive airstrike on the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. Israel bombed the third floor of the only cancer hospital in Gaza while 150 patients were receiving medical treatment. The Palestine Red Crescent Society says its staff alone has dealt with at least 2,580 cases of deaths and 7,667 injuries in Gaza since October 7." https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/operation-al-aqsa-flood-day-25-israel-bombs-refugee-camp-videos-show-israeli-soldiers-torturing-palestinian-detainees-in-the-west-bank/ NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 19:17, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Fair points, though I don't know if "Talmud Zionist" is an accurate term. Zionism is a relatively new philosophy more political than religious (ultra-Orthodox Haredi Jews are strongly anti-Zionist), while the Talmud has been around for centuries upon centuries.

The problem with the modern-day "State of Israel" is that it's not the equivalent of the ancient Israelite system as many dispensationalist evangelical Christians like to fantasize—it's part of a deceptive religious scheme designed to trick Protestants. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 19:21, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

• U.S. Hypocrisy on Gaza vs. Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:49, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

With all due respect - respect to all.

-Point #1 Mondoweiss is a hate site as even liberal Washington Post wrote in 2015 (“Mondoweiss” is a hate site UPDATED - The Washington Post, May 4, 2015 (especially pieces by Islamists writers, though its founder is P.W. a Soros type self-hating).

-Point #2. "Al aqsa flood" is the term invented by jihadists and countiues by Hamas' mouthpiece Al jihadzeera. Nor is there any credibility whatever Hamas regime says about "numbers" of casualties...

-Point #3. Had Israel not care about non combatants how many would even survive its mighty weapons? It implemented roof knocking it engages in urban warfare risking soldiers lives because of that. The only side that seeks civilian casualties is the non-Muslim side. Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh: We Need The Blood Of Women, Children, And The Elderly Of Gaza – So It Awakens Our Revolutionary Spirit Search also for: "dead baby strategy"

-Point #4. The term "talmudic zionist" is false. Zionism (including the Zionists settlers movement) is based on the Bible. Whereas anti-Zionist Jews derive their ideology from the Talmud. BTW, most IDF soldiers are not even religious much less so called "talmud" linked.

God bless you. May God Bless this greatest nation on earth.Telling (talk)

What I don't understand is, why MSM - even those sympathetic to Israel - takes Hamas Ministry of Health casualty figures at face value. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:14, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Somebody asked me the other day why isn't "health" (ministry) and hamas an oxymoron...Telling (talk)

By the way, Telling, would you say it's valid to liken the current pro-Hamas protests to Nazi Bundists from the late 1930s to early 1940s? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:28, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the extensive analysis, Telling; I had an instinctive hunch that "Talmud(ic) Zionist" was a historically/linguistically-off buzzword. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 23:27, October 31, 2023 (EDT)

Indeed LT.

Thanks both. There are still many common themes that aught to be reinforced in our society. Beginning with the golden rule... BTW Rob, at least TheSun today, when quoting casualties out of Gaza "health" ministry adds that it was widely disputed before... asides from the few good things (which is so rare) Biden uttered lately... which is to cast doubt on whatever comes from Gaza.. Related- from the Conservative MRC [11]Telling (talk)

Yah, I understand what you're saying.

My problem with Kirby is the act he put on a year ago doesn't make him credible today. It's a tightrope many of us will be walking for a while (me for example, I oppose hitting Iran with missiles from the naval task force, but things may change). It's the mindless partisanship, of which we have plenty here in CP that can make things difficult. For example, look at this headline from the Conservative Gatewaypundit, which suddenly makes Blinken look the hero. [12] Many of our readers and editors, unfortunately, lack discernment and don't see the naked propaganda and hypocrisy at work here. Like I said, many of us will be walking a tightrope for a while. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:38, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Here's another problem: Dick Morris says strip out $9 billion in Gaza "humanitarian" aid from Biden's $106 billion aid package which ultimately will go to Hamas. I'd love to get that message out, but it's Dick Morris saying it. I need anoher source. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:47, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Another source that Hamas grabs aid for themselves? "Hamas siphons fuel from hospitals, IDF reveals in intercepted call. In recording, Hamas commander repeatedly alludes to Hamas taking fuel from Indonesian Hospital’s stocks."

Ynetnews | November 1, 2023, Ynet. Or UNRWA telling about Hamas stealing aid (Oct/16) [13] . Telling (talk)

Ok, I can work with that. I'll couple it with the Morris piece for MPR (I hope you got something about Hamas stealing aid in that article). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:33, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Good. Got it. No. 2 in our list of headlines (it'll bring traffic to those pages). U da man. If you can feed me daily or whenever headlines that focus on Hamas (IOWs, leave out anything that suggests war with Iran, for now), I can keep our readers updated from MPR. Thanks. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:52, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

The Talmud Unmasked: should be required reading for Christians in light of current events to understand persecution of Christians etc

Torah based Judaism and Talmudic Judaism

Torah-based Judaism and Pharisaical/Rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism are two very different religions. The Torah is part of our Bible. The Talmud is NOT, whereas the NT of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is, and for very good reason. The Talmud blasphemes Jesus or Yeshua, whom they derogatorily call Yeshu as an insult. It insults His Most Blessed Virgin Mother, and breathes hatred against Christians and other "Goy" or "Goyim" or Gentiles. Remember the Just and Holy Wrath of God was upon the Sanhedrin at this time, for which cause Jerusalem/Israel was completely destroyed by the Romans, and the Jews expelled, in 70 A.D., as Jesus Christ prophesied it would be:

Mat 23:29 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and [m]adorn the monuments of the righteous, 30and say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.’

31“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. 33Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? 34Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, 35that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

Jesus Laments over Jerusalem 37“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!" (NKJV) NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:13, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

I will quote some excerpts from the Talmud and what those who've read it have written about it for us, as Jewish converts to Christianity etc did in earlier times. Again, Torah based Judaism, which is good and Biblical, and Talmudic, which is Pharisaical and not, are different. Whoever fails to understand this basic and simple point will necessarily go astray in many others, including judging current events correctly. "Judge not according to appearances", Our Lord Jesus Christ said, "but judge righteous judgment". NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:13, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Quotes from the Talmud and reviews of it by Christians

Some quotes can be seen here: https://twitter.com/Xavier_DMercy/status/1719482792315167149/photo/1 Some on https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talmud_on_gentiles It's all very clear: kill the best of the Goyim when you can, all children of Goyim are animals, if a Goy hits a Jew, the Goy should be killed etc. Filled with Anti-Gentilism, Racism, Christophobic Bigotry etc. You can choose to be red-pilled on it if you want, with all this information out there, or choose not to be, up to you, but the info is widely available.

Now, here's Wiki on the Talmud Unmasked: "The Talmud Unmasked is a collection of quotes from the Talmud, the Zohar and other Talmudic works demonstrating that:

Jews do not regard non-Jews as human beings the Talmud contains blasphemies against Jesus and offensive passages about Christians Judaism despises non-Jews the Talmud urges Jews to do a variety of harms to Christians, such as murder and theft, and teaches that each death of a Christian serves as a substitute for the Temple sacrifices, which would then hasten the arrival of the Jewish messiah.[1] "By means of numerous citations in Hebrew and Latin translations, he sought to demonstrate that the Talmud obliged Jews to injure Christians in multifarious ways, and to work for their elimination. Pranaitis drew on the works of the German anti-Talmudists Jakob Ecker and August Rohling. The book received the imprimatur of the [Catholic] church and was published by the press of the Academy of Sciences." Michael, Robert, Dictionary of antisemitism from the earliest times to the present, Scarecrow Press, 2007, p 369: "According to Pranaitis, the Talmud urged Jews to murder Christians, as each death of a Christian serving as a substitute for the Temple sacrifices, would hasten the arrival of the Jewish messiah. The Talmudic and Torah prohibitions about consuming blood were circumvented, according to Pranaitis, by boiling the blood." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Talmud_Unmasked

Be aware of the Evil going on in the world, and as Christians stand with Fellow Christians first, including the Churches being bombed in Gaza right now. And then as Pro-Life Conservatives, we ought to stand with Innocent Civilians on both sides and against targeted or indiscriminate killing of them. Christ's commandments preach love, forgiveness and peace and not indiscriminate killing; proportionate response and Just War, along with striving to be peacemakers, yes. Christ taught we will be blessed if we are peacemakers. God Bless. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 20:19, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

I dunno; this sounds dangerously close to some of the stuff I've read in Mein Kampf:

• "the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim."
• " the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world."

RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:36, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

This looks like a bunch of hooey to me. The author, Pranaitis, was a defrocked Roman Catholic priest. Even the linked Wikipedia cite classifies The Talmud Unmasked as an antisemitic text. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:17, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Misquoting the Talmud and the "VS Goyim" canard and 'how to hate' manual

The contradictory hatred.

Communists VS Talmud. -Communists, socialists who happen to be linked to Jewish ethnicity are by in large NOT religious and anti-Talmud.

-Zionists base their ideology on the book of Genesis.

-Anti-Zionist religious Jews support their ideology based on the Talmud.

-The Israeli military is non-religious by in large. And most are not aware of this book.

Still, haters, (I'm not referring per se to any user on CP), will conflate all contradictory ideology within the vast variety among Jews, as so to support being bigoted against ANYTHING LINKED TO JEWS OR PERCEIVED JEW.

In other words bigotry.inc is "able" to "connect" any contradiction into one mold to facilitate..

As soon as someone uses the term (in this context): "goyim" he/she reveals where he/she saw the material reposting. It is a term used to incite hatred. As the Talmud usually does NOT use this term. The word itself means 'nations,' first of all. And the Jews are also referred as Goy (example - Prayer on the Sabbath, afternoon).

Without going into every detail, by in large, the Talmud is a book that relies on verses of the Bible. Morality is concentrated in "PIRKEI AVOT" and not where haters try to misquote out of contest.

The misinterpreting few phrases in Talmud has been used by antisemites as an excuse - from time immemorial.

Misquoting the Talmud [14]

In addition, I also mentioned yesterday the Mendel Beilis trial. Look it up about the blood libel and misunderstanding of the Talmud. [15] [16]Telling (talk)

Thank you, Telling, for taking the time to make these clarifications. They are (and may still be) needed in these troubled times.

Incidentally, I've longtime had the impression that the etymology of the English word "guy" may have come from "goy", which is not a derogatory term, rather a slang word meaning singular "man" or "person", and in no way can be considered "animal".

And the Bellis trial relates to the above section on Pranaitis, who appears to be a rather disgusting person and not much of an expert on anything other than hate and prejudice. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:46, November 1, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting, I didn't think about 'guy'. Incidentally, many words in Latin, do still remind roots in Hebrew. Telling (talk)

I used to be bearish about China's long-term economy, but now I am even more bearish

I used to be bearish about China's long-term economy, but now I am even more bearish. And for very good reasons.

To find out more, see: It's time to be very bearish about China's long-term economy. Conservative (talk) 11:31, November 2, 2023 (EDT)

Think Islamofascistic regime in Gaza will spare her life?

Grieving Palestinian in Gaza: “All this is because of the dogs of Hamas.” ("كل هذا بسبب كلاب حماس") They immediately cover her mouth to silence her. Reddit

Gaza resident among the ruins: "All this is because of Hamas's dogs"

A woman who was filmed next to the bodies of those killed in the bombings chose to attack the terrorist organization - and was silenced immediately • Surfers on the Arab networks wrote: "This is the opinion of the innocent in Gaza"

The war against the terror regime of Hamas results in damage to the Gazans who serve as human shields. Hamas is taking advantage of this through their propaganda emissaries to press for a ceasefire, but one document distributed on the Arab networks created a boomerang effect.

In the video, which scorched the networks in the Arab world, she appears fierce during the evacuation of victims of an attack, as she shouts: "This is all because of the dogs of Hamas." Within seconds, those around her make sure to silence her and remove her from the scene.

"All this because of the dogs of Hamas": A resident of Gaza is furious with the terrorist organization

Within a few hours the hashtag "Hamas's dogs" became one of the most popular on the X network, formerly Twitter. Many surfers in the Arab world commented on the video and harshly criticized the terrorist movement. ILH

George Deek @GeorgeDeek: “All this is because of the dogs of Hamas.” Cries a Palestinian mother in grief. They immediately cover her mouth to silence her. Free Gaza from Hamas, for the sake of Palestinians. From الكعّام Nov 2, 2023 XTelling (talk)

And it's the BBC that caught it on tape. You might be able to get some high Google results with a Dogs of Hamas page. It doesn't have to be big or lengthy, just some external links to BBC, NYPost, Daily Wire and other mainstream sources carrying the story. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!}

Hopeful will get time for that great idea. But of course, Hamas is just an example. So are other jihadists who use their population.Telling (talk)

Well if you can get it started with the content (just plug it into the red link above) I can help out with the formatting which usually takes the most time on a start up page. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:11, November 2, 2023 (EDT)

Hopefully we can help #Dogs of Hamas to become a common meme and hashtag. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 20:02, November 2, 2023 (EDT)

Something about Putin

Putin is a terrible international relations chess player. As as result of his February 2022 invasion, the following is true: 1) Russia's demographic crisis is worse which will make its long term finances and long term prospects of defending itself weaker 2) NATO countries are spending more on defense which NishantXavier alluded to above 3)More countries joined NATO that otherwise wouldn't have such as Finland and Sweden 4) Russia has upped its defense spending which will make its civilian economic sector worse (Guns vs. butter and economics) 5) Russia made its long term bargaining position in terms of oil/gas worse sales because now there is less buyers in the buying pool which reduces the demand for Russian oil/gas in the short and medium term and possibly the long term (European market harmed). And China's long term economic prospects are weak so that could harm Russian oil/gas sales to China. 6) It also lost Ukraine as a trading partner - especially if Russia continues to wreck Ukraine. In 2021, Russia exported $8.13B to Ukraine. The main products that Russia exported to Ukraine were Coal Briquettes ($1.22B), Refined Petroleum ($1.2B), and Petroleum Gas ($386M).[17]

The idea that the small country of Ukraine and a greying Europe was a serious military threat to Russia is farcical. Putin started a runaway train of harmful effects to Russia in February 2022 and this runaway train is still going down the tracks. Conservative (talk) 01:38, November 29, 2023 (EST)

Key point concerning an Admin reading and citing some Financial Times occasionally:

Steve Bannon, who Conservapedia calls a movement conservative, says he has a subscription to the Financial Times in his interview with the Financial Times (mainstream news website focusing on financial matters):

• Bannon on Trump, populism and Cambridge Analytica | Financial Times

Also, Conservapedia is presently citing mainstream news organizations on its main page right and RobSmith made those posts as can be seen HERE and HERE.

I trust this clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 18:41, November 29, 2023 (EST)

No, it doesn't clarify anything.

The point is, an editor needs to know how to properly qualify a source, and when to do it. And then how to present the source to the public.

There is no hard and fast rule against using MSM sources, as you naively have spammed over several talk pages now for well over a year. My objections are {a) you do not know how to properly qualify sources; (b) you show absolutely no interest in learning or teaching editors how to properly qualify sources; (c) you actively campaign against teaching editors how to properly qualify sources. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 19:10, November 29, 2023 (EST)

The big difference is Steve Bannon knows how to read the Financial Times, you don't. You devour that crap as if it were the gospel. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 21:04, November 29, 2023 (EST)

Now some editors may say I'm being harsh and incivil in my comments, but not really; you put yourself as the subject of this thread ("Key point concerning my reading bla bla bla..."). Perhaps it doesn't belong on MPR/talk at all. Secondly, you named-me-by-name in your post, which gives me the right to respond in kind.

So what is the Financial Times? A UK version of the Wall Street Journal, only a bit older and more far reaching in its globalist influence, from the fountainhead of Darwinism, land of potholes and obese gay atheists which has greatly fallen since WWII, which you somehow mistake as an authoritive "conservative" mouthpiece. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 21:16, November 29, 2023 (EST)

I recently wrote the essay at [[Essay: Why I prefer to get my news from a wide variety of sources]]. I am not a captive audience to one or few news sources and I don't take any one news source as the gospel truth.

As far as you being able to qualify news reports, given your penchant to often use logical fallacies, your frequent irrational thinking and your poor knowledge of various topics related to international politics, you are hardly in a position to qualify news sources. In addition, unlike you who sets up Vladmir Putin as some near God-like figure, I have enough sense not to be a hero worshippper.

Lastly, most Conservapedians don't consider you to be civil and that is why Team CP only has one member besides yourself and that is why the CP Civility Association has over 300% more members. Conservative (talk) 21:45, November 29, 2023 (EST)

P.S. I will also point out that you are sometimes intentionally dishonest in your use of citations and sometimes purposefully claim something at total variance with what your sources say and I pointed this out in the talk pages of the [[Bill Browder]] and the Karen Dawisha articles. Conservative (talk) 21:53, November 29, 2023 (EST)

Qualifying sources requires discretion and discernment - qualities you demonstrably lack. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 22:33, November 29, 2023 (EST)

If your talk page were open to others, like any normal person or editor, you wouldn't have these ugly personal attacks on nearly every talk page you post on all over the wiki. As I posted elsewhere, I've never seen someone struggle so hard with being a "normal" person. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 22:42, November 29, 2023 (EST)

Question: Why have you walked back so many of your own postings to User:SamHB's talk page? Is this evidence that you sometimes have second thoughts about your trolling? RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 22:47, November 29, 2023 (EST)

This garbage belongs on your talk page, and not in the Community Portal. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 00:58, November 30, 2023 (EST)

I do not understand this, at all. User:SamHB has not posted to his own talk page since September 2022, and only 5 times all together since January of 2022. Yet you have spammed his talk page with 50,000 bytes in hundreds of postings since that time, as recently as today.

Two questions:

1. Who are you talking to?
2. Why do you speak to ghosts, yet refuse to answer living people on your own talk page?

RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 04:00, November 30, 2023 (EST)

People like User: SamHB and User: AugustO and others don't pop in frequently, but they do pop in. In addition, I do sometimes email SamHB.

In addition, one of the benefits of living in the USA is that we have freedom of association. So people have great liberty in terms of the people they associate with or communicate with. So if I not interested in a particular topic or someone's opinions, I am certainly not forced to dwell on these things - even for an instant. Conservative (talk) 04:10, November 30, 2023 (EST)

Oh, so when and if he returns, he's going to read and respond to 50,000 bytes of your spam posted over two years? Right. And you can't cram 50,000 bytes into an email, either.

Here's what I think: the pretty pictures you post on your user talk page, and your refusal to talk to other living human beings like most normal people do (rather than carrying on with phantoms for months and years) is symptomatic of narcissistic personality disorder. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 04:17, November 30, 2023 (EST)

Savantism and SEO skill set

According to Oxford Languages a savant is "a person who has an exceptional aptitude in one particular field, such as music or mathematics, despite having significant impairment in other areas of intellectual or social functioning."

Search engine optimization requires aptitude in more than one field (various technical fields and non-technical fields such as writing skills). It also requires cognitive flexibility and intellectual curiosity given that it is a constantly changing field and deals with multiple fields. In addition, because a search engine optimization professional deals with management, clients and other webmasters (Link request outreaches and content marketing) it requires people/social skills. So the savant/"Rainman" characterization doesn't apply to people skilled in search engine optimization. Conservative (talk) 09:02, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Ever play blackjack? RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 09:05, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Cons: Don't worry, we'll get to the "icing on the cake" and social skill set soon enough. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 09:18, January 9, 2024 (EST)

And if you have any social skill set, define what a "low church atheist" is, other than another attack on a fellow editor. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 09:21, January 9, 2024 (EST)

I was in a position that requires a high degree of social skills and I achieved a top 10% status in that position for a national company. And I did the same for a local company. Conservapedia received links from large Christian/conservative organizations' websites due to my communication/social skills. And the Conservapedia:CP Civility Association has over 300% more members than Team CP due to my stronger social skills than you. Various Conservapedia editors have told you to improve your social skills, but you are resistant to this notion.

You're just upset that I told you that you were wrong about some matters. People are often wrong about things and the wise people change their opinions when presented with new information. That's just a part of life. When told that you are wrong, you shouldn't take it so personally (Especially when you are wrong).

With that being said, as I get older, I am becoming more diplomatic. And I am also learning to pick my battles and not waste time in pointless arguments. Conservative (talk) 09:59, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Congrats, you got a bunch of rattrolls to sign up. Too bad none of the act civilly. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:06, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Here's my opinion: You define anyone you have a dispute with, or simply don't like, as an "atheist". Then with your 1,900 articles in Conservapedia critical of atheism, you simply attach their name.

In you're mind, people who are critical of you, or who you just don't like, are all "atheists". RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:25, January 9, 2024 (EST)

You haven't proved your allegation that those editors are editors of RW or provided any compelling evidence related to this accusation (Another editor also pointed this out to you). Just because you state something, doesn't make it true. Conservative (talk) 10:10, January 9, 2024 (EST)

(ec) And none of your rattroll following are or were active users. And when they do return, they won't be editing in good faith, as the recent hack you inspired by dragging other users into your personal disputes shows. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:06, January 9, 2024 (EST)

I am going to move this discussion to the Community Portal. It does not belong on a neutral editor's talk page. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:12, January 9, 2024 (EST)

You've driven off a number of editors - including LT who you said was a person close to you (like a brother you said). It's unfortunate. Fortunately, I haven't put all my eggs in one website's basket.

When you drive out other editors through bullying/rude behavior, you are hurting yourself and lessoning the reach concerning any facts/opinions you post at Conservapedia. Because without other editors creating new content or updating old content at CP, less people come to CP which means that your content receives less page views. Conservative (talk) 10:18, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Our editor base is bigger and functioning better with good faith editors now than it has in a long time, with the exception of the hack you inspired by spamming your personal disputes on neutral editor's talk pages. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:29, January 9, 2024 (EST)

And yes, I will drive out the RW sleeper cells with their own methods, rather than your's and Karajou's method of blanket blocking, including nuetral and innocent editors. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:32, January 9, 2024 (EST)

And don't talk to me about "bullying/rude behavior"; you and Karajou created 70,000 sleeper socks with your "bullying/rude behavior" with the banhammer. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:34, January 9, 2024 (EST)

At the end of the day, I am glad I diversified my efforts at helping various websites gain more web traffic. Because I don't believe that your modus operandi works and I don't think that you are likely to change. But I can live with that. The internet offers a myriad of opportunities for enterprising and determined individuals because it has so many websites with more being created each day. Conservative (talk) 10:40, January 9, 2024 (EST)

(ec) Well, you and I should team up. My content with your ability to promote it. For example: Yuriy Lutsenko is the guy Biden referred to as "somebody solid" in his "SOB, the guy got fired" speech "and be replaced with somebody solid". That "somebody solid" just said on Ukraine's state-controlled, censored media that Ukraine has been losing 30,000 soldiers a month since the war started (kinda contradicts all the propaganda we've heard here in the West for the past 2 years). RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 10:46, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Do the math: 30,000 a month is 1,000 Ukraine soldiers killed or wounded per day since the war started. That has not been reported in Western media and propaganda. yet this is the guy Biden was happy to have replaced the previous prosecutor who was investigating Burisma. And Lutsenko said it on a highly censored, state-controlled media. It was big news to Ukrainian viewers and citizens.

Only now is the true death toll being reported, cause Zelensky & the CIA can no longer hide it - especially being the Ukrainian people's loved ones don't write home or answer their cell phones. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 11:00, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Given my prior commitments and other due to other matters, I don't see this happening. In addition, we have different opinions on the war in Ukraine. For example, I see it being similar to a multiple car crash where all the countries/parties involved have some blame/liability. But I really don't want to discuss the war in Ukraine with you and will leave it at that. Suffice it to say, the longer the war goes on, the more it will hurt Ukraine, Russia, the West and various other countries. Conservative (talk) 11:04, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Stick to SEO, and leave content and analysis to me. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 14:53, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Think about my proposal. You owe it to yourself. You're not going to be a credible critic of Biden in this election year after promoting the Biden pro-Nazi pro-LGBT foreign policy verbatim for the past 2 years. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 11:09, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Think about it. The Russians are upfront about their foreign policy: they are not fighting Ukraine or Ukrainians - they are fighting Satanism from the West.

Look at this Christmas celebration on Ukraine's state-controlled television; what's the message to children? God, Christ, the devil, Christmas celebration of Christ's birth, etc. is all superstition and fairy tales. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 11:17, January 9, 2024 (EST)

Vladimir Solovyov: "Without religion, there is only sin." The Russian people know this better than perhaps any other large group of people, given their experiences the past 100 years. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 13:08, January 9, 2024 (EST)