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If social distancing worked, covid-19 would have past us by in two weeks. But it hasn't. As usual, Ann Coulter says it better than I can. So why do we do it? We obviously have to do something. Just watching the bodies stack up like cordwood would be too depressing. So this medieval idea about how to deal with disease was pulled out of the history books. The media enthusiastically promoted social distancing, not because they knew or cared anything about fighting viruses, but as a nationwide strike against Trump. But now we have a new set of ideas to deal with the disease that do work, or at least work better than social distancing: masks, washing your hands, and hydroxychloroquine. PeterKa (talk) 21:05, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

Social distancing does work. The sad fact is that not everyone is doing it and idiots are doing the exact opposite and thus COVID-19 is a pandemic.--RationalHindu (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

Common misconceptions: wearing masks is not to stop catching the virus, it's to prevent spread. Wearing masks and social distancing are signs of respect for other people. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 21:38, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

Anyone else see this article from the Babylon Bee? --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 00:10, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

63 days of Wuhan virus mania

Here is scientific proof that social distancing is pointless: "Top Israeli prof claims simple stats show virus plays itself out after 70 days." Eat your stupid heart out, Governor Gretchen Whitmer. PeterKa (talk) 00:20, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

If you leave out China, the rest of the world is 23% recovered as of yesterday. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 11:16, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

I still can't help thinking that this alleged medical science is driven by the economic necessity of ending lockdowns and layoffs after 60 or 70 days. The choice is clear: What's a bigger threat, coronavirus or starving to death? In all three case studies, China, Italy, and the U.S.,. economic necessity drives the science.

Lockdowns allow for medical professionals to prioritize patients, slowing the spread (not stopping it), and educating the public on mitigation efforts. Lockdowns can always be re-imposed later to isolate pockets of outbreaks. As herd immunity grows (which takes years or a generation) outbreaks in isolated pockets occurs. For example, New York City will be the first place to develop herd immunity; remote areas like Wyoming, Idaho, or Alaska may experience outbreaks for years to come. By then, more medical personnel will be trained to identify the disease and hopefully better treatment options will exist. The curve has been truly flattened.

Epidemiologist claim 80% of 7.4 billion people on planet Earth will be exposed to infection over the next two years. But we also need to realize this is based on an assumption that this virus is a virus that behave's as other known past viruses behave. We don't know that yet, all "scientific study" of the virus is based on assumption. Few facts are known. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 21:54, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Anyone else see this article? It seems that not only do Democrats view abortion is a supposed "right" that can never be infringed on, but that the bodies of aborted fetuses don't signify or point to any value and worth of human life and is merely a piece of tissue that ought to be used for an experiment to derive vaccines from. And not just that, but vaccines also supposedly ought to be mandatory, says the totalitarian "progressives". So to sum it all up, not only should murder be legal, but that the corpses of the victims ought to profited from by Big Pharma and the derivatives of the corpses injected into everyone's bodies. --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 17:53, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

That's a good thumbnail sketch; now we need to fashion the arguments leading to that conclusion. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 18:43, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

So here are the premises given: Democrats believe that abortion is an unrestricted "human right", that fetal tissue can and should be used for scientific research to derive a coronavirus vaccine, and that vaccination choice should be restricted. For the first assertion, it's already understood well for quite a while that many Democrats are just plain evil when it comes to abortion. For the second assertion, if they come to such a conclusion, there must be a precedent that fetal tissue doesn't signify any human value or worth, otherwise it shouldn't merely be used for scientific research akin to the likes of chemicals and plant cells. In addition, since it's researchers who work on such a vaccine using the human fetal tissue, there must be those who profit from it and have an incentive to further such "research". So to thoroughly conclude, Democrats are simply trying to get the population to inject into their bodies a substance derived from the dead corpses of society's children who have been murdered in the name of "choice". --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 19:02, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

So to put it in basic terms, the Democrats (and the Left as a whole) only believe in choice when it's convenient to them, but when it isn't convenient, they become of the mindset "You do it our way, and you have no say in the matter!" - the same type of mindset that ultimately drove/drives Nazism, Communism, Islam and the overall Left as a collective. Northwest (talk) 19:51, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Exactly. And to justify such ridiculous ideas, all they need is plenty of cognitive dissonance. --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 20:13, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Michael Bloomberg may be the most articulate spokesperson for this POV; while the chickens only now are coming home to roost over his comments on CCP leadership, his suggestion to "just kill it" to an employee horrified even feminists. His bio page might be a good place to begin developing some of these concepts that can used elsewhere. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 22:56, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

St. Augustine (413-426 A.D.) The City of God, translated by Marcus Dods (1885), book 19, ch. 21. —Whether there ever was a Roman Republic answering to the definitions of Scipio in Cicero’s dialogue.

This, then, is the place where I should fulfill the promise gave in the second book of this work, and explain, as briefly and clearly as possible, that if we are to accept the definitions laid down by Scipio in Cicero’s De Republica, there never was a Roman republic; for he briefly defines a republic as the weal of the people. And if this definition be true, there never was a Roman republic, for the people’s weal was never attained among the Romans.

For the people, according to his definition, is an assemblage associated by a common acknowledgment of right and by a community of interests. And what he means by a common acknowledgment of right he explains at large, showing that a republic cannot be administered without justice. Where, therefore, there is no true justice there can be no right.

For that which is done by right is justly done, and what is unjustly done cannot be done by right. For the unjust inventions of men are neither to be considered nor spoken of as rights; for even they themselves say that right is that which flows from the fountain of justice, and deny the definition which is commonly given by those who misconceive the matter, that right is that which is useful to the stronger party. Thus, where there is not true justice there can be no assemblage of men associated by a common acknowledgment of right, and therefore there can be no people, as defined by Scipio or Cicero; and if no people, then no weal of the people, but only of some promiscuous multitude unworthy of the name of people.

Consequently, if the republic is the weal of the people, and there is no people if it be not associated by a common acknowledgment of right, and if there is no right where there is no justice, then most certainly it follows that there is no republic where there is no justice. Further, justice is that virtue which gives every one his due. Where, then, is the justice of man, when he deserts the true God and yields himself to impure demons? Is this to give every one his due? Or is he who keeps back a piece of ground from the purchaser, and gives it to a man who has no right to it, unjust, while he who keeps back himself from the God who made him, and serves wicked spirits, is just?

This same book, De Republica, advocates the cause of justice against injustice with great force and keenness. The pleading for injustice against justice was first heard, and it was asserted that without injustice a republic could neither increase nor even subsist, for it was laid down as an absolutely unassailable position that it is unjust for some men to rule and some to serve; and yet the imperial city to which the republic belongs cannot rule her provinces without having recourse to this injustice. It was replied in behalf of justice, that this ruling of the provinces is just, because servitude may be advantageous to the provincials, and is so when rightly administered,—that is to say, when lawless men are prevented from doing harm. And further, as they became worse and worse so long as they were free, they will improve by subjection.

To confirm this reasoning, there is added an eminent example drawn from nature: for “why,” it is asked, “does God rule man, the soul the body, the reason the passions and other vicious parts of the soul?” This example leaves no doubt that, to some, servitude is useful; and, indeed, to serve God is useful to all. And it is when the soul serves God that it exercises a right control over the body; and in the soul itself the reason must be subject to God if it is to govern as it ought the passions and other vices. Hence, when a man does not serve God, what justice can we ascribe to him, since in this case his soul cannot exercise a just control over the body, nor his reason over his vices? And if there is no justice in such an individual, certainly there can be none in a community composed of such persons.

Here, therefore, there is not that common acknowledgment of right which makes an assemblage of men a people whose affairs we call a republic. And why need I speak of the advantageousness, the common participation in which, according to the definition, makes a people? For although, if you choose to regard the matter attentively, you will see that there is nothing advantageous to those who live godlessly, as every one lives who does not serve God but demons, whose wickedness you may measure by their desire to receive the worship of men though they are most impure spirits, yet what I have said of the common acknowledgment of right is enough to demonstrate that, according to the above definition, there can be no people, and therefore no republic, where there is no justice.

For if they assert that in their republic the Romans did not serve unclean spirits, but good and holy gods, must we therefore again reply to this evasion, though already we have said enough, and more than enough, to expose it? He must be an uncommonly stupid, or a shamelessly contentious person, who has read through the foregoing books to this point, and can yet question whether the Romans served wicked and impure demons.  But, not to speak of their character, it is written in the law of the true God, “He that sacrificeth unto any god save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.”^[1] He, therefore, who uttered so menacing a commandment decreed that no worship should be given either to good or bad gods.

VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 20:54, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

Does hypnotherapy to relieve COVID-19 obsessive compulsive disorder and its stress?

Mindful Hypnotherapy to Reduce Stress and Increase Mindfulness: A Randomized Controlled Pilot Study. Int J Clin Exp Hypn. 2020 Apr-Jun;68(2):151-166. doi: 10.1080/00207144.2020.1722028.[1]

Time magazine: "Research has found hypnosis can even alter a person’s immune function in ways that offset stress and reduce susceptibility to viral infections."[2]

Hypnosis and the immune system: a review with implications for cancer and the psychology of healing. Am J Clin Hypn. 1982 Oct-1983 Jan;25(2-3):92-103.[3]

You are getting sleepy. Sleepy. Sleepy. Relax. Relax. Relax. As I count from 5 to 1 you will think clearly about COVID-19 and be fearless. 5. You choose your thoughts and feelings. You are fearless. 4. You are getting calmer and calmer. 3. You are getting more and more relaxed. 2. You are feeling healthier and healthier and and only have constructive thoughts about COVID-19. 1. You are worry free about getting a COVID-19 infection. You will cluck like a chicken when going to the meat section of the supermarket. Feeling great. You will vote for Donald Trump in the 2020 election because he early on banned visitors from China. You will be a courageous Republican and have beautiful nails that are free of bite marks because unlike Democrats you don't bite your nails when you go to the grocery store.

• Is Hypnosis Real? Here's What Science Says, Time magazine, SEPTEMBER 4, 2018

• SCIENTISTS ARE DISCOVERING HOW THE POWER OF SUGGESTION WORKS ON THE BRAIN, Newsweek, 2017Conservative (talk) 21:42, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

"Conservative, can you treat my annoyance with the diversion-of-blame pseudojournalists who attack Trump on a daily basis with your hypnotherapy? It would really help me if you could."

Conservative: "I'm sorry son. There are just some things that are so annoying that they are beyond the reach of the science of hypnotherapy, and as a matter of fact, all science."

VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 23:48, 19 April 2020 (EDT)

VargasMilan, I suggest: Lighten your mood - Guided Self Help Hypnosis/Meditation. and Let Go Of The Past - Guided Self Help Hypnosis/Meditation and Forgiveness and Compassion - Guided Gym Health Hypnosis/Meditation. and Protective shield - Create a tough mental attitude - Guided Gym Health Hypnosis/Meditation.

Do not operate heavy machinery when listening to the recordings.Conservative (talk) 00:14, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

And make sure you are wearing stereo headphones when listening to the recordings. The recordings have different messages for each ear.Conservative (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

The recordings sound very intelligent and authoritative as they have a British accent. :)Conservative (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/prosecute-democrat-national-comittee-and-democrat-congressional-leadership-under-rico-statutes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karweil (talk)

Timings bad. There's too much other important stuff right now. It's a distraction to debate if Democrats are just crazy and incompetent or criminally corrupt, and needlessly extra-partisan. Let's stick with the crazy and incompetent right now. It's a winning issue that needs little evidence or convincing. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 06:08, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

John Durham's working on the criminal prosecutions. Voter fraud and totalitarian abuses by Democrat governors, mayors, and law enforcement officials is more specific rather than some broad based, nebulous RICO concept against the national party. We can hammer the state parties on facts, and leave the DNC to Durham. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 06:13, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

We need a Biden gaffes page. Biden interest and page views are up 150% the past few days. His gaffes are real gems, and they would just flood the whole page if we chronicled all of them, so we need a separate page. Who want's to get the ball rolling? RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 06:04, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Shouldn’t there also be one for Trump? I could write it. I was ordered by Karajou to create an article about Trump’s lies. I complied, but then Conservative summarily deleted the article and talk page without consulting me about her concerns. She apparently had a problem with the title and couldn’t be bothered to make the change. Bummer. --JLind (talk) 12:31, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Trump lies? I'll make you a deal: If the Democrats hold up the Convention and allow Tara Reade to come in and testify at the last minute in a national televised hearing, you can do whatever you want. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 13:05, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

You’re going to allow me to do anything I want as long as something you and I have absolutely no control over happens? What is stopping the attorney general from investigating? Why isn’t McConnell taking an interest? I’m not sure what crime was committed by placing hands on someone’s shoulders then kissing the back of their head involves. A bit creepy I suppose, but criminal? Does Reade even want to do such a thing? Doubt she could be coerced into doing so by Biden critics. But if Reade somehow testifies at some kind of mystery televised hearing, shouldn’t Jessica Leeds, Kristin Anderson, Jill Harth, Cathy Heller, Temple Taggart McDowell, Karena Virginia, Bridget Sullivan, Tasha Dixon, Mindy McGillivray, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Jennifer Murphy, Jessica Drake, Ninni Laaksonen, Summer Zervos, Cassandra Searles, and E. Jean Carroll, all testify against Trump if they so desire? Just asking. [4] Don’t suppose you could reinstate my article about Trump’s lies? According to the guidelines, every attempt should be made to contact the writer of an article prior to deleting. Simply asking for common courtesy. --JLind (talk) 15:34, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Penetration is rape. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 16:17, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Should have paid more attention to your source, might I suggest a restructuring of the Reade article? Are you going to apply the same standards to our president? Something tells me you are going to ignore any valid allegations against Trump, no matter how well sourced. Any chance you could answer the other questions I had? I really would like to resume the Trump article that was deleted.--JLind (talk) 16:48, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Again, digital penetration is rape. Neither Clarence Thomas, Brett Kavanaugh, or Donald Trump were ever accused of anything like this. Two Democrat presidential nominees, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden have been accused of rape. I don't smell any outrage from the communist left. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 17:24, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Or rather in your case, JLind, invalid allegations that are poorly sourced and have since been discredited by either lack of evidence (or presentation of manufactured "evidence" that was later discredited) by the accusers or by evidence produced by the accused and acquaintances. You just lost that round. Northwest (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Read the link I provided. Allegations of sexual assault are provided.--JLind (talk) 18:09, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Your link comes from a liberal media source (and another reminder, the liberal media is known to lie and make things up to suit their narrative), so it's not credible. Your emotionally-charged attempts to influence the argument are accomplishing nothing for you, JLind. Northwest (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

"The link I provided:" next he's gonna tell us George Stephanopoulos has 3 grams of credibility and the Disney Corporation that owns ABC produces family entertainment. I wouldn't wipe my butt with anything ABC produces for fear of transmissibility of an infectious agent through a mucus membrane. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 20:00, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Oh, and there is plenty you can do; you can go down and bang on the doors of the Supreme Court, get arrested at a Nadler or Schiff hearing, drag Biden supporters out of their cars at intersections and beat them, shout stupid questions at Nancy Pelosi, bang a drum in the face of a communist. If you can show me video evidence of any of these, you can do whatever you want. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 16:31, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Yeah... I think I'll... not do the incredibly stupid things you suggested.--JLind (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Flip Rob's narrative from conservative to liberal, and it's exactly YOUR SIDE that had done the incredibly stupid things, JLind. And it's all backed up and documented. Karajou (talk) 17:13, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

It appears the CCP may have whacked Kim jong-un with a heart attack, or being brain dead in a coma, or coronavirus to jumpstart using North Korea to threaten nuclear war with the US. They didn't like Kim getting too cozy with Trump. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 14:52, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

Conservapedia warned Kim jong-un about the health risks of obesity in its atheism and obesity article. But like most atheists, he was stubborn due to his sinful pride and he just wouldn't listen. Conservative (talk) 21:14, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

In fairness to Un, he said he felt that Conservapedia was being a pretty big of a backseat driver in that instance. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 05:23, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

Getting surgery in North Korea sounds problematic. If your enemies know you are under sedation, a coup leader could start aplotting. Kim Il-sung let an enormous polyp grow on the back of his head rather than risk going under the knife. Take a look at this picture. In short, it must have been something quite serious. North Korea closed its borders on January 21 in response to covid-19. Trade is down 21 percent. Kim Yo-jong, Kim Jong-un's sister, is ready to make her move. She is the gangster of the family, according to this article. PeterKa (talk) 08:02, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

Wha...? You mean women have made enough social progress in North Korea that institutional sexism doesn't exist? RobS^{Live Free or Die}

It's how dynastic politics works, just like Elizabeth ruled Shakespeare's England. Yo-jong is certainly the best looking world leader these days. PeterKa (talk) 20:16, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

It's still a man's world and always will be (see: Pew Research: Number of women leaders around the world has grown, but they’re still a small group).

Biology and religion will ensure that the world largely stays a man's world (Bible's passages on who is the head of the family/church, Islam, testosterone, upper body strength, height, men are overrepresented in the upper eschelons of high IQ, etc.).

And after all is said and done, income/wealth are the key determinants of who has earthly power in the world. The rest is often kubuki theatre (Yes, there are exceptions such as revolutions. Racial politics in South Africa, etc.). The American left can complain all they want about income inequality, but they have little power in the USA.Conservative (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

How can such a good-looking woman be a sister of the mighty pig? Koreans say that the "third sister" is the most beautiful one. I don't think there is any public record of how many sisters she has. PeterKa (talk) 00:40, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

She is rather gaunt, attractive rather than beautiful. The total opposite of her obese brother.--Chewy Suarez (talk) 00:48, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

She used to be a background sister, but she may very well have graduated to lead sister. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 23:00, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

Timeline is coming into view:

• May 2019 - CCP declares 'People's War' on US.
• June 2019 - China Tribunal announces full report on organ harvesting will be out in March 2020.
• November 2019 - Bat virus leaked from bioweapons lab.
• January 14, 2020 - Chinese delegation signs new trade agreement in D.C.

• January 14 - WHO puts out cover story "non-transmissible"

• January 2020 - China seeds planet with covid infected travelers;

• January - China buys up world supply of PPE.

• February - China recommends fish tanker cleaner as cure.
• March - China Tribunal releases full report on CCP organ harvesting.
• April - China whacks Kim jong-un.

• April - China sends supposed delegation of doctors as cover story for political delegation to arrange new North. Korean regime. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 09:04, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

I'm used to thinking of North Korea as "that starving communist state." But things have changed, at least according to this video: "Will China Take North Korea When Kim Dies?" The border towns are full of cars, washing machines stores, and other modern conveniences. Kim Jong-un's demise will boost China's influence and the consumer economy that has developed on the border will spread. It's hard to see North Koreans satisfied with life in the army once they have the option of making money. The most amazing part of the video starts at 15:42, where a woman dances to a pop tune in the middle of the street. Other North Koreans crowd around. She's obviously been practicing. PeterKa (talk) 17:33, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

North Korea is dependent on the China supply train for everything, but the CCP virus lockdown has closed of the border and trade. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 17:46, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

The immigration ban - both legal and illegal - has more to do with rebuilding jobs for the 22 million unemployed than preventing the spread of CCP virus. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 00:10, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

Rob, that figure seems suspect to me. Only 3 million had actually left the workforce by March 31, so the rest must be considered to be temporary layoffs. I think the lockdown convinced many that unemployment compensation was a kind of payroll insurance instead of funds supplied to those who had, legally speaking, detached from their employer.

1.05 million workers became temporarily laid off in March.

158,700,000 were employed at the end of February 2020 (seasonally adjusted).

155,800,000 were employed at the end of March 2020 (seasonally adjusted).

95,100,000 were not in the labor force at the end of February 2020 (seasonally adjusted).

96,800,000 were not in the labor force at the end of March 2020 (seasonally adjusted).

If you take just the employment figures, you get an increase of 2,900,000 unemployed;

If you take just the unemployment figures (temporary and permanent from jobs), you get an increase of 2,750,000 unemployed.

There are also 7,100,000 total unemployed up to March (seasonally adjusted), and 5,510,000 total workers (547,000 new for March) whose benefits have run out, but are still seeking a job (12,600,000 grand total).

VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 06:43, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

It depends on how many businesses Pelosi and the Democrats put out of business permanently to make AOC happy. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 07:01, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

The world may never know. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 08:18, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

It's a twofer; by keeping America closed, Democrats get to blame Trump for bankruptcies and unemployment. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 16:03, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

Donald Trump needs to commission a study on how many lives are lost during economic downturns such depression/suicide, excess drinking, illegal drug use, domestic violence, etc. Via having a more broad view, counterarguments to lockdowns can be made.Conservative (talk) 07:29, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

Personally I think this underreporting of flu and heart attack deaths is more related to padding DNC voter roles than hyping covid deaths. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 12:59, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

Study finds that schoolkids have a low virus load and are unlikely to spread the disease. Switzerland takes the science seriously.[5] PeterKa (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

This guy debunks the junk science report out there that says hydrocholoquine kills. First off, it's not a real "study"; they just read patient charts and never studied anybody. Secondly, hydrochloroquine is effective when it's prescribed at the start of the illness. The charts those guys read were from doctors who used hydrochloroquine on terminal patients when all else failed. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 13:28, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

"The history of war proves that nine out of ten times an army has been destroyed because its supply lines have been cut off...” -- General Douglas MacArthur

The U.S. media has vigorously supported virus testing, lockdowns, and school closings. All of these strategies have been shown to be ineffective, at least in terms of fighting the virus. The epidemologist who devised Swedish policy can explain why. Of late, the media has been bursting with pride over its role in this crisis and its wrongheaded opinions. After all, they hoodwinked Americans into going on a nationwide strike. I must say, why did anyone ever think virus testing would make a difference? If you are sick, you feel sick. You don't need a test. Saturday Night Live used to broadcast a joke ad for a "home headache test." PeterKa (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

Public school closings are fantastic!

The public schools are one of the key supply lines in terms of indoctrinating young people.

"With regard to ground of this nature, be before the enemy in occupying the raised and sunny spots, and carefully guard your line of supplies. Then you will be able to fight with advantage." - Sun Tzu

"The history of war proves that nine out of ten times an army has been destroyed because its supply lines have been cut off...” -- General Douglas MacArthurWikignome72 (talk) 02:55, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

PeterKa, you must read with one eye closed. Mitigation efforts and flattening the curve are not aimed at fighting off the virus; you can't fight off the virus, it will win in the end. You can only mitigate overwhelming the hospitals and protect frontline healthcare workers. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 10:07, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

Lockdowns

Here is a comprehensive look at the lockdown issue I'd like to see on MPR: "Lockdowns Don’t Work." Sweden and The Netherlands, the only countries in Europe not currently under lockdown, are performing slightly better than the countries with lockdowns. Hong Kong, South Korea, and Taiwan have tamed the Wuhan virus without lockdowns. The article provides data to support school shutdowns, so perhaps I shouldn't have been so quick to condemn those.
Another point the article makes is that there is no historical experience that can be used to support the lockdown idea. The closest thing to a precedent is St. Louis, which shut all business for 48 hours during 1918 pandemic. In other words, lockdowns are a trend that started in Red China. Everyone else is following along as if Xi Jinping knew what he was doing. PeterKa (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

Fine. Tell me now what you know about the RNA replication cycle. [6] RobS^{Live Free or Die} 22:14, 24 April 2020 (EDT)

Today's fake news is that Trump wants us all to drink Lysol. This claim has its origin in a briefing in which Trump asked a researcher if injecting disinfectant into a lung would make a good experiment.[7] Of course, that is still a goofy thing to ask. But it is a long way from the fake news version of what happened. Trump didn't mention any brand names, yet the headlines are all about Lysol. It reminds me of the "Star Wars defense" issue back in the 1980s. If you talked to a liberal at that time, chances are that this issue would be one of his top grievances. The phrase supposedly showed that Reagan couldn't keep track of the difference between movies and reality. Yet Reagan never actually used this phrase, or even explained his defense policy using Hollywood analogies. PeterKa (talk) 00:11, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

I saw the interview. Trump did not ask if injecting disinfectant into a lung would make a good experiment.

Perhaps the problem lies in the English language. A disinfectant is supposed to neutralize or kill infectants. Now we have a good excuse for the FTC and FDA to re-regulate the entire disinfectant manufacturing industry when the current crisis is over. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 00:33, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Speaking of disinfectants...The infections and recoveries are now forming a banana-shaped boundary. Once they meet...Yes, we have no bananas. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 01:11, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

When they intersect, we have herd immunity, right? Don't expect it this year. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 01:38, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Seriously though, and interestingly, when they intersect, it will mean, subtracting out fatalities, that the wave of infection is half over. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 12:06, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Wait wait (and I'm not trying to just be argumentative); there seems to be a general belief that the fatality rate is being padded, largely due to economic incentives provided by Congress to treat covid victims. So when fatalities are subtracted out, this becomes the "science" to determine Covid-19's fatality rate? RobS^{Live Free or Die} 16:01, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

The "infected" doesn't just mean infected. It means the infected who actually sought out medical treatment. So no, if you use the definition that's used on the chart, you'll get a much higher fatality rate. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 18:23, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

I saw on Bill Mitchell's Twitter feed that, commonly, flu viruses will reach five to six million people, while the Wuhan virus's medically-treated infections haven't reached two million yet. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 12:12, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Trump was responding to this comment by Bill Bryan: "We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing."

Here is Trump's question: "I see the disinfectant that knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? As you see, it gets in the lungs, it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it would be interesting to check that.” PeterKa (talk) 02:14, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Ok. So you're guilty of spreading BS. Next. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 02:48, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

• Here is the New York Daily News: "A spike in New Yorkers ingesting household cleaners following Trump’s controversial coronavirus comments." According to the article, "None of the people who reached out died or required hospitalization, the spokesman said." In other words, there were a bunch of prank calls.

On second thought, if you interpret the word "disinfectant" to mean "something that kills the Wuhan virus," Trump's question is a perfectly reasonable one. PeterKa (talk) 06:49, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Donald Trump's comment is a reflection of America's subpar educational system. There needs to be more competition in America's educational system as competition and the free enterprise system does increase quality. Belgium has a voucher system, and its educational system is rated higher than the USA.

In addition, America's educational system pushes evolutionism which is a farce from a biological science perspective.

Donald Trump went to New York Military Academy.

Here is some background on that school:

"Charles Jefferson Wright, a Civil War veteran and teacher, founded the school under the belief that a military structure provided the best environment for academic achievement...Fletcher Bailey, an instructor and a master sergeant in the military, told WSJ the training aims to instill "discipline, attention to detail, and moving in an orderly fashion."[8]

"Yeah, I think so. When I listen to Donald now speaking and read reports of what he said, the circumstances are of course 2016, but the time — the conversation, the way he’s talking, the topics he talks about, seem to be 1964, because in our barracks, we talked the same way, probably a lot more profanely, about minorities, about people of different religions, about women. In fact, our biggest advice in our lives came from Playboy magazine. That’s how we learned — That’s what we learned about women, so that was all of my adolescence. And that’s why getting out of military school was difficult. You had to realize that you couldn’t just follow the Playboy philosophy."[9]

I realize that Trump was a bit of a troublemaker and that is why his father sent him off to military school. It probably straightened him out in some ways and helped him succeed in business. But I have my doubts that the military school offered a world-class science education.Conservative (talk) 10:19, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Oh, but America's professional blame-shifters went to journalism schools that did? If an animal host to a parasite takes a heart-worm medication, it works by making their blood poisonous to the parasites. Meanwhile, it's a fact that there is a heart-worm medication ingredient that does just that for the Wuhan virus, but only remains unused until the most safe and effective dosages are determined.

The inaccuracy of the people starting this "story", or rather, "play of their imagination", since they only understand the concepts involved to the degree to which they can be weaved into a scandal useful to themselves, however brief and however galling to those who know the truth, is only matched by the condescension by which they successfully spread these doubts involved with Trump's grasp of the aforementioned subjects, doubts on behalf of which they themselves, hypocritically, show their ignorance and are in no position to judge. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 11:51, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Very well stated. Pelosi's comments reflect what she thinks about the intelligence of voters.

I've been beyond outrage for decades. In a sense, I can empathize with NeverTrumpers, having gone through the same experience in the Clinton era. As a raconteur on the politics of the day, it was extraordinarily frustrating trying to have a civil conversation with doped-up Clinton zombies who could only sing Fleetwood Mac's Little Lies if you tried to discuss the latest comments of the President. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 15:42, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

Trump isn't a whiz when it comes to biology. However, he is a numbers/business guy and can analyze things. He did go to Wharton's School of Management.

After all is said and done, I would prefer to have a businessman in the Oval Office than a scientist.

It is true that South Korea gets an A+ in handling the COVID-19 crisis, but they had the benefit of getting slammed with 2 other Chinese pandemics harder than the USA before as they are neighbors of China.Conservative (talk) 04:40, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

I got a coronavirus infection and instead of using Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment, I drank a bottle of Listerine instead. It worked! Thank God for President Trump's brainstorming about how to cure coronavirus infections via disinfectants! Donald Trump is a very stable genius!

Belated April Fool's joke! Conservative (talk) 23:25, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Lol. You wouldn't make it past the first gulp. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 23:28, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Since Xia Baolong was appointed to oversee Hong Kong in February, Chinese policy has taken a hardline turn. Martin Lee, leader of Hong Kong's largest political party, and Jimmy Lai, the city's top media mogul, were both arrested. See "China Flexes Muscles on Hong Kong, Prompting Outcry From U.S.." Hong Kong's legislative elections are scheduled for September. The legislature has more power than the district councils that were elected back in November. The last legislative election was in 2016. China started off by disqualifying a bunch of pro-democracy candidates. When that wasn't enough, they disqualified elected legislators until they got the majority they wanted. That's the communist version of democracy.

At the time of the district council elections, Politburo member Han Zheng was running Hong Kong. Han was appointed boss of Shanghai by President Hu Jintao back in 2006. He was advertized as an anti-corruption czar (or, more cynically, someone who would purge Hu's opponents). The forces of corruption struck back and Han was suddenly replaced by Xi Jinping, at that time an unknown, after just a few months on the job. So perhaps there is some rivalry between the two men. Xia is a central committee member and owes his position entirely to Xi. In short, it seems that covid-19 has put Xi back in the saddle to the detriment of the people of Hong Kong. PeterKa (talk) 07:54, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

You want to do a couple 3, 4, or 5 paragraph synopsis on Hong Kong for our CCP Human rights subsection? We need it. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 02:07, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

This article perfectly explains why Biden should not be president. --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 22:58, 25 April 2020 (EDT)

The No. 1 liberal complaint against Reagan: How dumb he is. Same with Bush and Trump. Now liberals are backing a candidate who is objectively less intelligent than any of those people. During the primaries, almost everyone in the media preferred someone other than Biden. Yet from the coverage in the last few weeks, you'd think he was the second coming of Jimi Hendrix. Can a belligerent vegetable really become president? According to the media, I'm asking the wrong question. The correct question is, can Republicans accept Biden's inevitable victory. The absurd overconfidence that cost the Democrats the 2016 election is alive and well. PeterKa (talk) 02:47, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

There is probably a 50% chance that Joe Biden will be the next president. Sad! ("Sad!" - Donald Trump Tweet style).

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton had better poll numbers than Joe Biden at this point.

The suburban women vote and the elderly who think Trump is pushing too hard to open up the economy might put Biden over the top to win, however.

It will all come down to how Trump handles the coronavirus crisis in all likelihood.Conservative (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Personally, I think Biden's toast. He'll plead health concerns to get out of the rape allegations. Then flip a coin between Fredo the Elder and Hillary. Looks like Hillary at the moment.

Danger: We could be wasting much valuable time right now with an overfocus on Biden; let's not leave Hillary and Andrew Cuomo out of the contest and try to keep current on both MPR, and in articles, on their latest gaffes and scandals. We don't want to get blindsided when the inevitable, which everyone knows will happen, happens and Biden gets dumped. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 15:45, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Yeah agreed. We need to take everything into account regarding anyone who will be the Democratic nominee, whether Biden or not. The votes have NOT gotten in yet, and we need to keep eyes on Hillary and Cuomo due to both also having hints at being in the race and/or winning the primaries (despite neither actually entering the primaries or debating). Pokeria1 (talk) 16:16, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

I don't see how Biden could lose the Democrat nomination at this point given the amount of delegates he already has and level of support he has in terms of the Democratic establishment, momentum, etc. And Joe Biden would get the votes of superdelegates if there was a contested convention.

Bernie Sanders is a wimp who never went very negative on Joe Biden and I don't see him developing a backbone.

Barring a significant downturn in Biden's health, he is going to be the Democratic nominee. The idea that Democrats could bail on Biden now is fanciful thinking at best. The Democrats can't risk any more disunity in their party.Conservative (talk) 16:49, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Biden can loose two ways: (1) he can withdraw on the pretext of health and/or sexual harassment charges, or alternatively, death; or (2) the party can boot him off the ticket at the convention, or even afterward. There are precedents and contingencies for this. Only the DNC doesn't want to talk about it openly.

The DNC is controlled by something like 264 or 268 party committeemen. They can do whatever they like, whenever they like. They don't need delegates to instruct them. There was speculation for about a day or two or three of dumping Hillary after her collapse at the 9/11 memorial. The speculation was hushed up immediately. And the only reason it was ever raised is because one of the 264 chosen few made a public comment to a journalist, and the idea was immediately beat down. (They regularly hold conference call meetings, probably every morning in a heated political season, to gain a sense where this inner politburo stands. One or two voices can be easily shut up. Even several dozen dissenters can be told to conform and keep singing from the same song sheet. But secrecy is absolutely demanded to be admitted and remain in the group. If 100 dissenters suddenly appeared, and the momentum in that direction was gaining, the only issue to discuss is when to make a final decision and final announcement on a change, complete with all the regular talking points.

So far, one low level Biden advisor and one low level Clinton advisor have made public comments about Biden withdrawing over the sex scandal. After Tuesday's voting, the DNC will analyze turnout, enthusiasm, etc., especially among key groups like women. If it looks like some traditional Democrats are turned off, and Biden is making no headway with Sanders supporters, look for more comments from ex-Hillary and ex-Biden advisers moving up the food chain, i.e. more prominent voices. In the ideal scenario, Biden withdraws. And he is more of a party loyalist than doing it for his 78 year old ego.) RobS^{Live Free or Die} 21:16, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

The next step is for Biden to pick a running mate. Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitman is the obvious choice. If Biden drops out, the running mate will take his place. I don't see a scenario in which Hillary is the nominee. PeterKa (talk) 21:59, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

The 264 committeemen got enough clout with the 900 superdelegates and state delegations to stage a last minute rallying call for Hillary at the convention and put the Sanders people back in their place, again. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 22:05, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Part of what makes Sanders people and socialists so dumb is, they haven't figured out they don't have a majority in the Democrat party, let alone in America. And waiting for people to die is a tedious strategy. That's why socialists generally resort to murder to bring about their objective of single party control. If they focused on things like negotiation and compromise rather than emotion and fits, they'd probably get more respect. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 22:12, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

If Trump handles the coronavirus crisis and financial crisis well, Biden will be a sacrificial lamb. Older, black, women voters, a key voting block within the Democrats, like Joe Biden so the Democrats will not kick the sleeping dog sleepy Joe Biden.Conservative (talk) 00:08, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

What most people have not realized yet is, the CCP global pandemic is a life changing event. Even moreso than 9/11. By comparison, we are living in times that resemble more the Great Depression and World War II. The pre-2020 world is gone for ever. And Trump's biggest asset, his economic record and improvements in minority unemployment, have been removed. Brace yourself for more daily shocking events between now and November. Trump has no record to run on, other than media's pent up hatred for him. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 12:58, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

The Chinese caused coronavirus pandemic is like a meteor that slammed into the historical scene. There was little time ramping things up in terms of the historical narrative.

And it looks like it will create friction between the China and US/Europe/Australia. It has already started.

But WWII and the depression could very well last longer given the resources being poured out to develop a vaccine. Therefore, those two previous events could have a greater impact from a historical perspective. I think it will take several financial quarters to bounce back, but it will not last as long as the great depression to recover. I think Trump is smarter business/economics wise than FDR.

Also, history does not unfold with a blank slate behind it. People are going to judge Biden and Trump on what they did in the past and going forward. For example, many people are not going to change their minds about Biden/Trump. It is really the independents and undecided people who are going to be the king makers.Conservative (talk) 13:40, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

The most damning evidence (among dozens of others) cited today by Kyle Bass [10] proving malicious intent is, on January 23 Xi Jinping shut down domestic airflight from Wuhan, but allowed 2,300 international airflights to depart from Wuhan (figure at least 200 people per flight) to seed the rest of the world with the virus. For those of you non-hard science experts, the deliberate intent of the CCP should be our focus in educating our readership. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 03:30, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

There might be a Great Depression 2.0 and we might be seeing a "return to normal" phase of the stock market like what happened in 1929/1930, see: Dow Futures Shiver as This Bubble Chart Predicts a Terrifying Crash.

It doesn't have to be terrifying. The smart people can hunker down in recession/depression proof sectors of the economy. "At least seven billion-dollar families, worth a total of $31.9 billion, owe their fortunes to businesses founded during the Great Depression."[11]Wikignome72 (talk) 06:50, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Top conservatives on Twitter member Kayleigh McEnany has recently been appointed Press Secretary to the President. I placed her on the Top Conservatives on Twitter page on November 11, 2016, before I privatized the list, back when there were just 56 members on it. Also, Kayleigh (notice how I use her first name? It makes it look like we talk all the time.) only had 63,888 followers up to that point on that day.

CNN guests ganged up on her at one point, so Ann Coulter placed an earlier video recording on her Twitter feed of Kayleigh on an August 10, 2016 CNN show where she debated the former Speaker of the New York City Council and left her sputtering with rage. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 01:27, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Kayleigh had just said, "I asked you what attracted [the Orlando Pulse Nightclub massacrist's father who attended a Hillary Clinton rally on about the fourth row and in camera range for long periods of time] to your candidate [Hillary Clinton], and your answer was 'This is a mentally ill individual'?"

I think the former Madam Speaker was behaving a little less collegial than what you might have expected from someone who achieved so high a ranking status. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 01:56, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Kayleigh's brain processes information so fast, you have to catch the jab on the replay. Also, she actually set up that butch looking councilwoman [Rob and I had an edit conflict, and I hadn't added that context about the "setup" yet]. Pretty sophisticated technique from someone so young. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 02:01, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

Very impressive, Vargas!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:41, 26 April 2020 (EDT)

She must be off to a good start; the liberals hate her already! VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 04:00, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

It starts

Kayleigh McEnany, March 15, 2012: Obama filling out his "presidential bracket" now on ESPN. Don't you have better things to do son? Like.. oh, I don't know.. govern.

Rep. Eric Swalwell, 769,100 followers, April 20, 2020: That's un-impeached President Obama to you.

Oh, so it's a conspicuous disgrace to be impeached and exonerated, Representative Swalwell? So thinking in analogies, it must be a disgrace to be indicted and acquitted! I'm sure the residents of your district who have ever been racially-profiled would be interested to learn these feelings of yours about what any encounter with the legal system says about their worth in the community, so please do continue! Maybe try "forever indicted" for example!

WiscoMomm, 565 followers, April 21, 2020: What a racist comment. @kaleighmcenany is a disgrace.

So, ma'am, if we can't laugh at President Obama for appearing on one too many TV shows, and we can't laugh at Speaker Paul Ryan for doing one too many feel-good photo-ops, who can we laugh at?

But ma'am, you really should patent whatever train of reason that led you from hearing Kaleigh McEnany, not two years out of college herself, call President Obama a patronizing "son", after participating in the college activity of college sports bracket-picking on ESPN, to the conclusion that she is a racist. Because the proportion of political convenience you managed to generate by whatever guided you to that interpretation from so little a factual basis, is so astronomical, that I'm sure it comes very close to casting worried lines of doubt on the brows of physics teachers who tell us the laws of thermodynamics forbid the manipulation of energies into fueling a perpetual motion machine. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 04:00, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

We already know there was no reason, much less reasonable cause, much less probable cause, for the FBI to begin investigating Trump. But now it may turn out that there was no reason either to investigate Michael Flynn, a watchdog in the prior administration, and the first in Trump's administration to be charged with a crime, fraudulently.

Flynn's lawyer commented on one of the results of the contents revealed in the release of Brady documents relevant to her client's case she just received, which were over a year old, "It also defeats any argument that the interview of Mr. Flynn on January 24, 2017 [by Peter Strzok] was material to any ‘investigation.’"

The reasons for the judicial pursuit of Trump and his administration may seem like solid reasons, but when brought to the vision of the actual facts of what was really going on, they disappear like ghosts. VargasMilan (talk) Monday, 17:19, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

Lee Smith put forward a theory (which I've suspected for a long time as well) that Flynn was, from the beginning the main target. Bad blood existed between Brennan, the IC, and Flynn since 2014 when he opposed Obama's support for ISIS and was fired. He had to be shut up then. And they tried. That's what the Svetlana Lokhova affair was about. Brennan and Halper tried to set up Flynn in 2014. Brennan, Halper, and Mifsud tried again in December 2015. They didn't like Trump, but they hated Flynn. When Flynn hooked up with Trump formally in March 2016, it just added impetus to take Trump down, as well.

But there's another overriding objective that was always at work. And I know I'm alone in saying this, but I have evidence; whoever the GOP nominee would be - Cruz, Rubio, or anyone else - Hillary, the DNC, and the Obama FBI were ready to destroy whoever the GOP nominee would be through some sham fraud probably related to Russia. That's what the Page/Strzok OCONUS lures reference was about in December 2015 - five months before Trump secured the nomination. But if you'll recall, CNN was promoting Trump full bore before the primaries, the so-called 'pied piper' strategy, that Trump would be the easiest for Hillary to beat. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 07:58, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

• The Real Reason to Wear a Mask - largely stops the spread of coronavirus disease in the public within a couple of weeks

On top of this, we have Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment.

Much of the world suffers from an ignorance pandemic more than a infectious disease pandemic.Conservative (talk) 00:28, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.Conservative (talk) 00:31, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Well put, Conservative. I would go further and say, maybe now when the flu comes along, and someone says they're not getting a flu shot, we can beat them with a stick in a neighborly way and demand, "stop spreading the flu—it's dangerous to the elderly, and I'm not going through lockdowns ever again" and continue to beat them until they comply. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 00:56, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

By the way, Conservative, and anyone else following this, the results are in by checking the public for antibodies in random tests. And the fatality rate of the coronavirus is... 0.1%—same as the flu! VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 01:09, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Lockdowns, meanwhile, have turned out to be just a way for governors to fulfill their authoritarian dreams: "California Docs Say Lockdown vs. Non-Lockdown 'Did Not Produce a Statistically Different Number of Deaths'." Trump's question at the famous "disinfectant" briefing was a reaction to the announcement that sunlight has been found to kill the virus. So when the media should been encouraging Americans to take a trip to the local park, we get nasty accusations about Lysol.

I would say that the evidence is strongly against the idea of virus testing at this point. California's response to the epidemic was a general failure at every level in terms of testing and so forth. Yet it ended up with the second lowest death rate of any state. (Texas is lower.) This is presumably because they have warm weather and a low population density. In short, what every other state needs is a warmer climate. Just say "no" to big wind and solar panels! PeterKa (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

It looks like herd immunity is developing nicely in prisons. From a month ago: "The Czech Republic went from zero mask usage to 100% in 10 days, and in the process they halted the growth of new covid-19 cases." And today, ER Docs Urge "Open Up Society Now" Because "Lockdowns Are Weakening Our Immune Systems" - lockdowns impede the development of herd immunity. Besides easing the burden on healthcare providers, lockdowns serve one other important purpose in dealing with a novel or unknown virus - it gives time to educate the public about what is known of the virus. The question, as always, at what point does starving to death outweigh the risks of spreading the virus to vulnerable persons? RobS^{Live Free or Die} 03:14, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Tucker Carlson says at 2:28 "I spoke to two people today who have who have seen the documents". Well duh. Who would be two people who've seen documents under court seal? The judge? The prosecutors who the docs embarrass and prove prosecutorial misconduct? No. Flynn attorney Sidney Powell and Mike Flynn himself. Most casual viewers, as well as those following this case, wouldn't catch that. But in reality, journalists make statements like this frequently, sometimes deliberately sometimes inadvertently. Tomorrow is suppose to be the big day for Flynn. Trump won't need to pardon him, just schedule a date to award him the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Then Flynn needs a big million dollar contract like Clapper, Brennan, and McCabe got to pay off his legal bills. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 04:06, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

"make statements like this" Oh, come on. In a news story, especially a long running one, the facts need to be gathered, collated, processed and then presented in a lively, informative narrative connecting with the previous stories and setting the stage for what comes next. Shouldn't they be allowed to support their story as it goes along by citing supporting evidence when appropriate without leading the audience down alleyways that, simply by their superficial resemblance to the practices of corrupt individuals, are likely to confuse and complicate, so the audience loses sight of the story as a whole? VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 04:54, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

At least if Flynn gets himself a million-dollar book contract, he won't have to weigh every word with an eye toward legal exposure. Or hire a guard for his book tour to keep Laura Loomer from showing up to call him a fraud during question time. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 05:13, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Well they're both under a sealed document gag order, and Tucker's bound by journalistic ethics. So if the judge was watching, it's unlikely he'll call both attorneys in before tomorrow's hearing and ask which side talked to Tucker Carlson yesterday. That's small potatoes compared to the magnanimity of the judge's decision, which presumably, he's already reached regarding the dispensation of justice toward an innocent man and victim of gross government misconduct and abuse.

I'm looking for Flynn to be hired as a national security expert consultant by Fox, with an audience about three times larger than McCabe and Clapper at CNN and about eight times larger than Brennan at MSNBC. So dollar for dollar, he ought to be paid about 3 or 8 times more than that gaggle of criminal scum who may be headed to jail. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 05:30, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

How can Flynn's defense attorney Sydney Powell file legal motions if she's under a gag order? Aren't those public records? VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 06:20, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

She can't disclose what's under seal, but she walked right up to the line talking with Tucker about it. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 07:24, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

I highly recommend you guys read this article by William S. Smith at The American Conservative. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mike-pompeo-american-jacobin/ --Geopolitician (talk) 13:22, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

I've read it, and it does resonate somewhat. Unfortunately, one of the bigger problems here is that we'd essentially hand the world to communism on a silver platter, that you have essentially suggested that let ChiComs and Iranians run things, even though they've already exposed themselves as far worse people than the Saudis. I've already let myself be tricked by Hideo Kojima and his trickery regarding promoting American ideals in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, his use of historical research as well, into thinking from certain stuff that WE Americans are pure evil via selective reporting on America's crimes, and that Che Guevara was a saint who walked on water, and didn't even KNOW how evil Che truly was or even that he was a communist until I cracked open one of the Politically Incorrect Guides (and I wasn't even a liberal, I was a conservative myself), to say little about how George Lucas has straight up admitted to tricking countless Americans into rooting for the Vietcong by dressing them up in Marine outfits in Star Wars (and how, on the subject of the French Revolution, he not only modeled the Old Republic on Robespierre's France, but even implied it was a good form of government until Napoleon took over, certainly better than Louis XVI). I am NOT letting the left try to push their anti-war, anti-American views on us and treating people like the Jacobins and Marxists as heroes, period. As bad as Neoconservatives might be, the Marxists and far left are FAR worse, and I'm speaking from experience. I myself have ALSO been on that same road as you, so I know EXACTLY what you went through to go against Neoconservativism. Unfortunately for me, even if I were to consider going against Neoconservativism, I'd automatically have to be a Che-loving anti-American radical just to do that, and I simply CANNOT do that, not after how many Christians were slaughtered by them, and WILL continue to be slaughtered by them (and what's worse? Unlike during the Cold War, or even the French Revolution, where the Pope DID at least side with the persecuted Christians, whether by the French Jacobin government or by the Soviet bloc, our current pope is telling the ChiComs that the Christians are all theirs to kill, giving them permission to kill us, stabbing us in the back). Pokeria1 (talk) 14:41, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

I dunno. I'm still of the mindset that some criticism of neoconservativism has a tinge of anti-semitism to it. Was Eisenhower a neoconservative? RobS^{Live Free or Die} 14:54, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Rob, I absolutely understand where you're coming from there. Yes, there is a serious anti-Semitism problem within the anti-neocon movement. Just like there was once a serious anti-Semitism problem within the anti-Communist movement. But the anti-Semites in the anti-Communist movement were pushed to the sidelines thanks to people like Bill Buckley. The anti-neocon movement needs its own Bill Buckley at this time. On a side note, I do not consider Eisenhower to be a neocon. Yes, he was rather liberal compared to modern Republicans. But his foreign policy was close to the polar opposite of that espoused by the neocon movement. He was a general, but he was no jingoist. He knew war firsthand, and how found it to be brutal, futile, and stupid. His words, not mine.[12]--Geopolitician (talk) 21:36, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Eisenhower is considered a Republican Internationalist. It used to be called Vandenberg/Eisenhower Republican internationalism. Nixon was a Republican internationalist. Somewhere after the Nixon/Kissinger relationship, neocons eclipsed Republican internationalists, the difference being GOP internationalist put America first whereas neocons are accused of putting Israel first.

Fast forward to the immediate moment: Nixonian internationalism is now under attack for normalizing relations with the CCP. But the alternative to Nixonian internationalism is repeating the endless non-winnable ground confrontations with the CCP as in Korea and Vietnam, only now the battlefield is more likely to shift toward Africa. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 22:36, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

I have never accepted the idea that neocons are Israel first. For most, if not all neocons, their first love is the "American Empire." Hence their obsession with the Middle East. At this time, the key to sustaining an American empire lies in the petrodollar. That's why they are so accommodating to Saudi Arabia and its Wahhabist proxies, while simultaneously pretending to oppose Wahhabism in public.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:17, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

@ RobS Is Internationalism different than Globalism? If so do we need to end the re-direct and build out the page for Internationalism to point out differences? Progressingamerica (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Internationalism relates to issues of peace and war - the old interventionism vs. isolationism debate. When the hero of Normandy became the Republican president, that ended the dominance of Republican isolationists in the party and the monopoly Democrats had on Internationalism and America's role in world affairs. Globalism relates to trade issues and peacetime governance and offers little help in issues of going to war. By that I mean globalism and global commitments carry the risk of a minor ally dragging the U.S. into war, where the U.S. cedes in role as an International leader. For example Israel and the UK dragging the U.S. into Beirut in 1982 or France and the U.K. into Libya in 2012. Or Eisenhower avoiding the U.K and France dragging the U.S. into the Suez Crisis in 1956. That's the meaning of Republican Internationalism, global leadership with restraint, not blanket commitments such as to Ukraine in 1994. I suspect you'll be hearing more about the Taiwan Defense Act in the near future. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 21:51, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Pokeria, don't let your fear of Communism hold you back. Isn't it a Christian's duty to oppose all evil, even in cases where evil does not persecute Christians outright?--Geopolitician (talk) 21:36, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Maybe you haven't noticed, but George Lucas and Hideo Kojima aren't card-carrying members of the Communist Party, nor do they oversee death camps against Christians, yet they still root for Communists. So yes, what I'm doing IS that duty, especially when they're not persecuting Christians outright via gunpoint. And maybe I'll give you what exactly it means to me to have to go against neo-conservativism. It means I'll have to act EXACTLY like George Lucas and James Cameron did here when discussing the subject of the VC and Mujahideen and al Qaeda, or how Big Boss and Kazuhira Miller acted here regarding Che Guevara (and bear in mind, the latter was stated in his upbringing tape to be more patriotic to America than he was to his home country of Japan). Heck, how Kojima acted here where he claimed America's pure evil, and claims Snake, the good guy, is a spy for Communist China. NOW do you see where I'm getting at? Pokeria1 (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

But you don't have to act like those people. There are both left-wing and right-wing arguments against neoconservatism. Those arguments don't necessarily validate one another by their mere existence.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:41, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

I wish that some conservatives would realize that to many, pro-intervention and foreign military engagement is a strategy, not an ideology. It's not like John Bolton spends all his time (or any of it) lobbying for more intervention, now that his tactical manoeuvres are no longer being used or considered. VargasMilan (talk) Tuesday, 17:14, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

In Bolton's case it is ideology. He was one of the founders of PNAC, after all.--Geopolitician (talk) 21:36, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

If John Bolton didn't get his way, it doesn't seem to bother him, at least, because he's encouraging the U.S. on Twitter with diplomacy advice and suggestions, despite the military options being dropped by Trump.

Contrast that with Bill Kristol, who withdrew from party politics and adopted an attitude of SMUG ALOOFNESS. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 01:05, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

You're right that Bolton is a lot more reserved than Kristol (the latter who has endorsed Biden). But unless Bolton publicly endorses Trump, I'll continue assume that deep down inside he secretly feels what Kristol outright says. And even if he does endorse, I won't forgive him for his past conduct.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:41, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

I'm posting this to continue a conversation from the talk page of PNAC.

So, here's my take on the oil price conflict that started over COVID. MbS had nothing to gain from starting a price war with Russia. Do recall that the price war started after MbS asked Putin to cut oil production due to falling global demand, and Putin refused. From Putin's point of view, production cuts weren't an urgent issue. Russia has more efficient oil extraction technology than Saudi Arabia. It costs Russia less money to produce one barrel of oil than it does for Saudi Arabia to do so. This means Russia is able to charge less money for its oil then Saudi Arabia is. Russia is not as vulnerable to falling prices as Saudi Arabia is.

Now, here's the big question. Why would MbS dramatically increase oil production in his own country, when doing so would drive global oil prices down even lower? Why would he do that, despite the facts that (1) he originally wanted oil production cut; and (2) such an action would potentially inflict serious harm on his own country's economy? I'm sure some of you have differing explanations, but I'll give mine here. MbS increased oil production for no reason other than to hurt Russia. He didn't care that this action would harm not just his own economy, but also the economy of his main benefactor, the US. His main priority at that moment was revenge. He did it out of nothing but pure, unadulterated spite. In his mind, as long as he hurt Russia, any side consequences were worth it.

This price war was just the latest of a series of provocative acts Saudi Arabia has committed ever since MbS became crown prince and took over many of his ailing father's official duties. And I do believe that these acts (such as waging war on Yemen; sponsoring the failed coup in Turkey; isolating Qatar and trying to turn it into an island; kidnapping the Lebanese prime minister; killing Khashoggi; deploying troops into Northern Syria; possibly multiple false flag incidents blamed on Iran, etc.) were all done for the same reason. MbS (and his father) are unwilling to accept that Saudi Arabia is a declining power, and the balance of power in the region is changing. So its leadership is lashing out. It would rather start a war that would "burn everything down" than share power with its enemies or even its own allies. MbS knows full well that such behavior will result in his country becoming an international pariah (if it's not one already). But he doesn't care. And I fear that one day he will start a major war, one that the US almost certainly will be dragged into.--Geopolitician (talk) 23:45, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

My sources say MBS started the price war. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 00:25, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

Saudi's cost of production is $5 per barrel compared to $7.60 for Russia and $13.50 for the United States.[13] I assume MBS wants to put the frackors out of business, so Russia isn't really relevant. PeterKa (talk) 01:17, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

Okay. Let me clarify. When I said "cost of production," I meant break-even selling prices. I apologize if I caused any confusion. The Saudi Arabia's break-even price is $84 per barrel; Russia's is $40 per barrel. [14] Based on this chart, Saudi Arabia has been in the red since November 2014. During that same time period, Russia has almost always been in the black, with the exceptions being during January and February of 2016, and during this oil war. --Geopolitician (talk) 13:57, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

We're on the same page, RobS.--Geopolitician (talk) 13:57, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

The Saudi number you gave to is the amount they need to support the Saudi state in it's current form, service their debt, keep all the princes in their villas, and so forth. I am not sure that "break-even price" is the right word for this. It certainly costs more for the Russians to get oil from Siberia than for the Saudis to pump it out from under the sand. PeterKa (talk) 14:58, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

This article explains everything wrong with Chuck Schumer. Also, out of topic, but given the heated battleground in Maine this election season, did anyone else see this great debate I started? The latter might a really interesting topic for CP editors to debate on. --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 00:18, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

If the Democrats stuff the ballot box within a 3% or less margin, issues such as abortion are of little consequences. RobS^{Live Free or Die} 00:27, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

What do you mean by little consequences? --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 00:52, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

If you are in lockdown these days, you can thank Neil Ferguson of Imperial College in London. On March 16, Ferguson issued a forecast of 2.2 million Americans dead from covid-19. The Western world then shifted into panic and lockdown mode. Plans to promote "herd immunity" in Britain and The Netherlands had to be abandoned. Only Sweden and Nicaragua kept their schools open. So who is Ferguson and why does anyone listen to him? Basically, he's a professional doomsayer, a Paul Ehrlich of epidemics who has been overforcasting deaths from one disease after another for years. His forecasting code is proprietary and was written thirteen years ago. See "EXPOSED: The Man Behind the COVID-19 Panic!." PeterKa (talk) 01:47, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

The headlines today tell us that the Wuhan virus has now killed more Americans than the Vietnam War. Is there any logic in comparing a disease to a war? Let's compare this epidemic to a previous epidemic. The Hong Kong flu of 1968 (H3N2) killed 100,000 Americans, twice as many as the Wuhan virus. “The novel virus triggered a state of emergency in New York City; caused so many deaths in Berlin that corpses were stored in subway tunnels; overwhelmed London’s hospitals; and in some areas of France left half of the workforce bedridden.”[15] The Wuhan virus narrative is driven by the media's nasty politics of anti-Americanism and Trump hatred. In 1968, I'm pretty sure the media never thought of scaring Americans into staying home so that the economy would collapse. PeterKa (talk) 07:15, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

Don't be so sure the 1968 media wouldn't think of scaring Americans into doing so. Let's not forget that the 1968 media's the same one that infamously gave the false report that the Communists WON the Tet Offensive and single-handedly turned public opinion against the war (and even before that went out of their way to demonize our war effort there). Had Wuhan occurred during that time, they most CERTAINLY would have done so with even MORE success. Pokeria1 (talk) 11:35, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

You two ought to realize there was no 1968 media. They didn't call themselves that. They were the press. And Peter, the media is "scaring" people "into staying home" because they passed on Trump's epidemic doctor's information uncritically, and now they have to pretend it's still more deadly than the flu so liberal governors who over-reached in lockdowns and the complicit media aren't attacked for being alarmists and for denying civil liberties when the danger wasn't that dire. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 19:40, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

Fauci may have known better all along: "This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively," according to his article in the New England Journal of Medicine. Here he forecast 60,000 dead, which is pretty on the nose. Comparing covid to the Vietnam War or to the 1918 pandemic makes it sound so much worse than comparing it to the forgotten pandemics of 1957 and 1968. The baby boomers went through this stuff twice and soldiered on both times. PeterKa (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

That was a good way into the pandemic, not "all along". He previously predicted much higher numbers. VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 23:50, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

And we've been through this. RobS mentioned the serious problem of compliance issues (with regard to visiting the elderly) in New York, whereas Florida and Texas did alright.

And the brilliant move of mandatory placing of Wuhan virus patients in nursing homes in New York, I guess so Wuhan virus patients wouldn't be stigmatized for being too different or something or whatever. At least those to whom they spread the contagion didn't die "viro-phobic".

And let's not forget, the more slowly economy is opened, the longer the media can ride on the gravy train where everyone is turning to them for advice and watching them and their commercial sponsors. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:04, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Fauci's NEJM article was published on February 28, so it's pre-Ferguson. Fauci made the forecast of 60,000 dead on April 9. It seems that he is following the model created by University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. IHME first reported covid forecast 80,000 deaths made back on March 26.[16] Sadly, the world had already been panicked by Ferguson's wild overestimate by that time. PeterKa (talk) 00:48, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

I'm not mad at you, Peter, but what the h--- is that supposed to mean? Dr. Fauci wants to have his cake and eat it too with dual forecasts? VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:04, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Just so people know what I'm talking about, 39% of American Wuhan flu virus fatalities as of Wednesday, April 29, are in the single state of New York. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:11, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

And let me give an example of the expensive problems of "lock-down logic", so it's clear what I'm talking about there in quarantining the healthy: Why not keep the elderly away from schools, rather than keep all children at home away from elderly school staff? If you're under 30 with no health problems, you're essentially immune. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 01:24, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Cadet leader Pavel Milyukov wrote a history of the Russian Revolution. (The Cadets -- Constitutional Democrats -- were the good guys in the Russian Revolutions.) Trotsky would compare "Milyukov the politician" to "Milyukov the historian." It seems that there was a "Fauci the politician" and a "Fauci the medical doctor." PeterKa (talk) 01:17, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

This tweet by the chair of the Libertarian Party all but confirms that Justin Amash has formally joined the party. Amash is now the first ever member of the Libertarian Party to serve in Congress. He is also the first third-party member of Congress (not counting Independents) since Dean Barkley, who served as a Senator from Minnesota as a member of the Independence Party of Minnesota from 2002-03.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

The Libertarian party is an absolute joke. Many principles championed by Libertarians are actually very useful and worthy of talking about. The party is just a bunch of hacks that put forth a presidential candidate every 3.5 years with no intention whatsoever of making a difference. Anybody with influence there? Hell no. Anybody that associates with the party is a public loser. If they had any brains, they would nominate a solid person December 2020 for the 2024 campaign. Then campaign for four straight years. That's the only way to compete with the duopoly-dominant political system. --Jpatt 12:33, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Just a heads up: New unemployment figures are arriving in a few days, and if the reports of them are anything like last month's, expect to see the tabulations in media reports mangled beyond recognition. They are reported at this website. Don't look at the jobless claims, and heaven help you if try to add different weeks of those claims together. Look at the size of the total labor force (employed), measure the shrinkage and work from there. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 00:31, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

"Dad, what did you do as a journalist during the 2020 pandemic?"

"Well son, I covered the menacing growth of the virus, and how super dangerous it was to everyone, and the lockdowns ordered to prevent it from spreading, and then my reporting covered the economy—with a pillow until it suffocated." VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 00:31, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

If the media's plan works, a broken economy will pave the way for the election of Joe Biden. A rapist president who can't answer a question or even finish a sentence. That would be the anti-American media's dream come true.

With Georgia and Texas reopening, the media is having a hard time coming to grips with the fact that it was wrong about lockdowns and social distancing: "Georgia’s Experiment in Human Sacrifice: The state is about to find out how many people need to lose their lives to shore up the economy." If Georgia is committing human sacrifice, can the media come up with an even more extreme phrase to describe what Sweden and the Netherlands are doing? Georgia and Texas are warmer than Sweden and the Netherlands, so the risk should be lower.

When the lockdowns were imposed, it was assumed that 2.2 million deaths were on the way whatever we did. The best we could do was to "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the medical system. Overwhelming the medical system certainly isn't an issue at this point. PeterKa (talk) 02:26, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

"A call to punish the ignorant in stocks again: A study of a media person who envisions risk management as human sacrifice, yet strangely too timid to describe similar practice of triage in medicine in the same way." VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 03:21, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Looks like the World Health Organization has approved "human sacrifice": "WHO lauds lockdown-ignoring Sweden as a ‘model’ for countries going forward". Sweden did the full "herd immunity" thing and let the kids keep going to school. The covid stats for the Netherlands are slightly better than those for Sweden. The Dutch closed the schools, but never imposed a lockdown. PeterKa (talk) 05:27, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

In [the] last month mankind CO₂ emissions have been drastically reduced over the world. This has had no effect on net levels of CO₂ in the atmosphere. Global warming null hypothesis is thus not rejected. There is no correlation between man's emissions of CO₂ and net CO₂ in the atmosphere.

The definitive experiment has been done....Global warming has now been proved a hoax by a worldwide experiment.

Alan Tomalty, April 9, 2020.

VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 03:03, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

The more CO₂, the greener the planet.--Jpatt 12:26, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

According to this chart, we are lucky to be in one of history's rare periodic warm periods. The late Bronze Age and the Romans both had warmer weather than we do, but no one thinks that they suffered from global warming. PeterKa (talk) 20:42, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

This article explains everything wrong with the far-left courts nowadays. According to them, abortion is a absolute right that can never be infringed upon, but actual constitutional rights are mere conveniences. Then again, perhaps the date is 36 years off... --Liberaltears^{Your reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe} 13:01, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

I hear this from a reliable source. Bill Gates is responsible for the original panic. He did it. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:56, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Ferguson was chief (acting director) of the Gates-funded Vaccine Impact Modeling Consortium in 2019. VargasMilan (talk) Thursday, 17:59, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

The disease forecasting Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation is financed by Bill Gates. By waiting until March 26 to publish its first covid-19 forecast, IHME gave Ferguson ten days to start a panic. PeterKa (talk) 20:06, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

Filmmaker Michael Moore's latest effort exposes renewables as the scam they are: "New Michael Moore-Backed Documentary On YouTube Reveals Massive Ecological Impacts Of Renewables." It's not that Moore has come over to the light. He's being a logically consistent environmentalist. How evil is solar energy? It's so evil that Koch Industries supplies many of the materials needed to build panels. The larger issue is that no one relies on renewables as an energy source. Moore exposes how one company after another is faking it. So what does Moore think we should be doing instead? He is a Malthusian who wants to cull the human population.PeterKa (talk) 01:14, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

If don't you have an hour and forty minutes to watch the whole thing, here is a highlights reel. It shows GM executives proudly displaying a Chevy Volt. Then they have to admit that the cars will charge off the power grid at night. That means means they'll get their power from coal-burning plants, not from wind or solar energy. That's just as well since a football field covered with solar cells can power only ten homes, or so the video tells us. PeterKa (talk) 06:15, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

But you could fit forty 1300 sq. ft. rooves onto one football field, which would pay for 25% of those homes' electric bills year after year. VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 09:06, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

Solar panels get dirty pretty quickly. That cuts their efficiency way down. If you put them on the roof of a private residence, the homeowner would have to clean them. Back in the 1970s, they told people to do that. Carter put solar panels on the roof of the White House to set an example. It wasn't easy to be a good environmentalist. You had to risk your life, go up to your roof, and clean your panels every month.

Moore's anti-renewables schtick has clearly hit it's mark. But there has been very little reaction to his call for human extinction. That aspect of the video is apparently just common sense as far as the mainstream media is concerned. The video never mentions nuclear power, my preferred solution to the problems it presents. Of course, we don't need any more uranium-based Chernobyl-style reactors. The liquid fluoride thorium reactor is the future. PeterKa (talk) 03:49, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Why Peter, with all your fancy words, you're just showin your ignorance! Nucular pow'r ain't got nuthin to do with dirty teeth! Hyuk-hyuk! VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 19:39, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

That's how I actually laugh, BTW. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 01:37, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

but to prevent the spread of the Wuhan virus among younger, healthier people so, if compliance to contagion warnings didn't stop them, they wouldn't pass it on to the vulnerable, especially the elderly? If so, why did Andrew Cuomo's team force nursing homes to take in those infected with the Wuhan virus, especially during a time there was a shortage of personal protective gear?

That's not all. The state of New York refused requests of these nursing homes to transfer the patients out to hospitals, hospitals whose intensive care units are now widely known to have been only working at one-third capacity.

The name of New York's governing authority in the area of medical facilities is called the New York Department of Health, and the person who issued the edict was its head, Howard Zucker. Instead of questioning this strange decision, Andrew Cuomo has stonewalled and attacked one of the nursing homes that was affected the most, trying to claim they didn't want to transfer patients out. Zucker has yet to respond, according to the New York Post. They also say "Coronavirus complications have claimed over 3,600 lives in Empire State nursing homes."

Cuomo has already illegally stripped third-trimester infants' of legal protections of their right to life as established by their Supreme-Court-determined state obligations under the American constitution. In fact, although animals are required by law to be treated humanely, the same protections of these humans may be lacking due to the gaping anomaly in their legal status caused by the unconstitutional legislation.

New Yorkers are widely admired for their dynamism, but day after day of this persuades me more and more for it be merely a cynical ruse, and Trump's being pushed out of the state by the demands of corrupt judges less and less regrettable.

After all, if you're a responsible New Yorker, how could you help but be weighed down in sorrow by the gross mismanagement that goes on?

VargasMilan (talk) Friday, 02:04, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

The main purpose of the lockdowns is to save the lives of fat, baby boomers. That's it. Get used to it.Wikignome72 (talk) 19:49, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

New York is the epicenter of Trump hatred, so we can assume that the answer is partisan politics. New York's doctors and funeral home directors have been told to attribute as many deaths as possible to covid-19 in order to get more federal aid, according to this expose by James O’Keefe. PeterKa (talk) 22:07, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

Lockdowns are not pleasant, but countries that did lockdowns earlier saved more lives: Lockdowns, and their timings, matter. Who knew?

Of course, this doesn't take into account how lockdown related economic downturns have caused potential increases in suicides/depression, increased drug use, domestic violence related deaths, etc. Conservative (talk) 06:27, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Tucker: "Tens of millions...can't afford to do much of anything...but they better not complain about it...Dissent has been banned & that ban is relentlessly enforced by the willing stooges in our media who have finally stopped pretending they don't hate you. They definitely do." (April 22, 2020) VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 09:30, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Maybe Ames: "Americans fighting to keep their lives, livelihood, and their families from being destroyed by a tyrannical government gone wild.

"The founding fathers would be proud of this group. #MichiganProtest" VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 09:59, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

The founding fathers were not radical individualists who were against quarantines (see: LOCAL QUARANTINE AND INOCULTION FOR SMALLPOX IN THE AMERICAN COLONTIES (1620-1775)).

Quarantines protect the general welfare. "General Welfare. The concern of the government for the health, peace, morality, and safety of its citizens. Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution."[17]

The real problem is America turned liberty into licentiousness and undisciplined living and has a significant obesity problem. Colonial America didn't have a pandemic of obesity. And its obesity that is more apt to flood ICU units with coronavirus patients.

In summary, the more a society engages in licentiousness and undisciplined living, the more it can expect a loss of freedom. Scripture alludes to this and says that the slack hand is put to forced labor. The more individuals in a society practice self-discipline, the less discipline will be applied to them by their government. Conservative (talk) 10:36, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

On the other hand, the founding FATHERS were less apt to elect an illogical woman governor trying to impose a capricious nannygate.

The main problem with Michigan is it's governor is an illogical woman. Why can a solitary person go out on a lake in a kayak or canoe, but not a motorboat? This is what is infuriating many people in Michigan.

"Women are irrational, that's all there is to that! There heads are full of cotton, hay, and rags! They're nothing but exasperating, irritating, vacillating, calculating, agitating, Maddening and infuriating hags! Pickering, why can't a woman be more like a man?" - Henry Higgins, My FairLady[18]Conservative (talk) 10:55, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

"As for My people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. O My people! Those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths." - Isaiah 3:12Conservative (talk) 10:59, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

It was Maybe Ames who highlighted the confrontation, so you can't prove that by me. Israel was once ruled by the prophetess Deborah, so hey Conservative, maybe you should rein in your generalizations a little! I don't even want to talk about it. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 12:10, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Nursing home champion arrives

Maybe Ames also reports:

"I just called for an investigation of [New York Governor Cuomo's] failed nursing home policies in New York State. No other state should face what New York has been forced to endure." (May 1, 2020) —Former New York Governor George Pataki.

VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 13:05, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Amazing how this one little drug (which coincidentally doesn't make anyone any money) gets so much attention!

Gov. Ducey moved the goalpost so the drug couldn't cross it; it doesn't just have to work (it's the most used preventative according to a survey), it has to be peer-reviewed!

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons said "that's very convenient because IT ALREADY HAS BEEN by documentation written on the fly and published while the epidemic was proceeding!"

To enhance that convenience to readers and thinkers of all kinds, the group SUMMARIZED THE PROVEN BENEFITS of the drug:

91.6% patients improved clinically

1,900% difference in mortality of elderly (.5% vs 10%)

"... benefit both pre-exposure and post-exposure."

This is a setback, but we can hope the goalpost-movers can be up to the challenge—or we can just ignore the fact that the drug has already cleared the goalpost, whatever. The governor is very busy compiling his political contribution summaries from Big Pharma, so he might not get to it. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 10:32, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

The best hydroxychloroquine treatment uses a supplement to augment the treatment - namely zinc sulfate (see: Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment).

The medical establishment is into drugs and surgery. As far as the medical establishment, supplements are competition in terms of health care. That is why Zelenko's treatment will likely never gain widespread acceptance within the medical community. Sadly, it comes down to money and poor nutritional training in many medical schools.Conservative (talk) 14:16, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Don't despair, Conservative, The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a pretty big organization! And I also noticed the absence of ZnSO₄ in the peer review reports, as well as the anti-bacterial factor that Dr. Zelenko prescribed. I don't think this accounts for the absence, but be aware that Zinc is a suspected causative factor in Alzheimer's, a consideration for the high-risk category among the typically elderly patients. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 14:47, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Correction: Dr. Zelenko prescribed ionic Zinc, while the suspected Alzheimer-inducing version may be metallic Zinc. Can ionic Zinc leave metallic Zinc deposits? I don't have the slightest idea. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 14:59, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

I don't despair. I am just mildly irritated. If you compare health care to what it was in the past, it is far better. When is the last time your doctor pulled out the leeches?Conservative (talk) 15:16, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Free provinces replacing Canadian federal-government-appointed Chief Firearms Officers with their own. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 16:55, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

On the list of the 1200 banned armaments were two websites and one Facebook group, the best and brightest statesmen in the hallowed chambers at Ottawa believing them to be types of weapons. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 19:22, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

This is a gross violation of our fellow North Americans' and fellow English-speaker's rights to keep and bear arms. Just because there's no highlighted rule in their constitution declaring it, that doesn't mean the right doesn't exist!

It's especially important under the vindictive, ignorant and incompetent type of liberals that try to run the government in these times. It's like being governed by a slot machine. If three liberal majorities in three branches of government turn up, it's bye-bye constitution, or at least massive extortion to keep it from being severely impaired from protecting our republic. If this were even proposed legislation in the United States, there would be mass demonstrations or even [threats of specific legislative] retaliation. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 20:48, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Also May 1:

"In Ontario: $750 penalty for refusing to identify yourself to a police officer if accused of not 'social distancing' etc.

"Failure to comply with an emergency order could carry punishments of up to 1 yr imprisonment or a fine of up to $100,000 for an individual."

This aggravates Justin Trudeau's action as a subsequent denial, a mockery of the right to peacefully assemble, especially demanded at such an unprecedented, gross and arguably unconstitutional violation of citizens' rights to keep and bear arms by their government. Can Justin Trudeau just go slack and not notice this and hope nobody else does either? VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 21:16, 2 May 2020 (EDT) VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 01:46, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

Are you a utilitarian? Insist on risk-management not just supplementing policy but determining who gets rights? There is no evidence confiscation of guns reduces the crime rate, and it was shown not to do so especially in Australia, where confiscations occurred. VargasMilan (talk) Saturday, 21:38, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Even I have to admit, the semi-automatic weapon has caused somewhat of an abrupt escalation in the police's effort to adapt to new forms of firearms. The right of self-defense aside, the 1870s technology involved will take some time in getting used to. VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 00:01, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

More on Michigan confrontation

Concerning the Michigan lockdown confrontation highlighted by MaybeAmes as tyrannical government gone wild, she passed along a story by the Michigan District Herald website, which noted in part:

State Senator Dayna Polehanki tweeted a photo of some of the protesters, writing, “directly above me, men with rifles yelling at us. Some of my colleagues who own bullet proof vests are wearing them. I have never appreciated our Sergeants-at-Arms more than today.”

Thank you, Senator Polehanki; I've been wanting to address this for quite a while now, to you and your Canadian compatriots in thought, so please pay close attention while I say this slowly. Maybe if you spent more time

• familiarizing yourself with ordinary heterosexual men
• restraining yourself from relentlessly de facto participating in socialist conspiracies and
• not envying those more skilled or successful than you

you would neither feel half so threatened by normal, armed or otherwise Americans, nor would you continue to grow to assume that many others felt the same way.

Signed,

VargasMilan (talk) Sunday, 02:25, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

and every other conservative American man.