Talk:Quoting out of context

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Quote mining

I don't believe that quote mining and taking quotes out of context are the same thing. I think that quote mining is a pejorative term for looking for lots of quotes from your opponents to support your point of view rather than building an argument yourself. Philip J. Rayment 11:41, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Agreed. My first draft was hasty, sloppy, and inaccurate. :-( --Ed Poor 11:47, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Aren't first drafts supposed to be hasty, sloppy, and inaccurate. :-) Philip J. Rayment 11:54, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

'attempts to "use a person's words" against them'

Taking a quote out of context is not synonymous with attempting to use a person's words against them. You can do the latter without taking a quote out of context, and taking a quote out of context is usually (in my opinion) inadvertent (although possibly due to carelessness, ideologically blinkers, etc.), not something that you attempt to do. Philip J. Rayment 11:41, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

Agreed. My first draft was hasty, sloppy, and inaccurate. :-( --Ed Poor 11:47, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
Aren't first drafts supposed to be hasty, sloppy, and inaccurate. :-) Philip J. Rayment 11:54, 21 April 2007 (EDT)
I think quote mining is an example of taking quotations out of context, but I don't think we should use the phrase in this article, at least not in the lead, because it is not in general use outside of a narrow arena... and because that narrow arena is the locale for some fighting in this neighborhood. The phrase seems to have originated in the USENET group talk.origins, and is used almost exclusively by evolutionists as a name for what they say is a dishonest tactic widely used by creationists. Dpbsmith 11:56, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

I'm juggling several half-formed ideas in my mind here. The term discrediting attack comes to mind. "Reagan was a buffoon, Coulter is biased and ignorant, Republicans and conservatives are heartless racist pigs, etc."

Coulter wrote:

  • Cultlike in their behavior, vicious in their attacks on Republicans, and in almost complete control of mainstream national media, the left has been merciless in portraying

How many people here think that US conservatives are dumb, racist, power hungry, homophobic and downright scary?

I gotta go take a walk, but I trust you'll have this whole thing sewn up by the time I get back. :-) --Ed Poor 12:03, 21 April 2007 (EDT)

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