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:I think its because if you mix 2 processes, one random and one not random, the ending result is not random (like how puzzle pieces come scattered randomly inside a box, but a non-random human arranges them into an ordered picture, however in this case you need an intelligent entity that doesn't fit evolution). [[User:WilliamH|WilliamH]] 12:54, 8 April 2008 (EDT) | :I think its because if you mix 2 processes, one random and one not random, the ending result is not random (like how puzzle pieces come scattered randomly inside a box, but a non-random human arranges them into an ordered picture, however in this case you need an intelligent entity that doesn't fit evolution). [[User:WilliamH|WilliamH]] 12:54, 8 April 2008 (EDT) | ||
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| + | We need a strict definition. It's not something which is "said" to be anything. Either the process was guided, or it was not. It's a bright line distinction. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 14:08, 8 April 2008 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :Ed there are a large number of religious people who believe that there is no such thing as a process operating outside of God's control/influence. By writing the article the way that you have, you are saying that they are wrong. I believe the way it was written accounted for that without taking a position either way. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:27, 8 April 2008 (EDT) | ||
Latest revision as of 18:27, April 8, 2008
How are "unguided" and "random" different? Evolutionists often bristle at the description of evolution through natural selection as "random", but I have yet to understand what their objection is. I know that natural selection is considered an orderly process, but aren't the mutations supposed to occur at random? --Ed Poor Talk 12:44, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
- I think its because if you mix 2 processes, one random and one not random, the ending result is not random (like how puzzle pieces come scattered randomly inside a box, but a non-random human arranges them into an ordered picture, however in this case you need an intelligent entity that doesn't fit evolution). WilliamH 12:54, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
We need a strict definition. It's not something which is "said" to be anything. Either the process was guided, or it was not. It's a bright line distinction. --Ed Poor Talk 14:08, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
- Ed there are a large number of religious people who believe that there is no such thing as a process operating outside of God's control/influence. By writing the article the way that you have, you are saying that they are wrong. I believe the way it was written accounted for that without taking a position either way. Learn together 14:27, 8 April 2008 (EDT)