Talk:Volhynia massacre

The "Police" possibly needs some explanation. The "Police" were not existing institutions before the Nazi occupation of Eastern Europe; the "Police" was the name given to Nazi collaborators (the Soviet Union did not have police, which it regarded as a bourgeois concept - the defenders of private property. The USSR used "militia" for law enforcement. The Nazis re-introduced the idea of "police".) RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:08, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Feel free to elaborate in the article as you think best. To my admission, Ukrainian nationalist war crimes aren't among my subjects of expertise, at least not yet. (anyways, my contributions to content in Conservapedia on Ukrainian ultranationalist extremism will mostly focus on indisputable history than trying to sort through the current entangled mess of propaganda in the ongoing war) —LT ^{(Exodus 23:2)} Saturday, 13:17, December 17, 2022 (EST)

One reason the Volnyia massacre is not well known (among several other reasons) is because the primary targets and victims were Poles, and not just Jews and Gypsie's. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:40, December 17, 2022 (EST)

In the Volnyia massacre, the Germans did not lead the Ukrainian nationalists into these villages - the Ukrainians acted on their own. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:42, December 17, 2022 (EST)

I haven't added anything about stabbing babies through the chest with a bayonet on tables yet. It's a very difficult subject, one reason being the religious differences between Orthodox Christians and Roman Catholics, which is long standing difference between the two ethnic groups.

Then we also have motivations of CIA and KGB, each with their own reasons for not talking about Volnyia during the Cold War. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:46, December 17, 2022 (EST)

The selection of Gagarin as the first man in space may have been an effort on the Russian's part for reconciliation between Ukrainians and Poles, i.e. a political decision, but that subject has never been broached outside of the Russian language, AFAIK. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:49, December 17, 2022 (EST)

IOWs, the Russians (even in Czarist times) were all about diversity and inclusion. When the Russians sent the first woman in space in 1963, the American reaction was WTF? Americans never heard of the "women's equality" movement, and thought it was barbaric to expose women to risk and hardship. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:02, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Behind the Iron Curtain, the Russians had to figure out a way to get diverse groups - Ukrainians and Poles - to live together without acting on centuries' old hatred and killing each other. They focused on suppressing violent extremist groups, like Ukrainian nazis (and Polish nazis, Russian nazis, Baltic nazis, etc). The CIA has exploited the situation since the CIA's founding in 1947. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:11, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Side note: the KGB, like all corrupt bureaucratic institutions, when they had deported the last Russian nazi from Moscow to Siberia, had to figure out a way to justify its continued existence. So in the middle of the night they'd go paint swastikas on Jewish tombstones. Much of the US intelligence community activities today is taken right out of the KGB playbook. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:41, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Hitler, like the CIA, having grown up in the Austro-Hungarian Empire when Lvov was known as the German city of Lemberg, knew Eastern Europe was a seething cauldron of ancient hatreds, and with war and lawlessness unleashed, people would act on their own. Unfortunately, we are seeing the CIA doing it again in Serbia and the Balkans right now with another color revolution. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 14:29, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Wow, sounds like a lot of suppressed information. Now, I'm interested to hear that even Czarist Russia was diverse; weren't those monarchist regimes quite antisemitic? Tsarist pogroms were frequent during that time period. —LT ^{(Exodus 23:2)} Saturday, 15:14, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Well, yes. Solzhenitsyn goes deeply into these subjects. You need to look at the incorporation of Muslim Republics in both Czarist Russia and the USSR, and the standing relationship modern Russia has with former Muslim Soviet republics.

In the Russian Federation today, the Chechen Republic remains; now, if you lived in Chechnya today and appeared in divorce court, or were arrested for public intoxication or shop lifting, you'd find the local law resembles more traditional Islamic law (though not quite as harsh) than any Christian tradition. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:22, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Chechnya has a population smaller than my state of New Mexico. 4 Chechens went to Moscow and stiffed a cab driver. When they returned to Chechnya, it was a national scandal. They had disgraced the whole Chechen nation. YouTube probably deleted the video. It happened just maybe 3 or 4 years ago. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:37, December 17, 2022 (EST)

A quick example of Russian diversity and inclusion: Stalin was Georgian and Khrushchev was Ukrainian. Racial or ethnic background was never a barrier to advancement or promotion. In this sense, the Russian system, as well as Soviet, can be seen as a meritocracy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 21:36, December 18, 2022 (EST)

The "Banderites" section is copied from the OUN article

In this series of articles on Ukrainian extremism, there should be a sense of structure rather than having numerous pages containing the same verbatim blocks of text. I think all the specific details should be placed in articles about particular events, with the page on the broader topic being a portal containing a {{main|}} and introduction/summary directing the reader to the more specific article. —LT ^{(Exodus 23:2)} Saturday, 13:22, December 17, 2022 (EST)

A separate OUNb article needs to be created. Unfortunately, we're short of editors. So we have to make up the difference with Redirects until enough information is collected for a separate standalone article without creating just another stub. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 13:35, December 17, 2022 (EST)

Even with more editors, I don't think most of them, let alone some of them, would be interested in sorting through these gigantic article messes where the information is copied everywhere and where an effort to organize the whole series would be tediously time-consuming. —LT ^{(Exodus 23:2)} Saturday, 15:16, December 17, 2022 (EST)

That's been the pattern used. Get all the information on a Portal page, then spin it out in subpages (kinda working backwards from how you stated it). The latest is the Twitter article, which is now a Portal. The Dorsey era, and Twitter files need to be spun out in subpages. Although a separate "Twitter files" won't get nearly as many hits as the Portal, it presents a problem. So the infrmation gets copy pasted in both for the time being, until interest wanes.

The Joe Biden page is a Portal for two subpages: Biden administration and Biden foreign policy. In the first year, yes, they were mostly identical. Now, certain foreign policy subjects do not have to copy pasted into the Biden regime subpage. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:52, December 17, 2022 (EST)

The Biden page is an interesting case study; it is less of a bio page and more of a Biden administration page (we know Biden does not run his own Administration}. So when Biden is finally removed from office, the Biden page can be shortened to strictly a biographical page, and the crimes spelled out in detail spun off into the numerous subpages. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:59, December 17, 2022 (EST)