Talk:Translating Lord's Prayer

When translating the Bible it is important to capture the original author's meaning so you need to understand the original author's language and culture.

The Ancient Near East culture of the Jews at the time of Jesus was a tribal/clan culture.[1] So in this regard, it was very dissimilar to contemporary American culture which is very individualistic. So using a "A personal rendition of this phrase" is wrongheaded.

Globalism wasn't even a thing in the 2nd century. And widespread depression and addiction wasn't an issue either.

Given the above, I suspect the suggested translation in the article is a poor one.

I am sticking with "Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."Conservative (talk) 08:19, July 17, 2023 (EDT)

I looked at the Young's Literal translation which says: "Thy reign come: Thy will come to pass, as in heaven also on the earth." Yes, earth.

Kings reign and politicians in constitutional republics or democracies govern. Also, the other 3 literal translations of the Bible translate the word in question to "kingdom". Also, all 4 of the literal translations use the word "earth". Was Jesus a globalist? Globalism wasn't even a thing in the 2nd century as I noted above. Conservative (talk) 22:37, July 20, 2023 (EDT)

1780s. In Congress, John Adams states that if leaders of cricket clubs can be called presidents, there is no reason why the leader of a new nation can not be called the same.[2]

But God is no mere president. He is a king. See: Why Is God Called "King of Kings and Lord of Lords"?.

“In the sight of God, who gives life to everything, and of Christ Jesus, who while testifying before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, I charge you to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen” (1 Timothy 6:13-16). Conservative (talk) 22:49, July 20, 2023 (EDT)