Talk:Taiwan

Status of Taiwan as a nation and in relation to PRC

While Taiwan's status as a nation remains disputed, it surely satisfies the criteria sufficiently to be included in this category. I suspect most people here on Conservapedia regard it as a more legitimate state than the PRC.

I've placed it in [[Category:Asian Countries]] not because I hold strong opinions about its status, but purely because it seems sensible to include it here.

But I'd welcome an expanded discussion of Taiwan's status vis-a-vis the PRC within the page. --Jeremiah4-22 16:13, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Since "Taiwan's status as a nation remains disputed", I would assume it does not qualify for this category. If anything, the other article on the Republic of China should fall under this category, and not Taiwan. Scriabin 16:21, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

To state that the Japanese occupation of Taiwan was beneficial is erroneous. For the indigenous, non-Han, Taiwanese people, the Japanese were an enemy (and to some tribes, a food source), and the Japanese were responsible for massacring aboriginal people and banning many aspects of their traditional ways of life. It could be argued that the Japanese occupation was beneficial to the Han in terms of transport, modernisation, etc, however. On that note, Taiwanese aboriginal people are not mentioned at all in the article. Why? They were the only people there for the vast majority of history.

Given that neither the RoC government on Taiwan not the PRC government regard Taiwan as anything other than a province of China, surely it is mere propaganda to treat Taiwan as if it were a separate nation. Also, it is inaccurate to say that 'most' of the world recognised RoC rather than PRC until the US changed horses in 1971. The following is a list of non-communist states recognising the PRC, with dates: 1950: India, Indonesia, Sweden, Denmark, Burma, Switzerland, Finland. 1951: Pakistan. 1955: Afghanistan, Nepal. 1956: Egypt, Syria, Yemen. 1957: Sri Lanka. 1958: Cambodia, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria. 1959: Sudan, Guinea. 1960: Ghana, Mali, Somalia. 1961: Zaire, Laos. 1962: Uganda. 1963: Kenya, Burundi. 1964: Tunisia, France, Congo, Tanzania, Central African Republic, Benin. 1965: Mauritania. 1968: Yemen (Aden). 1970: Canada, Equatorial Guinea, Italy, Ethiopia, Chile. Leatherman 07:56, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

Please incorporate this material into the article, or perhaps into the PRC one. --Jeremiah4-22 15:20, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Move

I think this article should be moved to Republic of China. That's the official name of the country, right? GodlessLiberal 15:10, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

But the island is called Taiwan or possibly Formosa. --Jeremiah4-22 15:20, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

The article is (partially) about the nation. Should it be split up then, and one article be about the island and one about the country? GodlessLiberal 15:23, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

The Republic of China and the island of Taiwan are not technically the same. The ROC was around from 1911 until 1949 on mainland China, and Taiwan is still considered only one province of the Republic of China. It's the only province, but the ROC government hopes that perhaps all Chinese provinces could be put under the ROC flag.

As far as the Chinese (of all kinds) are concerned, the island and province are called Taiwan; 'Formosa' is a name seen as (at best) archaic, at worst imperialist. The RoC government controls the province of Taiwan and also two small areas of Fujian province: the offshore islands of Jinmen (Quemoy) and Matsu. ASs far as the RoC government is concerned, it is the legitimate government of all China (in which it includes Mongolia and Tannu-Tuva in Russia). As far as the PRC government is concerned, it is the legitimate government for all China (which includes Taiwan, but not Mongolia or Tuva). Alba 14:16, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Indeed - so, is it not sensible to create a separate article for the Republic of China, as well as an article solely about the island of Taiwan?

I agree. Alba 14:16, 20 May 2007 (EDT)

Category

Taiwan, no matter what the Peoples Republic of China, or revisionist thinkers say, is its own Republic. So recognized by most of the world. Please refrain from globalist POV's. --Sysop-TK _/MyTalk 17:46, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Much less than "most" of the world's nations recognize the ROC government. See "Two-China Policy". --Ed Poor ^Talk 17:47, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

• I apologize. I removed the category, and made the statement, based upon our conversation, wherein you agreed we shouldn't make Taiwan an adjunct of China, Ed. Perhaps I became confused? --Sysop-TK _/MyTalk 17:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

I suspect that one of the reasons is because it's not in the UN, and we can't let that dictate our labelling. Taiwan has its own athletes in the Olympics; I consider it to be independent enough. DanH 17:51, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

We might also want to make clear, although the US won't use the name, we do send them billions in military and economic aide. --Sysop-TK _/MyTalk 17:53, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

The US maintains an embassy, disguised as a trade mission. One reason major countries (including Taiwan itself) have not been forthright about recognizing Taiwanese sovereignty is that the mainland has threatened to invade the island if it makes any strong claims. --Ed Poor ^Talk 18:48, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

its official name is the republic of china, not taiwan you liar.Huangdi 19:01, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

name of island is taiwan, but name of the NATION is republic of china

it calls itself the preulbic of china. the current ruling party it ANTI taiwan independence. therefore it is republic of china. period.

or we can create a seperate article for the nation and the island.Huangdi 19:03, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

The Republic of China (ROC) is the name of the government; Taiwan is the name of the island. It's similar to the terminology of the British Isles, which are divided into "Ireland" (southern half of the Western island) and the United Kingdom (Northern Ireland, Scotland, England & Wales) on the remaining territory).

Please modify all references to Taiwan so that they refer to the island rather than the country. --Ed Poor ^Talk 18:11, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

American policy for decades has been to call it Taiwan, Calling it ROC will confuse our readers.RJJensen 18:14, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

That may be, buhttp://www.conservapedia.com/skins/common/images/button_media.pngt American policy is not always very smart. --Ed Poor ^Talk 18:18, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

it's what we got. :) What ROC doesn't have is China! RJJensen 18:26, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Let's stop confusing readers

The English-speaking world has been calling this entity "Taiwan" almost exclusively for a long time now. Proper copyediting procedure is to follow the Chicago Manual of Style, which recommends deferring to the CIA's World Factbook on the issue of "country names" (§8.43). As you can see here, the CIA is very particular about using "Taiwan" and only "Taiwan." This usage complies with the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979. Taiwan itself addressed this issue with a "name rectification" campaign in 2002-2007. I looked around when I changed planes in Taipei recently, and every sign says "Taiwan" now. "Republic of China" has been retained in the constitution and in a few other contexts only because of the fear that China might retaliate if the name change ever became official. PeterKa 22:08, 6 January 2014 (EST)

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to last version

I reject what the China's Global Times claims. The Taiwanese people in government are not more evil than the CCP. Reverting to PeterKa's version. Conservative (talk) 01:19, November 16, 2023 (EST)

The KMT happens to agree with the Global Times on this specific issue, as shown by one of the other sources that I cited in the edit you reverted. When you have the KMT and the CCP agreeing on something, that's important.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:48, November 16, 2023 (EST)

So it's a debate whether wokeness imposed by America, such as gay marriage, is worse than the CCP. Fine. That is not cause for User:Conservative to impose his woke agenda and defense of gay marriage by censorship of factual information. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 12:59, November 16, 2023 (EST)

Although imposing same sex marriage on the Taiwanese people right after they overwhelmingly rejected it in a referendum is certainly part of the equation, that's not why I called the DPP's policies "woke." The actual reason I called them "woke" is because those they, in general, are designed to "fundamentally transform" Taiwanese culture and permanently destroy all links between itself and its mainland counterpart. The DPP doesn't want Taiwan to be the "free China," it wants Taiwan to be a completely separate, non-Chinese nation. In other words, Taiwan is slowly transforming into the East Asian equivalent to Zelensky's Ukraine. Of course, this can only end badly...--Geopolitician (talk) 13:55, November 16, 2023 (EST)

That's a good analysis and explanation. The difference between Taiwan and Ukraine is, in Taiwan we support separatists (which are few in number) and in Ukraine we oppose the democratic right of self-determination of separatists.

Now there are people on the planet who think "conservativism" means burying your head in the sand, remaining stupid and ignorant of demographic changes that naturally occur, and that post-1945 borders should never change. If they had their way, we'd be living within the borders of the Third Reich or Roman Empire, if you try to follow their reasoning. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 15:07, November 16, 2023 (EST)

For example: Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev drew the 1991 borders of Ukraine without the democratic consent of the peoples resident there - yet these same neocon warmongers like User:Conservative pretend to be "anti-communist" and fight tooth and nail to uphold the "accomplishments" of communism. RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 15:13, November 16, 2023 (EST)