Talk:Ron DeSantis

Interesting drug importation plan -- for the record, this article says conservatives don't really like it, but I don't know if this means consistent conservatives or just the GOP establishment: [1] --1990'sguy (talk) 09:22, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

Added college education

The article should state this brilliant man went to Harvard and Yale. In general, I think college should be included, especially if it looks good.

Ted Cruz 2.0?

Is DeSantis Cruz 2.0? Hopefully you know what I mean by that.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:04, January 6, 2022 (EST)

Feud With Roger Stone

Although it happened a few months ago, I only just now became aware of DeSantis' alleged behind-closed-doors mocking of Roger Stone being a convicted felon. This is according to Roger Stone himself, by the way.

In light of this, should DeSantis' alleged remarks be construed as mocking victims of Deep State tyranny? Because if they should, then it's now obvious where DeSantis stands, and whatever tags about him that point to him as being anti-establishment or even a patriot should be removed.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:57, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Keep it up, Ron. You're getting closer and closer to a primary challenge with your cocky behavior. Trump is not gonna put up with this forever.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:59, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Look. Republicans are not Democrats. This kind of rumor, gossip, and garbage does not interest them in the least. It has virtually no bearing, whatsoever, on judgements at the primary or general election ballot box. When will you ever figure that out and learn it? RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 17:16, January 16, 2022 (EST)

All it does it take up space and waste time. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 17:17, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Well in this case it should have bearing on judgements at the ballot box. Because Roger Stone himself has corroborated it. So it's not a rumor.

We now have a governor who thinks he can play games like this just because his COVID policy is so popular among conservatives. If anybody is trying to divide the base and sow discord, it's him. Trump has been way too nice to DeSantis as of late, and it's time that he start playing hardball.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:25, January 16, 2022 (EST)

No it doesn't. In a Trump/DeSantis primary contest, Stone is a partisan coming down on the side of Trump. Secondly, in a rump/DeSantis primary contest, DeSantis would be running for the number 2 slot. Either way, it's all hypothetical. Republicans do not have their heads up their butts as Democrats do in analyzing situations like this. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 17:29, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Yes, Stone is a partisan for Trump. So what? The way I see it, DeSantis exposed his true colors when he made those remarks about Stone. He apparently thinks Deep State tyranny is funny as long as the target is somebody he doesn't like. This more than anything else establishes that he is not a sincere conservative. He's another Ted Cruz in the making.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:32, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Look, a week ago you had your underwear in a knot cause Ted Cruz supposedly was a closet pansie; 3 days later Cruz serves up the fact that Ray Epps and the FBI are domestic terrorists which everyone is talking about now. Even your fantasies have no context. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 23:02, January 16, 2022 (EST)

No, that was Vince Did 7-14 who was all up in arms about Cruz. I replied to him with a much less emotion-based analysis, although I'll admit I also voiced my distaste for Cruz during that reply.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:57, January 17, 2022 (EST)

Here is where you repeatedly err: you think conservatives and conservativism is a cult based on personalities and celebrity gossip. Sorry, it's not. And your comments not only expose yourself to suspicion as a subversive leftist infiltrator (like Ray Epps), they are insulting. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 23:09, January 16, 2022 (EST)

Actually, both liberalism and conservatism have become more and more cult-like in recent decades. But what do you expect when people become almost naturally inclined to worship celebrities in the age of mass media?--Geopolitician (talk) 18:57, January 17, 2022 (EST)

That being said, what's going on is beyond mere gossip. Because we have people who are very close to Trump (particularly Roger Stone) backing it up. Speaking of which, earlier today Stone posted this on his Telegram. He also made a now-deleted, even harsher version of that post on his Gab account.--Geopolitician (talk) 18:57, January 17, 2022 (EST)

Media Reports a Trump-DeSantis Feud with No Proof of a Conflict. Why do you keep falling for fake news? Don't you realize your knee jerk reaction to commie agitprop makes you look like a Ray Epps-type figure? RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 05:20, January 19, 2022 (EST)

How are claims coming from Roger Stone commie agitprop?--Geopolitician (talk) 22:44, January 19, 2022 (EST)

Well, this just got interesting. On the same day, Trump himself claims that he has a "very good" relationship with DeSantis[2], while his good friend Roger Stone posts this.

If this isn't an instance of good cop/bad cop between the two of them, then Stone has embarrassed himself with these stunts. And his credibility is also damaged, perhaps to the point where we should now question whether Ron DeSantis really did say those things about Stone behind closed doors. For this reason, I'm undoing my recent edits of the article. For now.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:04, January 20, 2022 (EST)

Asked and answered. Another thing you apparently fail to realize is DeSantis, Trump, and Stone are all residents of Florida. This is a local issue, and not national. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 19:41, January 20, 2022 (EST)

Oh, I know they all live in Florida alright. Just like me.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:52, January 20, 2022 (EST)

Hey, Sundance just did a recap and update on the Deep State. Sure, some of it may seem redundant if you've been following Sundance the past 2 years or so, but this one is worth reading. [3] RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!}`

The parts about no budget since 2009 are particularly important. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 20:12, January 20, 2022 (EST)

Now CTH is calling him a fraud

See these tweets.--Geopolitician (talk) 19:00, February 20, 2022 (EST)

A fraud? Strong language. Sundance uses no such language. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 20:25, February 20, 2022 (EST)

You seem to be under the impression Trumpism, the MAGA movement, or America First is some sort of cult. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 20:27, February 20, 2022 (EST)

To some extent, it is. Just like all political movements with a central figurehead, be it Clinton or Sanders or Biden, and yes, DeSantis. In fact, the cult following the DeSantis has been gathering is what made me suspicious of his motives in the first place.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:42, February 20, 2022 (EST)

Central figure? It's only a central figure cause you perceive it as such. I rarely see you being able to discuss policy or ideas without making conflicting and contradictory claims, even if it means demonizing leftist figures such as Zbigniew Bziezinski.

Your arguments and premises always appear leftist in nature. You begin by targeting an upcoming leader on the Right whom you consider to have followers and adherents, and then trash him. You toss in an old dried or decayed leftist like Hillary or Brzezinski for pretend balance. But you can't make a consistent or coherent argument for your thinking. This is the fundamental difference between leftists and rightists - leftist are seeking a messiah for personal salvation and salvation of the planet (cause they obviously reject Christ) and conservatives are more interested in ideas. Sure, your rhetoric seems intelligent and informed, but it always begins with demonization of persons and never with discussion of a policy issue or idea. I'm assuming this is a Clintonism (the politics of demonization) you picked up as a young impressionable person in the 1990s cause of what appeared to you as their apparent success, both in winning elections and attacking their opponents. This type are a dime a dozen now, and we're already on the second generation of them with Russia hoaxers like Lisa Page and Peter Strzok who felt it incumbent on themselves to remove a Republican president from office and decided to read historical fiction like All the President's Men to figure out how.

Look, I've seen all this leftist crap during Watergate, during Iran-Contra, in the 1990s, and now. It gets old and tiresome. You need to become more inventive in this field of operational political intelligence. And it begins by educating yourself, and focusing on, issues and ideas, not persons. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 01:14, February 21, 2022 (EST)

Your assumption that I was watching the Clinton administration play out in real time and fawning over it all is totally incorrect. I was born in 1995. When Clinton was running things (into the ground), I was watching Sesame Street and playing with Thomas the Tank Engine. No, I adopted what you call a "Clintonism" during the Obama years. And I didn't learn it from Democrats. I learned it from people commenting on Breitbart about how Graham, McCain, Rubio, etc. were RINO traitors for supporting the "Gang of Eight" amnesty bill.

From 1995 to 2006 I was apolitical. I didn't care who was President but assumed that Republicans were better than Democrats because my parents said so. From 2007 to 2012, I was a Bush-style neocon. From 2013 to 2016, I was a Cruz-style conservative. From 2017 to 2018, I was a Trump-style conservative with some neocon tendencies (some which you yourself witnessed during those years). And since 2019, I've been a right-wing libertarian populist. When I first registered to vote in 2013 I did so as a Republican, but I became an independent in mid-2020 because by then the GOP had convinced me beyond a reasonable doubt that they had not learned a thing from the so-called "mistakes" it made during the Bush years. I felt disenfranchised then, and I still feel that way now.

I am where I am today because I am tired of being constantly betrayed by career politicians who vote for every destructive policy imaginable, and then play the "left-right/Democrat-Republican" card to get votes, all the while bringing out the worst in all of us. And I am where I am today also because these betrayals have led me to go down rabbit holes most conservatives are too afraid to go down.--Geopolitician (talk) 17:26, February 21, 2022 (EST)

So you're a second generation Clinton troll, like AOC and Peter Strzok. IOWs, people who were born, grew up, or lived thru the Clinton era thought Democrat strategy and politics was normal and acceptable, whereas it was precisely the reason Nixon got dumped in 1974. Hillary learned it close up. People like Roger Stone and myself had to re-hab ourselves cause the laws changed, whereas Obama and Hillary went far beyond anything Nixon ever dreamed of doing to his political opponets.

My point is, your activities are amateurish. While I admire your tenacity, you got a lot to learn yet. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 07:01, February 22, 2022 (EST)

Look. If you object to my activities because you think it reminds you of Nixonian tactics, that's one thing. But stop calling me a Clinton troll when I've already established that I have not at any point associated with the left. Ideologically I'm closer to Nixon than to Clinton, even though I consider both to be tools of the Deep State.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:25, February 22, 2022 (EST)

For all your studies of the Grand Chessboard, do you have any comments on this short video? RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 07:38, February 22, 2022 (EST)

Yes. Neither Ukraine nor Taiwan are worth defending, and the only reason we're getting involved is because of the Deep State's agenda.--Geopolitician (talk) 12:25, February 22, 2022 (EST)

You need to think these things through before you fall back on the Clintonian technique of demonization. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:20, February 22, 2022 (EST)

I did think those things through. Neither Ukraine nor Taiwan share a land or maritime border with us, so it is not a core national interest for us to protect either country. Based on this principle, the only scenarios we should be truly willing to go to war with either China or Russia over are: (1) a war between Japan and either China or Russia; or (2) a war between China and Russia. Should the former scenario occur, I would back Japan against whichever country it's fighting. And should the latter scenario occur, I would back Russia against China.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:52, February 22, 2022 (EST)

(A) How much trade do we do with Taiwan? How much trade do we do with Ukraine? (B) We share a common border with Canada, our biggest trading partner. Should we go to war to force a regime change there and end human rights abuses? I don't see you demonizing one of the biggest totalitarian fascists in the hemisphere, nor defending the basic ideas of liberty. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 23:06, February 22, 2022 (EST)

So let me see if I understand you now correctly: you learned the Clinton technique of demonization of neocons in the Bush era, but you haven't fully reconciled Hillary's reemergence as a neocon, nor Obama's post-2008 conversion to neoconservativism yet. Is this an accurate summary? RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:26, February 22, 2022 (EST)

Nope. I see neoconservatism as a cabal that has basically ruled the US since the day George H.W. Bush was sworn in in 1989. And I see every president since and including the elder Bush as being a neocon or a neocon sympathizer. Even Trump has some sympathies.--Geopolitician (talk) 15:20, February 22, 2022 (EST)

That's exactly what I mean. You testify, "From 2007 to 2012, Bush-style neocon." Prior to that you were "apolitical". I distinctly recall the anti-neocon demonization campaign of 2006-2009 by the cabal of Democrats and media to pave the way for the anti-war candidate Obama. Then, after being publicly shamed for being a neocon, you converted to anti-neoconism while Obama was being converted to neoconservatism in the Libyan and Syrian wars.

Anti-neoconism made a big impression on you while you were cutting your teeth in politics, and you've managed to think that it is the end all to be all, while your heroes openly became neocons and Bush was shunted off to obscurity. Anti-neoconism was just a phase, an anti-Republican and anti-Bush spasm to elect Obama. And the DNC/media cabal couldn't hide that for very long.

So as of today, you stand alone. And while you attack DeSantis or Pompeo for being neocons, you are silent about taking on the three biggest neocons or any of their supporters - Baby Bush, Hillary, and Obama. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 18:20, February 22, 2022 (EST)

Once again, the Clinton and Obama factions weren't my heroes. I always opposed them, although my reasons for doing so have admittedly changed overtime. The only people who I used to actually support was the Bush faction, as I established earlier.

Also, why should I spend that much time talking about things the rest of us already know? We all know Bush, Hillary, and Obama are neocons, and that's been extensively documented on this site to the point where it's difficult for me to add anything new to those conversations. I'd rather talk about the things many of us don't know or are able to comprehend. That's why I focus on going after people like Bolton, Pompeo, and now DeSantis. I like going after the less "obvious" ones and I like introducing unique arguments.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:37, February 22, 2022 (EST)

There you go again, focused on personalities, not ideas. Why don't you ever speak of people with alternative ideas about Eurasia (assuming that's your real interest) rather than focused on demonization? RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 22:49, February 22, 2022 (EST)

P.S. And what neutral or Republican-leaning supporter would waste 2 cents or 2 minutes reading Zbigniew Brzezinski? RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 18:25, February 22, 2022 (EST)

You think I just saw the book one day and picked it up because "cool, Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote it?" No, I only learned of the book's existence when I saw a picture of the "Eurasian Balkans" map in a Google Images search, and decided to do more research on the concept.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:37, February 22, 2022 (EST)

You'd think once you saw 'Zbigniew Brzinzski' you'd drop it like a hot potato, or at least practice social distancing or wear a mask so as not to get infected. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 22:49, February 22, 2022 (EST)

ok, do your Mark Milley imitation, "I've read Mein Kampf and Das Capital"; well, I have too. But never tried to implement that crap in real life. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 22:59, February 22, 2022 (EST)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with reading any book if the purpose is to educate yourself on what the book is about or what the author stands for. In fact, if one is to gain a comprehensive study of politics, reading books containing what one personally deems to be objectionable content is necessary. Furthermore, it may even be necessary to go beyond just books and spend a lot of your time browsing the web for whatever political content one can find. For one just may expose himself to concepts and ideas that (a) most Americans have no idea about, and (b) the politicians and the media refuse to talk about.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:12, February 23, 2022 (EST)

Yah but the anti-neocon fad went out in 2011 with Obama's Arab Spring. You haven't seem to have gotten the memo yet, nor have a grasp of conservativism, isolationism, military or economic strategy, foreign policy and international relations. All you do is sling arrows at Republicans. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 00:28, February 23, 2022 (EST)

I’m well aware of that part regarding the Arab Spring. As for the rest of that response, see here.--Geopolitician (talk) 09:33, February 23, 2022 (EST)

Yah well Stranahan, God love him, has a few lose screws. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 14:32, February 23, 2022 (EST)

Or he's just saying what a growing number of people on the right (especially young people on the right) are thinking. And they probably will be more vocal about it as the world continues to head towards World War III.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:58, February 23, 2022 (EST)

True, young people generally are pretty stupid. I know, I was one myself. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 09:16, February 24, 2022 (EST)

Don't be so sure that they're just going through a phase. A lot of them seem pretty determined to ensure a future where the GOP is purged of politicians who are even remotely jingoistic. And unlike many older voters they won't be taking "but I support Trump" as an excuse.--Geopolitician (talk) 00:25, February 25, 2022 (EST)

Trump's fallible. He's got a limited shelf life. See, there you are back on personages again. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 05:34, February 25, 2022 (EST)

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Of course he is fallible. But that doesn’t mean the stealth neocons (and their deceived supporters) won’t invoke their support for him as a defense whenever they are called out. I’ve seen that defense be used before, including here on this site.--Geopolitician (talk) 10:31, February 25, 2022 (EST)

Necon?

Ron DiSantis is most conservative governor in United States, I dont think considering him as Neocon is fair --Alex Kosh (talk) 23:24, March 9, 2022 (EST)

Sundance's latest

Trump -vs- DeSantis, a Shiny Thing to Set Aside. Geo, this pretty refutes the anti-DeSantis crusade you've been on now for nearly a year. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 15:08, November 13, 2022 (EST)

I saw that article shortly before coming on here. I’ve already made it clear in the comments section that I believe Sundance is going against his prior instincts, and that doing so is a mistake on his part. I get that the Democrats would love to see a Trump-DeSantis feud, but if there are legitimate grievances to be aired concerning the latter then may they be aired. The base has a right to know.--Geopolitician (talk) 16:19, November 13, 2022 (EST)

So you're going with the shiny thing - not like I'm surprised. We'll know in two days, if Trump announces or delays.

My instincts are he'll announce - if anything to get the jump on DeSantis who can't really do anything before he's re-inaugurated. Only Trump does need to stay out of making a Georgia rally. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:48, November 13, 2022 (EST)

I personally believe Trump should wait until after the Georgia runoff is done, at the very earliest. But whether or not he does so is hardly relevant to me.

The bottom line is DeSantis is a snake in the grass. He's trying to fool people into believing he's a sincere MAGA populist even though there is much evidence to the contrary. Forget if he destroys the GOP, the party is (probably) on its last legs anyway thanks to years of McConnell/McCarthy-style leadership at the congressional level. What I'm worried about is DeSantis actually becoming President. I believe should that happen he will immediately take the mask off, and govern as the third term of Bush-Cheney. And, if World War III hasn't already started by then, he may be the guy who starts it.--Geopolitician (talk) 22:16, November 13, 2022 (EST)

I'm sure that Trump will announce his candidacy for president soon, probably on Tuesday, for a variety of reasons.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:52, November 13, 2022 (EST)

It makes sense. He's a counter-puncher, and he'll probably strike back at the "enemy of the people", the media that started this anti-DeSantis mess. "The enemy of the people", and election fraud, need to be highlighted. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:20, November 14, 2022 (EST)