Talk:Robert S. Mueller

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Mueller and Spitzer

Mueller has been our national political fixer for a long time, an expert at trial by leaks. He set New York Governor Elliot Spitzer up with a hooker sting back in 2008: "Eliot Spitzer ruined by leaks and FBI director has nothing to say." This case was obviously all about politics (as opposed to a sincere crackdown on prostitution.) When it started, Hillary was expected to win the 2008 election and then appoint Spitzer her attorney general, or perhaps to another top position. Spitzer had broken up prostitution rings himself when he was New York attorney general. So it's hard to work up much sympathy for him -- even if he was one of Mueller's victims. PeterKa (talk) 21:38, 22 December 2017 (EST)

So Mueller didn't approve of Spitzer being his boss, framed him up, and demonstrated to Hillary in true Hooverian fashion the power of the FBI director to influence decisions of the president. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 23:04, 22 December 2017 (EST)
Michael Mukasey was attorney general at the time. He's a frequent partner of Giuliani, who was a major Republican candidate for president. Various Wall Streeters with money to donate wanted to bring Spitzer down. PeterKa (talk) 06:30, 23 December 2017 (EST)
I note that Hoover first came to prominence by arresting reds for Attorney General Palmer during the Palmer Raids of 1920. When Hoover was named director in 1924, the bureau had 650 employees compared to 35,000 now. PeterKa (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2017 (EST)

Can Mueller be stopped?

I recommend this legal analysis by Andrew McCarthy: "Manafort’s Frivolous Civil Lawsuit against Mueller and the Justice Department." If Manafort doesn't think Mueller has jurisdiction, he should file a motion to dismiss. There is no basis for the civil suit that he recently filed. His lawyers are giving him bad advice. The only way a dismissal might be granted is if Session wrote an affidavit supporting it. We've all assumed that the Rosenstein and Mueller have Sessions' backing for what they are doing. When Sessions recused himself, he explained that the recusal covered only "campaign issues." So he could conceivably claim that the charges against Manafort aren't a campaign issue and thus not covered. After steering clear of this issue for so long, why would he get involved now? According to this theory, Sessions is "playing possum" while the DOJ's inspector general completes a report on corruption in the department.
If Sessions won't get involved, Trump can create a new position in the DOJ. This hypothetical deputy would outrank Rosenstein, but not Sessions. We could call him the "first deputy attorney general." Whoever was appointed to this position could then demand that Mueller focus his attention strictly on Russia's role in the 2016 election, as his mandate specifies. If our first deputy outranked Rosenstein, he'd be entitled to reinterpret, or ever rewrite, Mueller's mandate, which was written by Rosenstein. PeterKa (talk) 06:11, 5 January 2018 (EST)


Here is a new article on Mueller's handling of the anthrax case: "Robert Mueller Has Been Botching Investigations Since The Anthrax Attacks." Although the article doesn't acknowledge that Bruce Ivins was guilty, the National Research Council later identified the anthrax used in the mailings as coming from his lab. As this article shows, Mueller's priority from the beginning of the investigation was to show that the anthrax mailings had nothing to do with Islamic terrorism. It makes you wonder if there actually was a connection.
Mueller's decision to hound Ivins into committing suicide rather than prosecuting him means that we will never know if Ivins had confederates. Among other things, Ivins was accused of having an interest in some sorority. The mail box Ivins used in Princeton was near a storage closet the group sometimes used, but this is probably just coincidence. It is likely that the sorority issue was brought up just to embarrass Ivins. Either way, Mueller has a history of avoiding court and smearing his targets with anonymous leaks. PeterKa (talk) 01:33, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Given time, I could produce a link that says Strzok began in the FBI in 1997 as a biochemical & anthrax specialist. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 02:50, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
During the investigation, media reports often claimed that the Ames strain of anthrax was a common one. This misunderstanding was based on an old mislabeling which indicated that the Army's lab got the strain from USDA in Ames, Iowa. Ivins believed that the Ames strain was one that the USDA sent to many labs and was therefore not traceable to him. The investigation revealed that Ivins was one of only a few dozen researchers in the world who had access to the Ames strain.[1] Hatfill did not have access to laboratory anthrax, let alone the Ames strain. That makes Mueller's focus on Hatfill even harder to justify. PeterKa (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
Found it. "67.In or around July 1997, Croddy was extended an invitation to be interviewed for a position as an Intelligence Specialist. His first contact was with Special Agent Kathy Muller. He also spoke with members of the FBI unit dealing with chemical and biological terrorism incidents, including Pete Strzok, an Intelligence Research Specialist, his superior, Robert Shapiro, and additional analysts. Generally, the response was positive, and as far as Croddy could tell they were receptive to his submitting a formal application." RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:28, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Raking threw Mueller's past

Given Mueller's involvement in the Elliot Spitzer episode and his supposed status as a Republican, the enthusiastic reception his appointment got struck me as odd: "Congressman Louie Gohmert Just Absolutely Wrecked Robert Mueller With Epic 48-Page Investigative Blowout." This report emphasizes Mueller's involvement in the Whitey Bulger affair while he was Assistant AG. He might have a good explanation for any one of there episodes. Bulger, Spitzer, anthrax, pro-Islamic training of agents...Mueller has been involved in one train wreak after another. No one demands an explanation of any kind. He just keeps getting promoted. PeterKa (talk) 08:13, 26 April 2018 (EDT)

The Civil Service has many career Comey & Mueller types. As a Republican in the Civil Service, one is viewed as an individualist, not beholden to a corrupt machine, and fair minded - the exact opposite of how Democrat leadership and the rank and file in government service think of themselves. Just as a RINO running for elected office, posing as a Republican in the civil service and retaining a degree of independence can be the fast track to promotions in a corrupt machine that is aware of its own vulnerabilities. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 13:57, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
In 2001, when the GOP Congress & President created the Department of Homeland Security, they knew full well it would be staffed 98% with communist Democrats, the revolutionary vanguard. This was the biggest mistake of a generation, imagining that Democrats would become fair minded and view someone other than Republicans as the nation's enemies. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 14:06, 26 April 2018 (EDT)