Talk:Logic anarchy
Huh?
The sentence "In mathematics, logic anarchy occurs when there is a proof by contradiction." is puzzling and alarming. Proofs by contradiction occur in mathematics all the time. (Example just off the top of my head: infinitude of primes.) But "logic anarchy" conjures up in my mind the image of false theorems running wild in the streets, shooting at each other from behind barrels, as in old western movies. OK, I have an over-active imagination. But seriously, "anarchy" connotes extreme disorder. Mathematical proof by contradiction is nothing like that. I know you just made up this phrase now, but could you either tone it down a bit, or at least not imply that whatever metaphor you are suggesting applies to mathematical proofs? Mathematics, and the orderliness thereof, are very important to me.
SamHB (talk) 00:36, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- On the contrary, "Everything follows from a contradiction". VargasMilan (talk) 12:37, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- It's called the principle of explosion. It's a tenet of classical logic, so surely it must apply to the logical process employed in mathematical proofs. VargasMilan (talk) 16:58, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- Right. It's been a mainstay of mathematics for a couple of thousand years. I'm glad you seem to recognize that. But it's nowhere near as insightful, obscure, or esoteric as you seem to indicate. It doesn't really need another name: "principle of explosion", though that name appears to already exist. SamHB (talk) 00:23, 4 December 2015 (EST)
Proof by contradiction does work ... to prove the falsehood of a proposition. Why does proof by contradiction work? Because logic anarchy is rejected, which is what results from a falsehood, like atheism. As pointed out above, anything can be proven once a falsehood is accepted.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:06, 3 December 2015 (EST)
Move to Essay
I propose to move this to the essay "namespace":
- The term "Logic anarchy" seems to be a new invention by Andrew Schlafly. It is his insight.
- No "logic anarchy" occurs by the proof of contradiction: as the "logical system" is the frame in which such a proof works - there is no "collapse"!
--AugustO (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- It sounds to me like a new conservative word for an up-to-now obscure idea. I would add it to the New Conservative Words (or terms) page not remove it as one the terms in the mainspace of the encyclopedia. VargasMilan (talk) 17:41, 3 December 2015 (EST)
- It doesn't need yet another made-up name coined by Conservapedia. If you make up words or phrases for things that already have names and are clearly understood, and claim that they are new "conservative words", you are not adding any insights. And you are not helping people to take the "conservative words" page seriously if you just stuff in new made-up phrases for things that are already well known. SamHB (talk) 00:23, 4 December 2015 (EST)
- the idea seems to be still obscure :-)
- Essay:Best New Conservative Words enlists words which are generally recognized.
- personally, I think it is misleading to introduce new words via an encyclopedic article - it generates the impression that such terms are already widely in use.
- --AugustO (talk) 18:07, 3 December 2015 (EST)
As far as the idea termed "logic anarchy" goes, the presentation of it seems to render the two of you sufferers of it sooner than scholars. VargasMilan (talk) 15:11, 5 December 2015 (EST)