Talk:Irreligious Australia and loneliness

Yea! I won! How petty you are, Cons! AlanE (talk) 23:19, 5 March 2016 (EST)

I bet my wife you would react in this puerile way. I won! (Actually I didn't because she thought you would react like this too. AlanE (talk) 23:19, 5 March 2016 (EST)

AlanE, the facts are on my side. That is why your "rebuttal" did not dispute the facts of the matter. Try as you may, you will not gain the moral high ground as far as this issue. Conservative (talk) 23:31, 5 March 2016 (EST)

Cons, when or kids were young (7 to 13 y.o.) we took them to church - each week a different church - the churches of friends of ours - Anglican, Baptist, Calvinist, Uniting Church and so on. They were all well attended and their congregations not only included mates of our children but our own friends.

Whilst not believers ourselves, we considered that our kids should have the opportunity to see for themselves "what it was all about". Do you understand what we were at Cons?

Toby Meredith, at home, were already surrounded by the paraphernalia of

Christianity....carols at Christmas. Their father's love of Handel and Bach and the music of Christian liturgy and belief from Hildegard to Arvo Part. Their mother's insistence on an Easter and Christmas domestic ritual that is possitively Dickensian.

As far as I know, Cons, our friends' Sunday services are still well attended. Our kids have gone their own ways but Susan and I are still on hugging terms with the parents.

We do not live in a "Godless" society, Cons.

AlanE (talk) 02:46, 6 March 2016 (EST)

At the present time, it appears as if the nonreligious have the upper hand in terms of setting the agenda in Australia (Christian bakers fined/penalized for not providing cakes for homosexual "weddings", etc.). And only about 50% of Australians pray.

Next, I updated the material as far as Godly Australia and loneliness. The loneliness problem is far worse than I thought in Australia. If Australia was a godly country, Australians would be very commonly indwelt by the Holy Spirit (also referred to as "the Comforter") and have brothers and sisters in Christ who cared about them. Yet, the fact remains that Australia had a very significant loneliness problem. And this is a significant problem that other atheistic/godless countries also have.

In the short term, the loneliness problem in Australia will likely get worse due to its aging nonreligious population (the nonreligious as a population have a sub-replacement level of births). In many Western nonreligious countries, the children do not care about their elderly parents who wind up suffering loneliness in their homes or nursing homes. Contrastly, in many religious societies there are strong extended families and the elderly have companionship. In 2005, there were four times as many non-Western World Christians as there were Western World Christians (And they often live in the developing world where there are strong extended family relationships. see: Global Christianity).

As far as the future of Christianity in Australia, while liberal Christianity churches are bleeding members, the future of Bible believing Christianity in Australia is uncertain at the present time, but I am hopeful (see: The Future of Evangelicalism in Australia).

But historically the secular left/nonreligious dominance in societies has shown itself to be transitory. We can already see various processes of desecularization happening in Australia. For example, Australia's ABC new service reports: "Mr Carr said Australia's population growth, due to record net overseas migration, was of significant concern....Our rate of population growth is higher than that of Indonesia, which has got developing-world status."[1] My guess is that many of these people are religious immigrants who have higher birth rates than Australian nonreligious people. I am not sure of the makeup of Austtralia's current immigrants, but it does appear as if Buddhism was the fastest growing religion in Australia ("According to the Australian census in 2006, Buddhism is the largest non-Christian religion in Australia, with 418,000 adherents, or 2.1% of the total population. It was also the fastest growing religion in terms of percentage, having increased its number of adherents by 109.6% since 1996." - Google supplied info). And Buddhism is often non-theistic (But Buddhists are often pretty peaceful and not rabid militant atheist). But at the same time, Christianity is growing very fast in China and many immigrants to Australia are from China.[2] And many of the immigrants to Australia are from atheistic Vietnam[3] and the history of Christianity in communist China suggest that Christianity may eventually see rapid growth in communist controlled Vietnam despite persecution.[4]

Also, although nonreligious populations have a sub-replacement level of births and often engage in large scale immigration (which Australia is doing), Australia is better able to control the spigot of illegal immigration due to its geography. It does not need a Donald Trump to build a wall. :)

And global desecularization is occurring too (see: Global atheism) which will affect Australia. Professor Eric Kaufmann told a secular audience in Australia: "The trends that are happening worldwide inevitably in an age of globalization are going to affect us."[5] A nonreligious audience member very anxiously asked Kaufmann if the teaching of evolution to children would be eventually disrupted in Australia due to the desecularization process happening in Australia in the 21st century. Kaufmann gave no comforting words to the woman. And without the ideological supply line of children being indoctrinated into evolutionism (see: Evolutionary indoctrination), atheism/agnosticism/honreligion will wane in Australia. "The history of war proves that nine out of ten times an army has been destroyed because its supply lines have been cut off...” -- General Douglas MacArthur. The Battle of the Bulge was lost by the rabidly evolutionist "German master race" due to its army's gasoline supply line being cut off by the creationist General Eisenhower's forces. :) General Eisenhower was a staunch creationist and Adolf Hitler was a rabid evolutionist!

Now there are Bible belts in Australia and I have a Christian friend in Australia. Yet realistically, the nonreligious are dominant in Australia at the present time. But the pendulum could swing sometime in 21st century should Jesus tarry. Conservative (talk) 10:20, 6 March 2016 (EST)

I'll say it again mate...OZ is not "godless". Secular? Yes - I have no problem with that. But pure logic should tell you that if 20 or 30 percent of the population believe in a God then "godless" is not the term to use. It's like reporting that only 20% of us watched a particular TV programme by saying "none" of us did. Or "no one" likes opera. Or we don't watch Rugby Union. Or Tasmania doesn't exist. AlanE (talk) 22:32, 6 March 2016 (EST)

Definition of godless: "not recognizing or obeying God.".[6]. You can believe there is a God and still be godless. "Many are called, but few are chosen" - Matthew 22:14. "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it." - Matthew 7:13-14 Conservative (talk) 22:41, 6 March 2016 (EST)

Cons. I have read your sprays over the years, sometimes with amusement, often in anger; especially when you attacked my wife, criticising her morals and comparing her to a dripping faucet. Remember? Your mockery of my ruminations concerning the war dead last year also comes to mind. The secular do not have a monopoly on godlessness. Consider yourself, Cons. AlanE (talk) 23:07, 6 March 2016 (EST)

Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

The Bible is right and the historical record confirms this matter. See: Atheist population and immorality.

For example, more people were killed under atheistic communism than by another other type of ideology. See: Atheism and Mass Murder. A midpoint estimate is about 110,000,000 people needlessly died.

In addition, to paper over the causes of WWI because it happens to offends some people due to

their errant and absurd ideology (namely Darwinism) would be a dishonorable thing to do. Conservative (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2016 ))

So. I was offended because of my "errant and absurd ideology (namely Darwinism)" was I Cons? ::No. I was offended because of your insistence in slapping me around the head with your ideology while I am grieving the fallen. In some quarters your actions would be called "sociopathic".

AlanE (talk) 01:34, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Liberals get offended at the drop of the hat. Liberals and Muslims are the most easily offended people on the planet. If you are not ceaselessly offended, you are not a liberal. I am definitely not going to lose sleep over this matter. Conservative (talk) 01:48, 7 March 2016 (EST)

Why are you not married Cons? You must be very lonely some nights. Sitting at the computer going on and on and on and on, repeating yourself again and again and again. I'm off now. Going in with the family. AlanE (talk) 02:43, 7 March 2016 (EST)

I have not told you my current marital/romantic status. And you have never rebutted any or my material. Nor have you ever provided a defense of your worldview.

Unable to win on substance, you resort to a petty attack. Conservative (talk) 03:37, 7 March 2016 (EST)