Talk:Hybrid electric vehicle

Hello,

I will be removing some of the uncited info on this page, as well as some of the common misconceptions about hybrid cars

Under the cons you list that the cars are heavier, but fail to justify why that is a con.

You claim they are underpowered and slow, which is not true considering cars like the Tesla

You also overstate the risk of electrocution, and fail to cite any reference for your claims of electromagnetic radiation, something I have never heard before.

Cite some sources if you want to state anything beyond the commonly known facts please. --WayneJ 18:51, 19 August 2011 (EDT) Why were my edits reverted? As it stands, this is a poor article as there are no citations to back up the very debatable "facts" contained in it.

As a disclaimer, yes I own a hybrid car, and I think it's great! It's a shame that they get a bad rap with us conservatives because they help me live more independently, which I believe is a noble goal we should all strive for. A strong man is one who can stand on his own 2 feet if necessary. --WayneJ 18:51, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

Everything I wrote is factual. I really don't want to be rude Wayne, but I get the sense that you don't know that much about cars. I don't say that lightly but because almost everything you wrote is wrong.

• 1. All things being equal, heavier is always worse for cars. Heavier means increased tire wear, worse handling, worse efficiency, more dangerous to other road users etc. etc. This is a universally accepted fact in auto engineering. --CraigF 22:38, 19 August 2011 (EDT)
• 2. Hybrids are almost always slower and more underpowered than their conventional counterparts. The only hybrid which wasn't underpowered was the Honda Accord V6 Hybrid which was the top of the line Accord. It was a huge disaster because it didn't get very good mileage, it cost much more than any other Accord. Honda could hardly sell them.
• 3. The Tesla isn't even a hybrid (it is all electric). This really makes me question your judgement.
• 4. Hybrids use very high voltage which is dangerous, please don't try and censor the truth here. Read this [1].
• 5. Hybrids put out cancer causing radiation, read this [2]. Most people don't know about this probably because it is censored by the media.

Hybrids don't help you live independently, they don't save money in the long run or the short run for that matter. They cost more to buy, cost more to maintain and only get slightly better mileage than regular efficient cars. There is tons of propaganda promoting hybrids so I'm not that surprised that you think they are better, but please don't try to censor the truth because you don't know about it. Again I don't mean to be rude, but I don't want to have to argue about facts that would be obvious to anyone who knows about cars. --CraigF 22:38, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

You do bring up some valid points, but you should still put citations in the article. I do believe that the high voltage in newer models have battery kill switches, which reduce the chance of electrocution, and ialso can't find credible documentation that anyone has ever been harmed by the electrical systems The lighter is better argument still needs to be backed up. After all isn't a car that is too light also dangerous? And should I also assume you are against trucks and suv's as well? Your radiation blurb also needs correction, as the link bEtween cancer and radiation has yet to be conclusively proven, as is made clear in the article you cited. My main point is that the article is poorly written, and not up to the standards this site believes in. As for my car giving me a sense of independence, it's all based on needing less gas, which has led to fewer fill ups for me. I'm not looking at it as a money issue, because that doesn't matter to me. For me it's the convenience of being able to go further on a single tank of gas (1 tank gets me to my country home and back, where I used to have to fill up twice for the same trip)

It really is a waste of time to argue about these pros and con with someone who knows so little about the topic. The fact that you ask for a citation that lighter is better is really telling. It is almost like asking for a citation for the fact that more power makes cars accelerate quicker. It is so basic a fact it might actually be hard to find a citation for it. It is taken as a given in just about any auto engineering text that I've read. In answer to your silly question "And should I also assume you are against trucks and suv's as well?" obviously not. I'm not against hybrids just because they are heavier, extra weight isn't always a bad thing, it is only a bad thing when the cons of the extra weight outweigh the pros it provides. Trucks and SUVs weigh more, but they serve a purpose (usually carrying stuff around). The idea that you bought you hybrid because you have to fill it up less (and I don't mean to be rude) is laughable. You basically paid thousands of dollars, sacrificed performance and added an unreliable, complex and potentially dangerous system to your car when all you really wanted was a car with a bigger gas tank. I don't really care if you don't like my writing style, I have been complimented by a number of admins for my work in the short time I have been here. You are obviously biased towards hybrids because you own one. --CraigF 12:34, 20 August 2011 (EDT)