Talk:Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act

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Obamagate

We are already seeing some of the disinformation as the Trump adminisration moves to take control of the NSA & US intelligence gathering apparatus, the IC (Intelligence Community). Getting rid of Flynn, a prodigal child of the IC, was a first step.

FISA authority taps persons, not devices and locations. When Trump and Republicans refer to 'Trump Tower' being tapped, this is a bow to the IC's cover that legal wiretaps are put on locations and devices, not targeted individuals irrespective of their location or which device the surveillance is collected from. RobSCIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win? 12:56, 10 March 2017 (EST)

The PATRIOT Act had roving wiretap provisions. If a FISA warrant issued for (say Flynn) it would cover him whether he was at Trump Tower, on Capitol Hill, or his own residence. JDano (talk) 13:08, 10 March 2017 (EST)
Exactly. If Flynn asked you to borrow your cell phone for a minute to make a call, your cell phone was legally wiretapped (which Snowden, Ellsberg, and Sanders refer to as 4th Amendment violations - the right to be secure in your person and effects). RobSCIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win? 13:10, 10 March 2017 (EST)

"Overseas"

I love this provision of Section 702, "overseas". Did you know that across the Rio Grande is "overseas"? I mean, how simplistic do the authors of our nation's laws, and the agencies given authority under them, think the American people are? We are decades beyond the point of need for serious, serious reform.

And a reform movement, or Congressional oversight is nearly impossible, being the NSA has the complete records of electronic communications of every congressman, judge, or journalist looking into the matter, ready to discredit or blackmail investigators and critics. It is like living in Nazi Germany, as Trump said. RobSCIA v Trump updated score:CIA 3, Trump 2 11:40, 26 March 2017 (EDT)

Background context

While FISA is usually referred to as a "post-Watergate reform", it really was a post-Hoover reform. Hoover served 7 presidents, and was notorious for illegal spying and blackmail. All 7 presidents feared firing Hoover, FDR & JFK for example, Hoover had evidence of Franklin, Eleanor, Jack and Bobby Kennedy's personal affairs. Bobby Kennedy was appointed AG to try to neutralize Hoover. When Congress created the FISA court to give Judicial oversight of the Executive branch, it was thought an FBI director couldn't blackmail a president anymore. This is what the Trump-Russia scandal & Deep state coup amount to, FBI Dir. Comey attempting to blackmail a president again as Hoover was famous for. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 13:39, 4 February 2018 (EST)

That's a fascinating analysis!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:56, 4 February 2018 (EST)

Structural overhaul

IMO, this page needs a structural overhaul. It should be divided into three sections: (1) basic outline of the law; (2) criticisms, reform efforts, and proposals; (3) Obama abuses.

Right now, elements outlining recent events are mixed into the Intro, which makes it look and sound like a partisan attack piece. While Obama's abuses are undeniable and outrageous, the basic structure of the page should be educational about what the law is, and efforts to reform it. A separate Obama abuse section will make it clear why reform is necessary, and if not, why the law should be scrapped. Comments? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 11:22, 19 September 2018 (EDT)