Talk:Ethel Rosenberg

The case against Ethel Rosenberg was total propaganda scaremongering

Greenglass in later years admitted to fabricated lies against Ethel Rosenberg. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 12:33, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Which Greenglass? RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 17:50, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Ethel's brother David Greenglass. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:00, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Now from the law enforcement perspective, this is how they operate. The FBI took both couples into custody, threatening each individual to send their spouse to the electric chair if they didn't cooperate and name other people outside their group. The Greenglass's cooperated and ratted out the Rosenbergs (and others, namely the courier between New Mexico and New York), but the Rosenbergs refused to cooperate. Ethel's refusal to cooperate (maybe she didn't know anything?) convinced J.Edgar and prosecutors of her guilt, even at the threat of orphaning her children. So the whole mess was turned into a massive propaganda psyop to exonerate the FBI for failure to detect spies in wartime, satisfy the public's bloodlust for Americans dying in Korea, and scapegoat progressive New Deal liberals for the Soviet theft of atomic secrets and setting off the nuclear weapons arms race.

Communists were painted as so dedicated, insane, and dangerous, they were willing to go to the electric chair and orphan their own children in an effort to overthrow the capitalist bourgeois regime of the United States. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 20:12, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Now compare what the FBI did to the Greenglass's and Rosenbergs to what the Comey FBI did to Michael Flynn to get him to plead guilty to trumped-up charges. After bankrupting Flynn and forcing him to sell his home to pay legal expenses, they started going after his son who was newly married with an infant child. Same 'ol same 'ol. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 20:28, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Wow, so the Rosenbergs are just like Michael T. Flynn—both are basically Communists, the former Marxist Soviet Bolshevists and the latter an Orange Bolshevist. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 20:30, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

I'm not talking about ideology. I'm talking about FBI methods. Sheesh, get focused here, will ya? RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 20:51, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

To my admission, I troll around these days probably more than I should because I need the humor. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 20:51, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

The case wasn't so much "fabricated" as it was "exaggerated". Lona Cohen is the one who did what Julius (and Ethel) were accused of. J. Edgar and the boys needed somebody to frame up, the Rosenbergs made it an easy, convenient case. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 17:55, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Hold up, so the Rosenbergs were innocent after all? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:00, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

The Rosenbergs were communist traitors and spies who gave up the proximity fuse to the KGB how to detonate the atomic bomb, not the secrets of nuclear fusion how to split the atom, as commonly believed at the time.

See Interview with Dr. Svetlana Chervonnaya (Chervonnaya incidentally is the daughter of Andrey Vyshinsky). RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 18:05, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Oh well, considering the reactionary, fascistic record of the Knights of Malta–controlled U.S. intelligence reactionaries, I can't say I have any sympathy for this pitifully despotic government. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:19, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

With all that is known now, this case is well worth looking at for several, vital reasons. First off, the mass hysteria at the time (psyops). Secondly, how government law enforcement operates, particularly when it's politically driven (contrast the Assange case). Thirdly, and for me most importantly, understanding technological and weapons development in an international relations context (for example, why the covid bioweapon was a joint project of the US & China). I could go on and on, but would probably bore most readers to death. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 18:32, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

[EC] Or to summarize more bluntly, it's an Anglo-Jesuit operation. The Knights of Malta control the reactionary, "right-wing"/"anti-Communist" FBI and CIA, and various Jesuit/Grand Orient Masonic forces control international Communism. The purpose is to pit right-wing fascistic, Papal-Caesarist reactionism against (supposedly atheistic) Communism to create a "synthesis" restoring the theistic, Nazarene Communism of the Dark Ages. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:37, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

"Knights of Malta", "Anglo-Jesuit", and "Papal-Caesarist" does not appear in any of the primary source documents. Those terms were added later by other researchers and commentators. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 18:46, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

The OSS/CIA was established by "Wild Bill" Donovan, a Knights of Malta stooge. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:47, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Well, I'm only concerned with primary source material. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 19:15, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

That's not going to give you the full picture when the primary sources are fascists. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 19:36, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

For our historiographical purposes, primary sources are validated written documents. Not secondary and tertiary sources put together later by somebody else after the fact. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 19:53, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Ah yes, Mein Kampf is clearly of greater factual reliability than Samuel Igra's Germany's National Vice (1945). —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 20:16, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Those both are what we call valid primary source historical documents. It means these are the actual words of the original source.

In researching primary sources on the homosexuality in the Nazi party, one must remember the scripture: Eph 5:12 "For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret," meaning most reputable authors and publishers in the 1920s and 1930s were Christian, trying to be obedient to the scripture. Unfortunately, their faith is used against them today by propagandists who try to paint homosexuals as victims. Igra, being Jewish, increases his credibility cause he could openly talk about things most Christian writers felt themselves commanded not to. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 20:48, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Wow, it was common knowledge to that great of an extent in that 1920s-era folks understood that the Nazis were a horde of homosexual degenerates? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 20:50, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

Exactly right. It says more about technological improvements in the past 100 years with blogging, etc, and how the reputable publishing business of books and newspapers were run back then. Reputable publisher's felt they were publishing for a Christian readership, so they withheld "those things which are done by them in secret." Nowadays they upload to Youtube from Senate chambers. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 20:56, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

That last sentence gave me a decent laugh. :) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 21:20, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

hehe Wikipedia now says this, "Chervonnaya's father was an investigator in the Procurator General's Office in Moscow, part of the People's Commissariat for Justice headed by Andrei Vyshinsky.[1] He worked non-political cases including economic crimes, gang crimes, and homicide cases.[1] By the time Svetlana started school, he had left the Procurator's office and became a criminal defense attorney." [1]

I had email correspondence with her some years back on the Karl Group, and she opened my eyes on a controversial aspect. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 18:41, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

To my admission, I don't understand those extensive details and unfortunately don't have any more time in this world to research all that with everything I already got on my plate for the near future. I am absolutely certain the Soviet Union was a puppet regime installed by the Anglo-Jesuits, Grand Orient Masons, and Wall Street financiers, though at the same time many rank-and-file Russians were sincere, patriotic citadels of anti-Fascist resistance, and official Soviet narratives have been far more honest than the Western reactionary propaganda apparatus. The Soviets were right that i.e a) the Nazis were homosexual degenerates, b) the Polish reactionaries were Nazi collaborators, and c) the- well, maybe I'd rather not continue this topic for the time being. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Sunday, 18:47, July 7, 2024 (EDT)

You might be on to something. Key word "installed". Afterward things can take on a life of their own.

It was the Kaiser's people who put Lenin on the sealed train to Russia.

Allen Dulles used to tell a story how, when he was working for the State Dept in Zurich in 1917, he had a date with a girl late one afternoon, but his secretary told him he had an unannounced visitor. He peaked out into the waiting room, saw a bald guy and told his secretary to tell him to come back tomorrow. The next time he saw the bald guy was on the frontpage of the newspaper, having just overthrown the Kerensky Regime. Lenin evidently left the American offices and went over the German foreign offices. Then again, maybe it's just a cover story told by Dulles. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 19:26, July 7, 2024 (EDT)