What is the problem with combining democracy, civil liberties, and socialism? In Australia we have been doing it for years. Those on the right nibble away at one side while the left does its best to make inroads into the other. But by and large they cancel each other out. The Murdoch press carries on about the unions while the Fairfax papers slam the banks.
- Whatever else happens, we're socialist (Sort of. By your standards.) I'm 72. I get a pension. So does my 67 y.o. wife. It is tax free. I can make a certain amount before this pension is reduced. We both have health issues that require drugs. Mine are the usual heart related - aspirin, beta blocker, statins etc., They cost about $5 a script until about September each year when the "safety net" kicks in then they don't cost me (or Susan) a thing till January. I get 30% off my home and property rates, and automobile registration, driving license, plus various amounts off public transport, picture theatres and the like. My local doctor, of course, is free. As is treatment at a public hospital. (And here, the public hospital system is second to none if you are really in strife.)
And every three years, Federal, and four years, State, I (we) call in at one of the local school halls and cast my (our) vote(s). It rarely takes more than 15 minutes for the four members of our family to do our civic duty. Unlike in America where you can stand out in the snow for hours, democracy here is quick and simple and easy. And almost foolproof.
- And compulsory. It negates the squeaky wheel.
- And none of us has been shot recently.
- If democratic socialism works for you in Australia, then that's great. I admire the fact that you actually have border security, a system that keeps out illegal immigrants and makes people do it the right way (but the Labor Party opposed such a common-sense policy and the more conservative Liberal Party supported it ).
- What I have against democratic socialism is what I mentioned on the article. There are so many regulations and taxes under that system (I've heard that in Denmark, for example, a middle class person has to pay half their income in taxes). Even if corporations don't have to deal with so many, there are a lot of laws that affect everyday people (the nanny State).
- Also, why is it that democratic socialists strongly support abortion, homosexual "marriage", feminism, anti-homeschooling, and other socially liberal policies? Are there any democratic socialists who oppose those things? I would be much less opposed to that system if it were, at least, less connected with those policies.
- In regards to your comments on gun violence and voting, why is it that the inner cities in America, which are in many cases virtual war zones, continue to see so much violence despite the large amount of gun control? In Chicago, for example, it was illegal to own a handgun until very recently, and there is still a lot of gun control in that city (and the criminals pay absolutely no attention to them). What I mean is that gun control is not the solution, it is a problem. As for compulsory voting, it does not sound like a good idea. If someone does not want to vote, for whatever reason (and I do vote, btw), they should not be forced to vote (another example of the nanny state).
- You may like your system, and yes, it is much better than several others. But I do not desire to emulate it, with its regulations, social liberalism, and government involvement in daily lives of the people. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:56, 13 November 2016 (EST)
History Lesson: When Did the Democratic Party Become Socialist?
The Democratic Socialist movement allegedly began around 1944. This occurred when then a six-time Socialist Party candidate for President stated, "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened…. I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform."
Socialists within the United States did not achieve a full movement towards making the Democratic Party more of a Socialist Party until the 1960’s. The "new" party idea did get popular when one certain radical seemed to alter his tactics. This figure for the Socialists was Saul Alinsky, who, by the way, is a very good friend of former Presidential hopeful, Hillary Clinton. Saul Alinsky stated that "to change a society, one had to first infiltrate the major institutions, the school, the media, the churches, the entertainment industries, the labor unions, and the three branches of government, and then it would have the power to implement policies."
The Democratic Party of today is trending very far-left with the upper parts of the Democratic party having been infiltrated by a vast number of Socialists/Communists. The DNC can no longer differentiate between the Democratic Party and the Socialist Party. The Democrats actually have a leftwing faction in the House of Representatives that has since organized into the Progressive Caucus. Currently, the word "progressive" has been replaced with "Liberal," and Socialist Bernie Sanders was the founder of the Progressive Caucus.
Late in 2010, Communist Party USA member C.J. Atkins called for his comrades to drop their “communist” label, and they then began to work more effectively inside the so-called Democratic Party. The term “Shadow Party” has been used specifically to refer to the network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros. The Shadow Party was conceived and organized principally by Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Harold Ickes. Its efforts are amplified by, and coordinated with, key government unions and the activist groups associated with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN).
Allegedly, the Main Stream Media is aligned with both the Socialists and the Communists within the Democratic Party, and it refuses to allow this truth to be revealed.
Certainly this describes the activities of a Fifth Column. What do others think??? here is the Source: https://freedomoutpost.com/when-did-the-democratic-party-become-socialist/ Let us eat lettuce (talk) 19:31, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
- Oddly, I was just reading this quote in Road to Serfdom (written in 1944) five minutes ago: " By the time Hitler came to power, liberalism was dead in Germany. And it was socialism that had killed it. To many who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters the connection between the two systems has become increasingly obvious, but in the democracies the majority of people still believe that socialism and freedom can be combined. They do not realize that democratic socialism, the great utopia of the last few generations, is not only unachievable but that to strive for it produces something utterly different - the very destruction of freedom itself." RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:43, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
- We are well beyond the infiltration stage. Liberalism is dead in the Democrat party. We are well passed the progressive phase. The tragedy of socialism now has to be played out in America, with the same violent forces it has unleashed everywhere else on the planet. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:47, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
- Yup! We can expose this subversive attack on "American exceptionalism" for all users on Conservapedia. This obviously [to me] discusses the activities of a Deep State and a Fifth Column and, exposing this is contributing to what Trump is indicating when he says he wants to "Make America great again!" Let us eat lettuce (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2019 (EDT)