Scariest words
Certificate of Need laws exemplify the scariest words in the English language: "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help". Progressingamerica (talk) 15:53, 5 April 2020 (EDT)
- This is bull, and communist propaganda. Bed shortages are created by the pandemic PERIOD. There are 1 million hospital beds in the United States. If 10 million victims of the CCP virus need a hospital bed, the shortage was not caused by Nixon or a Republican president and a Democrat congress. Rewrite your premise or face deletion. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 00:10, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- This is ridiculous. Delete it if you want, but it won't be true. The places talking about this are conservative(and a handful of libertarian) news outlets.
- https://nypost.com/2020/03/13/a-hospital-bed-shortage-looms-amid-coronavirus-and-other-commentary/
- https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/justin-haskins-coronavirus-will-dramatically-worsen-hospital-bed-shortage-created-by-government-regulations
- https://www.mercatus.org/bridge/commentary/now-time-eliminate-certificate-need-laws-limit-hospital-resources-and-space
- https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/op-eds/how-lawmakers-can-proactively-protect-communities-from-pandemic-threats
- https://mises.org/wire/how-left-trying-blame-capitalism-covid-19-deaths
- https://pacificlegal.org/fox-business-coronavirus-puts-absurdity-of-inflexible-government-regulations-in-sharp-relief/
- https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/yes-a-michigan-law-rations-number-of-hospital-beds-here
- https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/burn-down-the-regulatory-house.php
- https://www.unionleader.com/opinion/op-eds/greg-moore-not-enough-hospital-beds-in-new-hampshire-blame/article_04e835bd-bb7b-5cef-b7d8-76d27e405e01.html
- https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/4/how-certificate-of-need-con-laws-make-health-care-/
- You said "There are 1 million hospital beds in the United States" - there ought to be double that. Certificate of Need creates an artificial scarcity. The sad fact is that socialized medicine is already failing America. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:13, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- It doesn't matter what the source of fake news is. You should know better by the very definition of the word, "pandemic". A simple rewrite toning down the obvious partisan smears oughtta work. The American public needs factual information about the pandemic and what 'flattening the curve" means, not partisan cheap shots at this moment in history. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 19:35, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- It's a simple point: the shortage of beds is caused by a global pandemic, not by Richard Nixon and a Democratic Congress that passed a law in 1974. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 19:38, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- More commie agitprop:
- "There are 1 million hospital beds in the United States" - there ought to be double that.
- If you want to blame somebody, blame the taxpayers, private hospitals, and charities for not building enough hospitals over a 45 year period in anticipation of a global pandemic. And who's to say we need 2 million hospital beds, when other experts say we may need 10 or 12 million hospital beds in coming weeks and months?
- Furthermore, if you chose to pursue this line, you need to address the more fundamental shortage of ICU units. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 19:49, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- The law(regulation) specifically forbid them from building new facilities and bringing in new beds over that 45 year period. That's the point. This isn't fake news. Centralized planning is almost always at the root of our problems, and this is not the exception. And as to ICU units - are those covered by Certificate of Need? If so, then I addressed it already. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- The law(regulation) specifically forbid them
- Huh? Who's "them"? You're loosing me very quickly with this communist nonsense. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 20:00, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- The page already has 13,000 hits. I suggest you use the mises.org link you posted above, How the Left Is Trying to Blame Capitalism for COVID-19 Deaths to correct the communist misinformation you are using CP to spread. And do it quickly. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 20:09, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- The law(regulation) specifically forbid them from building new facilities and bringing in new beds over that 45 year period. That's the point. This isn't fake news. Centralized planning is almost always at the root of our problems, and this is not the exception. And as to ICU units - are those covered by Certificate of Need? If so, then I addressed it already. Progressingamerica (talk) 19:57, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Why are states trying to now eliminate or otherwise circumvent CON laws?
- https://www.thetribunepapers.com/2020/03/15/north-carolina-temporarily-lifts-restrictions-on-hospital-beds/
- https://www.ntu.org/publications/detail/new-bill-would-push-back-on-state-certificate-of-need-laws-to-fight-coronavirus
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickgleason/2020/03/27/more-than-100-deregulatory-actions-taken-to-combat--cope-with-the-coronavirus-pandemic/#39ffc3565f44
- https://maineexaminer.com/with-only-71-icu-beds-in-maine-group-says-gov-mills-should-suspend-law-restricting-health-care-facilities/
- https://www.wabe.org/kemp-backs-bid-for-certificate-of-need-changes-gets-house-panel-ok-on-waiver-plan/
- This is the fact. CON laws are the source of this particular problem. The only media outlets defending(in the rare occasion they even mention) CON laws are left wing outlets.
- https://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/editorials/fl-op-editorial-certificate-of-need-florida-hospital-regulation-20180123-story.html
Centralized planning does not work. Progressingamerica (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2020
- "I suggest you use the mises.org link you posted above"
- Gladly. I agree with the link, it says CON laws are a big part of the problem. And, the link agrees with me. Progressingamerica (talk) 20:34, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Good. Leave Nixon out of it, and point to a Democrat Congress that Nixon tried to comprise with, that passed this crony capitalism bull-twinkie and impeached him anyway if you wish to make a valid and viable contribution. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 20:39, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- So you picked a fight over all this when now you don't even deny that CON laws are causing shortages(now, per the link you have said you agree with) and also you don't deny that CON laws are sourced from 1974. it was all over a name? Why didn't you just edit that in? This is a Wiki. It's supposed to be collaborative, you're not supposed to pick fights. The facts are there and pretty indisputable on this one.
- Good. Leave Nixon out of it, and point to a Democrat Congress that Nixon tried to comprise with, that passed this crony capitalism bull-twinkie and impeached him anyway if you wish to make a valid and viable contribution. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 20:39, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Besides, "Nixon Era"; "Reagan era"; "Bush era"; "Presidential name era"; are common practice descriptions. I have never heard anybody say "93rd Congress era." That's not snarky. That's how it is done. You didn't need to do all of this. It was absolutely unnecessary. Progressingamerica (talk) 21:00, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- As I said, you should know better. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 21:05, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Know better about what specifically, common figures of speech? Be specific. People say "Hoover era", "Clinton era". What am I supposed to know better about? You trying to tell me you have never once talked to anybody you know about Carter era malaise, with that specific term? This is how people talk. Progressingamerica (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Read the misis article: How the Left Is Trying to Blame Capitalism for COVID-19 Deaths rather than blame Nixon for it, which you obviously have done, spreading commie agitprop. I don't have time for this nonsense in the midst of a global pandemic. But obviously your editing proves the communist axiom, "Never let a crisis go to waste". RobSDe Plorabus Unum 21:18, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Digest this section: Coronavirus#Inconclusive_List_Of_Suggestions_For_U.S._Residents and we'll talk more. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 21:46, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Know better about what specifically, common figures of speech? Be specific. People say "Hoover era", "Clinton era". What am I supposed to know better about? You trying to tell me you have never once talked to anybody you know about Carter era malaise, with that specific term? This is how people talk. Progressingamerica (talk) 21:14, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- As I said, you should know better. RobSDe Plorabus Unum 21:05, 6 April 2020 (EDT)
- Besides, "Nixon Era"; "Reagan era"; "Bush era"; "Presidential name era"; are common practice descriptions. I have never heard anybody say "93rd Congress era." That's not snarky. That's how it is done. You didn't need to do all of this. It was absolutely unnecessary. Progressingamerica (talk) 21:00, 6 April 2020 (EDT)