Talk:Andrew Jackson
The quote about religion in this article seems pretty irrelevant and out of place. In a short article about a president, items relevant to his policies and actions as president should be more prominent than an obscure and irrelevant quotation about Christianity. He was a warrior and a politician, not a theologian. --Zerba 13:18, 28 March 2007 (EDT)
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- John Stevens Cabot Abbott, "Lives of the Presidents of the United States of America," (Boston: B.B. Russell & Co., 1867
Sounds like a bunch of KKK propaganda. Not sure we can retain it without more context. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:59, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- What are you saying? Looking at his WP biography, he's a Northerner (born in Maine, died in Connecticut) who had absolutely no connection to the South or the KKK. For the record, though, being a Southerner or someone who served in the CSA army (as opposed to the KKK) shouldn't automatically disqualify someone either. --1990'sguy (talk) 17:29, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- Quoting an 1867 manuscript that seeks to rehabilitate the reputation of the Democratic party in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War is an attempt to link the Presbyterian Church and Christianity with racism and the Klan. Especially since this cite is the exact opposite of the one the same editor replaced. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:08, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- I didn't look closely at the edits -- if he removed a reference, he should re-add it. I think it's best to cite both references, not one or the other. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:50, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- I still think the 1867 cite needs more context; it was an effort to rehab Jackson and the Democrats using the cover of Christianity and the church as a cover for racism. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:06, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- This event is recounted in numerous biographies about Jackson, so the idea that it is KKK propaganda is a total absurdity. --User: Haeralis, 11 October 2019
- I still think the 1867 cite needs more context; it was an effort to rehab Jackson and the Democrats using the cover of Christianity and the church as a cover for racism. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 19:06, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- I didn't look closely at the edits -- if he removed a reference, he should re-add it. I think it's best to cite both references, not one or the other. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:50, 3 February 2019 (EST)
- Quoting an 1867 manuscript that seeks to rehabilitate the reputation of the Democratic party in the immediate aftermath of the Civil War is an attempt to link the Presbyterian Church and Christianity with racism and the Klan. Especially since this cite is the exact opposite of the one the same editor replaced. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 18:08, 3 February 2019 (EST)
"My Sovereign, the People"
This is a good starting point. A generation later the Democrat notion of popular sovereignty was the core issue of the Civil War. It was the subject of the Lincoln-Douglas debates. It is the basis of Jim Crow when popular sovereignty was restored after Reconstruction. It is the defining difference between Andrew Jackson, founder of the Democrat party, and Abraham Lincoln, founder of the Republican party.
Jackson and the Democrats interpret popular sovereignty to mean a majority can agree to enslave blacks, exterminate Indians, keep women in the kitchen, pass Obamacare, and make homosexuality and gay marriage legal. Lincoln said not so. Lincoln said there are certain immutable truths which are not subject to popular sovereignty, such as all men are created equal. To defend Jackson today is to corroborate the Democrat notion that the parties flipped, and the GOP is the party of the KKK.
True, Trump identifies with Jackson. But this more on a personal level, as this article says, "as a man of action not of words." Politically, Trump identifies with Jackson's willingness to take on the Central Bank of his day and the powerful old corrupt aristocracy (heirs of the greedy rich, privileged class of the Founding Fathers} who taxed the poor, the oppressed, the downtrodden, while holding on to their Slave Power. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:21, 21 February 2019 (EST)
- Popular sovereignty, born of the enlightenment as CP's article explains, likewise is anti-church, which lends more weight to my argument above that the 1867 citation claiming Jackson was a devout Presbyterian is KKK propaganda and should be removed. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 00:40, 21 February 2019 (EST)
- As far as the notion of popular sovereignty goes, when you remove God from the equation - as the "enlightenment" did - it opens the door to all sorts of abuses, such as the Trail of Tears, the KKK, or the Holocaust. Lincoln's view was based on the existence of a just God. This is a key point lost as socialists have tried to hi-jack Lincoln to justify all sorts of politically correct nonsense. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 01:11, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Where he is
Is Andrew Jackson in heaven or hell? --United States (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2020 (EST)
"Jackson's opposition to the early deep state"
Eh, I don't think so. Jackson facilitated the rise of the Slave Power, and his legacy is marked with a sinister trail of cabalism, elitist conspiracies, revolutions, and murderous racial subjugation. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 12:35, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
