Debate: Who will win the Russo-Ukraine/NATO War?

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Russia will win the Russo-Ukraine/NATO War

Militarily, Russia. Politically, NATO has suffered a major defeat, and now must justify its continued existence to it populations, if it can hold itself together, and why its taxpayers must shoulder the cost of rebuilding itself to continue its global racist and imperialist wars. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 09:39, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

God instructed Solomon not to multiply horses, i.e. not to build a standing army in peace time. Solomon disobeyed, and the rest is history. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 09:58, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

After Solomon came Rehoboam who asked the old men for advice. They told him, "Ease thou somewhat the burden our fathers placed upon us", i.e. cut taxes. Then Rehoboam asked the young men for advice, and they told him to tell the people, "my father chastised you with whips [to build a standing army in peace time], but I will chastise you with scorpions." Interesting; the Soviet Union learned the same lesson the hard way when it collapsed in 1991 because of excessive defense spending. Now is NATO and the US' turn. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:17, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

Frankly, I'm sick of all these Nazi apologetics; even Hitler had enough sense to know when to quit. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:41, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

Russia demands an unconditional surrender, which means Kiev gets overrun at some point. Hopefully, Zelensky gets removed beforehand (highly likely) and the city doesn't get rubblized (unlikely). NATO gets the boot and can go lick its wounds elsewhere.

BlackRock carpetbaggers get stuck holding the bag with all the paper assets they bought from the Zelensky regime, and can try to sue the Ukrainian puppet state for redress. Too bad. Their claims against stolen Russian frozen assets in the West will only demonstrate the corruptness of Western judicial regimes. (It's going to be like ITT trying to reclaim its $2 billion in stollen 1959 dollars from the Cuban government when ITT had a phone company monopoly. This is why Russia will leave the Ukrainian rump state "sovereign" and not annex it, so they don't have to pay off a couple hundred billion dollars in foreign debts).

Nazi war criminals like Biden, Blinken, Sullivan, Von der Leyen, BoJo etc (the list is too long to enumerate) will hide out in the West until they die and escape justice. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:25, December 20, 2023 (EST)

See Cold War II, which is already underway.

Survivors of the generation that fought this war - people in their 20s now, when they soften up with age in their 40s and become tomorrow's leaders (after the Putins, Trumps, Bidens, Pelosis, Kerrys, McConnells, Grahams, McCains etc are all dead), will understand and acknowledge the senselessness and futility of war, and make peace overtures - but sure as eff not on NATO (if its still around), the US, the EU, or collective West's terms. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:40, December 20, 2023 (EST)

The West is dying out anyway because of a low fertility rate. In 20 years what's left of it will be inbred with the Muslims. Unlike Russia, the West hasn't learned how to peacefully live side-by-side with Muslims and retain their Christian heritage. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:43, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Russia will remain the most powerful military on the planet for the foreseeable future. Right now, with less than half the population of the US, Russia has a larger, more experienced standing military, that is still growing in size, with superior technology. The US has a bunch a gay wokesters who will flee to Russia, China, Mexico, Brazil or somewhere other than a NATO country if they implement a draft.

The Us doesn't have the best military on the planet. It has the most expensive and inefficient military on the planet. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:29, December 20, 2023 (EST)

For example: the M1A1 Abrams tanks in Ukraine are like a Lamborghini without wheels sitting on blocks in front of your house. The difference between the Russian and US military industrial complex is a discussion for elsewhere at another time. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 17:00, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Ukraine/NATO will win the Russo-Ukraine/NATO War

Ukraine/NATO will win. Will explain why later as I'm busy writing other articles now.

For now, just consider the GDP and Population of Russia vs NATO Respectively.

NATO GDP: > 40 Trillion Dollars. Russia GDP: less than 2 Trillion Dollars.

NATO Population: Around 1 Billion People: Russia Population: less than 150 MN.

No contest. No contest. Russia knows this, which is why it will never invade Finland (or any NATO Country). NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 07:38, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

Nobody will win the Russo-Ukraine/NATO War. It will be a pyrrhic victory for Russia and/or Ukraine/NATO countries

See also: [[Essay: The war in Ukraine and Western sanctions will significantly hurt the Russian economy]]

Although I would like the war in Ukraine to end soon, I suspect that John Joseph Mearsheimer is correct and that the war will drag on for a considerable amount of time (See: INTERVIEW: John Mearsheimer On US Power & the Darkness Ahead for Ukraine).

Also, any "victory" Russia achieves will be a pyrrhic victory given its forecasted demographic winter (see: [[Russia's fertility rate]] and [[Essay: Russia is dying out. The war in Ukraine is making Russia's demographic crisis even worse]] and [[Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future]]). I also predict that Ukraine will be wrecked and become a rump state. In addition, I predict that American/NATO taxpayers will continue to pay for this boondoggle with their tax money for several more years.

If Donald Trump (or some other Republican) is elected in 2024, maybe Donald Trump (or that Republican) will surprise me and strike a lasting peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine as early as 2025 (Long shot events do sometimes happen as evidenced by anyone who has ever seen a black swan). But even if such a thing were accomplished, things might blow up after another Democrat was elected.

Although I can potentially see the war in Ukraine ending in 2025 if Trump or another Republican is elected (Ukraine is not of vital national interest of the USA), it seems unlikely given the animosity between Russia/Ukraine now and other factors mentioned in the video INTERVIEW: John Mearsheimer On US Power & the Darkness Ahead for Ukraine. But Trump did make relations between North Korea and the USA better for a while. However, regardless of when the war ends, it will have hurt Ukraine, Russia, the West and much of the world in significant ways and it would have been better if the war did not happen. For example, Ukraine is a big food producer and many third-world countries struggle when it comes to food security.

For additional arguments, please see: [[Essay: The war in Ukraine and Western sanctions will significantly hurt the Russian economy]] Conservative (talk) 12:23, August 19, 2023 (EDT)

• "a lasting peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine"

Do you really think that's possible without a Conventional Forces in Europe treaty? Russia's not even a member of the OSCE anymore.

What came first, the chicken or the egg? RobS^{Get thee behind me, Satan} 21:50, November 14, 2023 (EST)

There will be no lasting peace agreement for the foreseeable future. There may be a frozen conflict where hostilities flare up periodically, but wars/conflicts are hard to predict. Russia may annex 4 more oblasts. Ukraine will wind up being a dysfunctional rump state. See: John Mearsheimer on the future of the Ukraine/Russia conflict, 12-2023. Conservative (talk) 00:19, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Thank you. We already know that from listening to Prof. Mearsheimer months ago. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 00:22, December 20, 2023 (EST)

Mearsheimer - 'Putin didn't want the war'. RobS^{Zelensky didn't kill himself} 01:36, December 20, 2023 (EST)