::::Exactly. The unborn are not a race of people. Not all abortion is genocidal. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:35, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:::::No, the unborn ''are a group of people.'' Genocide is still genocide if the people in question are unborn, homosexual, or Jews. It doesn't have to be ethnic. Genocide can still be included here. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
== Authoritarianism is not a synonym for liberalism. Not all authoritarian drill instuctors are liberals for example ==
Authoritarianism is not a synonym for liberalism. Not all very authoritarian drill instructors are liberals for example,
Some conservative principals in schools can be authoritarian. So authoritarianism is not synonymous with liberalism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:40, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
== Denmark/Sweden/France/California are not Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Stop pretending that liberalism equals fascism or communism ==
::::Communism was not well known for animal rights. When I think of the Soviet Union or Chinese communism or the Russians, animal rights activism does not spring to mind.
::::The environmental record for communism is very poor compared to liberalism. If you haven't done any research on this matterFor example, please do soread the article [http://thefederalist.com/2014/01/13/if-you-think-communism-is-bad-for-people-check-out-what-it-did-to-the-environment/ If You Think Communism Is Bad For People, Check Out What It Did To The Environment]. Germany is fairly liberal, has a high standard of living, produces many things and does a lot of exporting. But its record in terms of the environment is far better than most, if not all, communist countries.
::::This may be correct and I have not thoroughly researched it, "The Nazis ordered soldiers to plant more trees. They were the first Europeans to establish nature reserves and order the protection of hedgerows and other wildlife habitats. And they were horrified at the idea of hydroelectric dams on the Rhine. Adolf Hitler and other leading Nazis were vegetarian and they passed numerous laws on animal rights."[http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/nazi_ecology.htm] But conservation is different from environmentalism so I am not sure how fair it is to say that Nazism practiced environmentalism in terms of its ideology. See: [[Conservation vs. environmentalism]] The bottom line though is you have to explain things. Not just bury them in footnotes with a few words. You will destroy any shred of credibility the article has if you do this. I did clean up some ridiculous claims like Attila the Hun being a liberal.
::::European social democracies which are liberal are different from communist countries. People can do open air preaching in many /all liberal countries in Europe. You cannot do that in communist countries.
::::There is a political spectrum.
::::You can certainly have a section in the article on the more extreme liberals and clearly mark it as such, but be sure to cite legitimate examples and clearly explain it. Specifically, clearly explain things and don't bury them in the footnotes. Don't just have two words if people are not commonly aware of a matter. Not everyone who reads the article is a hard core conservativeor is very informed about politics. For example, Anita Dunn, who was Obama's debate coach and who served as White House Communications Director from April through November 2009, named Mao as her favorite political philosopher.[http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/10/17/obama-debate-advisor-anita-dunn-mao/] That is a legitimate point to make as far as far left liberals.
::::And let's do use the entire world's libraries for decades and decades and decades and use the world's printed encyclopedias and not pretend they don't exist for the sake of ideological fantasizing. Liberalism is not Nazism or communism.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:30, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
I updated the article and documented the communists moving closer to capitalism and the American liberals being more sympathetic to communism. I also created a [[liberal intolerance]] section of the article and near the lead of the article I put how liberals were limiting free speech. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:51, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
== Democrat does not equal liberalUpdate photo==Let's update the photo from Obama to [[Elizabeth Warren]]. HistoricallyThis will help keep the article fresh and timely. Every time a new piece of idiocy comes out of her mouth, many Democrats have not been liberalswe'll something to add explaining how she's wrong and keep the page current. Not all American slave owners were liberal[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The coup plotters won, for now'']]</sup> 23:17, 8 May 2017 (EDT):Go ahead. George Washington owned slavesMakes sense. ==Obama is largely yesterday's news. So is Hillary Clinton. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:41, 8 May 2017 (EDT)::Good. I'll try to find a picture of her with a booger hanging out of her nose. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The coup plotters won, for now'']]</sup> 23:44, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
Democrat does not equal liberal. Historically, many Democrats have not been liberals. Not all American slave owners were liberal. George Washington owned slaves. Was George Washington an uber liberal? == Liberal intolerance article greatly needs expansion - especially in light of recent events ==
I removed the material about liberals advocating slavery. Please The [[liberal intolerance]] article greatly needs to be expanded - especially in light of things that have some historical context like the French Revolution advocating the equality of manhappened since Trump appeared as a political candidate and was elected (violent demonstrations, violence used to prevent speakers on campuses, etc. etc. I realize that people can be contradictory and Thomas Jefferson espoused some [[Age of Enlightenment]] ideas). Right now, but also owned slaves. the [[User:Conservative|Conservativeliberal intolerance]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:14, 8 May 2017 (EDT)=== Stop pretending we are living in the 1800s or early 1900s. Stop pretending that current Democrats are largely members of the Klu Klux Klanarticle is merely one sentence. Make historical distinctions ===
Stop pretending we are living in If the 1800s or early 1900s. Stop pretending that current Democrats are largely members of [[Liberal intolerance]] article was expanded, the Klu Klux Klan[[liberal]] article could have a section on liberal intolerance.
Please make historical distinctionsThe liberal article is a popular article. But it turned into a mess and I fixed cleaned it up as I indicated on the article so that historical distinctions are made. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])page.
== King George III was not a The liberalarticle could be much better. Opposite Modern liberalism is often intolerant of French Revolutionconservatives/conservatism. Attila The way the Hun [[liberal]] article was born before liberalism trying to make this point was an ideologypoorly done. Liberalism is bad but not Slapping the word Stalinism, etc. on the article doesn't cut the mustard. A section on liberal intolerance with a synonym of bad ==link to a well-supported article would cut the mustard. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:11, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
King George III was :I started the article.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:53, 9 May 2017 (EDT)::In that article what's needed is not just a liberal. He no doubt believed in the divine right laundry list of kings which is opposite of the French Revolution. There are plenty of overly authoritarian modern instances, but an in depth anaylsis as to what basic beliefs liberals. The are plenty hold that they feel justify censoring, silencing, intimidating, harassing, lawbreaking, using acts of corrupt liberals. But just because King George III was authoritarian violence up to and corrupt, does not mean he was a including extermination againsts persons they deem non-liberal. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The British coup plotters won, for now'']]</sup> 16:34, 9 May 2017 (EDT):::RobS, Go for it!!!! It could argue that the high taxes on the American colonies were be a very informative and popular article if it was done right. If it was helpful to readers, you could have a result very small section of the Brits paying for the examples which gave a link to a separate article giving a laundry list such as [[French and Indian WarExamples of liberal intolerance]], but that is a whole other discussion. The bottom line is that not all historical figures who opposed the United States are necessarily liberals). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:39, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
Attila the Hun was born before liberalism was an ideology. Let's stop pretending that liberalism is not a specific political ideology that arose in a specific period of time. Was Cain of Cain and Abel fame a liberal? == Liberalism is bad but not a synonym for the word bad. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:30, 8 May 2017 (EDT)and communism ==
==Update photo==Let's update the photo from Obama It might be a good idea to consider adding this to [[Elizabeth Warren]]. This will help keep the article fresh and timely: [http://www. Every time breitbart.com/california/2017/05/09/california-may-allow-communists-work-openly-state-government/ the California State Assembly passed a new piece of idiocy comes out of her mouth, we'll something bill to add explaining how she's wrong and keep the page currentallow communists to openly work in government positions]. --[[User:RobSmith1990'sguy|RobS1990'sguy]]<sup>([[User talk:RobSmith1990'sguy|''The coup plotters won, for now''talk]]</sup> 23) 18:1729, 8 9 May 2017 (EDT):Go ahead. Makes sense. Obama is largely yesterday== Vandalism == I checked the "difference" on that last attempt of vandalism by Click Your Heels, even though I don's news. So is Hillary Clintont usually, and it may have been one of the funnier vandalisms here, if a bit poorly attempted. --[[User:ConservativeAbcqwe|ConservativeNathan]] ([[User talk:ConservativeAbcqwe|talk]]) 2320:4128, 8 28 May 2017 (EDT):[http:Good//www. conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476 I'll try to find a picture of her with a booger hanging out of her nosecan see why]. --[[User:RobSmith1990'sguy|RobS1990'sguy]]<sup>([[User talk:RobSmith1990'sguy|''The coup plotters won, for now''talk]]</sup> ) 23:4414, 8 May 4 June 2017 (EDT)