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Someone saying that he hated God is not an indication that he was an atheist. If anything, it shows that he did believe in God. Mentioning a Bible passage which does not say that atheists hate God is irrelevant to the fact that there is no evidence that KG ever self-identified as anything in regard to religion - or the absence of it. There is no evidence of KG having been an atheist, yet the Atheist category has been repeatedly re-added. The only self-identification from KG in regard to his identity is that he was a goth - which is about music, clothes etc., not religion. Even if he carried out the [[Dawson College shooting]] in connection to being a goth, it still does not indicate anything about his religious beliefs or lack of them. [[User:Qaz|Qaz]] ([[User talk:Qaz|talk]]) 11:54, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | Someone saying that he hated God is not an indication that he was an atheist. If anything, it shows that he did believe in God. Mentioning a Bible passage which does not say that atheists hate God is irrelevant to the fact that there is no evidence that KG ever self-identified as anything in regard to religion - or the absence of it. There is no evidence of KG having been an atheist, yet the Atheist category has been repeatedly re-added. The only self-identification from KG in regard to his identity is that he was a goth - which is about music, clothes etc., not religion. Even if he carried out the [[Dawson College shooting]] in connection to being a goth, it still does not indicate anything about his religious beliefs or lack of them. [[User:Qaz|Qaz]] ([[User talk:Qaz|talk]]) 11:54, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
:Someone saying they hate God does '''not''' equate to theism. Read Richard Dawkin's writings on God, where he calls God every single slanderous word he can think of. Dawkins clearly hates God (though he doesn't use the exact term). Many atheists express a clear contempt of God, for various reasons.[https://creation.com/atheist-god-hate][https://carm.org/do-atheists-hate-the-god-they-dont-believe-in] I want Conservative's perspective on this if we're going to remove him (Cons originally added him). Before that, he's staying. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:03, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | :Someone saying they hate God does '''not''' equate to theism. Read Richard Dawkin's writings on God, where he calls God every single slanderous word he can think of. Dawkins clearly hates God (though he doesn't use the exact term). Many atheists express a clear contempt of God, for various reasons.[https://creation.com/atheist-god-hate][https://carm.org/do-atheists-hate-the-god-they-dont-believe-in] I want Conservative's perspective on this if we're going to remove him (Cons originally added him). Before that, he's staying. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 12:03, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::That still doesn't indicate that KG was an atheist - there's no evidence of him self-identifying as anything other than a goth. He didn't say he was an atheist, nor did his family, the media etc. No source says he was an atheist, so why claim that he was? Hating God doesn't indicate atheism. [[User:Qaz|Qaz]] ([[User talk:Qaz|talk]]) 12:11, 26 April 2018 (EDT) | ||
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Notability
Does anyone else think that this person doesn't really seem to be notable enough to warrant their own entry in an encyclopedia? Sulgran 23:40, 8 April 2007 (EDT)
Terrorist
Gill was a lot of things - a murderer, a criminal, a scumbag - but his shooting spree was not politically motivated, and thus, given CPs own definition of terrorism (as well as any reasonable definition of the word) he was not a "terrorist." AliceBG 12:05, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
Atheist?
Someone saying that he hated God is not an indication that he was an atheist. If anything, it shows that he did believe in God. Mentioning a Bible passage which does not say that atheists hate God is irrelevant to the fact that there is no evidence that KG ever self-identified as anything in regard to religion - or the absence of it. There is no evidence of KG having been an atheist, yet the Atheist category has been repeatedly re-added. The only self-identification from KG in regard to his identity is that he was a goth - which is about music, clothes etc., not religion. Even if he carried out the Dawson College shooting in connection to being a goth, it still does not indicate anything about his religious beliefs or lack of them. Qaz (talk) 11:54, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
- Someone saying they hate God does not equate to theism. Read Richard Dawkin's writings on God, where he calls God every single slanderous word he can think of. Dawkins clearly hates God (though he doesn't use the exact term). Many atheists express a clear contempt of God, for various reasons.[1][2] I want Conservative's perspective on this if we're going to remove him (Cons originally added him). Before that, he's staying. --1990'sguy (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
- That still doesn't indicate that KG was an atheist - there's no evidence of him self-identifying as anything other than a goth. He didn't say he was an atheist, nor did his family, the media etc. No source says he was an atheist, so why claim that he was? Hating God doesn't indicate atheism. Qaz (talk) 12:11, 26 April 2018 (EDT)
