== Vic Eliason passage should be removed ==
I write this because I have met VE here in Wisconsin and believe he'd be uncomfortable with the logic of including this information in this particular article. The passage: "Vic Eliason of Crosstalk America rightly points out that if all Americans turned homosexual it would only take a few generations for the United States to lose most of the population of the country through lack of procreation. This would make the US more vulnerable to attack by our enemies." Nobody believes that homosexuality is contagious, like a virus, and the probability is 0% that "all Americans" would turn homosexual. I doubt that any homosexual, including activist leaders, would think it would be possible at all or even desirable. There is as little temptation for a heterosexual to want homosexual sex as there is for homosexuals to want heterosexual sex. Also, the comment about the US being more vulnerable to attack because the country doesn't procreate also makes no sense, given that the likelihood of that happening for this reason is 0%. Three other potential problems. 1) The passage is completely undocumented. 2) The link for biographical information for VE is to Wikipedia. Couldn't someone here write an article about him for CP? He has been, after all, a leading figure in Christian radio for 40+ years. 3) Besides being unrelated to the topic of the article and having 0% possibility of describing a real situation, the passage detracts from the credibility of the article and CP. This passage should be removed.{{unsigned|CPlantin}} :''Crosstalk America''. Isn't that an [[RT]] program? [https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]</sup> 06:21, March 18, 2024 (EDT)::The edit was made way back in [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Homosexual_Agenda&oldid=662777 2009], I simply figured it was appropriate to source the paragraph. As to the question, as I don't watch or listen to RT programs, I'm not in a position to confirm or deny, only I assume so, based on your source. [[User:Cazle|Cazle]] ([[User talk:Cazle|talk]]) 06:38, March 18, 2024 (EDT)
== WOV's got a point ==
:::Also, you're taking a single Bible passage about judging others way out of context -- many passages of the Bible call on believers to discern between right and wrong (for example, Matthew 7:6, 15-16; John 7:24). Per John 7:24, Christians should "judge correctly," and this means they should not throw out correct doctrine in the name of postmodern "tolerance." There are two good articles explaining what the Bible says about judging others in further detail: [https://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html][https://answersingenesis.org/bible-questions/does-the-bible-tell-christians-to-judge-not/] --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 16:55, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
::::Whether you translate ''agape'' as "love" or "charity" (1 Cor. 13:13), it's easy to see why casual browsers can have a hard time finding much evidence of it around here.
::::And given the size of your editor base / audience vs. the millions of conservative Christians you're supposedly producing content for, that's something you might all do well to ponder. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 17:02, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
:::::So, what you're saying, JohnZ, is that we in this website must cave in to the left's way of thinking. Is that what you're saying, JohnZ? Is that what your version of "love" means? That we have to tolerate everyone, behavior included? [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
::::::@JohnZ: Love is not synonymous (actually, it's an antonym) with failure to discern between what is morally right and wrong, and popularity is not an indicator of truth. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:12, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
:::::(edit conflict) Also, keep in mind that we don't oppose homosexuality or transgenderism because we simply dislike it or have some "subconscious hatred" or whatever -- we're simply repeating what the Bible says, as the ultimate source of authority. For example, [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version=ESV Romans 1:26-27] states that homosexuality not only is sinful behavior, but that it's also punishment for sinful behavior (remember, this is the New Testament--good bye to your notions that it's all just "Old Testament stuff"). Also, [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+6&version=ESV 1 Corinthians 6:9-10] lists homosexuality as an act that indicates that one is not saved. Also, see [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+1&version=ESV 1 Timothy 1:9-10]. There are other passages that deal with the topic of marriage (see Jesus's statement in [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19&version=ESV Matthew 19:4-5], for example). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 17:12, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
=== JohnZ: Excerpt, picture and caption from Conservapedia's flagship [[homosexuality]] article ===
[[Image:FacProfilemontoya.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Dr. [[Alex D. Montoya]] wrote:"The [[Christianity|Christian]] needs to befriend and witness to the homosexual with such [[love]], [[compassion]], and [[wisdom]] that such will respond to the saving [[grace]] of [[God]]."[http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj11h.pdf] ]]
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JohnZ, here is a quote from Conservapedia's flagship [[homosexuality]] article: "In his essay which examines the biblical passages regarding homosexuality, Pastor and Associate Professor of Pastoral Ministries at [[The Master's Seminary]] Dr. [[Alex D. Montoya]] states that 'The [[Christianity|Christian]] needs to befriend and witness to the homosexual with such [[love]], [[compassion]], and [[wisdom]] that such will respond to the saving [[grace]] of [[God]].'"[http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj11h.pdf]
JohnZ, I hope this helps clarifies Conservapedia's views on homosexuals.
By the way, have you read the article: [[Atheism and the supression of homosexuality]]?[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:39, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
:Aye, more stuff like that Montoya quote would probably be helpful. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 18:51, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
::Let me also share with you something a Pastor once said: "Marriage is by definition heterosexual. This is the definition of it...that doesn't mean we don't love our homosexual friends, we love them, we share Christ with them, but we do not affirm for them that what they have is by definition marriage, it is not. And it doesn't matter to me what the State eventually says." (This was before Obergefell v. Hodges, the second-worst act of legislating from the bench since Roe v. Wade.) Understand that the biblical definition of "love" is a DO, not a FEEL, that clarifies the often misunderstood verse of how God "loved Jacob but hated Isau" or how "the man that spares the rod hates his son, but the man who loves his son is careful to discipline him." [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:03, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that works, too. [[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] ([[User talk:JohnZ|talk]]) 19:08, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
=== Pro-homosexuality activist: Put this in your victimhood pipe and smoke it!!! ===
:You didn't capitalize "God" but you capitalized at the beginning of sentences. I'm blocking you for a week, for being incivil. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 16:43, 16 May 2019 (EDT)
==Shock therapy==
A citation is needed for the statement that [[shock therapy]] is a "scientifically proven method of homosexual conversion". Thank you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:47, June 29, 2021 (EDT)
==Cannot edit but here are two more links for substantiation==
While it seems that much any text from "After the Ball" has been expunged from the Internet, this page provides the text from "THE OVERHAULING OF STRAIGHT AMERICA" by Marshall Kirk and Erastes Pill: http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm showing the psychological tactics that the section of the CP article quotes from, but with the only link to the actual text at length being from from Google books, which only provides very brief excerpts.
Note also that the cited link www.parentsofgaychildren.org is no longer available at this time and needs to direct to https://web.archive.org/web/20180319222723/http://parentsofgaychildren.org/. I could normally do so (as a primary editor to the psychological tactics section of the article, but for some unexplained reason I am no longer allowed to do so, perhaps since I have not logged in for some time. Also, attempts to access or publish requires two tries, as Service Unavailable is the first.Daniel1212 20:19, December 17, 2022 (EST)
:The page is unlocked for editing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:28, December 17, 2022 (EST)
::Thanks but I see no references when I try to edit it, thus I cannot edit: parentsofgaychildren.org ''to'' https://web.archive.org/web/20180319222723/http://parentsofgaychildren.org). Maybe I could manually write an edit for the other link, but as of now it the page seems to be in a form of "safe mode." Sorry for not keeping up on things here. I do understand however, why this page would need to be locked, esp. this section (which I myself provided much to in the past, by God's grace, and have often linked to), since it is targeted, yet which page is due to the provocative pushing of LGBTQ propaganda. Daniel1212
==Admin HELP needed!!!==
After receiving no response to my post above on the inability to see or add any refs,as one of the main editors on this page I went ahead and did added the reference , expecting that the others I could not see would show up once saved. However, all is deleted except for the first section! I deleted nothing, and I tried Undo but it does not do so. So I copied the text in that section since I duplicated the tab before I tried to edit, and posted that, but once saved then no references are show. Please revert. Here is the recent archive version is that would help: https://web.archive.org/web/20221213223909/https://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Agenda Sorry for the mess, but something is wrong that you cannot edit correctly. Daniel1212 23:19, December 21, 2022 (EST)
:I'm not sure I understand the problem. I restored to the version before you started editing. Want to try again? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:26, December 21, 2022 (EST)
::Thank God you could restore it, since I could not. However, what I explained was that while I have edit access, when I open any section to do so, in particular Strategies and psychological tactics, then not footnotes are shown, meaning that anything such as this (from the page before opened up for editing:
::This includes the use of demonstrative protests, which appear to be designed to censure and intimidate those who oppose them in any way.[46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54][55][56][57] In addition, one pro-homosexual commentator recently took the homosexual community to task for being racist in their practice of homosexuality.[58] Another strategy used by supporters of the homosexual agenda is to publicly deny that such an agenda exists.[59]
::Results in this when opened up for editing:
::This includes the use of demonstrative protests, which appear to be designed to censure and intimidate those who oppose them in any way. In addition, one pro-homosexual commentator recently took the homosexual community to task for being racist in their practice of homosexuality. Another strategy used by supporters of the homosexual agenda is to publicly deny that such an agenda exists.
Thus all 13 footnotes are not shown when opened up for editing, and if I proceed to ad a ref then it results in the destructive data described under Admin Help needed. I suspect therefore that someone for some reason placed some sort of blocking on me [edit: yet I can see refs on other pages], or just on this page which is not simply unwarranted (as I am not any kind of vandal, but have been a main editor on the section at issue, and on some other articles in time past. User Conservative- if he is till here - can attest to this but it is also dangerous, as seen. Thus your help is appreciated. Daniel1212 12:41, December 23, 2022 (EST)
==Editing problem resolved==
Further investigation revealed that the same absence of references in edit mode also occurred in Wikipedia, thus pointing to the problem being on my end. Restarting Firefox with all extensions disabled resolved the issue, and thus I proceeded to restart normally and selectively disable a few extensions, and soon - but sadly - found the problematic one, for it was the Bible Previewer extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bible-previewer/?utm_source=addons.mozilla.org&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=search), which I really like, since it renders Bible references into visible popups! But somehow the coding for wikitext refs gets nuked. Since I also have that extension on the Chromium-based Vivaldi browser then the same issue occurred in that one. Thus I need to disable that extension on the browser I use for wiki editing, and will let the developer know of the issue.
Sorry for the confusion but thank God it is resolved. Daniel1212 09:48, December 30, 2022 (EST)
:I figgured something like that. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 13:05, December 30, 2022 (EST)