Talk:Essay: PZ Myers, is your wife an atheist?
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Bad taste AugustO 15:24, 28 November 2011 (EST)
Really?
Is this what passes for intellectual discussion on this site? --Mentoc 17:27, 28 November 2011 (EST)
- It's an "Essay:". On any other site, it would pass for "Fun:" or "Parody:". ~ JonG ~ 19:56, 28 November 2011 (EST)
- No, Mentoc, but it is all "Conservative" has done for the year I have been here. It is not fun or parody. It is more of "Conservative's" hateful attacks on people he disagrees with who are more prominent than he will ever be. Best to just walk away like I did and only come back when you have an idea to add to the encyclopedia part of the website. There is no community that is fun or nice to be part of and "Conservative" will only attack you too. Nate 09:54, 29 November 2011 (EST)
- That's the impression I get too. Conservative claims he makes these articles for the sake of humour, but it feels more like an excuse to make outlandish or abstract arguments against atheism, such as suggesting that their views make them bad at dancing, or that their weight issues demonstrate a lack of scientific knowledge. I find this article especially confusing. These prominent atheists having religious partners suggests that atheists and religious people can have friendly, loving and accommodating relationships with one another. But rather than dwell on that rather heart warming notion, he instead uses these relationships to suggest that atheists can't even convince their own wives to abandon religion. Apart from the obvious flaw in this argument (the wives haven't even been able to convince their own husbands either), this just seems like a sad, depressing way to regard relationships. Should Conservapedia really be providing these sorts of windows into the minds of its more essentric members? Maninahat 13:12. 29 November 2011 (EST)
- Maninahat, where have I ever said that weight issues demonstrate a lack of scientific knowledge or that atheism makes people to be bad dancers? Second, many atheists are constantly talking about how atheists are smarter, etc. The atheist David Silverman has a marketing degree and he is paid to market/sell atheism for the American Atheists organization. I just think it is humorous that he has been unable to close the sale in terms of his wife being atheist. :) Plus, Wired magazine did say that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged males and I do find the issue of the etiology of atheism to be interesting as do others. :) Lastly, PZ Myers and other New Atheists are constantly talking about how religion infects people's minds and makes them stupid or act stupid as can be seen HERE. I just think it would be funny if PZ Myers with his supposedly "healthy" and "unstupified" mind was unable to convince his wife that atheism was valid. By the way, has PZ Myers answered the other questions posed yet. :) I don't think so! Conservative 17:24, 29 November 2011 (EST)
- Does PZ Myers care what or even know of the questions you posed? I don't think so! MaxFletcher 17:28, 29 November 2011 (EST)
- Maninahat, where have I ever said that weight issues demonstrate a lack of scientific knowledge or that atheism makes people to be bad dancers? Second, many atheists are constantly talking about how atheists are smarter, etc. The atheist David Silverman has a marketing degree and he is paid to market/sell atheism for the American Atheists organization. I just think it is humorous that he has been unable to close the sale in terms of his wife being atheist. :) Plus, Wired magazine did say that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged males and I do find the issue of the etiology of atheism to be interesting as do others. :) Lastly, PZ Myers and other New Atheists are constantly talking about how religion infects people's minds and makes them stupid or act stupid as can be seen HERE. I just think it would be funny if PZ Myers with his supposedly "healthy" and "unstupified" mind was unable to convince his wife that atheism was valid. By the way, has PZ Myers answered the other questions posed yet. :) I don't think so! Conservative 17:24, 29 November 2011 (EST)
- That's the impression I get too. Conservative claims he makes these articles for the sake of humour, but it feels more like an excuse to make outlandish or abstract arguments against atheism, such as suggesting that their views make them bad at dancing, or that their weight issues demonstrate a lack of scientific knowledge. I find this article especially confusing. These prominent atheists having religious partners suggests that atheists and religious people can have friendly, loving and accommodating relationships with one another. But rather than dwell on that rather heart warming notion, he instead uses these relationships to suggest that atheists can't even convince their own wives to abandon religion. Apart from the obvious flaw in this argument (the wives haven't even been able to convince their own husbands either), this just seems like a sad, depressing way to regard relationships. Should Conservapedia really be providing these sorts of windows into the minds of its more essentric members? Maninahat 13:12. 29 November 2011 (EST)
- No, Mentoc, but it is all "Conservative" has done for the year I have been here. It is not fun or parody. It is more of "Conservative's" hateful attacks on people he disagrees with who are more prominent than he will ever be. Best to just walk away like I did and only come back when you have an idea to add to the encyclopedia part of the website. There is no community that is fun or nice to be part of and "Conservative" will only attack you too. Nate 09:54, 29 November 2011 (EST)
Mad Max, thank you for confirming that Atheism is madness :) Conservative 19:22, 29 November 2011 (EST)
- Back to accusing me of being an atheist again? Ho hum. MaxFletcher 19:32, 29 November 2011 (EST)
- Conservative, you said in this very essay:
- "Atheists purport to love science and last time I checked nutritional science, exercise science and medical science have many effective ways to prevent and solve the problem of being overweight. By the way Mr. Myers, why did 3 out of 5 the founders of the New Atheism movement have a problem with obesity (see: New Atheism leadership's problem with excess weight)? Is their purported love of science merely atheist window dressing?"
- That suggests you attribute their weight problems to a lack of understanding of nutritional, exercise and medical science, which in turn is used to suggest they don't really appreciate science. as for dancing (taken from your essay on "Penn Jillette's Walrus slide"):
- "When is the last time you heard an atheist dance song? Never. That is because atheism is such a bleak worldview filled with depressed atheists...The closest thing to Western atheist "culture" is atheist Ron Reagan Jr. dancing ballet which is very sad. Of course, the reason why Ron Reagan Jr. loves to engage in ballet dancing so much is because like all atheist men he lacks machismo...at least Penn Jillette knows that real men don't do ballet" .
- Though I'm tempted to go off on a tangent about the philistine views on male ballet, I'll just let those quotes speak for themselves.
- As for David Silverman, nowhere is it suggested that he was trying to convert his wife in the first place. Though I'm sure many atheists would like to see fewer religious people in the world, most of them will only go so far as to discuss the merits of atheism over religion, rather than actually looking to proselytise. Evidently, Mrs Silverman's beliefs matter little to Mr. Silverman (and vice versa), otherwise they would have probably never married. Maninahat 20:47, 29 November 2011 (EST)
Maninahat, are you a male atheist ballet dancer or do you prefer doing walrus slides like Penn Jillette? :) Conservative 22:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)
Join the dots...?
Conservative, much though I like the things you say (as in our previous Talk page discussions), I do sometimes find a bit hard to follow your logic sometimes. How do you get from atheism to not liking ponies? I don't quite follow all the connections. You gave me a great explanation last time I was puzzled by one of your articles so I'd really appreciate it if you could take the time to set out the steps in your argument here. Anyway, keep the good stuff coming! HollyS 19:48, 29 November 2011 (EST)
