Talk:El Paso Walmart shooting

This looks like a good write-up. Nice job, Rob!
However, might I suggest/request that you shy away from using the term "Shooter"? That term (which was popularized by the MSM) puts the emphasis on the tool, rather than the person using it. This is of course because they want to ban this kind tool in particular: guns. This is a mass murdered and quite possibly a psychopath, based on what I'm reading. Could we try to use alternative (and more accurate) terminology? Thanks! --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 12:54, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

Maybe "combatant"? --1990'sguy (talk) 13:20, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

I thought about this. "Gunman" seems too naked a term vulnerable to criticism from the anti-gun lobby. Perhaps leaving in "gunman" or "shooter" once in the Intro, then follow up everywhere else with "perpetrator"? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:28, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

"gun-man" implies that he is simply a man with a gun. Accordingly, it is therefore implied that a man with a gun is a villain and murderer. "Shooter" is simply a term for someone who shoots, whether it be bullets, arrows, crossbow bolts, or cannon balls. There is nothing inherently wrong with that role either, as it is again just a person using a tool. I don't want to be too knit-picky about this, but I don't particularly like either term. I suppose we could use "Shooter," as it is perhaps a slightly more neutral term, but even that doesn't seem ideal to me. I would prefer if we could focus on intent (murder) rather than tools used (a gun, in this case). In knife attacks, we don't call them "knifemen" we call that "attackers" or "killers." In acid attacks, we don't call them "Aciders," we call the attackers. Why are guns different somehow? --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 13:44, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

"combatant" is a more neutral term, but it implies two-way combat. From what I'm hearing, there was no combat here...it was just a slaughter. Too bad no one in the store was armed! I would in a way prefer that term, but it doesn't seem entirely accurate in this case. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 13:55, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

That's an idea. The "shooter" label is already in the page title. We could switch the Intro to "killer" and use "perpetrator" throughout elsewhere. Combatant, (IMO) implies two or more for a cause. This is a lone psychopath graduate of public high school who intermingles fallacies about the modern immigration debate (he doesn't seem to know the difference between legal and illegal immigration) with modern leftist and cultural Marxist rhetoric. This, of course, is no accident; schools and the MSM deliberately confuse discussion of legal vs illegal immigration, asylum seekers, refugees, etc. . RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:03, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

There is no way this perp can be linked to Trump. He makes clear he opposes LEGAL immigration in order to facilitate building a socialist society. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:08, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

Yes, he was clearly a bit confused about the facts, but that's not an unusual result of public education. I guess I'd be fine with doing it as you say--this looks fine. Also to be clear, I am certainly not saying all references to guns should be scrubbed...I would be fine with it saying, for example, "shot and killed 20 people." That is an accurate statement. Even if this stated what kind of gun was used (though I'm not sure that's relevant), that would be okay with me. I think you know what I mean through, so I'll stop rambling. Thanks! --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 16:35, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

Commie lib talking points are amazing. They claim Trump tweets encourage violence, then when you flip the subject to video games, suddenly each individual is responsible for their own actions. There's got to be a way to bring out that long-running hypocrisy, which didn't start here, in this article. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 23:20, 4 August 2019 (EDT)

Standard liberal Hypocrisy. By the way, am I mistaken, or has the Patrick Crasius entry on mylife been removed? Their site has been virtually unusable for me all day, so I can't be sure. It makes one wonder what is going on over there... --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:06, 5 August 2019 (EDT)

I haven't tried. But evidently the site is easy to hack. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 00:10, 5 August 2019 (EDT)