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:The Niagara Falls were created by the recession of glaciers during the last glacial period 12,000 years ago, as were the Great Lakes. The fact that creationists think that this is an argument against the old Earth is laughable. [[User:GlaciersYouIDiots|GlaciersYouIDiots]] ([[User talk:GlaciersYouIDiots|talk]]) 02:13, September 19, 2021 (EDT)
::And your evidence is ...??? [[Atheistic science]] is so circular in its reasoning.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 02:44, September 19, 2021 (EDT)
{{Warning collapse:::[https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/gsabulletin/article/79/7/889/6360/late-pleistocene-glacial-erosion-along-|reason=All criticism of the-niagara Here's your evidence], you dumbass denialistParty is banned. You could have easily found it yourself. Although it may require you Offenders will be sent to read through something without skimming, so I don't know if you can handle it. Also, banning people just because they poke holes in your arguments, shows how little you actually care about things such as the Freedom of Speechgulag. [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|You claim]] "Unlike Wikipedia, we do not block for ideological reasons", what a crock of shit. [[User:NotScaredOfScience|NotScaredOfScience]] ([[User talk:NotScaredOfScience|talk]]) 16:49, September 19, 2021 (EDT)|reason=Incivility
|content=:::[https://pubs.geoscienceworld.org/gsa/gsabulletin/article/79/7/889/6360/late-pleistocene-glacial-erosion-along-the-niagara Here's your evidence], you dumbass denialist. You could have easily found it yourself. Although it may require you to read through something without skimming, so I don't know if you can handle it. Also, banning people just because they poke holes in your arguments, shows how little you actually care about things such as the Freedom of Speech. [[Conservapedia:Guidelines|You claim]] "Unlike Wikipedia, we do not block for ideological reasons", what a crock of shit. [[User:NotScaredOfScience|NotScaredOfScience]] ([[User talk:NotScaredOfScience|talk]]) 16:49, September 19, 2021 (EDT)
::::Also, why do you dumbasses think artificially bred dogs are a rebuttal to the Earth being 4.5 billion years old? [[User:NotScaredOfScience|NotScaredOfScience]] ([[User talk:NotScaredOfScience|talk]]) 16:51, September 19, 2021 (EDT)
:::Relax. Take a deep breath. Exhale. Try to be coherent. Never heard of any of those people, and don't have a clue what you're rattling on about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:32, September 19, 2021 (EDT)
::::You do realize Google is a thing you ninny? And thanks for showing a first-grade level of reading comprehension. [[User:NotAKiller|NotAKiller]] ([[User talk:NotAKiller|talk]]) 20:38, September 19, 2021 (EDT)
:::::I'm really confused now. Is the argument that certain people were killed because of their views on Old Earth creation? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:46, September 19, 2021 (EDT):::::Also, it's not a good idea to undo the actions of Sysop. That can and likely may earn you sanctions. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 20:47, September 19, 2021 (EDT)People died because of lamebrains like you ignoring any science that went against a 4,000 year old fairy tale. Whether it's on climate change, queer issues, or medicine, nitwits ignoring science in favor of fairy tales always results in disaster. Try telling someone from Kiribati with a straight face that global warming isn't real when their houses are sinking underwater. Try telling any of the people mentioned above that being queer is a choice or a sin. Meanwhile, you don't even fucking acknowledge the existence of glaciers 12,000 years ago or the Great Basin. How am I supposed to take you seriously? I would laugh at you if it weren't for the fact that people are dying due to your denialist bullshit. [[User:NotAKiller|NotAKiller]] ([[User talk:NotAKiller|talk]]) 20:54, September 19, 2021 (EDT):Also, remember the point of this thread. None of you assholes have fucking acknowledged the evidence that glaciation created the Niagara Falls! You are all a bunch of lying, cheating, authoritarian dishonest denialist bastards! [[User:NotAKiller|NotAKiller]] ([[User talk:NotAKiller|talk]]) 20:57, September 19, 2021 (EDT):{ec} People died cause they believed in Old Earth creation. That, I assume is what you mean. You apparently intend to imply that they were murdered because they believe in Old Earth creation. Am I understanding this point correctly now?:Please reserve your anti-God rants for the appropriate page. Also, please refrain from namecalling, personal attacks, and bigotted generalisations. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>:Last warning on profanity and incivility. Too bad, cause according to WP, there has only been one hate crime prosecution for the murder of a homosexual ever. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:00, September 19, 2021 (EDT)::How am I the one being uncivil when you are the one trivializing the deaths of people? And you still aren't engaging with the evidence, but instead making a vague death threat. It's rich that you ask people to refrain from "bigotted generalisations" (you can't even fucking spell properly) when you have so many bigoted articles on queer people. Those people took their lives because of harassment from people like you, all because you take the words of a fucking fairytale over well-supported science. Yet when these people constantly die, you never take the hint. Maybe learn to have some fucking empathy and you wouldn't be such a stupid evil asshole. [[User:NotAKiller|NotAKiller]] ([[User talk:NotAKiller|talk]]) 21:09, September 19, 2021 (EDT):::So you are making the claim that people have been murdered, by Christians presumably, because they think the Earth is 40 billion years old? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:29, September 19, 2021 (EDT):::Bye. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 21:29, September 19, 2021 (EDT):You're so fucking stupid. ''Nobody'' believes the Earth is 40 billion years old, it's 4.6 billion, you dumbass. Also, you have a lower level of reading comprehension than a preschooler if you believe that is what I'm saying. Well, I guess that explains why you are a homophobic transphobic queerphobic denialist idiot. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 21:35, September 19, 2021 (EDT)::You've mastered profanity but your grasp of science, rather than [[atheistic science]], is less impressive!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 22:26, September 19, 2021 (EDT):::You do realize that that is not a fucking counterargument? Still none of you have disputed anything from my source. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 22:55, September 19, 2021 (EDT)::::Okay, Got all that. Now connect the dots between the age of the Earth, the depth of mountain lakes, and the suicide of gay teenagers, please. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 23:01, September 19, 2021 (EDT)::::[https://youtu.be/0Wi8Fv0AJA4 Times up]. Let me rephrase the question. If I blow my brains out because some people think the world is flat and I do not, do they have blood on their hands? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 01:29, September 20, 2021 (EDT)Because assholes like you ignore science that disagrees with your fairytale, you promote false science that can cause harm, including pseudoscientific narratives about homosexuality that result in the harassment and later suicide of many queer teenagers due to people who believe in the false narratives. Believing that the Earth is 600 years old is another such pseudoscientific belief. But back to the main points, which was that claiming the Niagara falls aren't older than 15,000 years is a fucking moronic argument even by the abysmal standards of YEC, since nobody believes that it is. Same with the Great Salt Lake, which is the way it is due to its location in the Great Basin, where no water flows to the ocean, which shows that there is no need for a flood to create such a lake. This is a basic fact that you are taught in the first fucking year of geology class, and it shows how low your standards are. I'll give you one bit of genuine advice, though: instead of starting with a conclusion (e.g. the universe is 6000 years old) and interpreting all evidence to fit said conclusion, start with the evidence (e.g. all the sediments, signs of erosion, etc.) and use that to come to a conclusion, as that is how science works. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 01:38, September 20, 2021 (EDT):And also you queerphobic dumbass, you do not equate years of harassment and nonacceptance because of who you are from everyone you know to someone disagreeing with you. The fact you think that homosexuality is an idea you can disagree with instead of a part of someone's identity like their sex, ethnicity, etc. which they are unable to change demonstrates that you fall into those pseudoscientific beliefs. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 01:38, September 20, 2021 (EDT)::As Trey Gowdy said to Peter Strzok, that's a good answer to a question nobody asked. Again now, if I blow my brains out cause you think I'm homophobic, although I know you are wrong, do you have blood on your hands? Now, please make some semblance of an effort to formulate your response logically and rationally. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup>You're still not fucking responding to what this was originally about, and the reference to queer teenagers was more about how it was hypocritical of you guys to ban me for supposed incivility. And the problems with your ignoramus comparison is number one you haven't been harassed for being homophobic and number two being homophobic isn't part of your identity. You fucking choose to be a fucking homophobic nincompoop, but you cannot fucking choose to be gay. Now go take your idiotic homophobic rhetoric back to the Westboro Baptist Church. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]):Okay, let's begin at the beginning. Early up I said profanity, incivility, and bigotted generalizations don't further or clarify anything you are talking about. Secondly, I did not block you, on the contrary, I allowed you to spew your unscientific venom and hate here for the past several hours. Thirdly, I made no such claims about anything you are talking about. I appeared here as a Moderator, and have attempted to persuade you to engage in rational discussion and argument. Fourthly, your leap from discussing the age of the earth to making accusations about users here being responsible for suicides is patently absurd, and you have been asked several times to explain what on God's green earth you are talking about. Fifthly you apparently have some anger directed at God. Sixthly, you apparently transfer your anger toward God to your fellow creatures. :Now, let's leave aside the question of connecting the dots between mountain lakes, the suicide of teenagers, and the age of the earth, for the time being. Is there any one of those particular subjects you would like to discuss? Remember, this is the Old Earth talk page. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:23, September 20, 2021 (EDT)So you're still fucking not fucking talking about the fucking problems with this fucking article that I fucking keep bringing up (and you still can't fucking spell "bigoted"). And obviously, I don't fucking hate God, that would be as fucking pointless as hating fucking unicorns, but I do fucking hate homophobic bigots like you. I put up a source that was published in a fucking public journal that details why we know that the Niagara Falls were formed by glaciers and you still have not fucking engaged with it, preferring to ask fucking stupid questions only brought up by a fucking bad faith reading of my fucking posts. If you don't want to be fucking responsible for queer suicides then delete all your fucking articles on homosexuality that are all so fucking bigoted. Saying the word fuck won't fucking kill anyone but fucking promoting the fucking lie that you can fucking choose to be gay will. Fuck you. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 02:34, September 20, 2021 (EDT):Alright, how you link Niagra Falls to homophobia is anybody's guess. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 02:48, September 20, 2021 (EDT) :So, let me distill the scientific facts we've learned from this discussion: Niagra Falls, being somewhere between 15,000 years and 4.6 billion years old, is not responsible for the suicides of gay teenagers. Is this an accurate summary? Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 03:04, September 20, 2021 (EDT)Read the fucking scientific journal I linked, dumbass, and then you'll know how old the Niagara Falls are and how they were formed. Also, apparently you still don't fucking know what the Great Basin is. [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 13:50, September 20, 2021 (EDT):Nah, don't think so. I generally stick to rational science and argument, and you have utterly failed to convince anyone you are capable to discern what rational science is. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:14, September 20, 2021 (EDT)::You do realize that's not a fucking counterargument? Explain the flaws in the methodology of the study I linked if you want to disprove it, dumbass. You do not just fucking dismiss it out of hand because "oh no, it might expose me to new ideas, how horrible!" Under our current understanding of the Earth, we can understand how earthquakes and volcanoes work and where they are likely to appear. What the fuck can your creationist "science" predict? [[User:ActualSmartPerson|ActualSmartPerson]] ([[User talk:ActualSmartPerson|talk]]) 19:24, September 20, 2021 (EDT):::I can't believe you're senselessly raging over a mere internet debate basically everyone else can keep their cool on. You remind me of a few lunatics over at RationalWiki. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="color:black; background:#FFABAB">'''LT'''</span></code>]]'''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|<sup>May D.C., his mother, and I.S. be all well!</sup>]]''''' Monday, 19:30, September 20, 2021 (EDT)::If the recommendation to read a certain article in a certain publication came from a rational person, I might consider it. All you've done is convince me it's a waste of time. Worse case scenario, I may end up having thought processes and patterns similar to your own. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 19:35, September 20, 2021 (EDT)Just because someone speaks in a you that you don't fucking like doesn't mean they're irrational. People who swear are fucking happier, after all. And fucking smarter too, for they at least know what the fucking Great Basin is unlike you cretins. And if you had thought processes similar to mine, at least you wouldn't be a homophobic asshole cunt. [[User:Earth's4.5*10^9Years|Earth's4.5*10^9Years]] ([[User talk:Earth's4.5*10^9Years|talk]]) 20:33, September 20, 2021 (EDT)}}
== Really? ==
:Everything declines over time due to the [[Second Law of Thermodynamics]], and 1 billion years of decline would not be pretty.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:32, 13 February 2020 (EST)
== Other Examples of Premature Graying ==
I do not seem to have permission to edit the article, but could Ethan Klein of h3h3 and Claire Saffitz of Condé Nast be added as premature grayers? [[User:Ethan Parmet|Ethan Parmet]] ([[User talk:Ethan Parmet|talk]]) 23:08, July 21, 2022 (EDT)
== Chimpanzee Statistics ==
The source in the genetics section for chimpanzees being more genetically distinct than humans is not cited. Can someone please add in this original source below?
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2012-03-02-chimps-show-much-greater-genetic-diversity-humans
[[User:Ethan Parmet|Ethan Parmet]] ([[User talk:Ethan Parmet|talk]]) 23:11, July 21, 2022 (EDT)
:I added your superb citation. I also unlocked the entry so you can edit it. I'm not familiar with the individuals you mention above so I did not make that proposed edit in the entry.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 00:14, July 22, 2022 (EDT)
::Thank you very much! [[User:Ethan Parmet|Ethan Parmet]] ([[User talk:Ethan Parmet|talk]]) 14:31, July 22, 2022 (EDT)
== Reference 34 ==
I updated reference 34 to be an archive.org version of the link, as the original one didn't seem to be working anymore. [[User:Ethan Parmet|Ethan Parmet]] ([[User talk:Ethan Parmet|talk]]) 20:26, September 15, 2022 (EDT)
