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Talk:Classroom prayer

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==The human rights aspect==
 
I deleted the [[:category:Human rights]] tag, because it implies that "Teacher-led, state-sanctioned prayer" was a human right - or a matter of [[human rights]]. I think this obscures the issue at best, and could even be a liberal caricature of conservative positions. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:11, 21 January 2011 (EST)
 
:I'm not really sure what you are trying to say. But you're the expert, not me :)--[[User:AnthonyDW|AnthonyDW]] 13:13, 21 January 2011 (EST)
 
::Before applying the tag, I'd like to see the article clarify just what "[[classroom prayer]]" means. In general, it ought to mean ''any prayer in a classroom''. As such, it should be covered by 2 parts of America's [[First Amendment]]: [[freedom of speech]], as well as [[freedom of religion]].
 
::On the other hand, state-sanctioned prayer implies that students might have to say "Amen" to a prayer which violates the [[Establishment Clause]]. Suppose a Muslim teacher prays an Islamic prayer, and requires each student to kneel prostrate on a carpet facing Mecca? (An extreme case, admittedly, but what I'm trying to say is that I don't think it's commonly held by conservatives that '''all''' teachers have an unlimited right to "lead their classes" in prayer. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 13:19, 21 January 2011 (EST)
 
== A right? ==
 
Is classroom prayer a right? I believe that prayer, education, and free speech are rights, and Classroom prayer is merely the union of those three rights, so logically is it not a right (despite what the [[Liberal]]s want) as well? --[[User:AnthonyDW|AnthonyDW]] 13:12, 21 January 2011 (EST)
 
The majority of arguments for school sanctioned prayer that are mentioned here is, in my opinion, hypocritical. In a hypothetical situation, if school sanctioned prayer were to be made legal again, and, say, a Wiccan teacher lead a class prayer, it would likely make the news, in which case the members of Conservapedia would probably give the situation a name (such as, "The Wiccan Indoctrination Fiasco") and then proceed to push for either religious discrimination against Wiccans or the re-establishment of the "no school-sanctioned prayer allowed" law. --X. Dulks
 
== A liberal's point of view ==
Tbh I only came here to debate conservatives, but anyways,
You guys dont actually think that the country should sponsor enforced school prayer, right? In any context forcing classroom prayer isn't a good idea, because, obviously, religious minorities exist and they deserve the right not to pray to a god/gods they don't believe exist. And also on the topic of teachers leading school prayer, I am obviously against that as well for the reasons I already mentioned. The only way in which I would support class prayer is in the context of a student's right to pray to themselves in a session not lead by any staff.
:So it is the non-believing, atheistic, liberal minority who has to force his religious beliefs on the rest of the class, is that what your saying? Ironic, isn't it. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 20:40, 7 September 2016 (EDT)
::Personally I'm an atheist and I know you guys want to kill us all but not having a state-sanctioned classroom prayer isn't forcing our evil atheist communist nazist agenda on the rest of his class. Not having a classroom prayer isn't bigotry against Christians, it is simply equality for people of all religion. Secularism and militant atheism are two different things; a militant atheist teacher would try to force his atheism on his class, while one who believes in secularism (the USA is a secular state by the way) would just not have any prayer at all. I'm okay with class prayers in inherently religion-based schools though, but in terms of the average secular public school, I wouldn't.
:::The only thing you said correctly is your admitting you have an "evil atheist communist nazist agenda", and based on your repeated creation of user names involving the N-word, I would have to emphasize your racist "nazist" side of your character. Figures. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 09:32, 10 September 2016 (EDT)
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