==Opinion from a Christian==
After skimming through these discussions, I can't believe the arguments going on and which are not going on. I enjoy conservapedia, and always check for an
article here first, and go to Wikipedia if I cannot find it here. I was telling my friend at work (She's a Christian female also) two days ago about this site as a great
Wikipedia alternative in response to a question she had, and was rudely interrupted by another of our coworkers (this ones NOT a Christian, he's a liberal smart
aleck immature boy in his 20s) who shouted "Conservapedia? HAH have you seen their page calling non-christians fat? Not sure if that's going to pass as a
Scholarly source" or something similar to that. He then pulled up this page and started reading it out loud. I have never been so embarrassed in my life. Fat jokes?
I skimmed and found the main argument on this page concerning studies and whether it's true or not, but do I really have to explain this?
It doesn't matter whether or not it's true, because considering the number of people in both groups (millions of Christians! Even atheists I'm sure are 100,000 in the
US. There are going to be a whole lot of obese Christians, thin Christians, obese atheists, and thin atheists. The immature kid at my work is thinner than I am,
which is natural considering the sample sizes involved. Even if it's true, that means that in real life situations the reverse will happen (the atheist coworker would be
fatter than me) slightly more often. Well in case the person or persons who made this page are so out of touch from Christians in the real world, it makes us seem
petty and childish calling the fat guy fat! And in the 40% or whatever times that the Christian is fatter than the atheist (my situation at work), it makes us seem
petty, childish, and just wrong because the fat girl is calling the skinny guy fat ! What purpose is this page supposed to serve other than being embarrassing?
I'll spell this out even simpler: two situations. Situation 1: Fat atheist, the article seems true, and the fat atheist gets sympathy bc Christians are making fun of his
weight. Situation 2: Skinny atheist, and Christians putting forth this site as a better alternative to Wikipedia looks delusional.
Until this filth is removed i will most certainly not be putting my personal recommendation (and by extension, reputation) to this site. So angry, it feels like my son
back in middle school when I'd get calls from his teacher and I'd have to apologize for his behaving like 2 year old in class. NOT Christian-like and NOT helpful -Patty
Those are some very interesting poll findings! I have not seen those reported or discussed ANYWHERE in the media, thanks for getting them out there. Hopefully many people will now realize the dangers of choosing an atheistic lifestyle. PS I really enjoy the satires based on these findings. There very funny but also deliver a very serious message.
What's with this article? I'm an atheist, I'm 5' 9", 160 pounds, I bike to school almost every day, I eat healthy food, I hike, I work out from time to time and I know at least a couple of other atheist (I don't know many people all together) who have similar life styles. What gives? [[User:JamesTimmons|JamesTimmons]] 23:04, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:JamesTimmons, why didn't you cite the journal articles and other relevant data in the article. That should have put the matter to rest. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:21, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
:::James, are you familiar with the concept of "sample size"? Assuming "a couple" means two, as it does in proper American English, you know three people who are supposedly atheists. '''Thousands''' identify as atheists. Is three out of thousands really a sample size worthy of any consideration? (Especially coming from an online anonymous source of school-going age) ???--ADW
I'm not changing the article here, so I don't need any outside sources for anything I've said here, I'm just stating an observation. [[User:JamesTimmons|JamesTimmons]] 23:11, 1 January 2011 (EST)
Given Conservapedia's dedication to providing information that is as accurate as possible, I'm sure that someone in control of this article will make the necessary corrections. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Tylero|Tylero]] 16:54, 6 January 2011 (EST)
::::Fixed. I wrote: While many [[Western World|Western]] atheists are non-religious, not all non-religious people are atheists. I did this to avoid the contentious debate on whether Western atheism is a religion. I believe it can be easily argued that Western atheism is a religion and that is probably going to be incorporated in the atheism article at a future date. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 22:48, 7 January 2011 (EST)
User: JamesTimmons, the article has been expanded and now looks at regional data (irreligious countries), generational data and a number of studies related to religion/irreligion obesity/health/behavior (self-discipline, etc.). In addition, the list of notable atheists who are overweight/obese has been greatly expanded. There is now an embarrassment of riches showing that the atheist/irreligious population has a significant problem with obesity/excess weight.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:08, 2 March 2019 (EST)
== The elephant in the room ==
I just read through nearly half of this article and fact-checked every claim it made, and there wasn't so much as one single error. To whoever the authors are, this is quite the article!--[[User:AnthonyDW|AnthonyDW]] 18:27, 19 January 2011 (EST)
:[[Martin Luther]], the founder of Protestantism, tacked his 95 thesis onto the doors of the Castle Church in Wittenberg. Conservapedia has its list of 82 prominent overweight/obese atheists plus it provided multiple lines of evidence that the atheist population has a significant problem of obesity within its ranks!!!!! These 82 prominent atheists are prominent both in stature within the atheists population and prominent in girth as well! And this is despite the fact that atheists have no holiday season that features eggnog and cookies. [[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 04:31, 25 December 2019 (EST)
== Daniel Dennett and coronary bypass surgery ==
Picture of overweight Daniel Dennett: http://www.flickr.com/photos/7230309@N05/3708479160/ Daniel Dennett and coronary bypass surgery: http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dennett06/dennett06_index.html
:In 2015, [[Richard Dawkins]] published a YouTube video where he told an obviously overweight Daniel Dennett who recently had coronary artery bypass surgery, "It is amazing seeing you so fit...".[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVm8bdJNyMA Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett- On Death]
:Sad![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:18, 1 January 2020 (EST)
== Stephen Fry ==
:::The Gallup people used a random dialer and had a much larger sample size. I read some place online that the primary places the NorthWestern participants came from was the cities of Chicago, Minneapolis, Birmingham, Alabama and Oakland, California. I am primarily interested in whether the researchers took into account income and education. It does appear as if they might not had enough geographical diversity. The study seems big city oriented if the reports of the cities and the study are true. That certainly could make a difference. For example, at an upscale suburban church they might have a booth for premium coffee, fruit, and fruit smoothies after a service while at a less well heeled church they could be serving donuts and coffee after the service. Martyp, since there appears to be some new atheist editors at Conservapedia who take exception to the Conservapedia [[atheism and obesity]] article, I have a feeling that they might attempt to present the actual study. In the meantime, I am going to attend to some personal matters. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 22:48, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
=== NorthWestern U study new data ===
Here is what I read before:
Eric, what is truly childish is you trying to compare the [[atheism and obesity|enormous Gallup study in terms of sample size and geographic diversity in the United States]] (a study which used [[Generalized linear model]] analysis with very relevant variables) and [[atheism and obesity|other data Conservapedia has brought forth]] and you trying to show equivalency with your much smaller NorthWestern University study. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 16:05, 19 April 2011 (EDT)
:And addition reason occurred to me why the NorthWestern U study is suspect and why the abundant data I cited in the article is a more accurate picture of the current state of affairs. It appears that they picked poor inner city churches in the USA. Research indicates that a lower socioeconomic status is related to higher rates of obesity.[http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity#cite_note-60] Therefore, the overall culture/practices of those churches would tend to be more prone to obesity inducing practices (donuts after church instead of a yuppie, suburban church juice bar; fatty foods at frequent church gatherings, etc. etc. Please see the very relevant [http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/4490719-460/religion-and-obesity-study-links-church-and-being-fat.html comments of Courtney Parker above] related to church gatherings in his particular city. So even if the researchers tried to use regression analysis to limit the effect of an individual's socioeconomic status as far as the overall analysis, the overall cultural practices of the inner city churches they seemed to predominantly pick would still creep in.
:Plus, most Christians are not in the Western World and quite slim plus I cited a wealth of other data such as researchers finding that religious faith increases a person's amount of self-control, the Gallup data, religious people living longer, etc. etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:40, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
==Additional content==
While I feel obesity is a Western culture phenom, there are many more examples of obese atheists to add. Try a search for celebrity atheists and you'll be quite surprised. --[[User:Jpatt|Jpatt]] 22:31, 20 April 2011 (EDT)
:As the East gains more access to process processed food via global markets and gains in prosperity, obesity is spreading to the East as can be seen in this report on India.[http://hindu.com./2007/10/12/stories/2007101260940600.htm] However, unlike atheists, Christians have lots of songs including dance music. Indian Christian dancers seem to be fairly immune to obesity. Please see: [[Essay: Penn Jillette's walrus slide vs. thin Indian Christian lady dancers|Penn Jillette's walrus slide vs. thin Christian lady dancers]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:16, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
== Relation to obesity ==
== My intentions. ==
This was supposed to be a message to user:conservative but I cannot edit his page for some reason so I'll mention it here. I am a Christian and have been interested in learning more about creationism (which is how I found Conservapedia). However I find your obesity and atheism series to be purile at best. This is no indictment of you ''as a person'', conservative, merely that I think this is the wrong way to attack atheism. Let us fight on what we '''know''' are the logic failings of atheism insteadx instead of sneering about a biologist that appears slightly overweight. Remembering that the latest statistics state nearly half of the population in the US are overweight....as far as I know atheists are in the minority in the US hence obesity afflicts people ''indescriminate'' of religious belief (yes, I classify atheism as a religious belief). Let us have an intellectual victory, this isn't a beauty contest. I am hoping to create a rebuttal essay, my intentions are to bring forward a dissenting view. Please feel free to engage me in debate or throw any questions my way. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 00:56, 28 May 2011 (EDT)::MaxFlethcher, what makes you think that the [[User: Conservative]] account is edited by merely one person? No true skeptic believes this. Second, you provided no evidence that this article is an attack on atheism. Obesity is an important societal problem in the Western World and in many other parts of the world. This article provides data that help people better understand the issue of [[Atheism and obesity]] and it cites data from a wide variety of relevant sources. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:13, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
:A helpful tip. I would recommend using the Firefox browser to edit Conservapedia as it has a spelling checker which would aid you in the spelling of words such as puerile. Second, the Conservapedia atheism article describes atheism and related matters (effects, causes, prominent figures current in atheism and atheist history, etc.). I realize that some people may become upset if reality "attacks" atheism, however. Next, is [http://www.flickr.com/photos/cfimi/5244769742/ this picture] a picture of someone slightly overweight? Next, how do you know that different worldviews affect rates of obesity equally? For example, the very religious, the moderately religious, the irreligious and atheists? Next, I realize that certainly people may crave intellectual victories because they: always lose in chess/Go/Othello/Risk/Monopoly; always lose their debates with spouses/girlfriends/boyfriends and in-laws; always come up on the short end of the stick in negotiations; are in intellectually unfulfilling occupations; have trouble figuring out how their computers and remote controls work; can't figure out how to get their dog to listen to them, etc. Yet, I am very content creating descriptive article content. Now it is true that I have posted some material on non-article pages such as my User page/talk pages/satire/essay pages, etc. which alluded to/mentioned victory/defeat in a good-natured/humorous manner (exultant matador, wildfires, etc.) which some people enjoyed. Yet, after all is said an done, in articles I present meaningful information concerning a matter and endeavor to do so in a relevant manner. [[User:Conservative|conservative]] 04:30, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::I am not sure how to respond as you veer pretty far off topic. The Gallup survey cited does not mention atheism and there is no correlation as far as I can see. As stated above half the US population is overweight yet only about 9% are atheist so the numbers don't match. Atheism has many failings but being more prone to obesity isn't one of them and making snide attacks towards PZ Myers, for example, does not advance our cause. I don't really want this to be a debate. I will create my own essay (might take me awhile though as it is rare I get much time to write such things) and you may respond on it's talkpage when complete. Thanks, [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 16:46, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
::::The survey you linked to says that 12% of Americans are atheists, so I don't think it exactly supports you. As it happens 12% ties in with the figure of 13% that I've seen in several other places and I have to say it seems credible. Atheism IS gaining ground in the USA, although it's nowhere near as bad as it is in Europe yet, which makes it all the more important that Conservapedia becomes a high-quality educational resource. No offence, but given the effort that's been put into pointless themes like obesity and atheism (which, even if true, proves exactly nothing about the validity of atheism) what could those man-hours have achieved if directed towards creating good, solid articles on scientific or social issues? --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 19:04, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Hi Sam, I gave up my intentions in trying to help Conservative with this. This entire article is predicated on a survey that doesn't mention either Obesity nor Atheism. Despite bringing this up numerous times Conservative has yet to address this problem and has made it abundantly clear that trying to discuss anything with him only leads to one being insulted, accusesations of not being a Christian followed by having to wade through paragraphs and paragraphs of non-sequiters. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:10, 13 September 2011 (EDT)
Max, I also agree with these quotes:
*"In all fighting, the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory. In battle, there are not more than two methods of attack – the direct and the indirect; yet these two in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn. It is like moving in a circle – you never come to an end. Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?" - [[Sun Tzu]]
*"Indirect tactics, efficiently applied, are inexhaustible as Heaven and Earth, unending as the flow of rivers and streams; like the sun and moon, they end but to begin anew; like the four seasons, they pass away to return once more." - Sun Tzu
*"So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak." - Sun Tzu (I do realize that the atheist worldview has no strengths, but has plenty of weaknesses.)
"Do not repeat the tactics which have gained you one victory, but let your methods be regulated by the infinite variety of circumstances." - Sun Tzu
Furthermore, an argument could be made that my past efforts in relation to criticizing atheism were successful whereas others were not as successful. Before the [[Elevatorgate]] controversy, which involved a very big schism between feminist atheists and non-feminist atheists within the [[atheist movement]] which has died (See:[[Decline of the atheist movement]]), my material was quoted by the prominent feminist publication Ms. Magazine. Prior to Elevatorgate, [[Monica Shores]]' 2010 ''Ms. Magazine'' article titled ''Will “New Atheism” Make Room For Women?'' criticized the News Atheism movement for being [[sexism|sexist]].<ref name="msmagazine.com">[http://msmagazine.com/blog/2010/11/01/will-new-atheism-make-room-for-women/ ''Will “New Atheism” Make Room For Women''] by Monica Shores, ''Ms. Magazine'', 2010</ref> She also cited [[Conservapedia]] in her article and indicated: "The lack of lady presence is so visible that Conservapedia commented on it by noting that [[Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science website|Dawkins’ website]] overwhelmingly attracts male visitors."<ref name="msmagazine.com"/>
The Elevatorgate controversy has been called the "day that the atheist movement died".[https://www.conservapedia.com/Elevatorgate#The_day_Elevatorgate_occurred_has_been_called_the_day_the_atheist_movement_died] So it could be argued that I played a part in some degree in causing the death of the atheist movement. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:32, February 8, 2023 (EST)
=== Notes ===
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==My suggestions==
::::::::::::::::::::::::::So, all your information comes from a few online atheists? Without statistics, you have nothing. Should I add that I, who does not believe in any deities or supernatural forces, am not fat? Where does that leave your careful analysis? Or are you just cherry picking? Because I can name overweight Christians pretty easily too (off the top of my head: Bill Donahue, John Hagee and his son; Jack Chick is pretty burly looking; various self-professed Christians not involved in preaching such as Joe Barton, Newt Gingrich, Michael Steele, and the late Jerry Fallwell).--[[User:CamilleT|CamilleT]] 22:49, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
"Conservative", answer two simple and direct questions simply and directly. No more of your deflection. Show me where in the essay your "non-Gallup" data supports a correlation between atheism and obesity. Show me where the Gallup poll supports the specific conclusion that atheists are obese. I'll give you a hint, and this time I'm flat out calling you a liar if you give another ridiculous non-response: it's not in there. Your campaign to slander your opponents however childishly and dishonestly you can is casting this website in disrepute. For one of the few times in a year I did a google search for Conservapedia and specifically the rubbish you call articles. You in particular get overwhelmingly negative attention, even from Christians and conservatives. Please desist before you bring more shame to our doorstep. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 23:18, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::NateK, given your comment about wanting to punch someone in the nose (someone trained in a martial art who you couldn't hit in the nose if you wanted to), you are hardly in a position to lecture on decorum! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:08, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
== Via several weird redirected talk pages... ==
Do I expect the situation to change? No. Obesity is a too-easily-applied ''ad hominem'', and it appears there is much enjoyment here on CP in using it. But you should '''''strongly''''' consider arguing the ''issues'' (atheism, homosexuality, feminism, etc. and so forth) instead of taking the easy way out and attacking the person. It's the grown-up thing to do. --[[User:SharonW|SharonW]] 15:28, 22 September 2011 (EDT)
::I recently helped an atheist/agnostic businesswoman with a long standing problem that negatively affected her business (She maintains she is an atheist, but admitted she cannot categorically declare that God does not exist. See: [[Attempts to dilute the definition of atheism]]). I did not charge her for the assistance either. She was very grateful for my assistance and I don't regret helping her. I have no personal animosity towards atheists. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:03, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
== Might be of interest ==
:::::That's about it. That is all you can ever hope to get. Why? Because he's not interested in sharing, comparing, and contrasting ideas in a thoughtful manner. Nope, he just wants to ridicule and frustrate people. There's a word for that... rhymes with roll... mole? coal? Anyway, good luck. --[[User:SteveK|SteveK]] 01:04, 29 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Pardon the puns, but I am only interested in debating the "big cheeses" within the atheist community and not the "small fries". :) I challenged the overweight atheist [[Penn Jillette]] to debate me, but he ran away which no doubt caused him to be out of breathe. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:46, 22 January 2012 (EST)SteveK, I just found out that John J. Pasquini, Th.D., cited my Conservapedia [[atheism]] articles three times in his book'' Atheist Persona: Causes and Consequences'' (the book has 77 footnotes and cites Conservapedia atheism articles in footnotes 34, 64 and 67).[http://books.google.com/books?id=OMRhAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=conservapedia+atheism&source=bl&ots=XoulnSQ90x&sig=_1xyC3wiZtD9ihYXVljTugA2tGk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pL_3U72vB4r6oQTGg4HwCQ&ved=0CGsQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=conservapedia%20atheism&f=false] The book was favorably reviewed by [[Michael Behe]] (a leading proponent of [[intelligent design]] theory), [[Paul Vitz]] and [[Michael Egnor]] (also a proponent of intelligent design) and was published by the academic publisher University Press of America.[http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/atheist-persona-john-j-pasquini/1117916966?ean=9780761863328] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 01:19, 24 August 2014 (EDT)
==Bad Info==
:It seems that your belief is just one amongst a lot more influential factors when it comes to personal appearance.
:[[User:AugustO|AugustO]] 03:27, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
::AugustO, the Mosaic diet does not lead to obesity. See the [https://www.google.com/search?q=ultra-orthodox+jews&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=91idU-PwH8OzyASG1IGgBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=504 Google image search for ultra-orthodox Jews] Slim! Jesus, Moses, Elijah, Peter, and Paul were slim! I rest my case! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:29, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
== Richard Dawkins ==
:I don't want to indulge [[User:Conservative]] any more than I absolutely have to, but making a claim about an individual's diet 2000 years ago based on (what appear to be) cultural norms is fallacious and entirely speculative. For one, my guess would be that polytheists, in general, would also have a similar diet. By your argument, Christians are obese because Christian Americans eat fatty food (see the gallery above). [[User:GregG|GregG]] 00:12, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
:I forgot to add that it's really not fair to compare average weights of people in societies over 2000 years old (when starvation and food production are major issues) and today (where we have significantly increased our food production capacity; very few first-world people are starving to death). [[User:GregG|GregG]] 00:14, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
Greg, I have some modern pictures of ultra-orthodox Jews to offer as evidence that the Mosaic diet does not lead to obesity. See the [https://www.google.com/search?q=ultra-orthodox+jews&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=91idU-PwH8OzyASG1IGgBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=504 Google image search for ultra-orthodox Jews] Slim! Jesus, Moses, Elijah, Peter, and Paul were slim! I rest my case! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:49, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
::GregG, why don't you ask [[William Lane Craig]] to debate someone on this topic. If he thinks it is a serious topic, I am sure he will hold a debate on this matter. I hope you will forgive me for saying this, but I have my doubts Craig is going to hold a debate about this topic. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 00:34, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
:::I was wondering [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]. You quite rightly, in my opinion, have a dislike of obese people - especially atheists. Are you willing to reveal the weight of the collective known as [[User:Conservative|Conservative]]? Personally I am 5 foot 10 inches and weigh (currently) 14 stone. What do you (and/or your respective contributors) weigh. If you are unwilling to reveal the number of members of your collective (a somewhat socialist concept I must say) then an average weight will do if you are willing to provide it. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 10:42, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
<nowiki>[[File:Sun Tzu portrait.jpg|thumbnail|right|200px|"Subtle! Subtle! They become formless. Mysterious! Mysterious! They become soundless. Therefore, they are the masters of the enemy's fate." - [[Sun Tzu]] ]]</nowiki>
::::David, do you understand the difference between fact and opinion? You certainly have provided no proof and evidence that I/we dislike obese people - none! :) Secondly, within reason people rightly like others who stick to their guns on matters and prior to User:Conservative's material on obesity and the atheism/homosexuality, User: Conservative did say that no identifying information would be give on us/me. :) Of course, it goes without saying that this policy will continue. :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:08, 30 June 2012 (EDT)
::::'''PHARISEES:''' One way the Pharisees attacked Jesus was by calling him a glutton. Do you think they were right or justified to do so? How do your accusations of gluttony, used to attack atheists and homosexuals, differ from the Pharisees' attacks on Jesus, if at all? What do you think was the Pharisees' basis for being against gluttony? Would it have been scriptural? Would it have been justified? How would it have differed, if at all, from your own scriptural basis? Is it possible that you have followed the same process as the Pharisees in arriving at your own views about gluttony?--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:16, 3 July 2012 (EDT)
CPalmer, the Mosaic diet does not lead to obesity. See the [https://www.google.com/search?q=ultra-orthodox+jews&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=91idU-PwH8OzyASG1IGgBw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=504 Google image search for ultra-orthodox Jews] Slim! Jesus, Moses, Elijah, Peter, and Paul were slim! I rest my case! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:29, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
:CPalmer, the Apostle Paul wrote: "Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and they glory in their shame, with minds set on earthly things." (Philippians 3:19)
:As far as the sin of gluttony, it is a sin. A sin is a big deal to God. That is why Jesus dies on the cross. And unrepentant sinners will go to Hell. By the way, have you seen [https://drawception.com/panel/drawing/ukW73336/fat-people-go-to-h-e-l-l/ THIS]?!!![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:36, 25 February 2019 (EST)
==Article Structure==
:::There are a number of topics within and related to the atheism and obesity such as irreligion and irrationality (see: [[Irreligion and superstition]]). Some of the causes of obesity are neuroticism, impulsiveness, anger and lower self-discipline issues (see: [[Atheism and obesity]]). Of course, these causes of obesity are also related to irrationality and God-hating. See also: [[Causes of atheism]]). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:03, 24 September 2012 (EDT)
== Unlock this page please ==
I have material to add--[[User:JerryCa|JerryCa]] 01:20, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
:Please clarify. And if it is a study, have the study have a large data set, be well-designed and control for important variables such as socioeconomic factors.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 08:56, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
::Do I have to justify my postings to you? Surely the very concept of a wiki is to combine resources. I wanted to add some obese atheists but if you do not want help forget it.--[[User:JerryCa|JerryCa]] 17:08, 6 April 2014 (EDT)
:::JerryCa, I am not worried about a shortage of prominent, obese atheists featured in the article. The article features a robust collection of prominent, obese atheists. But feel free to make suggestions on the talk page of the article in the latter part of 5/2019 when your block expires.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:55, 15 June 2014 (EDT)
== Mention the Book of Daniel, the scientific experiment in Daniel with a control group and the Daniel diet plan ==
Mention the Book of Daniel, the scientific experiment in Daniel with a control group and the Daniel diet plan mentioned [http://users.adam.com.au/bstett/BObesity155.html HERE]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:14, 9 October 2014 (EDT)
== Kim Jong-un ==
You can add this: "[http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2014/05/08/2014050801606.html N.Korean Leader Getting Fatter]." Tha man's immoral behavior may be causing him to find solace in exessive eating. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] 04:15, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
:Upon your request, I added it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:26, 10 October 2014 (EDT)
==Erasmus Darwin==
Corpulent Grandad Erasmus died when Charles Darwin was a little boy. Please explain how he was an evolutionist. It's like saying my grandfather (who died when I was a little boy) worked with wood and was interested in classical music. [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] 01:52, 26 October 2014 (EDT)
:AlanE, Charles Darwin wasn't the first person to promote evolutionary ideas. Evolutionary ideas were taught by the ancient Greeks as early as the 7th century B.C.[https://answersingenesis.org/theory-of-evolution/evolutionary-naturalism-an-ancient-idea/]
:Second, as far as the Erasmus Darwin/evolutionist issue, please read this article: [http://creation.com/darwinism-it-was-all-in-the-family Darwinism: it was all in the family: Erasmus Darwin’s famous grandson learned early about evolution]. Furthermore, Erasmus Darwin appears to have been a "freethinker".[http://www3.nd.edu/~ihpst09/abstracts/Good%20MS%20-%20Two%20Darwins,%20Erasmus%20and%20Charles,%20On%20Evolution.doc]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:49, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
==Medical opinion==
Conservative, with the acception of Dr. Stephen Joseph, who does not really support your claims, can you point to a medical professional who agrees with your assessment? Also can you show me a a respectable source that shows that the USA is not the the most obese nation in the world? I don't want you to question my religious affiliation or point me to one of your other articles I just want to see an unbiased opinion that agrees with you. Can you do that?--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 10:13, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
=== Making sure you are not a proud atheist who likes to engage in the fallacy of exclusion ===
Just to make sure you are not an [[Atheism and arrogance|arrogant atheist]] who engages in the [[fallacy of exclusion]], I have some questions for you before I am willing to continue:
1. Does the atheist community in the [[Western World]] have a problem with obesity and do they have a greater problem with obesity than religious Africa? See also: [[Secular Europe and obesity]]
2. Are there a number of prominent atheists with excess weight issues? Does medical science have effective methods to lose weight? Do nutritionists and exercise scientists have effective methods of losing weight such as cutting out processed foods, eating a low calorie and low fat diet combined with vigorous exercise? If so, why are so many of the overweight atheists featured in this article still overweight? Do they love pie and other fattening foods and also love being a coach potato more than they love science?
3. Based on the historical data, which likely had a greater problem with obesity: Jesus and his disciples or the leadership of the New Atheist movement? See: [[New Atheism leadership's problem with excess weight]] and [[Jesus Christ, the apostles and the Mediterranean diet/Mosaic diet]]. Also, please see these [https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Orthodox+Jews%22&rlz=1C2AVNA_enUS588US588&biw=1024&bih=667&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=4xhQVPD0KsyfyATQxoCwBA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ tons of pictures] of Orthodox Jews which I presume eat a Mosaic diet. Notice how slim they are!
4. Is the atheist PZ Myers overweight in [https://gaylejordan.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/dsc02944.jpg THIS PICTURE] - especially in his abdominal area?
5. With increasing prosperity, does atheistic China have an ever growing obesity problem? See: [[China and obesity]]. A recent study published in the ''Obesity Reviews'' journal, found that Chinese teenagers' rate of [[diabetes]] was four times that of their [[United States|American]] peers.[http://www.china.org.cn/china/2012-09/14/content_26521029.htm] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:::Questions for you:
1: Do young people visit Conservapedia?
2: Do many young people have problem with weight whilst going through or recently gone through puberty?
3:Do many of these people have crisis of religion during these times?
4:Are many of these people impressionable enough to believe what you say?
The answer to all the above is yes. So many of them will look at this article and believe it to be the answer, it is not. These people need medical advice about their weight and reading your article they will not get it. Therefore you are being downright irresponsible preaching it.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 15:31, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Tomqua, thank you for confirming that you are a proud atheist who engages in the fallacy of exclusion. Pride - one of the biggest achilles' heels of atheism! See also: [[Atheism and arrogance]]. If you are unwilling to address evidence, which I clearly showed, please cease wasting my time. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:38, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:::I have confirmed nothing of the sort. Are you an atheist? You display many of the traits you pin on atheists. I am a Christian but do not recognize you as such. Gods message is love, yours is hatred.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 15:41, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::::Speaking of fallacies, ever heard of Ad Hominem? You know I am correct and cannot find fault with my reasoning so you attack me instead. Please feel free to engage in last wordism--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 15:43, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
I am not going to wrestle in the proverbial mud with someone I believe is a proud atheist who likes to engage in the [[fallacy of exclusion]]. Feel free to engage in more [[last wordism]]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 15:59, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:My church: The Free Presbyterian Church of Ulster. Very protestant and somewhat conservative. Although I am sure you can find some reason to hate it if you dig around enough.--[[User:Tomqua|Tomqua]] 16:13, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
I am not going to further engage with someone that I believe lacks integrity no matter how much you wish to blather on. I don't believe anything you say at this point. You past edits to atheism article talk pages and your disingenuous behavior on this talk page lets me know that you are not worth engaging with. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 16:27, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Tomqua, I just don't know where to begin. Except to tell you that Cons frequently goes off on personal tangents involving accusing someone of being an atheist, and not believing them when they say they are not. The "atheism and obesity" article is, in any case, so stupid and pointless, and this page so full of irrelevancies, that it's not worth any discussion. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] 16:57, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:::SamHB, the atheism and obesity article continues to be a thorn in the side of overweight atheists with excessive sides!
:::Second, there is a London, England atheist who is a liar and also obsessed with me. He is proud, angry, coarse and immature. Tomque's pattern of atheism related talk page edits directed towards me, his use of the fallacy of exclusion (which this London atheist often employs), his most recent coarse edit (which I oversighted) combined with his IP address, points to him being this London atheist. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:21, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::::[[Essay: Donuts vs. atheism: Donuts win!|Donuts vs. atheism: Donuts win!]]. In the culture war of donuts vs. atheism, donuts are clearly winning! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:50, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
== Penn Jillette stopped being fat ==
As of recent, Penn Jillette has lost about 100 pounds.[http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/04/09/penn-jillette-sheds-105-lbs/25508667]
:I am happy to hear it. I know habits can be difficult to overcome in many cases. I will update the article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:31, 7 December 2015 (EST)
== Suggestion ==
Ricky Gervais has been known to be highly critical of religion as well as a strong atheist. He is also somewhat...portly. He would make a good addition to this page. [[User:JohnSelway|JohnSelway]] ([[User talk:JohnSelway|talk]]) 00:49, 8 December 2015 (EST)
:I don't think he is portly enough. And because people are creatures of habit and he is in his 50s, chances are he will never be portly. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:55, 8 December 2015 (EST)
== Godless and obese Britain is taking desperate measures ==
Godless [[Britain]] is building 10 special new "healthy towns", comprising of 76,000+ homes, in a desperate attempt to tackle its [[sloth]] and [[gluttony]] caused [[obesity]] crisis.[http://mashable.com/2016/03/01/nhs-healthy-towns/#kcdfjApBfZq7] See: [[United Kingdom and obesity]]
Imagine how big Britain's obesity problem would be if the mass immigration of slim religious immigrants hadn't occurred in recent years! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:27, 3 March 2016 (EST)
== Susan Gerbic and Perry DeAngelis ==
Find out if Susan Gerbic and Perry DeAngelis are atheists/agnostics/skeptics.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:05, 8 February 2019 (EST)
"Although his family was Catholic, DeAngelis was always an atheist. According to Novella, "He said he never believed, not even the slightest bit"."[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_DeAngelis#Personal_life], DeAngelis, Perry. "[https://theness.com/index.php/hunting-the-ghost-hunters/ Hunting the Ghost Hunters]". The NESS
Pictures of an overweight Perry DeAngelis.[https://www.conservapedia.com/File:Perry_DeAngelis.jpg][https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Perry_DeAngelis.jpg]
Circumstances of Perry DeAngelis death.[https://theness.com/index.php/ness-executive-director-abducted-by-aliens/] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
Susan Gerbic is an atheist.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Gerbic#Skepticism] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:51, 8 February 2019 (EST)
:I have created an article for [[Susan Gerbic]] but I have been unable to link to it from this article because it appears to be edit-protected. Could you please add a link? [[User:Desmonduk|Desmonduk]] ([[User talk:Desmonduk|talk]]) 20:09, 8 February 2019 (EST)
==Christopher Hitchins==
You never heard the adage, "Never speak ill of dead, unless it's Richard Nixon?" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:04, February 8, 2023 (EST)
:I don't agree with the saying. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. And by learning history and about historical figures, we may be less likely to repeat it. At my high school, I took two history courses on the Nazis and I was better for taking them. Stephen Kotkin has some great material on the evil dictator Joseph Stalin.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi2icRXbHo]
:I would also point out that Hitchens spoke unfavorably about Mother Teresa after her death and she was a better person than Hitchens. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:12, February 8, 2023 (EST)
::And the "except Richard Nixon" part of the adage is reflective of the liberal establishment having a double standard, but I do realize that Nixon was right-center and reflective of moderate Republicanism that is somewhere right of center. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:17, February 8, 2023 (EST)
:::Nixon's corpse wasn't even refrigerated yet in the morgue, and the MSM started doing extended interviews with people on his enemy's list in prime time who came out to spit on his grave (which wasn't even dug yet). Normally, MSM runs with an obit, and waits, at a bare minimum, 24 hours after you're in the ground before trash talking you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 21:05, February 8, 2023 (EST)
=="communist China"==
The phrase, "communist China" should only be applied to the 86 million members of the Chinese Communist Party, and not to the 1.3 billion inhabitants of China who never collectively or democratically voted for Chinese Communist Party rule. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]</sup> 17:17, March 18, 2024 (EDT)
===Intro===
The first sentence needs to be there, due to the article being about "atheism and obesity".
Also, in my revised version, I do say in the lede top section that the USA does have a problem with obesity so the suggested change is creating redundancy which is not good in writing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:59, March 18, 2024 (EDT)
:(ec) The Sinophobia does not belong in the opening sentence being that the next 5,000 bytes in 6 paragraphs are about a Gallup poll in the United States with no mention of China or East Asua. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]</sup> 18:02, March 18, 2024 (EDT)