*'''2 Corinthians 13:1''' - ''This is the third time I am coming to you. Every charge must be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.''
*'''1 Timothy 2:5''' - ''there is one God and '''one mediator between God and mankind,''' the man Christ Jesus''
:Official Roman Catholic teaching supplants the bible in authority (Catholic teaching believes :God's word is "evolving"), says
*'''CCC 1456''' - "When Christ's faithful strive to confess all the sins that they can remember, they undoubtedly place all of them before the divine mercy for pardon. But those who fail to do so and knowingly withhold some, place nothing before the divine goodness '''for remission through the <u>mediation of the priest</u>'''".<ref>https://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c2a4.htm#1456</ref>
:Jesus says in the resurrection we are sexless:
*'''CCC 969''' - "the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and '''Mediatrix'''."<ref>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm#969</ref>
*'''Isaiah 28:14''' - '' '''we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves'''
===The law is laid down not for the innocent but for the lawless===
*'''1 Timothy 1:6-7''' - ''Some people have deviated from these and turned to meaningless talk, desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make assertions. Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. This means understanding that '''the law is laid down not for the innocent''' but for the lawless and disobedient'' (NRSV)
*'''Romans 8:1''' - ''There is therefore no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus''
Note: "disobedient" in Timothy refers to those who do not trust God (without faith), and not to naughty children, outlaws, and gangsters who deserve a spanking or jail time. To be without condemnation is to be innocent. Christians are not under law but under grace. The law cannot make a person just, righteous, and acceptable to God. Only humbling our [[pride]] - the thinking that we can make ourselves pleasing to God, and turning to the finished work of Christ, makes us acceptable.
*'''''desiring to be teachers of the law, without understanding either what they are saying or the things about which they make assertions.'''''
Bingo. This is the flaw of those who preach catechism and Roman church "authority". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 08:05, 22 September 2020 (EDT)
===Salvation by grace===
::::Independent Skeptic says, '''"This shows that John's water baptism unto repentance cannot be the water baptism which Jesus commanded people to receive"''' Bingo! Now reconcile what you just posted with Roman Catholic doctrine and all the drivel in the [[Infant baptism]] page. Hint: Jesus didn't command "water baptism". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:07, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Yes He did! John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born [''regenerated''] of '''water and ''of'' the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God'''."<br>"Regenerate" in John 3:3-5 is the Greek '''γεννηθή''' ''gennethe''.<br>The words '''γεννηθή''' ''gennethe'' and '''γεννηθήναι''' ''gennethenai'' in the Greek New Testament text of John 3:3-5 mean to ''procreate, regenerate, bear, beget, be born, conceive'', a variation of '''γένος''' ''genos'', meaning ''born, offspring, generation, stock''.<ref>See Strong's numbers [http://biblehub.com/greek/1078.htm 1078], [http://biblehub.com/greek/1079.htm 1079], [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080.htm 1080], [http://biblehub.com/greek/1081.htm 1081], [http://biblehub.com/greek/1083.htm 1083], [http://biblehub.com/greek/1084.htm 1084], [http://biblehub.com/greek/1085.htm 1085].</ref> This "born" (as being literally "generated/regenerated") is the ordinary word "born" also used in
:::::::'''Matthew''' 1:16; 2:1, 4; 11:11; 19:12; 26:24; '''Mark''' 14:21; '''Luke''' 1:35; 7:28; '''John''' 1:13; 3:3-8; 8:41: 9:2, 19-20, 32, 34; 16:21; 18:37; '''Acts''' 2:8; 7:20; 18:2, 24; 22:3, 28; '''Romans''' 9:11; '''1 Corinthians''' 15:8; '''Galatians''' 4:23, 29; '''Hebrews''' 11:23; '''1 John''' 2:29; 3:9; 4:7; 5:1, 4, 18.<br>"Regenerated" is also found as "born again" '''άναγεγεννηθήναι''' ''anagegennethenai'' in 1 Peter 1:23, "Being born again (regenerated), not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." <ref>See Strong's number [http://biblehub.com/greek/313.htm ''313'' '''άναγεγεννάω''' ''anagegennao'' to ''beget'', or ''bear'' (again).]</ref> <br>Compare [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/1-13.htm the interlinear text of John 1:13], [http://biblehub.com/john/1-13.htm multiple versions of John 1:13], [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/john/1-13.htm and multiple commentaries on John 1:13]. <br>This "word" of God in [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Peter+1%3A23&version=RSVCE 1 Peter 1:23] is a direct reference to the doctrine of [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5%3A25-26&version=RSVCE Ephesians 5:25-26], where Paul says,
:::::::"Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word."<br>See also [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/titus/3-5.htm interlinear text of Titus 3:5] [http://biblehub.com/titus/3-5.htm multiple versions of Titus 3:5] and [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/titus/3-5.htm multiple commentaries on Titus 3:5].
:::::::"he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the '''''washing'' of regeneration''' and renewal in the Holy Spirit, which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior". The Greek word for "washing" in this text means "water-washing"—"he saved us...by the water-washing of regeneration". <br> The word of God is the word spoken simultaneously with the action of pouring, immersing or sprinkling of water in the [[sacrament]] of [[baptism]] to wash away all sins,<ref>See [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+22%3A16&version=RSVCE Acts 22:16]; [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+5%3A26&version=RSVCE Ephesians 5:26].</ref> "I baptize you in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen." (Matthew 28:19; Mark 16:16.) This is "baptismal regeneration". <br>Not one of those who claim to have been baptized in the Spirit by faith alone has ever been told at the decisive moment they accepted Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, "I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" before they were plunged into water as their testimony of salvation (''especially at the moment when they accepted Him sitting in the pew or decided to accept him by faith when they were alone''). <br>So from the whole context of the scriptures we can '''know''' that Jesus commanded water baptism. The Catholic doctrine of water baptism is biblical. It's the doctrine of the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all the truth for ever by the Spirit of truth with us for ever. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:07, 30 August 2020 (EDT)
:::The parallels between apostate Israel and the apostate Roman church are unmistakable.
:::*'''Matthew 15:8-9''' - ''This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, '''teaching as doctrines the commandments of men'''.
:::*'''Mark 7:13''' - '''''making the word of God of no effect''' through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.''{{unsigned|RobSmith}}
::::::''Context'': Jesus is speaking of the Jews, and in particular of the Pharisees. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 08:03, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
:::There is a straight line of continuity from Moses at Mt. Sinai to the Council of Trent as a doctrine of law, hence Isaiah 28:14 and the two scriptures cited above ''do'' apply. You have rejected grace, as Israel in the wilderness did. Ye are under a curse. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 14:08, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
:Unbelief is a lack of faith.
*'''Hebrews 4:2''' - ''but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.''
:Unbelief, or a lack of faith, is disobedience.<ref>Heb. 3:18, 4:6.</ref> {{unsigned|User:RobSmith}}
::Fine. "''Working together with him, then, we entreat you not to accept the grace of God in vain.''" 2 Corinthians 6:1. Believe what God has said, and with confidence full of hope in him obey the authority of the church He built on a rock as His Own Body and Temple, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all truth for ever by the Spirit of truth. Jesus cannot lie. And the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, in this world or the next. The weeds will grow together until the time of harvest, and then they will be gathered and burned in the fire. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:05, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
:::I/S says, '''"obey the authority of the church''' He built on a rock as His Own Body and Temple, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, led into all truth for ever by the Spirit of truth. Jesus cannot lie. And the '''blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven..."'''
:::You obviously have the church (men) confused with the Holy Spirit (God). You and Dataclarifier restate this erroneous teaching over and over again. This misconception lies at the heart of your faulty and erroneous understanding and teaching of the gospel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 16:21, 15 September 2020 (EDT)
:"obey" means have faith. Why would anyone have faith in lies? And the Christian believer is not under law anyway. Does God command us to bow the knee to Satan? Satan is the god of this world.<ref>https://biblehub.com/2_corinthians/4-4.htm</ref> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 13:06, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
::It only seems like lies to you. The Christian believer is not under the authority of the law of Moses, but under the authority of Christ in the church rightly interpreting and rightly dividing the word (2 Timothy 2:15) and applying it according to the law of righteousness in the Holy Spirit. God does not command us to bow the knee to Satan, but to bow to the will of Christ the Lord who established his church which He built on a rock so that it cannot fall, for "''Every knee shall bow and every tongue proclaim to the glory of God the Father: Jesus Christ is Lord''" That is the Catholic Church, the Body of Christ, in which He dwells as Lord and Savior, and the Holy Spirit leading into all the truth forever, just as Jesus promised. And God cannot lie. Jesus did not fail to keep his promise that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church he built on a rock. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 13:25, 28 August 2020 (EDT)
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*'''CCC 460''' - "The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For '''the Son of God became man so that we might become God'''."80<ref>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm#460</ref> }}
===Confirmed March 25, 2020===
The Gates of Hell were confirmed to have prevailed against the church Jesus allegedly founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen on March 25, 2020 with the publication of the 2020 Pontifical Yearbook. In the book, [[Pope Francis I]] dropped the title, "[[Vicar of Christ]]", [https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-drops-vicar-of-christ-title-in-vatican-yearbook] although the actual date that the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus allegedly founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen was likely much earlier.
Given the pace of change, this movement toward the truth of God and away from [[Pride#Christianity|pride]], rebellion, and the sin of man will likely take several more generations for it to become known and recognized by Roman Catholic clerics and laity, assuming a future pope doesn't reverse Francis' innovation.
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*"Paul said the church is the household of God, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, '''Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone..."'''}}
yet the argument of Roman church authority is built upon '''''denying''''' that Christ is the Rock of salvation upon which the church is built, but rather Peter, from whom the Roman church supposedly has sole "authority" to interpret scripture. You can't have it both ways. You can't say Christ is the Rock of salvation upon which the church is built and Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. ''God is not the author of confusion'' (1 Cor. 14:33), [[Satan]] is.
Furthermore, your intellectualizing to explain this confusion likewise is unbiblical, if not anti-biblical. You are being ''wise in your own conceits'' (Romans 12:16), puffed up in your own [[pride]], refusing to humble yourself before God, and repent (<small>I use the "you" in a rhetorical sense, speaking to the promulgators and adherents of Roman Catholic doctrine, both living and passedpast, and not to any specific individual.</small>) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 09:59, 11 September 2020 (EDT)
===User: NishantXavier===
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:*Gal. 3:10 - ''All who rely on works of the law are under a curse.'' Repent! [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:06, 2 September 2020 (EDT
::*Prov. 28:9 - ''He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law [the word of the Lord], even his prayer ''shall be'' '''abomination'''.''
::*John 12:48 - ''He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.''
::*John 14:21,24 ''21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.'' '''Repent!''' --User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] (User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 16:13, 2 September 2020 (EDT)::::The Law and the Word are two different things; ''faith cometh by hearing''; ''ye are under grace and not under law''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 16:21, 2 September 2020 (EDT)
::*1 John 5:2-3 - ''2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.'' --User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] (User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 16:30, 2 September 2020 (EDT)
:::*Romans 3:21 - ''now the righteousness of God has been manifested '''apart from the law'''