Talk:Great Flood

General Discussion

Sorry, but your edit has created inaccuracies here. We need a REAL biblical scholar to help out.Palmd001 16:53, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Palmd001, if there's anything Christian Religion is founded upon, it is the absolute right of each believer to make his individual decision to become Saved in the Blood of the Lamb. We're not Papists, here, we're Christians, and each of us is endowed by our Creator with the rights and abilities of Biblical Exegesis. DunsScotus 16:59, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

What I saw was amateurs working on a stub just to continue to make it a stub; there was no professionalism whatsoever. If you want to make edits here, either do the job well or don't do it at all. This page will be locked down until I'm done with it. Karajou 19:42, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

...was the last great event shared by mankind. This inaccuracy/opinion should be deleted. Also, Duns, please don't insult the Catholics in here. It is STRONGLY discouraged to insult others' religions here. SYSOP please make a note of it.Palmd001 19:49, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Palmd001, I am a Catholic. I'm Duns Scotus. DunsScotus 09:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

What is the anti-Catholic slur being passed around? And where is your evidence that states the Flood was not the last event shared by mankind? Karajou 19:54, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Its just above, Duns refers to Papists, a well known slur. As to the second, what is meant by "great event shared by mankind" It's just subjective. Was the Ressurection not a great event shared by mankind?Palmd001 20:07, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

First, I didn't write the slur. Second, the flood had only eight survivors, Noah and his family, and from them spread the human race, as well as traditions about the flood being in every culture around the globe. That is the evidence. And third, Jesus resurrection was physically witnessed by a few Roman guards who fainted at the site, as well as upwards of 140 individuals with whom Jesus chose to show Himself. The Resurrection was THE greatest event in human history, but on the weekend it happened it didn't exactly make the 11 pm news. Karajou 20:13, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Barnstar for Karajou

Karajou, your recognition of liberal media bias as early as 33 AD is an important marker for your assidious and often brilliant editing, here. I think you should be awarded a barnstar, or some sort of public marker of your essential rightness. DunsScotus 15:29, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

'Scientific' Evidence and its 'Value'

This article needs more info on the geological evidence for the flood; additional cultural tales, and anything else of interest. This is NOT about Noah's Ark; that is another article in and of itself. Karajou 20:17, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Real evidence or made up stuff? Tmtoulouse 23:22, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

The real stuff...not the stuff made up by scientists who can't stand the thought of God! Karajou 23:41, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

By 'scientists who can't stand the thought of God,' do you mean the Christian geologists who first realized that a global flood was contradicted by the evidence? Tsumetai 10:31, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

No, he means Satan inspired pagan atheists like Charles Lyell. His Modest proposal about geology was designed so that he could deny God and continue his baby eating ways. Tmtoulouse 12:28, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

And just what exactly is your point for being involved with this article? Karajou 12:56, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Perhaps he's interesting in conveying science rather than mythology. Nematocyte 12:57, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I can't be involved in the article, its locked and being micromanaged (not macromanaged thats impossible) by an admin. Just like every other article on this site where the facts have a "liberal" bias. Tmtoulouse 13:06, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Utility of the 'Scientific' 'Method'

So am I. Perhaps either one of you can get me proof as to how dinosaur tracks are fossilized, by using the scientific method. Karajou 13:05, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

What are you talking about? Tmtoulouse 13:07, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm at a loss as to how dinosaur track fossilisation is relevent. Nematocyte 13:08, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

It's extremely relevant! Fossilized tracks throughout the geological record are cleary incompatible with flood geology. Tsumetai 13:10, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

No, no things can ONLY fossilize in a flood. Duh. I mean the only explanation for things like fossilized termite nests is that a wall of water hit them. Tmtoulouse 13:14, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I know that, but I don't get why Karajou is asking me about it, or how it contributes in any way to his claims. Nematocyte 13:12, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

This is not going to be a debate on what either one of us believe; my purpose is to improve this article, and I'm assuming that is your purpose here too. Therefore, I want evidence to post in this article as to how dinosaur tracks are fossilized, and I want it from an evolutionary point of view. Karajou 13:13, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

In light of your claim that fossilized tracks are completely incompatable with flood geology, you're going to provide proof and sources for this. Karajou 13:15, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I'd guese it's got something to do with mud or lava filling in the indentations, or the sand or mud being compressed into rock. It isn't my forte. What I'm wondering is how YEC think it occured when the tracks are found on top of strata they believe was laid down during the flood. Nematocyte 13:17, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Some examples. Tsumetai 13:18, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Okay, read through this paper here. Its a good starting point. Specific questions can be addressed as they arise. Tmtoulouse 13:23, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

This is good; it explains the mainstream scientific view as to how these tracks were cast. It's going to be used here. Karajou 14:34, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

the schwerpunkt of the secularist perspective is what they call 'the geological time scale.' The secularists believe that, given enough time, anything is possible, not realizing that God can work wonders (ie, creating the entire universe) in less than a week. This is the real issue on which we must convince ourselves! If there is ample time, there can be fossilizations, and dinosaurs, and canyons and tectonic plates. If there is Biblical Time, and that means True Time, there can only be what is in God's Holy Word, which is All Truth and All Wisdom, Amen. DunsScotus 14:22, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

k. Tmtoulouse 14:24, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Now that the fossil tracks are done, I want scientific articles as to how dinosaur coprolites are preserved. Karajou 15:31, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

If the dinosaurs were eating a largely vegetable diet, they could be passing stools with a high degree of cellulose, which might lend itself to better preservation. I'm not sure if the secularist 'scientists' have addressed dinosaur diet, but vegetarian dinosaurs might have been fed corn-on-the-cobb whilst on the ark. DunsScotus 15:35, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

On Kant

Anything I provide will be twisted around. Why bother....Tmtoulouse 15:43, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

No, it was not twisted around. I knew exactly what scientists have stated for years about this matter, and what they have said has been contradicted by plain observation. You are not at fault. Karajou 15:46, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

• sigh*, okay, do as you see fit, do what you will. Tmtoulouse 15:48, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Dr. John Bell, lived in the 1860s in England; brilliant physician who taught classes on medicine. His primary order of teaching was to make his students observe everything. One of his students was Arthur Conan Doyle, who would use that philosophy when he created Sherlock Holmes. Karajou 15:53, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

In order to truly understand Immanual Kant's approach to epistemology one must have a firm understanding of the dynamic between Platonic Ideals and the scholastic approach of the early church. Tmtoulouse 16:00, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I've never read Kant, as I don't believe in Kant. I'd rather believe in Kan! Karajou 17:49, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Its okay, you shared a fact, I wanted to share one too. Tmtoulouse 17:50, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

You Kant critique pure reason. --Mtur 17:52, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Kant was a fallen and imperfect worldly philosopher that secularists cite to concatenate examples of their sinful free will. Truth is not accessible through flawed human reason, only by recourse to the Divine Truth perfectly revealed in the Most Holy Bible. DunsScotus 17:53, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Totally, half way through Critique of Pure Reason I was so like "oh my gosh this dude is SOOO fallen and imperfect." Then I realized it was the TRANSLATOR that was really the fallen one. I need to learn German I guess. Tmtoulouse 17:56, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

You raise an important question, Tmtoulouse, which is that the translators of God's Holy Word (that wasn't written directly in English) were clearly divinely inspired, and their errors were prevented by Divine Providence. Obviously for secularist translations, no such inspiration is possible (or necessary).

On Truth

There is no Truth that does not stem from The Word, the Lord, and His Holy Writ. Remember John: In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was God. Remember that none can come to the Father except by Him. Remember also to not erect false idols before God, especially your own intellectual vanities. What is a man, except a snail before the void? Without Jesus, we are nothing. DunsScotus 16:05, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

Black Sea flood?

Would it be reasonable to add a bit in the 'evidence' section to the Black Sea food theory? This is geological evidence that there was a flooding event at about 7000 BC that would have been a flood of most of the known world at the time. --Mtur 20:42, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

I'll probably put that in there; I find it intriging myself. Karajou 23:12, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Here's the Greek flood story [1] for writing that bit. --Mtur 23:16, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

Thanks...and the article could use additional flood stories Karajou 23:41, 22 March 2007 (EDT)

If you dig around, you'll see that prior to Ballard's theory the Russians had similar theories. However, the lack of translated papers and scientific exchange didn't get these theories to the west. Ballard did come up with his theory independently. --Mtur 15:00, 23 March 2007 (EDT)

I'm using Ballard's because it's most familiar to readers today. Karajou 15:30, 23 March 2007 (EDT)