Talk:Torture

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The source you site says one album, the slim shady album, but not as a "standard method." It is intellectually dishonest to report it otherwise. Flippin 17:59, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

By far most commonly reported method of torture is physical beatings - other commonly reported methods include:" Explain how this mean Eminem, please. Flippin 18:07, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Let's stick to the facts. the ABC News source reads as follows:

...ABC News has been told by former and current intelligence officers and supervisors.

They say they are revealing specific details of the techniques, and their impact on confessions, because the public needs to know the direction their agency has chosen. All gave their accounts on the condition that their names and identities not be revealed. Portions of their accounts are corrobrated by public statements of former CIA officers and by reports recently published that cite a classified CIA Inspector General's report.

Other portions of their accounts echo the accounts of escaped prisoners from one CIA prison in Afghanistan.

...The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said.

Several interesting things to discuss, (1) use of anonymous sources; (2) what is the source of the statement, "Other portions of their accounts echo the accounts of escaped prisoners from one CIA prison in Afghanistan", i.e. where did this information come from? (3) what "portions" have been corroborated, and what corroborated "portions" are in this news item; (4) where is the Inspector General's report. (5) These "sources" specifically cited, "Eminem's "Slim Shady" album", and for some reason Brian Ross and Richard Espisito felt the necessity to cite this first. RobS 18:18, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

Pleae note, the source does not say loud, it says foreign. RobS 20:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

"They would not let you rest, day or night. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down. Don't sleep. Don't lie on the floor," one prisoner said through a translator. The detainees were also forced to listen to rap artist Eminem's "Slim Shady" album. The music was so foreign to them it made them frantic, sources said."

You plainly think torture is a joke, and want to be sure that conservapedia reflects that. How contemptible.--PF Fox 21:07, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

See #2 above, "accounts of escaped prisoners from one CIA prison in Afghanistan"; let's assume this is the source of the statement, "one prisoner said through a translator", because it couldn't have come from anywhere else, as the US does not allow detainees to speak with reporters. This raises several very interesting issues about ABC News and this article.

(1) This unnamed source is the only alleged victim of torture quoted. (2) How, and where did ABC News obtain direct access to this source. (3) Did ABC News infact have direct access to this source. (4) Assuming this statement can be ascribed to an escapee from a CIA interrogation center in Afghanistan, why should it be treated with any more validity than anything he told CIA under interrogation? We can presume he does not have anything nice to say about his captors, and as demonstrated in the article, why should we not presume the escapee told ABC News what ABC News wanted to hear, just as other alleged torture victims made up stories and told their torturers what they wanted to hear.

So, other than this escapee -- and we can conclude this is the only direct testimony of an alleged torture victim cited in this article -- what credible source can testify they either underwent, or were a witness to, torture? RobS 21:25, 23 April 2007 (EDT)