Talk:Chevrolet Volt
Fact tags.
Those claims strike me as controversial. If they're so well-known, documenting them should not be a challenge. MattyD 20:17, 12 September 2012 (EDT)
- I've provided you with references. In the future I'd stick to topics that you have some knowledge about. The fact that you didn't know what a supercar was shows that you have little if any knowledge about the automotive world. CraigF2 13:57, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
- Your reference said nothing about the electrocution claim and stated clearly that there was as yet no scientifically proven link between hybrid vehicles and health risks. I've edited the article to reflect that. And I know what a "supercar" is. I just think it's a silly word. MattyD 14:00, 13 September 2012 (EDT)
There are many incorrect and unsupported factoids in this article.
1. All cars emit harmful radiation; it is a matter of how much. It is also important to remember AC EMF is much more harmful than DC EMF based on the simple and basic principle that AC current induces electric current in conductors, and also people, while DC generally does not. The Volt’s large DC battery under the driver and passengers is not inducing any current through the body of the car or the passengers. AC current is used by the Volt, like all cars, primarily under the hood. http://www.lessemf.com/pamphlet.html
2. The engine can couple itself to the drive train under certain circumstances to improve efficiency. Once the Volt’s battery is depleted, the engine fires up and clutches to the generator to produce the power required to drive the car. Above 70 mph, when the generator couples to the ring gear, the engine gets a more efficient direct mechanical connection to the wheels. http://www.motortrend.com/features/editorial/1010_unbolting_the_chevy_volt_to_see_how_it_ticks/#ixzz2PXuPwSce
3. As for the car’s alleged high inefficiency, the Volt is rated at 37 mpg while using the gasoline engine. Not bad for a 3700 lb car, which by the way does have a drive shaft. http://www.greencarcongress.com/2010/11/volt-20101124.html
4. The Volt is subsidized, but not through factory rebates. Someone who purchases, not a leases, can qualify for a tax rebate of up to $7500.00 using form IRS 8936. If someone buys a Volt and their tax is under $7500.00 they will not receive the full rebate. http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8936.pdf
5. I would like to see the math concerning the alleged $100,000+ it is costing GM to produce the Volt. Every new car model is subject to development costs. Wonder what the development of the new Chevy Corvette cost? Corvettes are out sold by Volts yet it is considered to be a very successful car.
6. Based on what has been written in this article, it seems to me the person(s) know rather little about automobiles. And remember, the Volt has the highest rate of owner satisfaction. Not bad, eh? http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2011/12/01/survey-finds-chevrolet-volt-owners-most-satisfied/
7. I’d like to see this article conform to the Conservapedia Commandments. i.e. true and verifiable, cite sources, etc. The liberal/homosexual thing comes to mind, sounds like opinion, not fact. --NormaN 21:35, 4 April 2013 (EDT)
- The fact that the $1.2 billion cost of developing of this car is unlikely to ever be recouped certainly belongs in the article. The Volt is all about politics, a way for GM to present itself as "green." Electric cars are notorious money losers. They exist primarily to meet a California regulation. Even if the techology made sense, GM is run by the auto workers union. So it will inevitably lose even more money. PeterKa 22:04, 28 January 2014 (EST)
- The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--NormaN 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)
- Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its "fact," and otherwise it's "opinion"? This is just word games. PeterKa 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)
- Yes, Reuters and the WSJ provide news. Yet Reuters didn’t show their math and even admitted the limitations of their so-called conclusions. Your WSJ reference is dated, maybe try to obtain something more recent?--NormaN 20:35, 30 January 2014 (EST)
- Reuters and WSJ are where you get business news from. If something fits your agenda its "fact," and otherwise it's "opinion"? This is just word games. PeterKa 00:16, 30 January 2014 (EST)
- The most recent edits concerning the development costs and an alleged response to California regulations are simply opinions unsupported by factual evidence. For this reason the last two sentences of the opening paragraph should be removed unless quality references are used. I’d like to see the math used by Reuters and an updated factual assertion from the WSJ.--NormaN 22:31, 29 January 2014 (EST)
Rules proposal
I think Norman brought up some valid points about this particular vehicle, as well as Peter. I think green energy politics may be involved with this one, but I don't have the cites to back the allegation up. Setting that aside, there's going to be pros and cons with this and any other car on the road, and this article just isn't up to par. So here's a proposal on something akin to rules for a layout on this and any other article about cars and trucks.
- 1. Describe the car itself. This needs to be a physical description of the car, including company making it; where it's made; years of manufacture; performance packages; wheelbase; powertrains; prices; MPG's; speed, and so on. Since the Volt is electric, how many batteries does it have? Does it have a generator engine? How far can it go on a charge?
- 2. Describe the pros and cons of the vehicle; describe why people like it, and why others don't. Is the car very good, or is it just another lemon? For citations, limit yourself to using official press releases from the automakers (Chevy in this case); reputable publications (Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Consumer Reports, etc). If you use a blog citation, make sure that the writer direct connections to the above publications or is a respected member of the auto community (i.e. Chip Foose, Kammie Edelbrock, Jeff Gordon, etc). Karajou 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)
- 3. As to the politics involving the Chevy Volt, place it within a separate sub-topic heading. Karajou 00:54, 31 January 2014 (EST)