Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise?

This is a non-denominational exchange of ideas intended to bring about a greater understanding of the Bible.
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Texts:

• Matthew 16:13-19
  13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
  14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias or one of the prophets.
  15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
  16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
  17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jonah: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
  18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter ["a rock"]. and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
  19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heave: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
• John 14:16-17
  16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
  17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
• John 16:12-15
  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all the truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
  All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
• Ephesians 2:18-22
  For through him we both [the Uncircumcision and the Circumcision] have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
  19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
  And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. <be> In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
  In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
• 1 Timothy 3:14-15
  14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
  15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
• 1 Timothy 4:1-2
  1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
  2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
• Hebrews 13:7
  7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
• Hebrews 13:17
  17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
• 2 Peter 3:17
  Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
• 1 John 2:18-19
  18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
  19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

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Yes, the gates of hell have prevailed against the church Jesus built on a rock so that it committed the Great Apostasy, and therefore Jesus obviously either was powerless to keep his promise or he lied.

You don't even understand the expression "gates of hell". Jesus said what he meant in an unusual way, probably to make it lively to the imagination.

He meant he had the devil on the run and in stronghold after stronghold (of the devil's) and in city after city (of the devil's), he and his disciples were breaking through, besieging the gates of hell to rescue the sinners inside, so "the gates of hell" were taking a beating, being broken, knocked over, bent and dented all over the place, passed through and its city's inhabitants rescued!

You're not in a position to know; you could mount an attack against a devil's stronghold anytime you want, but you try to abuse Conservapedia instead, and then because your attitude is so passive, you don't see that knowledge of anyone being rescued from Satan counts as his gates not prevailing and instead feel the need for us! to tell you what amounts to, in your ignorance, asking if it's even still happening or not! Newsflash!: Wherever those gates are being smashed into by groups of Christians of every stripe, the gates of hell are already failing to prevail!

The "Church" is not an "institution"; look what happens to people like you who think it is! Once again, you are completely wrong!

VargasMilan (talk) Wednesday, 22:16, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church in sum essentially reads,

• We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

• 2 Corinthians 13:1 - This is the third time I am coming to you. Every charge must be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
• 1 Timothy 2:5 - there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus

Official Roman Catholic teaching, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC), which supplants the bible in authority (Catholic teaching believes God's word is "evolving"), says

• CCC 1456 - "When Christ's faithful strive to confess all the sins that they can remember, they undoubtedly place all of them before the divine mercy for pardon. But those who fail to do so and knowingly withhold some, place nothing before the divine goodness for remission through the mediation of the priest" [my bolden and emphasis added].

Jesus says in the resurrection we are sexless:

• Matthew 22:30 - For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Yet Roman catholic church teaches

• 'ccc 969 - "the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."<>ref>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm#969</ref>
• Isaiah 28:14 - we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

See also

• Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever?
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• Debate:Is Holy Communion the True Body and Precious Blood of Jesus Christ
• Salvation: declarational salvation and ontological salvation
• Ex opere operato and ex opere operantis
• Eternal security (salvation)
• Antinomianism