Talk:Debate: 15 questions for evolutionists

Personal attacks

AugustO, I am sure the homosexual members of the Evangelical Church of Hesse Electorate-Waldeck that you belong to who were "married" in one of their "churches" are going to love the material you posted here. Liberals love error. By the way, what are your thoughts on the Conservapedia homosexuality article? Conservative 08:47, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Is there a reason you have deleted and then recreated this page without any of the preceding posts? It does seem rather arbitrary. Davidspencer 08:52, 12 January 2012 (EST)

User:Conservative, have you anything pertinent to contribute to the debate? Otherwise I just go to ignore your invectives. AugustO 08:59, 12 January 2012 (EST)

August), is your liberal Protestant denomination still declining in their membership? How is that church's embracing of Darwinist naturalist philosophy and liberalism working out for you guys? Any miracles happen in the last service you attended? "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called" (1 Timothy 6:20) "holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these." (2 Timothy 3:5) Conservative 09:07, 12 January 2012 (EST)

User:Conservative, the Question Evolution! campaign provides a list of questions to be asked, e.g. in school. What good are these questions when they can be answered - and these answers can't be rebutted, because those who should provide such rebuttals prefer to use their time to alienate their fellow Christians? AugustO 09:11, 12 January 2012 (EST)

AugustO, fellow Christians? You still haven't answered my questions from our last exchange or other questions I have. There have been too many heretical groups in history calling themselves Christians for me to automatically believe without due diligence that they are bona fide Christians. The fruit I have seen from my preliminary investigation is not encouraging. Conservative 09:24, 12 January 2012 (EST)

@user:Conservative: Concerning your first post here: I think I told you on the Community Portal, that AugustO's church does not marry homosexual couples. It is one of the things that is stated rather clearly on their German website...--VPropp 11:13, 12 January 2012 (EST)

True, you told me and did not show me. My preliminary research definitely leans towards them embracing this practice although it is not absolutely conclusive. Of course, this could better be cleared up if AugustO simply answers my questions. Conservative 09:48, 12 January 2012 (EST)

• I doubt that there is anything I could write about me that would change your heart.
• The answers to your questions can be found in the internet, I think you will have more trust in your own research than in any of my statements.
• You seem to have not much of a problem to condemn the 900,000 members of the EKKW (or the 23,000,000 members of the EKD) as heretical! What does more harm: to condemn and insult a fellow Christian - or to engage respectfully in a debate with a member of one of the many heretical groups in history calling themselves Christians.
• All of this doesn't matter when it comes to the 15 questions for evolutionists. Really, I don't know how you want to witness to any of the hostile atheists when you can't keep your cool in this sheltered environment?

AugustO 09:45, 12 January 2012 (EST)

AugustO, have homosexuals been "married" inside of Evangelical Church of Hesse Electorate-Waldeck "churches"? It is an easy enough question for you to answer unless of course you want to hide something as liberals often want to do. Conservative 09:54, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Is this 15 questions for evolutionists or just simply 15 questions for AugustO? Adambro 09:55, 12 January 2012 (EST)

• What has this to do with Debate: 15 questions for evolutionists? Is this a typical example of the tactic of diversion which is often used by liberals?
• No "marriages" have been performed - but there may be congregations which have allowed "blessings".

AugustO 09:58, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Evobabbling, women "pastors" "blessing" homosexual "marriages", declining membership - the Evangelical Church of Hesse Electorate-Waldeck is on the slope. Of course, when you start flouting biblical authority and ignoring the large amount of evidence for the Bible, that's what happens. Conservative 10:23, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Thanks for your telediagnosis! Now, can we get to the debate at hand, or do you prefer to stick to personal attacks - at tactic often used by liberals? AugustO 10:26, 12 January 2012 (EST)

August, when you start presenting actual evidence instead of just-so stories and stop ignoring the large amount of evidence for the Bible and the effects of when a church does this, then we can start debating. Conservative 10:31, 12 January 2012 (EST)

August, by the way, what do you think of Conservapedia homosexuality article in terms of the factual evidence it presents? Conservative 10:35, 12 January 2012 (EST)

I don't see how the perceived decline of the EKKW has anything to do with the 15 questions - how does the very existence of a church you hadn't heard of a month ago can influence your evidence? Please, stop obfuscating (a tactic often used by liberals), and try to support the Question Evolution! Campaign. AugustO 10:44, 12 January 2012 (EST)

I am just point out through the social science of history using church history in particular what happens when churches put on their liberal evobabble skiis and liberalism ideology goggles and start going down the slope - moral depravity and the condoning of the behavior of pretentious fraudulent shysters such as User: RudrichBoucher. Conservative 11:03, 12 January 2012 (EST)

I'm intrigued, the history of which churches have you looked at? The accusation of moral depravity was used during the Reformation quite often and on both sides. Yet Catholicism and reformed churches still flourish.--VPropp 11:13, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Thanks for pointing out! Now I can see the following dialogue happening somewhere in Texas:

• Pupil: Here are fifteen questions you can't answer, Mr. Evolutionist-Teacher!
• Teacher: Well, let's see. Question One isn't that difficult to answer - Darwin's 1859 book was called On the Origin of Species, not On the Origin of Life, his theory didn't cover the very beginnings of life, but what happened when speciation started. Similarly, we have helpful physical theories about the behavior of objects in the universe, though there is a scientific debate about the creation of the universe... So, what do you say?
• Pupil: RudricBoucher is a pretentious fraudulent shyster!

Yes, that will show the teacher! AugustO 11:14, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Hi AugustO, I've always found this answer (Evolution is about origin of species not origin of life) quite lazy. If you contest the fact that God created the species as they are today, you will have to provide an explanation for the beginning of life as well. To me, it's a bit like saying "I don't know how the thief got into the house, I just study how he stole the money"... --PhilipN 15:24, 12 January 2012 (EST)

By the way, I thought you had more than just 3 answers ?--PhilipN 15:26, 12 January 2012 (EST)

• To provide a theory of everything is a little bit to ambitious for me - most theories have a more or less well-defined area which they are covering: Quantum mechanics starts to explain much of the world shortly after the big bang (if there was one). And there may be specialists who are only looking how the safe was opened in the burglary without knowing how the thief entered the house. Their expertise may help to solve find the criminals. But you should state you rebuttal in the actual debate.
• I hadn't contributed to the previous version of the debate. There have been more answers to the questions, but they were deleted. I can't reconstruct them on my own...

AugustO 15:44, 12 January 2012 (EST)

• So, should we add our arguments directly into the debate page, isn't it going to be messy ?
• Oh, I had not noticed that the previous version had been deleted... I believe this is the consequence of an edit war with a senior admin !--PhilipN 15:54, 12 January 2012 (EST)

VPropp, Western Roman Catholicism which has many members which have embraced liberalism and evolutionism (particularly starting in the 1950's and accelerating post 1960's), is not flourishing and is: bleeding members, plagued with scandals and experiencing a shortage of priests. It is not uncommon for Jesuits in academia to claim the Bible is riddled with historical error, etc. etc. Conservative 17:11, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Heresy hunting

"Conservative", if you're really on the lookout for the "many heretical groups in history calling themselves Christians" why don't you start with Uncle Ed? I guarantee you that no matter what August's church believes, it doesn't include the idea that Jesus is a rich old Korean guy who owns the Washington Times. --MarkSpace 11:18, 12 January 2012 (EST)

Lately, my editing at this wiki has been on the world economy, the 2012 U.S Presidential election and the Question evolution! campaign (which will accelerate the global decline of atheism). I will paraphrase and take liberties with a quote a relative of mine said to me: "In life, you have to pick your battles" (the actual quote related to his relationship with his wife). While it is certainly possible for me to battle every religious faith different from my own and every false ideology (Darwinism, liberalism), ultimately I am a mere mortal (or perhaps several). :) Of course, if Richard Dawkins' wacky false ideology (which is bereft of evidence and counter to the vast evidence we have for Christianity) were true, I could easily be an advanced piece of artificial intelligence left by little green men who were the product of Darwinian evolution! Conservative 16:46, 12 January 2012 (EST)

User:Conservative, applying the defintion of Christianity that you seem so fond of using (capitalist, anti-homosexuality, pro-life, anti-evolution, democratic) the number of real Christians might be between 60 and 100 million globally. You seem to lack any sort of imagination of other countries or understanding that their structures, as much the American structures, are fundamentally different rom each other. Quite frankly, I and most other people would say that upon reading this discussion, you belong in a mental asylum. As I have lived in Germany all my life, it is very probable that that was were the German authorities would put you. And I believe they would be right in doing so. --NekD 17:38, 12 January 2012 (EST)