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:::To lend a Bonifide American<sup>TM</sup> hand here, around these parts ''thorough'' rhymes with ''though'' which rhymes with ''dough''. And ''thought'' rhymes with ''aught''. I have seen the repetitive, spontaneous contractions of the diaphragm called "hiccoughs", though it's far more common to see them spelled "hiccup" (not that that makes it more correct). Maybe we should expand the section to talk about dialects? I find this discussion pretty interesting :) [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT) PS: Technically, some Americans do pronounce "thorough" as "thuruh", but these people mostly live in the south.

Latest revision as of 16:46, October 1, 2008

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I was afraid when I put in examples of the different pronunciations of ough that someone would dispute them. I'm not fluent in the various pronunciation-symbologies, so here is my layman's attempt at listing how I, an Aussie, pronounce each of these words:

rough ruff
through throo
bough as in how
cough koff
thorough thuruh
thought thort
though thow, as in low
hiccough hikkkup
dough dow, as in low

As you can see, for me thorough is different to though, and dough is the same as though.

(I've concentrated on the pronunciation of ough and have not distinguished between soft and hard ths.)

Philip J. Rayment 22:56, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

Ah, I wasn't sure if it was a regional thing, so I had consulted dictionary.com to make sure before making the edit. Dictionary.com lists only one acceptable (American) pronunciation for both "thorough" and "though", which ends in the same vowel sequence (in IPA too). This is the same sequence for "dough" as well, and it's the one that rhymes with "low". But now that you've written out how you pronounce "thorough" in Australia, I can imagine how there would be that pronunciation as well. So maybe there should be a clarification that they are all different in Australian English, but in American English only 7 are distinct. (actually, I'd go a step further, since I've never seen an American use the spelling "hiccough" for "hiccup"). Thanks for taking the time to write a detailed clarification, Philip. -Foxtrot 23:29, 30 September 2008 (EDT)
I'd like to list the pronunciations using the pronunciation guide in the (Aussie) Macquarie Dictionary, but they use the IPA characters which don't appear to be in a standard character set. If I can find a way to represent these (e.g. html entities), I might still list those pronunciations. Philip J. Rayment 02:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Okay, here is my table modified to show the Macquarie Dictionary pronunciation codes. I'm showing the codes with Lucida Sans Unicode, on the belief that that is the most widely available font that shows these characters. Also, many of the characters are very similar, and it was tedious doing this, so I can only hope that I've got no mistakes here.
my layman's version Macquarie Dictionary pronunciation
rough ruff rʌf
through throo θru
bough as in how baʊ
cough koff kɒf
thorough thuruh ˈθʌrə
thought thort θɔt
though thow, as in low ðoʊ
hiccough hikkkup ˈhɪkʌp
dough dow, as in low doʊ
Philip J. Rayment 05:22, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
To lend a Bonifide AmericanTM hand here, around these parts thorough rhymes with though which rhymes with dough. And thought rhymes with aught. I have seen the repetitive, spontaneous contractions of the diaphragm called "hiccoughs", though it's far more common to see them spelled "hiccup" (not that that makes it more correct). Maybe we should expand the section to talk about dialects? I find this discussion pretty interesting :) HelpJazz 12:46, 1 October 2008 (EDT) PS: Technically, some Americans do pronounce "thorough" as "thuruh", but these people mostly live in the south.