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Roy Cohn, alleged rumors say he was a closet Pixie. McCarthy, driven to insanity by an endless parade of liars, drank himself to death.

Shocking revelations of America's vital secrets came to light from the dark subterranean refuse chambers of Senator Jospeh McCarthy and Chief Counsel Roy Cohn's Executive Session declassified transcripts.
It needs to be borne in mind however, these horrors occurred in the pre - Miranda warning era ...

Mr. Cohn. Mr Varley, as a matter of fact. To put it frankly here, you are not very careful about telling the truth, are you?

Mr.Varley. I think I do tell the truth.

Mr. Cohn. Well, now, you were before a grand jury, and I asked you, before the grand jury,
whether or not you had ever been arrested or convicted, and you denied it at first and then
admitted it later; isn’t that a fact?

Mr.Varley. I don’t know what—[consulting with counsel].

Would you mind repeating the question, please.

Mr. Cohn. Read the question, please.

[Whereupon, the last question was read by the reporter.]

Mr. Varley. I never admitted that I was arrested.

Mr. Cohn. You never admitted that you were arrested?

Mr. Varley. No.

Mr.Cohn. You still don’t think you were arrested?

Mr. Varley. That’s right.

Mr. Cohn. I see. You got some good legal opinions about that; is that right?

The CHAIRMAN. Is it your testimony that you have never been arrested?

Mr. Varley. That’s right, sir.

Mr. Cohn. What do you think, the records of the New York Police Department are forged?

Mr. Varley. Well, I asked my lawyer to consult the records and also tried to recollect the matter, and all my recollection was that I was summoned before the court of magistrates.

Mr. Cohn. Isn’t it a fact—I regret the necessity of going into this again—but isn’t it a fact that you were found by members of the New York City Police Department in the men’s room and 50-something Street and Lexington Avenue on December 29, 1941, arrested on a morals charge, and that you plead guilty and paid the fines, or you were given an alternative of a fine or jail sentence and you paid the fines, not only for yourself but for the other man who was taken in along with you, name Leonardo Boronek? Isn’t that a fact?

Mr. Varley. Would you give me the question?

[Whereupon, the last question was read by the reporter.]

Mr. Cohn. Before you get to that, would you please add this, Mr. Stenographer: the names of the policemen were Valetine Piccitrilli and William Vogel. Now, would you answer that question?

Mr. Varley. This is not a fact.

Mr. Cohn. Tell me where it isn’t a fact.

Mr. Varley. I was never arrested, and I was never convicted on a morals charge.

Mr. Cohn. Tell us what happened.

The CHAIRMAN. Were you picked up by the policemen?

Mr. Varley. The policemen did talk to me, but I was not arrested.

The Chairman. Did they take you along with them?

Mr. Varley. The policemen told me that—

The Chairman. Did they take you along with them?

Mr. Varley. No, they didn’t. The policemen told me, as I recollect it, that after we had very brief discussion, “Let the magistrate’s court figure that out,” words to that effect.

The Chairman. Did they take you down to the magistrate?

Mr. Varley. We went to the magistrate’s court, all together.

The Chairman. The policemen picked you up, they took you down to the magistrate; is that right?

Mr. Varley. He didn’t pick me up. He said that “Well, let all of us go to the magistrate court.”

The Chairman. All right. When I say “picked you up,” what do you understand that I mean? You said he didn’t pick you up. What do you think it means to get picked up?

Mr. Varley. That the counsel says, to be arrested.

The Chairman. And the policeman came in and took you to the magistrate; is that right?

Mr. Varley. He said, “Let’s go to the magistrate.” He didn’t say, “You are arrested.” I didn’t resist—

The Chairman. Did he take you down in a police car? Did they take you down in a police car?

Mr. Varley. I think it was an ordinary automobile.

The Chairman. They took you down in their car, did they?

Mr. Varley. We went in their car.

The Chairman. All right. They took you to the magistrate?

Mr. Varley. We went down to the magistrate’s court.

The Chairman. They took you in their car to the magistrate, is that correct?

Mr. Varley. May I say how I remember what happened?

The Chairman. No, you answer my questions. I may say that if the policeman’s testimony is correct, you perjured yourself about three times now. You can keep on if you want to, or you can tell us the truth. I will repeat the question: Did they take you in their car to the magistrate? Either yes or no?

Mr. Varley. Yes.

The Chairman. They did, all right. Did they file charges against you?

Mr. Varley. Yes, there was a summons by a policeman.

The Chairman. All right. And were you found guilty?

Mr. Varley. I pleaded guilty.

The Chairman. You pleaded guilty?

Mr. Varley. Yes.

The Chaiman. You paid a fine?

Mr. Varley. I paid a fine.

The Chairman. And did you pay the other man’s fine, too?

Mr. Varley. I did.

The Chairman. You say you were never arrested?

Mr. Varley. Yes, sir.

The Chairman. Mr. Cohn, I want this transmitted to the U.S. attorney, a clear case of perjury.