Talk:Atheism

Attention atheists

Please provide proof and evidence that atheism is true. There is plenty of evidence for Christianity as can be seen HERE and HERE and no evidence atheism is true as can be seen HERE.

Then, please proceed HERE.

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Organisation

This page is very long, and has been added to at many different times, with the result that it is somewhat disorganised. I suggest making the information easier to access by grouping related topics together using the following headings:

• About atheist beliefs
• History of atheism
• Atheism today
• Other beliefs associated with atheism
• Atheism in the media
• Notable atheists
• Additional resources and further reading.

Could the page be unlocked so that I can carry out this reorganisation, or could an administrator perhaps undertake it on my behalf? I am happy to discuss the exact subdivisions, but it's clear that the current structure could be improved. For example, section 35, on the proportion of people who are atheists, should come before and near to related material such as section 18, on people leaving atheism.--CPalmer 08:57, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Feel free to create User: CPalmer/Atheism. Please be aware that due to other priorities, I unfortunately will not be looking at it until 2012. However, I am going to make a change in the article in a few minutes based on your recommendation. Conservative 13:27, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

Conservative, if you are too busy to work on incorporating other people's suggestions for five months, perhaps you should consider unlocking the article so it can be improved, regarding the flow and the occasionally spotty writing quality. This could be a masterpiece if you let those who admire you directly contribute to the article. Human 23:59, 9 August 2011 (EDT)

I can certainly consider that. Conservative 04:48, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

Excellent suggestion. I will see if I can get round to doing that.--CPalmer 07:04, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

Archiving

In Conservapedia:Editing article and talk pages#Talk pages and Archiving we read:

Archiving talk pages is a regular maintenence[sic] chore editors are invited to help with. However, a discussion should not be Archived[sic] until at least seven days have elapsed since the last, or most recent posting in a discussion thread, allowing others to read and comment.

So, how can you find out whether there was an edit to a thread during the last seven days? Well, you just look at the signatures in the thread - if you find a date which is less than a week old, you don't archive the section. Or you remember that you yourself have commented to the particular thread on the same day. It isn't rocket science, you know...

But instead of moving (Deceptive) statement by John Calvert back from the archives, I decided to create the following section anew. You're welcome.

RonLar 07:28, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

Dubious quote by John Calvert

In earlier revisions of this article we find the following version of a quote by John Calvert:

The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that atheism is a religion and therefore it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently public schools are promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.

As a source for this quote, http://www.ohiointelligentdesign.com/Newsviews.html was given - at least from Apr 22, 2008 until Aug 7, 2011. The site is not longer available, so it was correct to give a new source for this quote: http://shockawenow.blogspot.com/2011/08/intelligent-design-leader-john-calvert.html This is used for two days.

After I criticized the quotation (see here), the quote was altered on Aug 9, 2011. Now it reads

The Seventh Judicial Circuit of the Court of Appeals of the United States held that atheism is a religion. Therefore, it cannot be promoted by a public school. Currently, public schools are often unwittingly promoting atheism through a dogmatic and uncritical teaching of materialistic theories of origins.

Surprisingly, the source of the quotation stayed the same. User:Conservative should answer the following questions:

• In earlier versions, you state: John Calvert ... wrote, now we read John Calvert .. declared. If he wrote it somewhere, you should find the original source. Why don't you do so?
• Did shockawenow change the quotation over time?
• Did you misquote shockawenow?
• shockawenow gives no clue where and when John Calvert made this comment, so we have an anonymous blogger claiming that someone said (!) something sometimes. Do you think that this kind of sources befit a trustworthy encyclopedia?

RonLar 07:28, 10 August 2011 (EDT)