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== Elevatorgate  ==
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== Richard Dawkins stands by remarks on sexism, pedophilia, Down syndrome ==
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Develop [[Elevatorgate]] article and incorporate it into the Richard Dawkins article. Mention the atheist Rebecca Watson is no longer going to recommend his books, etc. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 05:34, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
 
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http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/07/08/atheist_flirting
 
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http://gawker.com/5818993/richard-dawkins-torn-limb-from-limbby-atheists
 
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http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2011/07/richard-dawkins-chewing-gum
 
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/07/richard-dawkins-draws-feminist-wrath-over-sexual-harassment-comments/39637/
 
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http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/not-your-average-read/2011/jul/16/sexism-atheism-Dawkins-Watson-feminists-Skepchick/
 
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http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/atheologies/4978/does_atheism_have_a_misogyny_problem/
 
  
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Richard Dawkins stands by remarks on sexism, pedophilia, Down syndrome: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/11/18/richard-dawkins-stands-remarks-sexism-pedophilia-syndrome/
  
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:I've been reading up on Elevatorgate and I'm going to start drafting an article on it. One thing though - he now has ten books out and I can't change it. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 09:13, 18 August 2011 (EDT)
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Use feminist quotes about Dawkins and women in the [[Feminist quotes about Richard Dawkins]] article. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:50, 15 August 2016 (EDT)
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Please be more specific about book addition. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:23, 18 August 2011 (EDT)
 
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:There's certainly one called ''Evolution: The Greatest Show on Earth'' (or similar) that's been out for a while, and that would seem reasonably relevant to the overall tenor of this article.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 09:36, 18 August 2011 (EDT)
 
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:::CPalmer, Done. Plus, I included a book which refutes that book. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 09:50, 18 August 2011 (EDT)
 
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=== Consider mentioning that Wikipedia Richard Dawkins article does not mention Elevatorgate ===
 
  
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Consider mentioning that Wikipedia Richard Dawkins article does not mention Elevatorgate even though it caused quite a bit of additional damage to his already damaged reputation  [http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2011/07/richard-dawkins-chewing-gum] (see also: [[Atheism and cowardice]], [[Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience]], etc.).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 06:03, 9 September 2011 (EDT)
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== Incorporate former prominent atheist turned deist Antony Flew's criticism of the God Delusion at Conservapedia ==
  
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== False dichotomy ==
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"Professor [[Antony Flew|Anthony Flew]] (who at one time was quite possibly the most famous atheist academic in the world and who later actually abandoned his atheism to adopt theism due to recent advances in science) commented that “The fault of Dawkins as an academic…was his scandalous and apparently deliberate refusal to present the doctrine he appears to think he has refuted in its strongest form”.[http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/opinion/ten-years-on-from-that-book-of-atheistic-faith-the-god-delusion-1-7496360]
  
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"Dawkins has repeatedly likened religious faith to a mental defect despite the fact that atheists are more likely to commit suicide than believers in the existence of God and the plentitude of studies associating theism with better mental and physical health."
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== Richard Dawkins appears to be afraid of talking about Islam or Lawrence Krauss or the me too movement ==
  
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Why "despite"? The use of this word suggests that the two assertions - religious faith being a mental defect and atheists being more likely to commit suicide than believers - are mutually exclusive. That is obviously not true. Christians may be crazy while at the same time atheists may be a bunch of suicidal pessimists. [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 16:55, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
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Richard Dawkins appears to be afraid of talking about Islam or Lawrence Krauss or the me too movement.  
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::I can see your jealous of the mental fitness of fervent Christians.  Given the madness of atheism and Christian charitableness, no doubt Christians have built a lot of hospitals containing mental wards [[Atheism and suicide|often frequented by suicidal atheists.]] Of course, the mental toughness of Christian creationists this year on the creation vs. evolution battlefield is going to make the [[Question evolution! campaign]] very successful in 2012![http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqt5i2Hn7Jo]  It may cause a lot of atheists to have nervous breakdowns. Onward Christian soldiers! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:39, 8 January 2012 (EST)
 
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:::Unfortunately, I think we have to worry more about scientists in general than atheists in the QE! campaign. It's not just the atheist scientists who have been brainwashed. Either way, let's hope for the best! [[User:RedGoliath|RedGoliath]] 18:33, 8 January 2012 (GMT)
 
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:::Conservative, what makes you think I am "jealous of the mental fitness of fervent Christians"? I merely signaled a logical flaw in the article text, without attacking Christians or praising atheists. By the way, is your spelling prowess ("I can see ''your'' jealous") testimony of the mental fitness of fervent Christians? [[User:Baobab|Baobab]] 11:44, 5 February 2012 (EST)
 
  
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== Another book ==
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See: [http://examiningatheism.blogspot.com/2018/06/on-what-not-to-ask-new-atheist-richard.html ON RICHARD DAWKINS TELLING ME WHAT NOT TO ASK]
  
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Richard Dawkins is publishing another book. A children's book, this time, called ''The Magic of Reality: How We Know What's Really True''. See [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Magic-Reality-know-whats-really/dp/059306612X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318250314&sr=8-1 here]. I think this should be added to the list of books.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:39, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
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I may transcribe some of the video.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:53, 21 May 2018 (EDT)
  
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:I have added it to the list myself. (For some reason I thought the page was protected, but it isn't.)--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 08:39, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
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==Living People==
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Should there be a category "Living People" as there is in [[Wikipedia]] and this article be put in it?[[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 10:56, 8 March 2019 (EST)
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:I dunno; given how WP treats Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone. Jerome Corsi, Alex Jones or Tommy Robinson, what difference does it make? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 11:32, 8 March 2019 (EST)
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::There's no use of a "living people" category for CP. It would be worthless, and we'd have to remove it every time someone dies. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 12:17, 8 March 2019 (EST)
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:::WP (and by extension RW) has a catgory of living persons as an excuse to hide the [[sin]]s of [[liberal]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 12:41, 8 March 2019 (EST)
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* Please forgive my ignorance, but what does RW stand for? [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 16:42, 11 March 2019 (EDT)
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::Ratwiki, an alleged anti-pseudoscience site. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 17:24, 11 March 2019 (EDT)
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I did a quick Google search for "Rat Wiki" just now (on Saint Patrick's Day, 2019) and the lead article I got was the Wikipedia article on the rat. [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 14:05, 17 March 2019 (EDT)
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:CP doesn't allow anyone to use its full name, though your search results were superior to that other wiki. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:53, 17 March 2019 (EDT)
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::Of late, I've been following the strange case of the alleged pseudo-scientist Deepak Chopra whom PBS has recruited for fundraising. Odd, since PBS has led the pack in mocking alleged Creationist pseudoscience and fighting alleged global warming denier pseudoscience. [http://wikipediawehaveaproblem.com/2018/04/rationalwiki-is-gas-lighting-lying-covering-up-platform-wide-harassment/ WP & Ratwiki have been silent on this turn of events], where PBS now is, according to them, one of the biggest purveyors of pseudoscience on the planet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]</sup> 16:25, 17 March 2019 (EDT)
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:::RobS, see: [[Irreligion and superstition]]. Atheism/agnosticism cause more societal pseudoscience and superstition and not less.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:38, 17 March 2019 (EDT)
  
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== Dawkins - intellectual fraud: in interview could not name the full title of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. ==
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==Article on Dawkins in Wikipedia==
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The article on Richard Dawkins in [[Wikipedia]] has a talk page saying that Richard Dawkins is very illiterate when it comes to knowledge of ancient history and Biblical texts. [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 15:56, 8 March 2019 (EST)
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:The 7th paragraph of the Conservapedia Richard Dawkins article indicates: "In terms of the theism vs. agnosticism and atheism issue, Dawkins has shown himself to be rather ignorant in matters of philosophy and theology. For example, philosopher Dr. Michael Ruse declared concerning Dawkins' book The God Delusion: "The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist."[9] The philosopher Antony Flew, who was one of the most prominent atheist academics in the world before adopting deism, said about Dawkins: “The fault of Dawkins as an academic…was his scandalous and apparently deliberate refusal to present the doctrine he appears to think he has refuted in its strongest form”.[10]."
  
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Dawkins - intellectual fraud: in interview could not name the full title of On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.  [http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/02/richard-dawkins-sans-pants.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 03:40, 18 February 2012 (EST)
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:Another paragraph in the article indicates: "As far as the the social science of [[history]], Richard Dawkins has [[Richard Dawkins, atheist atrocities, and historical revisionism|engaged in historical revisionism when it comes to the mass murders committed by atheists]]."
  
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Wow, the full title of On the Origin of Species? That's important, since that book is pretty much all there is to evolution. There hasn't been much progress or growth for a century and a half, so it's very important that people remember the full title of that book, and not just the shortened title that everyone else uses. Dawkins' inability to remember the full title of the book is a death blow against evolutionary theory, which requires that famous atheists know the full titles of famous books on evolution in order for god to not exist. I am personally disappointed with Dawkins, who should have found a way to balance his writing work, his numerous speaking engagements, his family and the need to memorize the title of Darwin's magnum opus, but has failed to do so. I think it is shameful that a scientist can call himself a scientist without knowing the full, unabridged title of this vital book, which is the center of a large amount of current research and not simply of work of historical interest, superseded by current research. Thank you, Vox Day, for bringing this vial issue to our attention, and thank you, Conservative, for providing us with vital information, the full title of the book, in your post above. No doubt the world is a better place for you two having pointed out these obvious flaws in Richard Dawkins' memory/evolution. I can only hope that scientists can jump out of the way soon enough when the big, scary train of the Question Evolution campaign comes barreling down the tracks, headed for Truthville, and cuts right through Atheism Village and sets it all on fire and everyone dies. [[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 10:39, 18 February 2012 (EST)
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:So the article already covers Dawkins' ignorance and/or deceptiveness when it comes to theological/historical matters.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:07, 11 March 2019 (EDT)
  
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:Wouldn't this be an example of [[gotcha journalism]]? [[User:Ayzmo|Ayzmo :)]] 11:35, 18 February 2012 (EST)
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==The Selfish Gene==
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:::Vox Day wrote: "It's bad enough that Dawkins couldn't come up with the name of what he considers to be the most important book ever written immediately after claiming he could do so, but in addition to stumbling a little on the subtitle, he even forgot the rather important part of the title that refers to the actual mechanism supposedly responsible!"[http://voxday.blogspot.com/2012/02/richard-dawkins-sans-pants.html]  Second, the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 for evolutionist] show that no progress has been made advancing credible evidence for Darwinism. Third, the atheist population is chock-full of corrupt people who are often clearly second stringers and Richard Dawkins is a prime example of this.  See: [[Richard Dawkins and pseudoscience]] and [[Richard Dawkins, atheist atrocities, and historical revisionism]] and [[Richard Dawkins' commentary on Adolf Hitler]] and [[Atheism and cowardice]]. Plus, see: [[Richard Dawkins and Creation Ministries International]] and [[Atheism and mass murder]] and [[Atheism and morality]] and [[Atheism and deception]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:20, 19 February 2012 (EST)
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This article seems rather biassed to discussion of one book by Dawkins  - "The God Delusion". It could point out that his most famous book is probably [[The Selfish Gene]]. This book argues that the gene should be seen as the unit of natural selection. The article could point out that this book has been criticised by Rose, Lewontin and Kamin in their book "Not in Our Genes" for promoting genetic determinism. [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 12:22, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
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:The book The God Delusion sold about 3 times as many copies as The Selfish Gene (one sold over 3 million books and the other sold over 1 million copies). My guess is that as far as the free copies he is giving away in Arabic, etc. has The God Delusion being dowloaded more. [[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 13:40, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
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::Of course, sales of the Bible and Koran absolutely dwarf the sales of Dawkins' books. The only atheistic book which was published more than Dawkins' book was [[Mao Zedong]] 's Little Red Book (estimates ranging from 800 million to over 6.5 billion printed volumes) and that book was far, far more political than philosophical.[[User:Wikignome72|Wikignome72]] ([[User talk:Wikignome72|talk]]) 13:49, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
  
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::::Well, Conservative, first of all thank you so much for that very relevant and intelligent response. How could I forget the 15 questions for evolutionists, which we were totally talking about and are not irrelevant to this subject? I was under the impression that evolutionary biology had been improving and advancing for the last century and a half, I guess it's a good thing I have CMI around to set the record straight! And of course, even if there were some progress made, it can be safely ignored because atheists are "second stringers," which is totally a word people use outside of football. Tell me, Conservative, what other pieces of relevant wisdom do you have to share with us? Care to shoehorn feminism or obesity into the argument as well? Why not replace Dawkins' picture with a matador? Or a hundred matadors? ¡Ole ole ole! [[User:RachelW|RachelW]] 08:15, 19 February 2012 (EST)
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==Incoherent mess==
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What an incoherent mess this article is. It's hard to believe the page views are organic. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]</sup> 12:13, April 3, 2024 (EDT)
  
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I wonder where the creationist responses to the Evolutionist arguments are on the 15 Questions debate page... Seems they're still missing. User:Conservative, with your seemingly and suspiciously constant essays and commentary on evolution and atheism, I assume that you can easily respond to the Evolutionist answers personally - that means no quotes! - and if not, then it is you, sir, who is the inept fraud. I have given you plenty of time and my own patience, but you insist on either ignoring me or changing the subject. Prove to us that Evolution is the fraud that you so want us to believe. --[[User:RedGoliath|RedGoliath]] 13:54, 19 February 2012 (GMT)
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What is the point in mocking a person because they had a stroke? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Zelensky didn't kill himself'']]</sup> 13:11, April 3, 2024 (EDT)
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:::Richard Dawkins was called a clown in the press in 2011 and the [[Question evolution! campaign]] will further demonstrate the man is a clown. I do find it telling that Dawkins said "Oh, God" during the debate exchange (a debate exchange that he clearly lost and made a fool of himself in). It is not surprising Richard Dawkins ducked his debate with [[William Lane Craig]] (see: [[Atheism and cowardice]]. Plus, he initially denied debating Rabbi Boteach which is a videotaped debate the audience felt he lost. Plus, Dawkins claimed Boteach shrieked like Adolf Hitler during the debate. How could you possibly forget debating a rabbi which shrieked like Adolf Hitler which leads me to the conclusion that Richard Dawkins is a fraud and liar. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 11:15, 19 February 2012 (EST)
 

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Richard Dawkins stands by remarks on sexism, pedophilia, Down syndrome

Richard Dawkins stands by remarks on sexism, pedophilia, Down syndrome: http://www.religionnews.com/2014/11/18/richard-dawkins-stands-remarks-sexism-pedophilia-syndrome/

Use feminist quotes about Dawkins and women in the Feminist quotes about Richard Dawkins article. Conservative (talk) 00:50, 15 August 2016 (EDT)

Incorporate former prominent atheist turned deist Antony Flew's criticism of the God Delusion at Conservapedia

"Professor Anthony Flew (who at one time was quite possibly the most famous atheist academic in the world and who later actually abandoned his atheism to adopt theism due to recent advances in science) commented that “The fault of Dawkins as an academic…was his scandalous and apparently deliberate refusal to present the doctrine he appears to think he has refuted in its strongest form”.[1]

Richard Dawkins appears to be afraid of talking about Islam or Lawrence Krauss or the me too movement

Richard Dawkins appears to be afraid of talking about Islam or Lawrence Krauss or the me too movement.

See: ON RICHARD DAWKINS TELLING ME WHAT NOT TO ASK

I may transcribe some of the video.Conservative (talk) 23:53, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

Living People

Should there be a category "Living People" as there is in Wikipedia and this article be put in it?Carltonio (talk) 10:56, 8 March 2019 (EST)

I dunno; given how WP treats Donald Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Roger Stone. Jerome Corsi, Alex Jones or Tommy Robinson, what difference does it make? RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 11:32, 8 March 2019 (EST)
There's no use of a "living people" category for CP. It would be worthless, and we'd have to remove it every time someone dies. --1990'sguy (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2019 (EST)
WP (and by extension RW) has a catgory of living persons as an excuse to hide the sins of liberals. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 12:41, 8 March 2019 (EST)
  • Please forgive my ignorance, but what does RW stand for? Carltonio (talk) 16:42, 11 March 2019 (EDT)
Ratwiki, an alleged anti-pseudoscience site. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 17:24, 11 March 2019 (EDT)

I did a quick Google search for "Rat Wiki" just now (on Saint Patrick's Day, 2019) and the lead article I got was the Wikipedia article on the rat. Carltonio (talk) 14:05, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

CP doesn't allow anyone to use its full name, though your search results were superior to that other wiki. --1990'sguy (talk) 14:53, 17 March 2019 (EDT)
Of late, I've been following the strange case of the alleged pseudo-scientist Deepak Chopra whom PBS has recruited for fundraising. Odd, since PBS has led the pack in mocking alleged Creationist pseudoscience and fighting alleged global warming denier pseudoscience. WP & Ratwiki have been silent on this turn of events, where PBS now is, according to them, one of the biggest purveyors of pseudoscience on the planet. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:25, 17 March 2019 (EDT)
RobS, see: Irreligion and superstition. Atheism/agnosticism cause more societal pseudoscience and superstition and not less.Conservative (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

Article on Dawkins in Wikipedia

The article on Richard Dawkins in Wikipedia has a talk page saying that Richard Dawkins is very illiterate when it comes to knowledge of ancient history and Biblical texts. Carltonio (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2019 (EST)

The 7th paragraph of the Conservapedia Richard Dawkins article indicates: "In terms of the theism vs. agnosticism and atheism issue, Dawkins has shown himself to be rather ignorant in matters of philosophy and theology. For example, philosopher Dr. Michael Ruse declared concerning Dawkins' book The God Delusion: "The God Delusion makes me embarrassed to be an atheist."[9] The philosopher Antony Flew, who was one of the most prominent atheist academics in the world before adopting deism, said about Dawkins: “The fault of Dawkins as an academic…was his scandalous and apparently deliberate refusal to present the doctrine he appears to think he has refuted in its strongest form”.[10]."
Another paragraph in the article indicates: "As far as the the social science of history, Richard Dawkins has engaged in historical revisionism when it comes to the mass murders committed by atheists."
So the article already covers Dawkins' ignorance and/or deceptiveness when it comes to theological/historical matters.Conservative (talk) 18:07, 11 March 2019 (EDT)

The Selfish Gene

This article seems rather biassed to discussion of one book by Dawkins - "The God Delusion". It could point out that his most famous book is probably The Selfish Gene. This book argues that the gene should be seen as the unit of natural selection. The article could point out that this book has been criticised by Rose, Lewontin and Kamin in their book "Not in Our Genes" for promoting genetic determinism. Carltonio (talk) 12:22, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

The book The God Delusion sold about 3 times as many copies as The Selfish Gene (one sold over 3 million books and the other sold over 1 million copies). My guess is that as far as the free copies he is giving away in Arabic, etc. has The God Delusion being dowloaded more. Wikignome72 (talk) 13:40, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
Of course, sales of the Bible and Koran absolutely dwarf the sales of Dawkins' books. The only atheistic book which was published more than Dawkins' book was Mao Zedong 's Little Red Book (estimates ranging from 800 million to over 6.5 billion printed volumes) and that book was far, far more political than philosophical.Wikignome72 (talk) 13:49, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

Incoherent mess

What an incoherent mess this article is. It's hard to believe the page views are organic. RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 12:13, April 3, 2024 (EDT)

What is the point in mocking a person because they had a stroke? RobSZelensky didn't kill himself 13:11, April 3, 2024 (EDT)