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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_3J6Go5Ng This guy claims the persecution depicted in this movie "doesn't exist" and says the court cases actually "look bad with a little research." I'm sure the "research" he did may have inaccurate information especially if it comes from a "neutral" source. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 13:02, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_3J6Go5Ng This guy claims the persecution depicted in this movie "doesn't exist" and says the court cases actually "look bad with a little research." I'm sure the "research" he did may have inaccurate information especially if it comes from a "neutral" source. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 13:02, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
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:Like all atheist criticisms this was lacking in that it lacks perspective. A list of atheistic/agnostic movies (or movies criticizing religion) shows there were MANY that were bad and certainly not cinematic masterpieces as can be seen [https://www.imdb.com/list/ls076551036/ HERE].  
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:Like all atheist criticisms this was lacking in that it lacks perspective.  
  
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:In addition, the Bible teaches the sovereignty of God and indicates that God is a planner. In addition, it teaches history is unfolding the plan of God.  The Bible is a masterpiece of storytelling where the story is true/historical. Even the [[New Atheism|new atheist]] [[Richard Dawkins]] admits the Bible has had a positive aspect in terms of its literary contribution to Western culture.
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:Please see my article: [[Atheist films]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:36, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
  
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:Richard Dawkins wrote:
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::What I was mainly concerned with was the misrepresentations of the cases in the credits. For example, Lopez v. Candaele. He claimed that the issue with the professor was settled when Lopez talked to the dean and there was no reason for him to sue. But that was just the beginning, the professor, who infamously wrote "ask god what your grade is" on the evaluation paper, continued to torment Lopez throughout the semester and said that he was going to make it his mission to expel Lopez from the school. Badger Catholic v. Walsh was a case of making a policy to justify selectively funding liberal organizations but not faith-based ones and it WAS discriminatory, but Josh Keefe lied or repeated lies saying that they were equal non-funders. Christian Legal Society v. Russell was the same thing. Josh Keefe also misrepresents to cases dealing with LGBT and counseling as counselors "not doing their job." Homosexuality is a moral wrong, and organizations that force Christian counselors to affirm it are wrong for doing so, period. Josh Keefe is actually not an atheist, he claims to be a Christian. But on this route, he is on the way to becoming an atheist since he obviously values man's values over God's, and well as believing the words of non-believers over believers. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:12, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
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::For some reason the [[Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science]] (UK) was not approached for a donation in support of Michael Gove's plan to put a [[King James Bible]] in every state school. We would certainly have given it serious consideration, and if the trustees had not agreed I would gladly have contributed myself. In the event, it was left to "millionaire Conservative party donors".
 
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::I am a little shocked at the implication that not every school library already possesses a copy. Can that be true?...
 
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::[[Ecclesiastes]], in the 1611 translation, is one of the glories of English literature (I'm told it's pretty good in the original Hebrew, too). The whole King James Bible is littered with literary allusions, almost as many as [[William Shakespeare|Shakespeare]] (to quote that distinguished authority Anon, the trouble with Hamlet is it's so full of clichées). In ''[[The God Delusion]]'' I have a section called "Religious education as a part of literary culture" in which I list 129 biblical phrases which any cultivated English speaker will instantly recognise and many use without knowing their provenance: the salt of the earth; go the extra mile; I wash my hands of it; filthy lucre; through a glass darkly; wolf in sheep's clothing; hide your light under a bushel; no peace for the wicked; how are the mighty fallen.
 
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::A native speaker of English who has never read a word of the King James Bible is verging on the barbarian."[https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012/may/19/richard-dawkins-king-james-bible]
 
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:And the Bible is the world's best selling book of all time and continues to be so.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:16, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
 

Latest revision as of 15:12, March 18, 2020

Will someone fact check this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_3J6Go5Ng This guy claims the persecution depicted in this movie "doesn't exist" and says the court cases actually "look bad with a little research." I'm sure the "research" he did may have inaccurate information especially if it comes from a "neutral" source. Shobson20 (talk) 13:02, 17 March 2020 (EDT)

Like all atheist criticisms this was lacking in that it lacks perspective.
Please see my article: Atheist films.Conservative (talk) 01:36, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
What I was mainly concerned with was the misrepresentations of the cases in the credits. For example, Lopez v. Candaele. He claimed that the issue with the professor was settled when Lopez talked to the dean and there was no reason for him to sue. But that was just the beginning, the professor, who infamously wrote "ask god what your grade is" on the evaluation paper, continued to torment Lopez throughout the semester and said that he was going to make it his mission to expel Lopez from the school. Badger Catholic v. Walsh was a case of making a policy to justify selectively funding liberal organizations but not faith-based ones and it WAS discriminatory, but Josh Keefe lied or repeated lies saying that they were equal non-funders. Christian Legal Society v. Russell was the same thing. Josh Keefe also misrepresents to cases dealing with LGBT and counseling as counselors "not doing their job." Homosexuality is a moral wrong, and organizations that force Christian counselors to affirm it are wrong for doing so, period. Josh Keefe is actually not an atheist, he claims to be a Christian. But on this route, he is on the way to becoming an atheist since he obviously values man's values over God's, and well as believing the words of non-believers over believers. Shobson20 (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2020 (EDT)