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Carbon dating, or carbon-14 dating, is a method for comparing the ages of organic materials such as bones or things made from anything that once lived.
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'''Carbon dating''', or carbon-14 dating, is a method for comparing the ages of organic materials such as bones or artifacts made from anything that once lived.
  
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The technique is based on comparing the levels of <SUP>14</SUP>C and <SUP>12</SUP>C isotopes in the sample.  When the sample was living, the ratio of <SUP>14</SUP>C to <SUP>12</SUP>C in the material is the same as in the atmosphere.  But after death the <SUP>14</SUP>C isotope decays into N-14, while <SUP>12</SUP>C does not.  The loss in <SUP>14</SUP>C is then used to estimate how long ago the sample died, which is typically the same as how long the sample existed.
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Unlike many other radiometric dating methods, carbon dating has been purportedly calibrated for historical periods, but that calibration is based on often-undisclosed assumptions that far from scientific.
  
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The rate of decay of <SUP>14</SUP>C is such that 50% of the <SUP>14</SUP>C in the sample will decay in 5730 years: 50% of the <SUP>14</SUP>C in the sample is left, after  11460 years 25% will be left, after 17190 years 12.5% will be left, after 50,000 years only about 1/500th of the <SUP>14</SUP>C remains - and since even initially it is only present as a minute proportion of the whole (0.0000000001% of all Carbon atoms)<ref>http://www.enviroliteracy.org/article.php/1006.html</ref>, measuring the exact quantity present accurately enough to be of use for dating purposes is extremely difficult. For this reason, scientists do not generally attempt to carbon date material that is believed to be older than about 50,000-60,000 years old.
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Carbon dating has been performed on [[Bible|biblical]] artifacts such as the ''[[Dead Sea Scrolls]]'', and the results have included absurdities, widely conflicting dates, and estimated date ranges that are too broad to be useful. Even [[liberal]] [[Wikipedia]], a promoter of carbon dating, admits these flaws in dating the Dead Sea Scrolls.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dating_the_Dead_Sea_Scrolls</ref>
  
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[[Image:C-14decay.JPG|framed|The first-order decay curve of carbon-14 based on the half-life of 5730 years. Because of the small amount of <SUP>14</SUP>C remaining after 50,000 years, the rate of decay becomes small.]]
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== Principles ==
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[[Image:C-14decay.JPG|framed|The first-order decay curve of carbon-14 based on the half-life of 5730 years.]]
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The technique is based on comparing the levels of <SUP>14</SUP>C and <SUP>12</SUP>C [[isotope]]s in the sample.
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<sup>14</sup>C is produced in the atmosphere by [[cosmic ray]] [[neutron]]s replacing a [[proton]] in [[nitrogen]] (<sup>14</sup>N), producing <sup>14</sup>C.<ref name="TH">Higham, Thomas, [http://www.c14dating.com/int.html Introduction], Radiocarbon web-info.</ref>
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<sup>14</sup>C is unstable and [[radioactive decay|decays]] back to <sup>14</sup>N, at the rate of 50% every 5,730 years (so after 11,460 years 25% will be left, after 17,190 years 12.5% will be left, and so on).
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In the meantime, however, the <sup>14</sup>C will combine with [[oxygen]] in the atmosphere to form [[carbon dioxide]], which enters the food chain via [[photosynthesis]] in plants.<ref name="TH" />
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By this means, most living things also have <sup>14</sup>C and <sup>12</sup>C in the same ratio as in the atmosphere.
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This ratio is about one <sup>14</sup>C atom for every 1,000,000,000,000 <sup>12</sup>C atoms.<ref name="TH" />
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However, when the sample dies, it stops ingesting <sup>14</sup>C, so as the <sup>14</sup>C decays to <sup>14</sup>N, the ratio of <sup>14</sup>C and <sup>12</sup>C changes.
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This ratio of <sup>14</sup>C to <sup>12</sup>C is measured and a calculation turns the measurement into a figure representing how long ago the sample died.
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Depending on the method used to measure the <sup>14</sup>C, after about 50,000 years or so there is not enough left to measure, although advanced techniques can possibly stretch that to 100,000 years.<ref>Nave, R., [http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/cardat.html Carbon Dating], Georgia State University.</ref>
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This then becomes the maximum age that can theoretically be derived by this method.
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Therefore, any sample with too little <sup>14</sup>C to measure must, in theory, be older than 50,000 to 100,000 years, and it is not possible to determine how much older.
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Similarly, any sample with measurable <sup>14</sup>C must be younger than 50,000 to 100,000 years, assuming that adequate precautions have been taken to eliminate contamination.
  
 
== Limits of Carbon Dating ==
 
== Limits of Carbon Dating ==
  
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First, it had not been proven scientifically whether the rate of decay of <SUP>14</SUP>C has remained constant over hundreds or thousands of years: nor has it been proven that it has ''not'' remained constant. Some scientists have suggested, based on experimental observations, that the laws of physics do change over time.<ref>"The idea that nature's laws change over time was proposed in the 1930s by one of the titans in the history of physics, Paul Dirac of England. According to Dirac's large numbers hypothesis, the force of gravity changed over time." See Keay Davidson, "Recent study forces scientists to rethink basic law of physics," San Francisco ''Chronicle''[http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/05/09/MNG5LCLEU41.DTL]</ref> The "change" discussed here - in a study that is still very controversial - occurred over billions of years, though, and not in the near enough future to have had an effect on the utility of carbon dating (since carbon dating is only useful to date life within the past 50,000 years, only a change within 50,000 years would affect the dating method).
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Carbon dating, like other [[radiometric dating]] methods, requires certain assumptions that cannot be scientifically proved.
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These include the starting conditions, the constancy of the rate of decay, and that no material has left or entered the sample.
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=== Calibration ===
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Unlike other radiometric dating techniques where it is not possible to [[calibration|calibrate]] the method against historically-known dates, limited calibration is possible for carbon dating.
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That is, samples with dates known from historical records can be used to check the accuracy of the method.
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Despite this, however, caution is still necessary in accepting dates derived from carbon dating.
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Claims have been made of the method being calibrated back to 10,000 years using [[dendrochronology]],<ref name="TH" /> however these older dates derived via dendrochronology have themselves been derived with the assistance of carbon dating,<ref>Batten, Don, [http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/2441 Tree ring dating (dendrochronology)] (Creation Ministries International).</ref> making this circular reasoning.
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=== Variable intake ===
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Not all living things do have <sup>14</sup>C:<sup>12</sup>C ratios the same as the atmosphere. For example, it is well known that carbon dating cannot be used on many types of marine life due to reservoirs of "old" carbon held in sedimentary rocks. This problem is especially severe in shellfish or anything that eats shellfish; it is not unusual for freshly-killed seals to be dated as several thousand years old.
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{{QuoteBox|...various plants have differing abilities to exclude significant proportions of the C-14 in their intake. This varies with environmental conditions as well. The varying rates at which C-14 is excluded in plants also means that the apparent age of a living animal may be affected by an animal's diet.  An animal that ingested plants with  relatively low C-14 proportions would be dated older than their true age."<ref>Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Resource Center, [http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Radiography/Physics/carbondating.htm Carbon-14 Dating"]</ref>}}
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=== Atmospheric variability ===
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The method relies on the assumption that we know how much <sup>14</sup>C is in the atmosphere, but this has been known to change.
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Nuclear testing since the 1950s has resulted in a large increase in the amount of <sup>14</sup>C in the atmosphere, but because the levels have been measured since the 1950s, calculations can be adjusted for these changing levels, meaning that dating of recent samples is possible.<ref name="K12">Higham, Thomas? [http://www.c14dating.com/k12.html K-12] Radiocarbon web-info.</ref>
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However, atmospheric levels are also known to have changed since the start of the [[industrial revolution]], making dating items from this period more difficult.<ref name="K12" />
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Dating laboratories do not make any allowance for the change in atmospheric levels that would have occurred as a result of [[Great Flood|Noah's Flood]].
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This means that radio-carbon dates cannot be used to prove that the Flood did not occur, because it ''assumes'' that it did not occur.<ref>Batten, Don, (Ed.) [http://www.creationontheweb.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter4.pdf What about carbon dating?] Chapter 4 of the ''Creation Answers Book''.</ref>
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=== Solar-Earth effect ===
  
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Second, "various plants have differing abilities to exclude significant proportions of the C-14 in their intake. This varies with environmental conditions as well. The varying rates at which <SUP>14</SUP>C is excluded in plants also means that the apparent age of a living animal may be affected by an animal's diet. An animal that ingested plants with relatively low <SUP>14</SUP>C proportions would be dated older than their true age."<ref>Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Resource Center, "Uncertainty in Carbon Dating"[http://www.ndt-ed.org/EducationResources/CommunityCollege/Radiography/Physics/carbondating.htm]</ref>
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Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory and the Physikalish-Technische-Bundesandstalt in Germany have reported "unexplained periodic fluctuations in the [nuclear] decay rates of Si-32 and Ra-226... strongly correlated in time, not only with each other, but also with the distance between the Earth and the Sun." It is likely that similar discrepancies and fluctuations occur with other nuclear decay rates, such as that of <sup>14</sup>C. It remains for scientists to perform experiments to explore these emerging issues.<ref>[https://arxiv.org/abs/0808.3283 Evidence for Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance], Jenkins et al. Abstract: Unexplained periodic fluctuations in the decay rates of Si-32 and Ra-226 have been reported by groups at Brookhaven National Laboratory (Si-32), and at the Physikalisch-Technische-Bundesandstalt in Germany (Ra-226). We show from an analysis of the raw data in these experiments that the observed fluctuations are strongly correlated in time, not only with each other, but also with the distance between the Earth and the Sun. Some implications of these results are also discussed, including the suggestion that discrepancies in published half-life determinations for these and other nuclides may be attributable in part to differences in solar activity during the course of the various experiments, or to seasonal variations in fundamental constants.</ref>
  
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== Known Limits in Carbon Dating ==
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== History ==
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Carbon dating cannot give accurate numbers if the sample is younger than 150 years or older than 50,000 years. The inaccuracy for material younger than 150 years is ascribed to changes in the ratio of <SUP>14</SUP>C to <SUP>12</SUP>C in the atmosphere.<ref>http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011.html</ref>
 
  
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Since the half-life of <SUP>14</SUP>C is only 5715 years, after 50,000 years only about 1/500th of the <SUP>14</SUP>C remains - and since even initially it is only present as a minute proportion of the whole (0.0000000001% of all Carbon atoms), measuring the exact quantity present with precision enough to be of use for dating purposes is extremely difficult. For this reason, scientists do not generally attempt to carbon date material that is believed to be older than about 50,000-60,000 years old.  However, isotopes with longer half-lives may be used.
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Carbon Dating was developed by [[Willard F. Libby]] and his team of scientists at the [[University of Chicago]] in 1949.<ref name="TH" />
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They initially measured the 'half-life' (a term that Libby coined)<ref name="TH" /> as 5568±30 years, and this became known as the ''Libby half-life''.<ref name="TH" />
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It was later measured more accurately to be 5730±40 years, now known as the ''Cambridge half-life''.<ref name="TH" />
  
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Additional anomalous results from carbon dating, which reinforce its limitations, include the inability to date carbonate rocks, which by confound the science behind the dating technique.<ref>http://www.creationwiki.org/Carbon_dating</ref>
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== Widespread misunderstandings ==
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Many people believe that carbon dating has proved that the Earth is millions or billions of years old, much older than the biblically derived date of around 6,000 years. However, as explained above, carbon dating is incapable of providing dates in the range of millions or billions of years, and many scientists turn to [[Radiometric dating|other forms of dating]] to derive such extremely long time periods.
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Some also argue that carbon dating should only be used on samples that fall within the range over which it can measure.
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However, this prompts the question of how one might determine this prior to using carbon dating to determine the age.
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They further argue that dating much older items will result in anomalous dates, which might fall within the range that carbon dating can measure.
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This is incorrect.  Any sample that is older than the range that carbon dating will measure will record essentially zero <sup>14</sup>C, and can therefore not be confused with younger samples.
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==See also==
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*[[Martin Kamen]]
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*[[Willard Libby]]
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*[https://news.uchicago.edu/explainer/what-is-carbon-14-dating What is Carbon-14 dating? Explained by Univ. of Chicago]
  
 
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Latest revision as of 22:16, May 28, 2025

Carbon dating, or carbon-14 dating, is a method for comparing the ages of organic materials such as bones or artifacts made from anything that once lived.

Unlike many other radiometric dating methods, carbon dating has been purportedly calibrated for historical periods, but that calibration is based on often-undisclosed assumptions that far from scientific.

Carbon dating has been performed on biblical artifacts such as the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the results have included absurdities, widely conflicting dates, and estimated date ranges that are too broad to be useful. Even liberal Wikipedia, a promoter of carbon dating, admits these flaws in dating the Dead Sea Scrolls.[1]

Principles

The first-order decay curve of carbon-14 based on the half-life of 5730 years.

The technique is based on comparing the levels of 14C and 12C isotopes in the sample. 14C is produced in the atmosphere by cosmic ray neutrons replacing a proton in nitrogen (14N), producing 14C.[2]

14C is unstable and decays back to 14N, at the rate of 50% every 5,730 years (so after 11,460 years 25% will be left, after 17,190 years 12.5% will be left, and so on).

In the meantime, however, the 14C will combine with oxygen in the atmosphere to form carbon dioxide, which enters the food chain via photosynthesis in plants.[2] By this means, most living things also have 14C and 12C in the same ratio as in the atmosphere. This ratio is about one 14C atom for every 1,000,000,000,000 12C atoms.[2]

However, when the sample dies, it stops ingesting 14C, so as the 14C decays to 14N, the ratio of 14C and 12C changes. This ratio of 14C to 12C is measured and a calculation turns the measurement into a figure representing how long ago the sample died.

Depending on the method used to measure the 14C, after about 50,000 years or so there is not enough left to measure, although advanced techniques can possibly stretch that to 100,000 years.[3] This then becomes the maximum age that can theoretically be derived by this method.

Therefore, any sample with too little 14C to measure must, in theory, be older than 50,000 to 100,000 years, and it is not possible to determine how much older. Similarly, any sample with measurable 14C must be younger than 50,000 to 100,000 years, assuming that adequate precautions have been taken to eliminate contamination.

Limits of Carbon Dating

Carbon dating, like other radiometric dating methods, requires certain assumptions that cannot be scientifically proved. These include the starting conditions, the constancy of the rate of decay, and that no material has left or entered the sample.

Calibration

Unlike other radiometric dating techniques where it is not possible to calibrate the method against historically-known dates, limited calibration is possible for carbon dating. That is, samples with dates known from historical records can be used to check the accuracy of the method. Despite this, however, caution is still necessary in accepting dates derived from carbon dating.

Claims have been made of the method being calibrated back to 10,000 years using dendrochronology,[2] however these older dates derived via dendrochronology have themselves been derived with the assistance of carbon dating,[4] making this circular reasoning.

Variable intake

Not all living things do have 14C:12C ratios the same as the atmosphere. For example, it is well known that carbon dating cannot be used on many types of marine life due to reservoirs of "old" carbon held in sedimentary rocks. This problem is especially severe in shellfish or anything that eats shellfish; it is not unusual for freshly-killed seals to be dated as several thousand years old.

...various plants have differing abilities to exclude significant proportions of the C-14 in their intake. This varies with environmental conditions as well. The varying rates at which C-14 is excluded in plants also means that the apparent age of a living animal may be affected by an animal's diet. An animal that ingested plants with relatively low C-14 proportions would be dated older than their true age."[5]

Atmospheric variability

The method relies on the assumption that we know how much 14C is in the atmosphere, but this has been known to change. Nuclear testing since the 1950s has resulted in a large increase in the amount of 14C in the atmosphere, but because the levels have been measured since the 1950s, calculations can be adjusted for these changing levels, meaning that dating of recent samples is possible.[6]

However, atmospheric levels are also known to have changed since the start of the industrial revolution, making dating items from this period more difficult.[6]

Dating laboratories do not make any allowance for the change in atmospheric levels that would have occurred as a result of Noah's Flood. This means that radio-carbon dates cannot be used to prove that the Flood did not occur, because it assumes that it did not occur.[7]

Solar-Earth effect

Scientists at Brookhaven National Laboratory and the Physikalish-Technische-Bundesandstalt in Germany have reported "unexplained periodic fluctuations in the [nuclear] decay rates of Si-32 and Ra-226... strongly correlated in time, not only with each other, but also with the distance between the Earth and the Sun." It is likely that similar discrepancies and fluctuations occur with other nuclear decay rates, such as that of 14C. It remains for scientists to perform experiments to explore these emerging issues.[8]

History

Carbon Dating was developed by Willard F. Libby and his team of scientists at the University of Chicago in 1949.[2] They initially measured the 'half-life' (a term that Libby coined)[2] as 5568±30 years, and this became known as the Libby half-life.[2] It was later measured more accurately to be 5730±40 years, now known as the Cambridge half-life.[2]

Widespread misunderstandings

Many people believe that carbon dating has proved that the Earth is millions or billions of years old, much older than the biblically derived date of around 6,000 years. However, as explained above, carbon dating is incapable of providing dates in the range of millions or billions of years, and many scientists turn to other forms of dating to derive such extremely long time periods.

Some also argue that carbon dating should only be used on samples that fall within the range over which it can measure. However, this prompts the question of how one might determine this prior to using carbon dating to determine the age. They further argue that dating much older items will result in anomalous dates, which might fall within the range that carbon dating can measure. This is incorrect. Any sample that is older than the range that carbon dating will measure will record essentially zero 14C, and can therefore not be confused with younger samples.

See also

References

  1. ↑ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dating_the_Dead_Sea_Scrolls
  2. ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.7 Higham, Thomas, Introduction, Radiocarbon web-info.
  3. ↑ Nave, R., Carbon Dating, Georgia State University.
  4. ↑ Batten, Don, Tree ring dating (dendrochronology) (Creation Ministries International).
  5. ↑ Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Resource Center, Carbon-14 Dating"
  6. ↑ 6.0 6.1 Higham, Thomas? K-12 Radiocarbon web-info.
  7. ↑ Batten, Don, (Ed.) What about carbon dating? Chapter 4 of the Creation Answers Book.
  8. ↑ Evidence for Correlations Between Nuclear Decay Rates and Earth-Sun Distance, Jenkins et al. Abstract: Unexplained periodic fluctuations in the decay rates of Si-32 and Ra-226 have been reported by groups at Brookhaven National Laboratory (Si-32), and at the Physikalisch-Technische-Bundesandstalt in Germany (Ra-226). We show from an analysis of the raw data in these experiments that the observed fluctuations are strongly correlated in time, not only with each other, but also with the distance between the Earth and the Sun. Some implications of these results are also discussed, including the suggestion that discrepancies in published half-life determinations for these and other nuclides may be attributable in part to differences in solar activity during the course of the various experiments, or to seasonal variations in fundamental constants.