Talk:Essay:Teaching Closed-Mindedness

"illogical, atheistic viewpoints result in mental problems"

By this statement do you mean all atheist viewpoints, atheist viewpoints not arrived at through rational inquiry, or something other? Corry 16:30, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Atheistic viewpoints are illogical, full stop. If you cannot see this, then you have a certain problem with logic yourself, Corry. Bugler 16:32, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Easy now, no need to make personal attacks. I'm just asking if the statement means one thing or the other. Corry 16:36, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Based on the fact that the essay "Mystery:Do Liberal Teachings Cause Mental Illness?" was created eight days ago, I don't think it has gotten enough national traction yet for a central tenet of the "liberal agenda" to be denying "that illogical, atheistic viewpoints result in mental problems" when teaching public school children. Corry 16:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, really. Does an argument have to be a hundred years old to be valid? Come on, now. Bugler 16:48, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

This essay is about a supposed liberal agenda of "inculcating an attitude of closed-mindedness" and that denying "that illogical, atheistic viewpoints result in mental problems" is one of the "basic tools of teaching closed-mindedness." In order for a nationwide liberal conspiracy to implement a plan of systemically denying something, that something would reasonably have to possess more nationwide exposure and credibility than Aschlafly's essay, which was penned eight days ago. Corry 16:57, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Corry, that just shows that it has not been challenged up to now. To you, CP may be a growing online encyclopaedia. You may not realise the worth of Conservapedia and its founder, Andrew Schlafly, in combatting Liberal intolerance and distortion. Among its - and his - successes have been the exposing of 'Professor' Richard Dawkins and the Lenski so-called 'proof of evolution', and these latest articles are just further bricks in this impressive edifice of achievement. Bugler 17:05, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, if it hasn't been challenged yet, how can it be a central tenet of a liberal agenda? If said essay makes national headlines or by some other means influences popular thought and a liberal push against that thought follows, then you would have a point. As it stands, though, none of these things have happened, and hence it doesn't make sense to include this point in the essay. Corry 17:19, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

It didn't take long for a liberal (Corry) here to grasp for a conspiracy theory. Funny how liberals never accuse the same about Hillary Clinton (who complained about a "vast right-wing conspiracy") or Michael Moore (the ultimate conspiracy theorist).

It doesn't take a conspiracy to deny that illogical, atheistic viewpoints result in mental problems. Indeed, Corry seems to be denying it here all by himself.--Aschlafly 17:08, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Your essay very strongly implies a conspiracy by liberals to push certain ideas on kids- I don't have to grasp for a conspiracy theory when you invent one in an essay. And I don't think that the couple of people who have argued with you regarding your essay is enough to be any kind of liberal agenda, conspiracy, or whatever. Corry 17:19, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

The essay does not imply a "conspiracy" at all. Indeed, I'm going to add that as a point: accuse people who criticize you of being "conspiracy theorists." It's a common tactic by liberals to censor the other side. That does not imply they have a conspiracy to do so, but merely that such behavior flows from the belief system. Rest assured, there is no "conspiracy" to attend church either, even though tens of millions do so every week.--Aschlafly 17:58, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

You discuss the "liberal agenda." Doesn't a liberal agenda require coordination of more than one liberal? Wouldn't organization be required? And the church metaphor doesn't work- "conspiracy" implies something sinister, and I don't think that going to church is sinister at all. There is coordination, however- a bunch of people don't all randomly decide to show up at the same building at the same time with the common purpose if receiving communion, or morning prayers, or what have you. You, however, are implying that liberals are taking part in something that would require organization and coordination, and you obviously feel that the end is sinister. Corry 18:07, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Any evidence for atheism resulting in mental illness?

Is there any evidence / citation for the above comment? --BennettC 16:33, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Go to the page Mystery:Do Liberal Teachings Cause Mental Illness? and the matter should be explained to your satisfaction. Best wishes, Bugler 16:37, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I went there, and it doesn't really explain anything. Human 19:37, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Also I have always thought that liberalism and atheism is about open mindedness. For example, atheists do not blindly believe in whatever is written in a book compiled 1400 years ago. Instead he uses the enquiring mind to find the truth about the universe. --BennettC 16:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Atheistic minds are clamped firmly shut to the glory and wonderment of Creation. Bugler 16:50, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

BennettC, you've undoubtedly been taught that it is somehow open-minded to be liberal and insist on censorship of criticism, demonizing of conservatives, and learn to ridicule and name-call those who point out the lack of logic in liberal theories. Once you realize how closedminded liberal censorship is, you're taken the first step towards freedom and full mental health.--Aschlafly 17:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Is this to imply that liberals are mentally ill? Are you also implying that I am mentally ill? Corry 17:35, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

I think it a fair possibility. Why? Do you see people with mental illnesses as in some way inferior? We know that Liberals are keen on eugenics - perhaps you feel the same way about the physically ill as well. Oh, wait - you guys support abortion for all kinds of 'reasons'. Enough said. Bugler 17:40, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

You go too far. Accusing me of supporting eugenics is desperate and insulting. If you want to descend into such antics then there is no point of talking to you at all. Good day. Corry 17:44, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, one point in the essay is 'demonizing conservatives and misrepresenting their positions'. The above seems to be conservatives 'demonizing liberals and misrepresenting their positions'. Following this, by the points made by this very essay, this website teaches close-mindedness. As the Bible says, 'Judge not, lest ye be judged'. ANOther 17:51, 18 August 2008 (EDT)