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As with Balochistan, on what basis is Manchuria being called a country? It is not recognized as a sovereign state by any country on earth. [[User:FabioZ|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ|talk]]) 10:45, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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:Manchuria has a government in exile, including an administration, national symbols, embassies, ect. and was a country before the Soviet invasion. It is as much a country as Tibet or any other place conquered by the CPC. [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 11:53, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 
:Manchuria has a government in exile, including an administration, national symbols, embassies, ect. and was a country before the Soviet invasion. It is as much a country as Tibet or any other place conquered by the CPC. [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 11:53, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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::Doesn't make it a "country". Neither is Tibet. And before the Soviet invasion, Manchuria was a puppet state of Japan. [[User:FabioZ|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ|talk]]) 12:47, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 
 
:::Other areas with their own cultures that are controlled by the CCP are referred to as countries on this wiki.  In addition, a country being a puppet of another county does not negate its right to soverginity [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 
:::Other areas with their own cultures that are controlled by the CCP are referred to as countries on this wiki.  In addition, a country being a puppet of another county does not negate its right to soverginity [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (EST)
  
 
::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 
::::Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 
:::::I don't know.  I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify.  Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
 
:::::I don't know.  I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify.  Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.[[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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::::::"Manchukuo" comes from the Wade-Giles romanization of 滿洲國 (Man-chou-kuo, pinyin Mǎnzhōuguó). The first two characters mean "Manchu", and the last means "kingdom", "nation", or "country". [[User:FabioZ|FabioZ]] ([[User talk:FabioZ|talk]]) 15:29, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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:::::::That makes sense than.  To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.[[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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::::::Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out these maps [[https://www.loc.gov/resource/g7800.ct001989a/?r=-0.089,0.006,0.979,0.622,0]], [[https://tibettruth.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/1911map.pdf]],[[https://maps.nls.uk/view/101105755]].[[User:Bytemsbu|Bytemsbu]] ([[User talk:Bytemsbu|talk]]) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)
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I propose we leave the word country how it is.  Bytemsbu has provided a map from the time period before the occupation showing it as a country.  However, we should expand the article as it is very limited compared to [[manchukuo]] and [[qing]] both of which only talk about points in its history. [[User:JoeJN|JoeJN]] ([[User talk:JoeJN|JoeJN]]) 16:56, 5 January 2021 (EST)

Latest revision as of 17:53, January 8, 2021

Manchuria has a government in exile, including an administration, national symbols, embassies, ect. and was a country before the Soviet invasion. It is as much a country as Tibet or any other place conquered by the CPC. JoeJN (JoeJN) 11:53, 5 January 2021 (EST)
Other areas with their own cultures that are controlled by the CCP are referred to as countries on this wiki. In addition, a country being a puppet of another county does not negate its right to soverginity JoeJN (JoeJN) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (EST)
Why does the Manchurian govt-in-exile use the Japanese name Manchuko? Doesn't that invoke some bad memories? RobSFree Kyle! 14:08, 5 January 2021 (EST)
I don't know. I suppose it is not our choice to determine how they identify. Part if it is probably the way monarchal titles work.JoeJN (JoeJN) 14:22, 5 January 2021 (EST)
That makes sense than. To avoid further confusion, maybe you should include that in the article.JoeJN (JoeJN) 15:38, 5 January 2021 (EST)
Manchuria is definitely a country. Check out these maps [[1]], [[2]],[[3]].Bytemsbu (talk) 16:07, 5 January 2021 (EST)

I propose we leave the word country how it is. Bytemsbu has provided a map from the time period before the occupation showing it as a country. However, we should expand the article as it is very limited compared to manchukuo and qing both of which only talk about points in its history. JoeJN (JoeJN) 16:56, 5 January 2021 (EST)