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Talk:Joseph P. Kennedy, Sr. (view source)
Revision as of 22:42, August 28, 2009
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::::TK, based on RJ's response, I'm getting the idea that there's more to history than, "Are you, or are you not, a liberal?" Let's take advantage of Prof. Jensen's vast knowledge - and more importantly - his willingness to devote countless hours to this project. :-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::::TK, based on RJ's response, I'm getting the idea that there's more to history than, "Are you, or are you not, a liberal?" Let's take advantage of Prof. Jensen's vast knowledge - and more importantly - his willingness to devote countless hours to this project. :-) --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:55, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::On GOP racism in South issue, I think Dan Carter is quite wrong and I plan to wrote that up at length. Basically the GOP in the South is based on the white collar/business/better educated groups that are the least racist and the most hostile to Wallace. (Wallace was very bad for business.) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:59, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::On GOP racism in South issue, I think Dan Carter is quite wrong and I plan to wrote that up at length. Basically the GOP in the South is based on the white collar/business/better educated groups that are the least racist and the most hostile to Wallace. (Wallace was very bad for business.) [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:59, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:::RJJ, let's look at your writing, [[New_Deal#Relief.2C_Recovery.2C_and_Reform]] says,
::::'' "Liberal" no longer referred to classical liberalism but now meant a supporter of the New Deal; conservative meant an opponent.''
::::''[[New_Deal#Government_Role:_balance_labor.2C_business_and_farming]] : Reform was based on the assumption that the depression was caused by the inherent instability of the market and that government intervention was necessary to rationalize and stabilize the economy, and to balance the interests of farmers, business and labor. It included ...regulation of Wall Street (SEC, 1934)..."..
::::Comment: Joe Kennedy was the first head of [[SEC]]. So, as an opponent of the New Deal, in your words, as a conservative, Joe Kennedy was a New Deal reformer who beleived in govt. intervention in the market place. Again,
::::''[[Great_Depression#Causes]] : "Socialists tend to call it a failure of the free market system, while advocates of free markets blame the depression on government efforts to transform the U.S. economy into Socialism. The political realignment of the New Deal Coalition could take an anti-business tone because bankers were in bad odor in 1933 (just as they are in 2009). ...In historical terms, the "lessons" of the Great Depression have been applied to preventive measures, and in the Financial Crisis of 2008, helped determine what remedies to apply. ''
::::Comment: So was Joe Kennedy an advocate of the free market, or a socialist who claimed it was a failure of the free market system?
::::What I asked for above was primary source date, Jack, Bobby, Ted, JFK, even Tip O'Neill (''Man of the House'') to verify your claim. As to Doris Kearnes Goodwin, a Lyndon Johnson [[groupie]] ([[bimbo]] would be the Clintonian term) does not impress us, whatever academic credentials she may have. I demand primary source data.
::::The only argument you have is, he was an [[anti-Semite]], therefore he was [[conservative]]. [[User:RobSmith|Rob Smith]] 18:42, 28 August 2009 (EDT)