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:::::: The Bible claims to be written by God, but "ghost-written" by human authors.  In ''some'' cases, there is no certainty about who those human authors were, and when it comes to the Bible, some people will question the truth of every last point, so there will be those who question the human authorship of those parts where the authorship is not in doubt, but that doesn't all add up to it being "unattributed".
 
:::::: The Bible claims to be written by God, but "ghost-written" by human authors.  In ''some'' cases, there is no certainty about who those human authors were, and when it comes to the Bible, some people will question the truth of every last point, so there will be those who question the human authorship of those parts where the authorship is not in doubt, but that doesn't all add up to it being "unattributed".
 
:::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:07, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 
:::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 01:07, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
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::::::Again you are being difficult. I am obviously not a Biblical historian so why in the world are you giving me such a hard time about trying to recall the date of Genesis from memory? I remembered the 1000, so I thought 10th century. And all your arguing still doesn't change the meaning of my statement. And it's an insult to my intellegence to assume that I think you can physically look at the earth and see it's 4.54 Ga old. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 14:05, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
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:::::::Again you are being difficult. I am obviously not a Biblical historian so why in the world are you giving me such a hard time about trying to recall the date of Genesis from memory? I remembered the 1000, so I thought 10th century. And all your arguing still doesn't change the meaning of my statement. And it's an insult to my intellegence to assume that I think you can physically look at the earth and see it's 4.54 Ga old. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 14:05, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
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:::::::: As you are taking offence at some of my responses, I'll limit my response here to just your last point, by reminding you that I've had many people claim that the Earth simply ''looks'' old, so it was an understandable, even if incorrect, way to read your comments.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:24, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
    
First of all, Mr. Jazzman, I shall ask you to produce your "seemingly contrary evidence"--more on that word ''seemingly'' later on. I ask this to challenge you. But I am not challenging you to fight. I am merely challenging you to think, and think ''hard'', about the quality of what you take to be the evidence contrary to a young earth.
 
First of all, Mr. Jazzman, I shall ask you to produce your "seemingly contrary evidence"--more on that word ''seemingly'' later on. I ask this to challenge you. But I am not challenging you to fight. I am merely challenging you to think, and think ''hard'', about the quality of what you take to be the evidence contrary to a young earth.
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::::::I'm going to gracefully bow out before this just turns into an exercise in mud-slinging. Philip, you are interpreting what I say in whatever way suits your purposes, and frankly it's insulting to me. I have responses to all of your newest arguments, but I don't see why I should even bother, since you will just twist them around, or subtly change your own arguments. I talked to my dad last night (who was a Methodist minsister) and he finally answered the theology for me. I'm confident in my interpretation of the Bible and that's good enough for me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 14:05, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
 
::::::I'm going to gracefully bow out before this just turns into an exercise in mud-slinging. Philip, you are interpreting what I say in whatever way suits your purposes, and frankly it's insulting to me. I have responses to all of your newest arguments, but I don't see why I should even bother, since you will just twist them around, or subtly change your own arguments. I talked to my dad last night (who was a Methodist minsister) and he finally answered the theology for me. I'm confident in my interpretation of the Bible and that's good enough for me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] 14:05, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
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:::::::I'm sorry for any offence, but you are also offending me by claiming that my responses are not genuine ones.  And your comment about your father "finally answering" your theology question implies that I failed to do so, when I made an explicit attempt to answer that very question.  Furthermore, I try very hard to not indulge in mud-slinging.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 10:24, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
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