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This photo illustrates how American society and culture has changed since the World War II generation. The subjects in this photo were complete strangers. The male aggressors simply grabbed a female on the street and sexually assaulted her in public. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:35, November 27, 2021 (EST)

For example, the unwanted kissing by Gov. Cuomo was to people that he knew, at least. This was a random assault. The people and children of today are not being educated in the values of the World War II generation, neither soldiers, nurses, magazine editors and publishers, nor readers. Use of this photo today, in virtually any context without explanation or backstory that made it so popular, is virtually meaningless and false history. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:43, November 27, 2021 (EST)

Public displays of affection to the parents of baby boomers, as you can see by the reaction of bystanders, was shocking. Nowadays of course, if we were to see two gays or transgenders doing this in Times Square, we're not supposed to be shocked at all. I doubt very much that Antifa is carrying on the values of antifascists of that generation. Truth be told, if someone were to assault a woman like in this picture today, they'd end up being a registered sex offender. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 11:44, November 29, 2021 (EST)

More truth to be told: this is what occupation troops were doing in Germany to women for years afterward. See The FINAL TABOO of WORLD WAR II : The PLUNDER OF BERLIN. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 11:52, November 29, 2021 (EST)

My response

Read this: The Story Behind the Famous Kiss, U.S. Naval Academy website

Of the accounts I read, this one gave the most historically accurate account of what happened based on the circumstances (Which was a jubilant, drunken sailor who was extremely happy that the war was over and the gratitude he felt towards the nurses. He was also very happy he did not have to go to the war front again. Should he have kissed a stranger without her consent? Obviously not. But history is replete with people who let their emotions get the best of them - especially if they had been drinking. From a Christian point of view, he had no business getting drunk. But from what I understand, sailors do often get drunk as in "drunken sailor". This was a different era too - like before "Me too Movement". Many times people make the mistake of judging people by today's standards. Of course, ultimately it comes down to God's standards and kissing a lady without her consent is not the right thing to do.).

Well, people were amused by this assault. And these were the parents of baby boomers, who from about this moment on began having many children for the next decade (the birthrate dropped dramatically during the Great Depression and World War II). Meanwhile, occupation troops in Europe and elsewhere went on a non-stop rape epidemic for years against the women in occupied territories.

My overall point is, the truth behind this photo was deceptive to the American people then, and it is even more deceptive now without proper explanation. It was non-consensual, and males in uniform have no right to grab the first female they see and force themselves upon her. Whatever it is alleged to celebrate is sickening. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:02, November 29, 2021 (EST)

The above linked video says this:

"To commemorate the fall of Berlin at the center of the city just west of the Brandenburg Gate, and south of the Reichstag, is this monument to the Soviet Union and its conquering, not only of the city but of Germany itself. But for many, it is also a monument that celebrates the millions of children, girls, women, and elderly women that were raped by the Red Army in the name of liberation, and what is still in the U.S. referred to as 'the last just war'.... The fact that statues of President Abraham Lincoln have been removed in the United States, and that country continues its struggle sessions and its Maoist Revolution, in contrast that this memorial is still venerated on German soil tells you all you need to know about both people, but especially about the Germans who lost the war and seemingly lost their pride of spirit for what appears to be all time. ...only a people so broken intergenerationally could allow this monument to unspeakable crimes not only remain as a permanent reminder of their subjugation, but in fact, the Germans tend to this symbol of psychological trauma experienced by the nation in the early post-war years. In effect, Germans allow this effigy of their national humiliation looms large in their capital as well as in their psyche.

My point is, when older false narratives are proven false, there is no need or reason to cling to them. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:23, November 29, 2021 (EST)

My second response

Here is a book written by a women historian at a university and a description of the book:

• What Soldiers Do: Sex and the American GI in World War II France by the historian Mary Louise Roberts

"How do you convince men to charge across heavily mined beaches into deadly machine-gun fire? Do you appeal to their bonds with their fellow soldiers, their patriotism, their desire to end tyranny and mass murder? Certainly—but if you’re the US Army in 1944, you also try another tack: you dangle the lure of beautiful French women, waiting just on the other side of the wire, ready to reward their liberators in oh so many ways.

That’s not the picture of the Greatest Generation that we’ve been given, but it’s the one Mary Louise Roberts paints to devastating effect in What Soldiers Do. Drawing on an incredible range of sources, including news reports, propaganda and training materials, official planning documents, wartime diaries, and memoirs, Roberts tells the fascinating and troubling story of how the US military command systematically spread—and then exploited—the myth of French women as sexually experienced and available. The resulting chaos—ranging from flagrant public sex with prostitutes to outright rape and rampant venereal disease—horrified the war-weary and demoralized French population. The sexual predation, and the blithe response of the American military leadership, also caused serious friction between the two nations just as they were attempting to settle questions of long-term control over the liberated territories and the restoration of French sovereignty.

While never denying the achievement of D-Day, or the bravery of the soldiers who took part, What Soldiers Do reminds us that history is always more useful—and more interesting—when it is most honest, and when it goes beyond the burnished beauty of nostalgia to grapple with the real lives and real mistakes of the people who lived it."

Given the history of men and how they behaved in wars, it is hard to argue against this woman historian. It reminds me of what Winston Churchill said, "Capitalism is for sinners of which there are many. Socialism is for saints of which there are few." Human nature is fallen and sinful (see: Fall of man). That is the way the world is and not how many idealists want it to be.

When I read Genesis about how Lot got drunk and had sex with his daughters, I wasn't completely shocked. People do things like this when they are drunk. That is why the Bible says not to get drunk. Before I was a Christian, I met my first girlfriend when I was drunk and believe it or not we kissed. She was a willing participant though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Conservative (talk)

Graham Jackson shedding tears at news of FDR's death. The photo was widely circulated in Life magazine and interpreted to mean even Republicans cried at the death of FDR. It was later re-circulated in the 1960s to create the myth that African Americans were part, and beneficiaries of, the New Deal coalition. New Deal programs often specifically excluded Blacks by legislation passed by the Democrat Congress.

Wartime propaganda has been around forever. We need to be careful how we interpret it and use it today. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 13:45, November 29, 2021 (EST)

Graham Jackson, for example in the picture to the right, was said to be 'a personal friend" of FDR, and that's why he cried. Of course a personal friend can also be an acquaintance. They can also be a "man-Friday", steward, butler, or servent of a massa. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 14:05, November 29, 2021 (EST)